tracts
[email protected]
WHY someone would
want to give a kid a "God Loves You" tract on Halloween.
I'm wondering, and why not? It is another opportunity for Christians to
share the love of Jesus with others. My son got a few of those. He looked at
them, asked me the same question you asked. I answered what I said above. He
said okay, and threw it away. That was his choice, and besides, what else was
he going to do with it? I look at it this way. If we are willing to go to
other people's houses and expect them to give us candy, if in their own homes
they want to attach a tract and give it out with the candy, who am I to judge?
It's no different than tying a yellow ribbon around the old oak tree. We can't
expect people to repect our values as unschoolers or republicans or democrats
or independents or I don't care either which ways if we are not mutually
respectful.
Carol
want to give a kid a "God Loves You" tract on Halloween.
I'm wondering, and why not? It is another opportunity for Christians to
share the love of Jesus with others. My son got a few of those. He looked at
them, asked me the same question you asked. I answered what I said above. He
said okay, and threw it away. That was his choice, and besides, what else was
he going to do with it? I look at it this way. If we are willing to go to
other people's houses and expect them to give us candy, if in their own homes
they want to attach a tract and give it out with the candy, who am I to judge?
It's no different than tying a yellow ribbon around the old oak tree. We can't
expect people to repect our values as unschoolers or republicans or democrats
or independents or I don't care either which ways if we are not mutually
respectful.
Carol
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/3/03 5:04:49 AM, Halo5964@... writes:
<< My son got a few of those. He looked at
them, asked me the same question you asked. I answered what I said above.
He
said okay, and threw it away. That was his choice, and besides, what else
was
he going to do with it? >>
SEND THEM TO ME!!!
I love those. I used to pass them out when I was younger and the fervor was
upon me, and I like to see the variety. Holly got one last year, and Kelly
Lovejoy sent me a good one, a little comic book.
If they're still in the trash and you can retrieve them, or if any of you are
not packrats and will eventually throw them away (if you got any) please send
them to me:
2905 Tahiti Ct. NE, Albuquerque NM 87112
(I love Christmas cards too, so if you have an extra of those when the time
comes...)
Sandra
<< My son got a few of those. He looked at
them, asked me the same question you asked. I answered what I said above.
He
said okay, and threw it away. That was his choice, and besides, what else
was
he going to do with it? >>
SEND THEM TO ME!!!
I love those. I used to pass them out when I was younger and the fervor was
upon me, and I like to see the variety. Holly got one last year, and Kelly
Lovejoy sent me a good one, a little comic book.
If they're still in the trash and you can retrieve them, or if any of you are
not packrats and will eventually throw them away (if you got any) please send
them to me:
2905 Tahiti Ct. NE, Albuquerque NM 87112
(I love Christmas cards too, so if you have an extra of those when the time
comes...)
Sandra
zenmomma2kids
>>I look at it this way. If we are willing to go to other people'shouses and expect them to give us candy, if in their own homes they
want to attach a tract and give it out with the candy, who am I to
judge?>>
I wasn't judging, just explaining it to my kids. Do you think they'd
judge me for giving their kids a "Get out of hell free" card?
Life is good.
~Mary, recovered teen born-again who actually handed out "Jesus Loves
You" buttons one Halloween
pam sorooshian
On Nov 3, 2003, at 3:16 AM, Halo5964@... wrote:
all respectful - the people giving out the tracts as halloween
"treats" don't know or care what the children's parents believe or want
said to a kid - they don't know and they don't care. Why should that be
respected?
Child evangelism is a big thing around here - but it is extremely
offensive, in my opinion.
It has far more potential, imo, to turn children away from organized
religion, in general, then to make any long-term converts. Seeing
so-called religious people behave in such inconsiderate ways - imposing
themselves in inappropriate places and appealing to other people's
young children - that doesn't make any kind of good impression on the
more thoughtful kids I've known, including my own.
