bobalinga

Just thought I'd update you all cos I'm bored.
We're nearly gone. Only another 7 days and we fly next Tuesday :-)
Unfortunately hubby wont be coming with us as his security clearance
for the new job hasn't come through yet. Hopefully it should be
through by the beginning of Feb. Fingers crossed as the baby is due
mid-February! I really don't want to be in labour without a man to
blame ;-)

the kids are a bit sad that we'll be spending Xmas without daddy but
luckily we're staying with friends so we wont be sat in an empty house
for too long. Poor hubby will be all alone Xmas and New Year. In
Virginia. Billy-No-Mates ;-)

The baby is a girl! Heather is very excited as she wants a baby sister
- Robin, she's ordered one like Jayne. Once we get back home I'll have
to think about baby things. Bought nothing so far. And names! I can't
even think of one!

Right, now you're all bored rigid I'll push off :-)

Shyrley

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In a message dated 12/9/03 3:11:16 PM, shyrley@... writes:

<< And names! I can't

even think of one!


<<Right, now you're all bored rigid I'll push off :-) >>

NOT boring!

I'm sorry your husband won't be there so soon, but I hope he's there before
you're in labor for sure. I had Holly in the absence of Keith (who was snowed
in in Denver, freeway and airport closed).

We could all toss you girl names if you want to be less bored!

Annie Mae (my grandmother, and Holly named her doll that while muttering
that I should have had another baby, and a girl too, so she could have a sister,
and name her Annie Mae)

Martha is hardly used anymore. It could be your Virginia baby-name, for
Martha Washington. My best friend when I was 9, 10, 11 was Martha Yordy.

Maybe when you see her you'll know her name and you don't need one in
advance. I hope the flight goes okay for you, and the rest of the pregnancy is
tolerable. Ask them for a seat belt extension!



Sandra

Nora or Devereaux Cannon

Martha is good - as is Virginia, also not much used anymore.
Nancy Astor has possibilities, given that she left Virginia for
England and the House of Commons as I recall.
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From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Nearly gone


|
| In a message dated 12/9/03 3:11:16 PM, shyrley@...
writes:
|
| << And names! I can't
|
| even think of one!
|
|
| <<Right, now you're all bored rigid I'll push off :-) >>
|
| NOT boring!
|
| I'm sorry your husband won't be there so soon, but I hope he's
there before
| you're in labor for sure. I had Holly in the absence of Keith
(who was snowed
| in in Denver, freeway and airport closed).
|
| We could all toss you girl names if you want to be less bored!
|
| Annie Mae (my grandmother, and Holly named her doll that
while muttering
| that I should have had another baby, and a girl too, so she
could have a sister,
| and name her Annie Mae)
|
| Martha is hardly used anymore. It could be your Virginia
baby-name, for
| Martha Washington. My best friend when I was 9, 10, 11 was
Martha Yordy.
|
| Maybe when you see her you'll know her name and you don't need
one in
| advance. I hope the flight goes okay for you, and the rest of
the pregnancy is
| tolerable. Ask them for a seat belt extension!
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|
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| Sandra
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Robyn Coburn

<<Unfortunately hubby wont be coming with us as his security clearance
for the new job hasn't come through yet. Hopefully it should be
through by the beginning of Feb. Fingers crossed as the baby is due
mid-February! I really don't want to be in labour without a man to
blame ;-)

the kids are a bit sad that we'll be spending Xmas without daddy but
luckily we're staying with friends so we wont be sat in an empty house
for too long. Poor hubby will be all alone Xmas and New Year. In
Virginia. Billy-No-Mates ;-)

The baby is a girl! Heather is very excited as she wants a baby sister
- Robin, she's ordered one like Jayne. Once we get back home I'll have
to think about baby things. Bought nothing so far. And names! I can't
even think of one!>>



I'm so happy to hear from you. What a shame about dh being stuck alone.

We chose Jayn's name a week before she was born, when a nurse made a chance
remark about James' name. We decided Ja for Ja-mes and yn for Rob-yn. We
chose Holly because we like it and so that she would have the same initials
as my dh James Harrison Coburn IV - since it is increasingly unlikely that
there will ever be a fifth. There has been a tradition in my family of the
middle name being Louise, but for some reason we just couldn't find a first
name we liked to go with it. My mother didn't mind. I have since thought
that if I had another girl I would like her to be Rose Louise - the same
initials as me.