To hand out such tracts is just downright unneighborly.
-pam
> We can't expect people to repect our values as unschoolers orTrying to influenced some else's children's religious beliefs is not at
> republicans or democrats
> or independents or I don't care either which ways if we are not
> mutually respectful.
all respectful - the people giving out the tracts as halloween
"treats" don't know or care what the children's parents believe or want
said to a kid - they don't know and they don't care. Why should that be
respected?
Child evangelism is a big thing around here - but it is extremely
offensive, in my opinion.
It has far more potential, imo, to turn children away from organized
religion, in general, then to make any long-term converts. Seeing
so-called religious people behave in such inconsiderate ways - imposing
themselves in inappropriate places and appealing to other people's
young children - that doesn't make any kind of good impression on the
more thoughtful kids I've known, including my own.
To hand out such tracts is just downright unneighborly.
-pam
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/3/03 11:58:25 AM, pamsoroosh@... writes:
<< Trying to influenced some else's children's religious beliefs is not at
all respectful >>
It is if they honestly believe there's a hell your poor kids could go to if
they don't accept Jesus. They're not trying to be disrespectful; they're
trying to save souls.
<<the people giving out the tracts as halloween
"treats" don't know or care what the children's parents believe or want
said to a kid - they don't know and they don't care. Why should that be
respected?
but I understand (having grown up amongst them) that they don't intend to be
rude at all.
"Mutual respect" can't happen when one side thinks the other side are agents
of Satan.
Sandra
<< Trying to influenced some else's children's religious beliefs is not at
all respectful >>
It is if they honestly believe there's a hell your poor kids could go to if
they don't accept Jesus. They're not trying to be disrespectful; they're
trying to save souls.
<<the people giving out the tracts as halloween
"treats" don't know or care what the children's parents believe or want
said to a kid - they don't know and they don't care. Why should that be
respected?
>>I understand that. I don't respect the actual thoughts of fundamentalists,
but I understand (having grown up amongst them) that they don't intend to be
rude at all.
"Mutual respect" can't happen when one side thinks the other side are agents
of Satan.
Sandra
[email protected]
the people giving out the tracts as halloween
"treats" don't know or care what the children's parents believe or want
said to a kid - they don't know and they don't care
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I noticed little booklets in my kids' candy bag. They were awfully excited
to pull them out and show them to me... I braced myself for the explanation
that I would have to pull out of you know where for this... they were Halloween
maze/puzzle books!
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The
latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to
hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." ~ Albert
Einstein
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"treats" don't know or care what the children's parents believe or want
said to a kid - they don't know and they don't care
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I noticed little booklets in my kids' candy bag. They were awfully excited
to pull them out and show them to me... I braced myself for the explanation
that I would have to pull out of you know where for this... they were Halloween
maze/puzzle books!
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The
latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to
hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." ~ Albert
Einstein
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/3/2003 1:58:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
Seeing
so-called religious people behave in such inconsiderate ways - imposing
themselves in inappropriate places and appealing to other people's
young children - that doesn't make any kind of good impression on the
more thoughtful kids I've known, including my own.
To hand out such tracts is just downright unneighborly.
*****************************************
At a restaurant I worked at, this smug Christian family would come in and
give me a tract and a 1.00 tip (on about a 25.00 meal). These people were so
ignorant. I so wanted to say, "Keep your damn tract and your measly 1.00 tip.
The pagan at the other table just gave me a $5.00!" Never did though...didn't
want to lose my job :o(
And I absolutely hated working Sunday morning, after the Church crowd came
in. The tips were the worse and the people were the most rude out of the entire
week. The drunks that came in Friday and Saturday nights were kinder than
the Church people. I hate to sound like I'm stereotyping, but the same thing
happens to my daughter who now waits tables. She dreads Sunday afternoons.
Nancy B. in WV
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
Seeing
so-called religious people behave in such inconsiderate ways - imposing
themselves in inappropriate places and appealing to other people's
young children - that doesn't make any kind of good impression on the
more thoughtful kids I've known, including my own.
To hand out such tracts is just downright unneighborly.
*****************************************
At a restaurant I worked at, this smug Christian family would come in and
give me a tract and a 1.00 tip (on about a 25.00 meal). These people were so
ignorant. I so wanted to say, "Keep your damn tract and your measly 1.00 tip.
The pagan at the other table just gave me a $5.00!" Never did though...didn't
want to lose my job :o(
And I absolutely hated working Sunday morning, after the Church crowd came
in. The tips were the worse and the people were the most rude out of the entire
week. The drunks that came in Friday and Saturday nights were kinder than
the Church people. I hate to sound like I'm stereotyping, but the same thing
happens to my daughter who now waits tables. She dreads Sunday afternoons.
Nancy B. in WV
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/3/03 10:16:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Kelly
Lovejoy sent me a good one, a little comic book.
collects them too.. they are just about the most cheesy, outlandish things ever..
We didnt get any tracts this year, and we even went to a church sponsored Trunk
or Treat..
Teresa
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SandraDodd@... writes:
Kelly
Lovejoy sent me a good one, a little comic book.
>>>Was that one a "Chick tract"? Those are notorious around here.. Landon
collects them too.. they are just about the most cheesy, outlandish things ever..
We didnt get any tracts this year, and we even went to a church sponsored Trunk
or Treat..
Teresa
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/3/03 8:19:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CelticFrau@... writes:
And I absolutely hated working Sunday morning, after the Church crowd came
in. The tips were the worse and the people were the most rude out of the
entire
week.
most churches are full of them
Teresa
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CelticFrau@... writes:
And I absolutely hated working Sunday morning, after the Church crowd came
in. The tips were the worse and the people were the most rude out of the
entire
week.
>>>>Those folks were not Christians, they were hypocrites. I know the type..
most churches are full of them
Teresa
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/3/03 7:23:47 PM, TeresaBnNC@... writes:
<< Was that one a "Chick tract"? >>
Yes! Called "Bewitched?"
<< Was that one a "Chick tract"? >>
Yes! Called "Bewitched?"
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/3/03 10:48:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< Was that one a "Chick tract"? >>
Yes! Called "Bewitched?"
<<<
Yep, all of this Chick tracts are like comic books.. . If I run across any
more, I will send them to you.
Teresa
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SandraDodd@... writes:
<< Was that one a "Chick tract"? >>
Yes! Called "Bewitched?"
<<<
Yep, all of this Chick tracts are like comic books.. . If I run across any
more, I will send them to you.
Teresa
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/3/2003 8:23:50 PM Central Standard Time,
TeresaBnNC@... writes:
Trunk
or Treat
I saw that on a church sign. What does it MEAN????
Tuck
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TeresaBnNC@... writes:
Trunk
or Treat
I saw that on a church sign. What does it MEAN????
Tuck
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/4/03 10:02:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:
I saw that on a church sign. What does it MEAN????
Tuck
members come out to the church parking lot and decorate up thier car trunks, truck
beds, hatch backs, whatever.. Folks dress up and hand out candy.. It's so much
easier than going door to door.. Kids come from all over town ( not just
church members) and they trick or treat around the trunks..There are usually games
and a hot dog supper too. Most "mainstream" Baptists, Methodists,
Presbyterians, Lutherans are not against "Halloween" per se (in this area) It's just
the extreme fundies that think its "Satans Holiday".. Just about every church
around here does something for Halloween, it may be a Fall Festival or Trunk
or Treat.. I have had most of my "Halloween Fun" at church functions..
Teresa
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tuckervill2@... writes:
I saw that on a church sign. What does it MEAN????