Hope all goes well with your flight, and much love Heather.

Robyn L. Coburn






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[email protected]

<<In a message dated 12/9/2003 8:37:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:Ask them for a seat belt extension!
Sandra>>>
*****************************************************************************

Is that a real item? Never herd of it.

I love baby conversations and names. Every time we have a baby I go though
the three namer books I have. Takes me months! I normally make a list and then
when I have had enough I begin suggesting to my husband. We end up choosing a
letter for a beginning name and we start there. Our girl name took the
longest, Cassidy is what we named her.
For Nicholas we pulled Cassidy's middle name Nichole.

Sorry that you will be alone for Christmas. I wish I could think of
something brilliant to say but this email has been sitting in my face for a couple
hours and Im brain dead. Wishing you and your family the best. I'll be thinking
of you this Christmas, maybe even here typing if I know me. <G>
Laura


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Janet Gerla

--- In [email protected], "Robyn Coburn"
<dezigna@c...> wrote:
> <<Not a one of them knows that I would react with removal of
> privilidges if they started fooling around, so that's not going to
> cause them to hide what they are doing.>>
>
>Are you saying that you have these planned punishments of not being
allowed
> to drive, and being kept from college, but are keeping them secret
from your
> children? That doesn't seem to be a good way to foster trust. Have
you used
> punishments and coercion in the past as a way to enforce certain
behaviors?
> Hope they don't read this list - your secret may be out.
> Robyn L. Coburn

No, these aren't planned punishments... we don't use punishments per
say... someone asked what would happen if I found one of my children
was having sex and that was my response. And that would probably be
what I would do, I'm not really sure. Yes, sex is dangerous ... as a
matter of fact, when I donated blood two weeks ago they asked me all
sorts of questions about my sex life - one episode of sex in certain
circumstances makes my blood unsafe to donate. It can put me at risk
for serious life threatening diseases, which can spread through the
donation of blood. My dear friend who had sex three times ended up
with a lifetime of STD problems.

I have to admit that we are a family who has instilled these morals
in our children to the best of our ability - through example and
education, not coercion. They are free to learn about what the "other
side" teaches as well and come to their own decisions. For the most
part they have agreed with us - we do not coerce nor threaten nor
bribe. My one reaction to the question was in earnest... I don't know
what I'd do if I found one of my kids having sex, but it would be
similar to what I'd do if I found one playing Russian Roulette. I
would do everything in my power to stop it, because I feel that
strongly that sex can be dangerous, especially for vulnerable
teenagers. Of course it's dangerous for adults too, but that's why I
believe in and practice monogamy.

We are unschoolers. We have never "required" anything (except respect
for each other!) We don't have curricula or schedules ... our kids
choose all their own learning methods and subjects and tools. I have
always been a believer in real life learning. 17 years ago when I
started, I tried a curriculum - that lasted about a half a day.

We do go to church, and the kids are free to come or not, as they
choose. Until the oldest turned 19, he chose to come. At 19 he chose
to not come. That's his choice and there were no "parent imposed"
consequences. Soon after he moved out, into an apt, and within two
years graduated with a degree in INM and has a fabulous job in
Phoenix.

Maybe with sex I feel more stongly and impose a little more of my
beliefs, but I can't not do something I feel that strongly about. I
don't think minors should be having sex. (A lot of adults probably
shouldn't either!) But once the kids are "of age" it's their choice.
I wouldn't let a child beat up a sibling either. Or break windows...
I dunno, maybe because I have this "hangup" about sex being sacred
I'm not really an unshcooler. But I doubt it.

And I think respect means respecting oneself also.

Janet in MN

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In a message dated 12/9/03 8:58:17 PM, dezigna@... writes:

<< There has been a tradition in my family of the
middle name being Louise, but for some reason we just couldn't find a first
name we liked to go with it. >>

How about "Geez"???