Tuck
>>>>LOL... its a big thing here down South.. Churches have trunk or treat,
members come out to the church parking lot and decorate up thier car trunks, truck
beds, hatch backs, whatever.. Folks dress up and hand out candy.. It's so much
easier than going door to door.. Kids come from all over town ( not just
church members) and they trick or treat around the trunks..There are usually games
and a hot dog supper too. Most "mainstream" Baptists, Methodists,
Presbyterians, Lutherans are not against "Halloween" per se (in this area) It's just
the extreme fundies that think its "Satans Holiday".. Just about every church
around here does something for Halloween, it may be a Fall Festival or Trunk
or Treat.. I have had most of my "Halloween Fun" at church functions..
Teresa
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kayb85
--- In [email protected], tuckervill2@a... wrote:
and put candy in them. Trick or treaters go from trunk to trunk.
Sheila
> In a message dated 11/3/2003 8:23:50 PM Central Standard Time,I think church members park in the parking lot, open their trunks,
> TeresaBnNC@a... writes:
> Trunk
> or Treat
>
>
> I saw that on a church sign. What does it MEAN????
>
> Tuck
and put candy in them. Trick or treaters go from trunk to trunk.
Sheila
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/4/03 8:02:38 AM, tuckervill2@... writes:
<< I saw that on a church sign. What does it MEAN???? >>
A kid at the gaming shop told Kirby and another employee that the church
members park in the church parking lot, and give candy out of the trunks of the
cars. Kids go from car to car and I think some are decorated and the people
might be in costume?? (Not sure.)
Sandra
<< I saw that on a church sign. What does it MEAN???? >>
A kid at the gaming shop told Kirby and another employee that the church
members park in the church parking lot, and give candy out of the trunks of the
cars. Kids go from car to car and I think some are decorated and the people
might be in costume?? (Not sure.)
Sandra
[email protected]
Teresa sent me a link to the chick tract site.
OH MY GOSH!!
It's both frightening and funny.
From their page on Catholicism, some of the most blatantly bogus "history"
I've ever seen:
<<Didn't Christianity consist of the Catholic Church for the first 1500 years?
<<No. While the Catholic Church was seeking to control the world through
religion, true Christians were running for their lives from the Catholic holocaust
that ran for centuries.
<<God has always had His people, faithful to Him and His Word. They had no
part in the Roman Catholic Church. Through much of history, organized religion
has hunted and slaughtered God's people. For an excellent overview of this,
read the classic work, "The Trail of Blood," at one of these websites: xx>>
[and they give two, and I'll go look, but one only has to know the history of
the publication of the Bible to know that God did NOT always have "his
people" and there was no Baptist church going back to the time of Christ. ]
and from that same page, an answer to the complaint Pam S. made about people
"witnessing" to other people's kids, though this is about all Catholics:
<<In his book, Smokescreens (you can read it online), Jack Chick explains why
it is important for us to witness to Catholics, rather than accepting them as
brothers and sisters in Christ. We must love them enough to tell them the
truth! Some will become angry, others will respond in faith. But if we truly love
them, we won't hold back the truth. >>
http://www.chick.com/
Sandra
OH MY GOSH!!
It's both frightening and funny.
From their page on Catholicism, some of the most blatantly bogus "history"
I've ever seen:
<<Didn't Christianity consist of the Catholic Church for the first 1500 years?
<<No. While the Catholic Church was seeking to control the world through
religion, true Christians were running for their lives from the Catholic holocaust
that ran for centuries.
<<God has always had His people, faithful to Him and His Word. They had no
part in the Roman Catholic Church. Through much of history, organized religion
has hunted and slaughtered God's people. For an excellent overview of this,
read the classic work, "The Trail of Blood," at one of these websites: xx>>
[and they give two, and I'll go look, but one only has to know the history of
the publication of the Bible to know that God did NOT always have "his
people" and there was no Baptist church going back to the time of Christ. ]
and from that same page, an answer to the complaint Pam S. made about people
"witnessing" to other people's kids, though this is about all Catholics:
<<In his book, Smokescreens (you can read it online), Jack Chick explains why
it is important for us to witness to Catholics, rather than accepting them as
brothers and sisters in Christ. We must love them enough to tell them the
truth! Some will become angry, others will respond in faith. But if we truly love
them, we won't hold back the truth. >>
http://www.chick.com/
Sandra
[email protected]
First let me say, Sandra, too late! Garbage goes quickly around here, so
those tracts are gone! Maybe I'll remember next year and save them for you, but
that's a long time from now and I'm almost 40 so I'm not promising anything.
Second, I'd like to say, Pam S., I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
about handing those tracts out w/ the candy. I think if I were personally
worried about them, I wouldn't have my children going to someone else's house
and asking them to give them something. I don't take anything too seriously
anymore, and really, this web group has helped tremendously in that just in the
last few weeks. I see my children making considerate choices without my
intervention in all areas of their lives, and I feel such freedom. I feel like I
have intelligent discussions instead of barking out orders and commands. I am
seeing my children as mutual partners in our family, and I am amazed at how
wonderful they are. Consequently, I wouldn't care if someone gave them a tract
from Wicca, or Jehovah Witness', or Timbuk2. I am confident we'd discuss it
intelligently, they'd decide whether or not they'd want to know more, and we'd
go with whatever their decision came to be. I must say, though, I am very
surprised people get so offended at tracts. To me it's like emails I don't want,
junk mail, phone calls after 9-and commercials. Delete, delete, delete. And
it is just sharing of information, you can take it or leave it. If I'm
getting this unschooling way of thought down, and kids are watching things and doing
things that mainstream America doesn't do and we are still trusting them, why
can we not trust them as well in regards to religion?
Carol
Carol
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those tracts are gone! Maybe I'll remember next year and save them for you, but
that's a long time from now and I'm almost 40 so I'm not promising anything.
Second, I'd like to say, Pam S., I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
about handing those tracts out w/ the candy. I think if I were personally
worried about them, I wouldn't have my children going to someone else's house
and asking them to give them something. I don't take anything too seriously
anymore, and really, this web group has helped tremendously in that just in the
last few weeks. I see my children making considerate choices without my
intervention in all areas of their lives, and I feel such freedom. I feel like I
have intelligent discussions instead of barking out orders and commands. I am
seeing my children as mutual partners in our family, and I am amazed at how
wonderful they are. Consequently, I wouldn't care if someone gave them a tract
from Wicca, or Jehovah Witness', or Timbuk2. I am confident we'd discuss it
intelligently, they'd decide whether or not they'd want to know more, and we'd
go with whatever their decision came to be. I must say, though, I am very
surprised people get so offended at tracts. To me it's like emails I don't want,
junk mail, phone calls after 9-and commercials. Delete, delete, delete. And
it is just sharing of information, you can take it or leave it. If I'm
getting this unschooling way of thought down, and kids are watching things and doing
things that mainstream America doesn't do and we are still trusting them, why
can we not trust them as well in regards to religion?
Carol
Carol
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zenmomma2kids
>>I must say, though, I am very surprised people get so offended attracts. To me it's like emails I don't want, junk mail, phone calls
after 9-and commercials. Delete, delete, delete.>>
Yeah but I do get grumpy sometimes when the commercials or phone
calls or emails are intrusive or interrupting a good time. Not
offended, just wishing they'd keep it outta my space.
>>And it is just sharing of information, you can take it or leaveit. If I'm getting this unschooling way of thought down, and kids
are watching things and doing things that mainstream America doesn't
do and we are still trusting them, why can we not trust them as well
in regards to religion?>>
I don't think anyone here was wanting to keep the tracts from
reaching their kids as much as commenting that they're not a part of
the usual Halloween celebration and feel intrusive and presumptive.
Life is good.