Sandra

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In a message dated 12/9/2003 11:45:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, tpjg@...
writes:
My dear friend who had sex three times ended up
with a lifetime of STD problems
In their whole LIFE? Wow!

glena


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bobalinga

--- In [email protected], "Nora or Devereaux
Cannon" <dcannon@n...> wrote:
> Martha is good - as is Virginia, also not much used anymore.
> Nancy Astor has possibilities, given that she left Virginia for
> England and the House of Commons as I recall.

I quite like the name Virginia but I think it will bring back horrid
memories of intolerant people who stopped being friends cos my son
said a bad word!
Whihc is a pity cos giny is a nice shortening.

Shyrley

J. Stauffer

<<I think respect means respecting oneself also>>

Absolutely...Problem is you can't force respect. It can't be demanded, only
freely given.

Julie S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Gerla" <tpjg@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:06 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Exreme behavior


> --- In [email protected], "Robyn Coburn"
> <dezigna@c...> wrote:
> > <<Not a one of them knows that I would react with removal of
> > privilidges if they started fooling around, so that's not going to
> > cause them to hide what they are doing.>>
> >
> >Are you saying that you have these planned punishments of not being
> allowed
> > to drive, and being kept from college, but are keeping them secret
> from your
> > children? That doesn't seem to be a good way to foster trust. Have
> you used
> > punishments and coercion in the past as a way to enforce certain
> behaviors?
> > Hope they don't read this list - your secret may be out.
> > Robyn L. Coburn
>
> No, these aren't planned punishments... we don't use punishments per
> say... someone asked what would happen if I found one of my children
> was having sex and that was my response. And that would probably be
> what I would do, I'm not really sure. Yes, sex is dangerous ... as a
> matter of fact, when I donated blood two weeks ago they asked me all
> sorts of questions about my sex life - one episode of sex in certain
> circumstances makes my blood unsafe to donate. It can put me at risk
> for serious life threatening diseases, which can spread through the
> donation of blood. My dear friend who had sex three times ended up
> with a lifetime of STD problems.
>
> I have to admit that we are a family who has instilled these morals
> in our children to the best of our ability - through example and
> education, not coercion. They are free to learn about what the "other
> side" teaches as well and come to their own decisions. For the most
> part they have agreed with us - we do not coerce nor threaten nor
> bribe. My one reaction to the question was in earnest... I don't know
> what I'd do if I found one of my kids having sex, but it would be
> similar to what I'd do if I found one playing Russian Roulette. I
> would do everything in my power to stop it, because I feel that
> strongly that sex can be dangerous, especially for vulnerable
> teenagers. Of course it's dangerous for adults too, but that's why I
> believe in and practice monogamy.
>
> We are unschoolers. We have never "required" anything (except respect
> for each other!) We don't have curricula or schedules ... our kids
> choose all their own learning methods and subjects and tools. I have
> always been a believer in real life learning. 17 years ago when I
> started, I tried a curriculum - that lasted about a half a day.
>
> We do go to church, and the kids are free to come or not, as they
> choose. Until the oldest turned 19, he chose to come. At 19 he chose
> to not come. That's his choice and there were no "parent imposed"
> consequences. Soon after he moved out, into an apt, and within two
> years graduated with a degree in INM and has a fabulous job in
> Phoenix.
>
> Maybe with sex I feel more stongly and impose a little more of my
> beliefs, but I can't not do something I feel that strongly about. I
> don't think minors should be having sex. (A lot of adults probably
> shouldn't either!) But once the kids are "of age" it's their choice.
> I wouldn't let a child beat up a sibling either. Or break windows...
> I dunno, maybe because I have this "hangup" about sex being sacred
> I'm not really an unshcooler. But I doubt it.
>
> And I think respect means respecting oneself also.
>
> Janet in MN
>
>
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Tia Leschke

>
>I quite like the name Virginia but I think it will bring back horrid
>memories of intolerant people who stopped being friends cos my son
>said a bad word!