~Mary
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/4/2003 10:11:06 AM Central Standard Time,
sheran@... writes:
I think church members park in the parking lot, open their trunks,
and put candy in them. Trick or treaters go from trunk to trunk
Oh what a ridiculous idea. Really. Unless you live in Canada and it's 40
below on Halloween or something like that.
@@
Tuck
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sheran@... writes:
I think church members park in the parking lot, open their trunks,
and put candy in them. Trick or treaters go from trunk to trunk
Oh what a ridiculous idea. Really. Unless you live in Canada and it's 40
below on Halloween or something like that.
@@
Tuck
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Dawn Adams
Oh what a ridiculous idea. Really. Unless you live in Canada and it's 40
below on Halloween or something like that.
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below on Halloween or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I must defend my nation. My daughter went trick or treating here in rural Nova Scotia without a coat this year. :) I'm not sure where in Canada it would get to 40 below at Halloween. ;)
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/4/03 1:21:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
Teresa sent me a link to the chick tract site.
OH MY GOSH!!
It's both frightening and funny.
downright absurd.. so much so, that is it funny.. But, not really funny when you
think about the propaganda that they spread. I don't know how many of them
that Landon has collected, actually, he is the one that told me (showed me)
about them..
Teresa
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SandraDodd@... writes:
Teresa sent me a link to the chick tract site.
OH MY GOSH!!
It's both frightening and funny.
>>>Yeah, those Chick tracts are .. well. like I said "notorious" .. They are
downright absurd.. so much so, that is it funny.. But, not really funny when you
think about the propaganda that they spread. I don't know how many of them
that Landon has collected, actually, he is the one that told me (showed me)
about them..
Teresa
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/4/03 6:35:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tuckervill2@... writes:
Oh what a ridiculous idea. Really. Unless you live in Canada and it's 40
below on Halloween or something like that.
walking distance.. and there is no sidewalk, no street lights... Not everyone
lives in the city or in suburbia. Trunk or treat is a lifesaver out here.. I
can't count how many skinned knees, twisted ankles, ripped costumes, scary dog
encounters.etc .. we have had on Halloween.. Getting in and out of the car..
running across big lawns, dropping your candy, all some common
pain-in-the-ass things about door to door trick or treating in the boondocks. In town,
and in housing developments, folks do still go door to door, but there are
churches, rec centers, malls, and lots of other places that offer easier options
to country living trick or treating.
Teresa
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tuckervill2@... writes:
Oh what a ridiculous idea. Really. Unless you live in Canada and it's 40
below on Halloween or something like that.
>>>Or you live out in the country, sometimes miles between each house.... NOT
walking distance.. and there is no sidewalk, no street lights... Not everyone
lives in the city or in suburbia. Trunk or treat is a lifesaver out here.. I
can't count how many skinned knees, twisted ankles, ripped costumes, scary dog
encounters.etc .. we have had on Halloween.. Getting in and out of the car..
running across big lawns, dropping your candy, all some common
pain-in-the-ass things about door to door trick or treating in the boondocks. In town,
and in housing developments, folks do still go door to door, but there are
churches, rec centers, malls, and lots of other places that offer easier options
to country living trick or treating.
Teresa
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pam sorooshian
On Nov 4, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Halo5964@... wrote:
are just turned off by it and that's fine with me. My point was that if
someone really CARES to try to convert people, this is a
counterproductive way to do it because it is offensive to other
parents. I get it that they think they have this great gift - eternal
life - and they want to pass it on - but my point is that they are
hurting their own chances of passing it on when they hand out tracts to
trick-or-treaters.
-pam
National Home Education Network
<www.NHEN.org>
Serving the entire homeschooling community since 1999
through information, networking and public relations.
> Second, I'd like to say, Pam S., I guess we'll just have to agree toYou've misunderstood my point. I'm not worried about it at all. My kids
> disagree
> about handing those tracts out w/ the candy. I think if I were
> personally
> worried about them, I wouldn't have my children going to someone
> else's house
> and asking them to give them something.
are just turned off by it and that's fine with me. My point was that if
someone really CARES to try to convert people, this is a
counterproductive way to do it because it is offensive to other
parents. I get it that they think they have this great gift - eternal
life - and they want to pass it on - but my point is that they are
hurting their own chances of passing it on when they hand out tracts to
trick-or-treaters.
-pam
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In a message dated 11/4/2003 1:21:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
<<No. While the Catholic Church was seeking to control the world through
religion, true Christians were running for their lives from the Catholic
holocaust
that ran for centuries.
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Ugh...what a crock. No wonder most Catholics I know (myself included) hate
the Chick Tract company. How ignorant can you get.
Nancy B. in WV
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SandraDodd@... writes:
<<No. While the Catholic Church was seeking to control the world through
religion, true Christians were running for their lives from the Catholic
holocaust
that ran for centuries.
********************************************************
Ugh...what a crock. No wonder most Catholics I know (myself included) hate
the Chick Tract company. How ignorant can you get.
Nancy B. in WV
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Heidi
Isn't it just nauseating? But Chick Tracts have a cult following, of
sorts. Kind of a collector's item.
He's just awful, IMO. you should see the one on the antichrist. He's
dressed like the pope, and all these priests and nuns with a 666 on
their foreheads. L
FWIW, I don't know if anyone takes Chick seriously. Possibly. But no
one I've ever met. (In my VAST experience, you see ;)
blessings, HeidiC
sorts. Kind of a collector's item.
He's just awful, IMO. you should see the one on the antichrist. He's
dressed like the pope, and all these priests and nuns with a 666 on
their foreheads. L
FWIW, I don't know if anyone takes Chick seriously. Possibly. But no
one I've ever met. (In my VAST experience, you see ;)
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> Teresa sent me a link to the chick tract site.
> OH MY GOSH!!
>
> It's both frightening and funny.
>
> From their page on Catholicism, some of the most blatantly
bogus "history"
> I've ever seen:
>
> <<Didn't Christianity consist of the Catholic Church for the first
1500 years?
>
>
> <<No. While the Catholic Church was seeking to control the world
through
> religion, true Christians were running for their lives from the
Catholic holocaust
> that ran for centuries.
>
> <<God has always had His people, faithful to Him and His Word. They
had no
> part in the Roman Catholic Church. Through much of history,
organized religion
> has hunted and slaughtered God's people. For an excellent overview
of this,
> read the classic work, "The Trail of Blood," at one of these
websites: xx>>
>
> [and they give two, and I'll go look, but one only has to know the
history of
> the publication of the Bible to know that God did NOT always
have "his
> people" and there was no Baptist church going back to the time of
Christ. ]
>
>
> and from that same page, an answer to the complaint Pam S. made
about people
> "witnessing" to other people's kids, though this is about all
Catholics:
>
> <<In his book, Smokescreens (you can read it online), Jack Chick
explains why
> it is important for us to witness to Catholics, rather than
accepting them as
> brothers and sisters in Christ. We must love them enough to tell
them the
> truth! Some will become angry, others will respond in faith. But if
we truly love
> them, we won't hold back the truth. >>
>
> http://www.chick.com/
>
>
> Sandra
[email protected]
> I think church members park in the parking lot, open their trunks,I think the idea started when church members wanted a safer environment for
> and put candy in them. Trick or treaters go from trunk to trunk
>
>
> Oh what a ridiculous idea. Really. Unless you live in Canada and it's 40
> below on Halloween or something like that.
their children to trick or treat in. It was originally church members with
candy for other church members. That way you know who your children are getting
candy from and they are in the church parking lot. It has grown over the
years to include anyone who is comfortable with their kids trick or treating with
those church members.