Here's a going away present for you, Shirley. Google on "a miserable failure".
Tia

bobalinga

--- In [email protected], Tia Leschke
<leschke@s...> wrote:
>
> >
> >I quite like the name Virginia but I think it will bring back horrid
> >memories of intolerant people who stopped being friends cos my son
> >said a bad word!
>
> Here's a going away present for you, Shirley. Google on "a miserable
failure".
> Tia

Har har har


Shyrley

Wife2Vegman

--- rubyprincesstsg@... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/9/2003 11:45:45 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, tpjg@...
> writes:
> My dear friend who had sex three times ended up
> with a lifetime of STD problems
> In their whole LIFE? Wow!
>
> glena


I know one boy who had sex for the very first time and
got the clap, got it cured, believed the girl when she
said he got it from athlete's foot or a public toilet
seat, had sex with her again, and got it again!

It really only takes once to become terminally ill
with HIV or chronically ill with herpes or syphilis,
or even just very ill with the clap or yeast
infections.

Not supplying correct information, and if need be,
correct protection, increases those chances.

wifetovegman


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--- In [email protected], "bobalinga"
<shyrley@e...> wrote:
>> I quite like the name Virginia but I think it will bring back
horrid memories of intolerant people who stopped being friends cos
my son said a bad word! Whihc is a pity cos giny is a nice
shortening. > >

I think you should *not* let it get to you; why let smthg like
that ruin a perfectly good name for you? If you do, then you're
letting them win. And, anyone, who ends a friendship merely because
your son said a bad word, is not the kind of person you need for a
friend, anyway.


-Shay

Betsy

**Whihc is a pity cos giny is a nice shortening.**


Maybe Genevieve, Ginevra or Ginger? Guinevere?

(My mom is a Ginny/Virginia, and I like Ginny Weasley in Harry P.)

Betsy

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In a message dated 12/10/2003 5:13:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wifetovegman2002@... writes:
I know one boy who had sex for the very first time and
got the clap, got it cured, believed the girl when she
said he got it from athlete's foot or a public toilet
seat, had sex with her again, and got it again




I wasn't doubting that they caught something from having sex only three
times. I was rather tongue in check thinking "wow" only had sex three times in
their life! That seems like some kind of punishment in and of itself, maybe
not...

glena


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Robyn Coburn

<<I wasn't doubting that they caught something from having sex only three
times. I was rather tongue in check thinking "wow" only had sex three times
in
their life! That seems like some kind of punishment in and of itself, maybe

not...>>



That reminds me of "The Meaning of Life", when the Protestant husband was
informing his wife that their Catholic neighbors were not supposed to use
contraception, in order to beget a child with every intercourse. Then his
wife says, "But we have two children".



Robyn L. Coburn






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Wife2Vegman

--- rubyprincesstsg@... wrote:
>
>
> I wasn't doubting that they caught something from
> having sex only three
> times. I was rather tongue in check thinking "wow"
> only had sex three times in
> their life! That seems like some kind of punishment
> in and of itself, maybe
> not...
>
> glena

Oh! HAHAHA! Well, I suppose it depends on how good
it was as to whether it was a punishment or not. ;-)



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of our decisions on the next seven generations" -- The
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--- In [email protected], "Shay" <shaysea@h...> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "bobalinga"
> <shyrley@e...> wrote:
> >> I quite like the name Virginia but I think it will bring back
> horrid memories of intolerant people who stopped being friends cos
> my son said a bad word! Whihc is a pity cos giny is a nice
> shortening. > >
>
> I think you should *not* let it get to you; why let smthg like
> that ruin a perfectly good name for you? If you do, then you're
> letting them win. And, anyone, who ends a friendship merely because
> your son said a bad word, is not the kind of person you need for a
> friend, anyway.
>
>
> -Shay

True. Its something I need to work through. I'll probably feel more
forgiving and less hurt when I'm settled back home. DH tells me I
shouldn't bear grudges ;-)

As for names, Heather, with a bit of a plant theme, has come up with
Holly, Rowan, Ivy and Ash.
Dunno. I am so terrible at naming things. Rhodri wasn't named for 2
weeks after he was born. Baby's should come with labels on!

Shyrley the bad punctuator

Tia Leschke

>
>As for names, Heather, with a bit of a plant theme, has come up with
>Holly, Rowan, Ivy and Ash.