Pam G
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joylyn
I have always wanted to hand them out. Not to kids who come to our
house, but to homes who hand out Nestle candy. Just a small paper that
says "buying Nestle products, including candy, contributes significantly
to the death of millions of babies world wide every year. Please go to
http://www.wearsthebaby.com/articles/nestle.html or
http://www.babymilkaction.org/pages/boycott.html for more information.
I've never done it, simply because october seems so busy that I don't
have time, but one day I'll do it.
Joylyn
house, but to homes who hand out Nestle candy. Just a small paper that
says "buying Nestle products, including candy, contributes significantly
to the death of millions of babies world wide every year. Please go to
http://www.wearsthebaby.com/articles/nestle.html or
http://www.babymilkaction.org/pages/boycott.html for more information.
I've never done it, simply because october seems so busy that I don't
have time, but one day I'll do it.
Joylyn
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/5/2003 1:27:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,
TeresaBnNC@... writes:
Yeah, those Chick tracts are .. well. like I said "notorious" .. They are
downright absurd.. so much so, that is it funny.. But, not really funny when
you
think about the propaganda that they spread.
pre-teen who may have no concept of Church history, other religion's beliefs,
they would appear to be "spreading the gospel" and exposing truths. I know as
a pre-teen (during the big "I Found It" born again movement in the 70's) I
was shocked by the tracts and believed what they said. After all, it's printed
right there, and the youth minister (whom we KNOW we can trust) GAVE it to
me...it has to be true! I think they spread proselytism and hate.
Nancy B. in WV
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TeresaBnNC@... writes:
Yeah, those Chick tracts are .. well. like I said "notorious" .. They are
downright absurd.. so much so, that is it funny.. But, not really funny when
you
think about the propaganda that they spread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As discerning adults, we look at them and think "how lame!" But for a young
pre-teen who may have no concept of Church history, other religion's beliefs,
they would appear to be "spreading the gospel" and exposing truths. I know as
a pre-teen (during the big "I Found It" born again movement in the 70's) I
was shocked by the tracts and believed what they said. After all, it's printed
right there, and the youth minister (whom we KNOW we can trust) GAVE it to
me...it has to be true! I think they spread proselytism and hate.
Nancy B. in WV
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/4/2003 8:58:58 PM Central Standard Time,
Genant2@... writes:
I think the idea started when church members wanted a safer environment for
their children to trick or treat in. It was originally church members with
candy for other church members. That way you know who your children are
getting
candy from and they are in the church parking lot. It has grown over the
years to include anyone who is comfortable with their kids trick or treating
with
those church members.
Fear.
Tuck
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Genant2@... writes:
I think the idea started when church members wanted a safer environment for
their children to trick or treat in. It was originally church members with
candy for other church members. That way you know who your children are
getting
candy from and they are in the church parking lot. It has grown over the
years to include anyone who is comfortable with their kids trick or treating
with
those church members.
Fear.
Tuck
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/5/2003 5:00:16 AM Central Standard Time,
TeresaBnNC@... writes:
Or you live out in the country, sometimes miles between each house.... NOT
walking distance.. and there is no sidewalk, no street lights...
~~~~~~
That's where I live. In the middle of 10 acres surrounded by cotton fields
and kudzu.
We go to town to trick or treat with friends in their neighborhood. When my
kids were little and had short attention spans, we'd trick or treat at the few
nearby relatives or friends we knew--by car.
I made allowance for practical reasons when I mentioned Canada. Fear based
living is not on my list.
Tuck
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TeresaBnNC@... writes:
Or you live out in the country, sometimes miles between each house.... NOT
walking distance.. and there is no sidewalk, no street lights...
~~~~~~
That's where I live. In the middle of 10 acres surrounded by cotton fields
and kudzu.
We go to town to trick or treat with friends in their neighborhood. When my
kids were little and had short attention spans, we'd trick or treat at the few
nearby relatives or friends we knew--by car.
I made allowance for practical reasons when I mentioned Canada. Fear based
living is not on my list.
Tuck
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