Daisy, Violet, Iris? <g>
Tia

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In a message dated 12/11/03 10:46:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley@... writes:
> I am so terrible at naming things. Rhodri wasn't named for 2
> weeks after he was born.

Instead of saying that you're terrible at naming things, maybe you can say
you're good at being with things until they reveal their names to you?

Peace,
Amy


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Julie Solich

> >As for names, Heather, with a bit of a plant theme, has come up with
Holly, Rowan, Ivy and Ash.>>

> Daisy, Violet, Iris? <g>
Tia

Buttercup? LillyPilly? <g>

Julie



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On Dec 11, 2003, at 8:05 AM, Tia Leschke wrote:

>>
>> As for names, Heather, with a bit of a plant theme, has come up with
>> Holly, Rowan, Ivy and Ash.
>
> Daisy, Violet, Iris? <g>

Rosemary?
Sage?

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--- In [email protected], "bobalinga"
<shyrley@e...> wrote:
> > As for names, Heather, with a bit of a plant theme, has come up
with Holly, Rowan, Ivy and Ash.>>

Those are fun. I'm sure there are tons more "plant" and flower
names, too. Enough to make it too many choices??

> Dunno. I am so terrible at naming things. Rhodri wasn't named for 2
> weeks after he was born.>>

But that's a name worth waiting for. So what did you call him in
the meantime? When I was PG w/#2, #1 wanted to name the baby. She
had a whole lineup of original names: stupid train, stupid
lightpost, stupid ___ (fill in the blank with any non-sentient
object). I nixed them all. Finally, she offered "Shoo lie lou," from
a song. We agreed to call #2 that until birth, when we'd see who it
was, and then decide on a permanent name. Funny: after the birth,
the midwife was filling out the birth record papers and asked how we
spelled shoo lie lou. She thought that's what we were calling the
baby for real! Said she'd heard plenty more unusual. :-)


-Shay

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I once knew a young mom of one son whose name was Ginger. She said she
longed for a daughter she could name Cinnamon.

shaysea@... writes:


> --- In [email protected], "bobalinga"
> <shyrley@e...> wrote:
> > > As for names, Heather, with a bit of a plant theme, has come up
> with Holly, Rowan, Ivy and Ash.>>
>
> Those are fun. I'm sure there are tons more "plant" and flower
> names, too. Enough to make it too many choices??
>
> > Dunno. I am so terrible at naming things. Rhodri wasn't named for 2
> > weeks after he was born.>>
>



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In a message dated 12/12/03 7:02:45 AM, jrossedd@... writes:

<< I once knew a young mom of one son whose name was Ginger. She said
she
longed for a daughter she could name Cinnamon.
>>

Or Posh! or Scary!

(Sorry. <g>)

Cinnamon would be a cool name. It's just Shyrley's going back to England and
they have that Spice Girls obstacle...

Sandra

Regina Stevenson-Healy

On Friday, December 12, 2003, at 08:57 AM, jrossedd@... wrote:

>   I once knew a young mom of one son whose name was Ginger. She said
> she
> longed for a daughter she could name Cinnamon.
>
Oh, a neighbor girl is named Cinnamon. She is African-American and is
actually the color of cinnamon. My vote for a name is Elizabeth Grace.
My great grandmothers were named Elizabeth and Grace and that is what
I always wanted to name a baby girl. We ended up naming our daughter
Spring Rose and the next one John.

Regina


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Stepheny Cappel

Ok flowers are great. I knew a woman named Amarylis... only it was said A Mary lis

not Am ar ylis...... Wisteria is a very wishful name too. Stepheny

***Marigold?***

I snorted coffee up my nose.

Gentian?
Laurel?
Wyethia?

Deb L


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zenmomma2kids

>>As for names, Heather, with a bit of a plant theme, has come up with
Holly, Rowan, Ivy and Ash.>>
>
> > Daisy, Violet, Iris? <g>
> Tia
>
> Buttercup? LillyPilly? <g>
>
> Julie


Marigold?

Life is good.
~Mary (Gold)

Deborah Lewis

***Marigold?***

I snorted coffee up my nose.

Gentian?
Laurel?
Wyethia?

Deb L