The Day Homeschooling Dies
sonyacurti
Hi everyone,
I'm with Janis and Laura D,I too enjoyed the e-mail that was sent.
It struck a chord in me also because I got from it "a awy of living"
I didn't pay much attention to the history of it because I went to
school and I never learned about all that LOL......... I am truly
just learning everything now with being HOME (not homeschooling)with
my son so desparately wishing DAD could be joining our FUN. I long
for the day where we can all be together and he doesn't have to work
so hard to support two families(ex-wife). I always tell him that my
mission is to find a FAMILY based business that we can do as a
family so he can enjoy the closeness that we have. Also he is not
getting any younger and I don't want to see him working outside in
the elements of his contracting / construction business. He has a
dream that his children will follow in his shoes but it doesn't look
that way as of yet.
Sonya
P.S. I think it would be helpful to describe the whole concept of
unschooling that is why I printed it for my husband who doesn't
quite understand HOMEschooling. He questions me daily on what we
are doing for our homeSCHOOLING. I really like that comment of
offering no explanation of why we are not in school. It is none of
their business :)
I'm with Janis and Laura D,I too enjoyed the e-mail that was sent.
It struck a chord in me also because I got from it "a awy of living"
I didn't pay much attention to the history of it because I went to
school and I never learned about all that LOL......... I am truly
just learning everything now with being HOME (not homeschooling)with
my son so desparately wishing DAD could be joining our FUN. I long
for the day where we can all be together and he doesn't have to work
so hard to support two families(ex-wife). I always tell him that my
mission is to find a FAMILY based business that we can do as a
family so he can enjoy the closeness that we have. Also he is not
getting any younger and I don't want to see him working outside in
the elements of his contracting / construction business. He has a
dream that his children will follow in his shoes but it doesn't look
that way as of yet.
Sonya
P.S. I think it would be helpful to describe the whole concept of
unschooling that is why I printed it for my husband who doesn't
quite understand HOMEschooling. He questions me daily on what we
are doing for our homeSCHOOLING. I really like that comment of
offering no explanation of why we are not in school. It is none of
their business :)
Fetteroll
on 10/25/03 11:09 AM, sonyacurti at jcurtielectric@... wrote:
learned it if you had been a fundamentalist Christian homeschooled child.
It's relatively recent revisionist history.
Tuck has the advantage of having met him, but what I've read of the
philosophy of the Elijah Company they seem to be very thoughtful people.
They have a really good page that discusses why they've chosen to include
fantasy in their curriculum, despite the feelings among many
fundamentalists.
He may believe this history and may be passing off conclusions based on what
he believes is truth, but that doesn't turn the arguments he's basing it on
into truth.
something that comes to the same conclusions that doesn't need to rely on
made up history and catch words that racists use as a foundation.
Joyce
> I didn't pay much attention to the history of it because I went toThe point was that it was all made up history. And you wouldn't have even
> school and I never learned about all that LOL
learned it if you had been a fundamentalist Christian homeschooled child.
It's relatively recent revisionist history.
Tuck has the advantage of having met him, but what I've read of the
philosophy of the Elijah Company they seem to be very thoughtful people.
They have a really good page that discusses why they've chosen to include
fantasy in their curriculum, despite the feelings among many
fundamentalists.
He may believe this history and may be passing off conclusions based on what
he believes is truth, but that doesn't turn the arguments he's basing it on
into truth.
> I'm with Janis and Laura D,I too enjoyed the e-mail that was sent.Truth shouldn't need lies to support it. Maybe someone else can write up
something that comes to the same conclusions that doesn't need to rely on
made up history and catch words that racists use as a foundation.
Joyce
jfetteroll
--- In [email protected], Fetteroll <
fetteroll@e...> wrote:
and the Sonlight page on fantasy I've pointed people to.
Elijah was the first homeschooling catalog I got when I started
out and I read it cover to cover. All that stuff! And the detailed
descriptions! But it was, ultimately, uncomfortably fundamentalist
for me. They had and have books on the God-dad-mom-kids
family structure, how to start your own business to be self-reliant
because that's a Christian's duty. They carry Mary Hood's book
Onto the Yellow School Bus... ("Over four centuries ago, Martin
Luther warned that if God were removed from education, the
schools would prove to be the gates of hell. In this very
interesting book, Mary Hood discusses home schooling as a
form of spiritual warfare.") There's a book section "Families
Interested in Social Action & Restoring America to Her Christian
Roots."
So I don't know about their philosophy but that point of view is
definitely reflected in their book offerings. Now it's making more
sense that he'd write an article like that.
Joyce
fetteroll@e...> wrote:
> Tuck has the advantage of having met him, but what I've read ofthe
> philosophy of the Elijah Company they seem to be verythoughtful people.
> They have a really good page that discusses why they'vechosen to include
> fantasy in their curriculum, despite the feelings among manyOops! It's the Sonlight people I'm familiar with, not Elijah Co.,
> fundamentalists.
and the Sonlight page on fantasy I've pointed people to.
Elijah was the first homeschooling catalog I got when I started
out and I read it cover to cover. All that stuff! And the detailed
descriptions! But it was, ultimately, uncomfortably fundamentalist
for me. They had and have books on the God-dad-mom-kids
family structure, how to start your own business to be self-reliant
because that's a Christian's duty. They carry Mary Hood's book
Onto the Yellow School Bus... ("Over four centuries ago, Martin
Luther warned that if God were removed from education, the
schools would prove to be the gates of hell. In this very
interesting book, Mary Hood discusses home schooling as a
form of spiritual warfare.") There's a book section "Families
Interested in Social Action & Restoring America to Her Christian
Roots."
So I don't know about their philosophy but that point of view is
definitely reflected in their book offerings. Now it's making more
sense that he'd write an article like that.
Joyce
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/27/03 2:37:35 AM, fetteroll@... writes:
<< Elijah was the first homeschooling catalog I got when I started
out and I read it cover to cover. All that stuff! And the detailed
descriptions! >>
One homeschooling family I knew through the SCA, I met when Kirby was one and
their kids ranged from 2 - 12. Five kid.
Years passed, I liked the kids, one had the same birthday as I did, and Kirby
got to be five and then didn't go to school.
Years passed, and once they all spent the weekend with us and we had a GREAT
time. Part of the great time involved video games, on the cutting edge system
the time, which was a Nintendo 64.
The mom had been homeschooling by then for maybe twelve years.
We discussed exchanging some of our information.
I gave her some printouts from online discussions that I'd really liked about
then, a copy of the interview with me in Home Education Magazine (which I
thought would be fun because she'd known me before I'd ever considered
homeschooling) and a couple of little articles I had written.
She gave me an Elijah Company catalog.
That was it.
I was interested in the vast array of inexpensive illustrated history books
(many of which I already had) but kind of appalled at the creationist science
and the number of religious bios (all Protestant, which ended up skewing their
history offerings around the Renaissance).
When we next met to trade back our stuff (they needed their catalog back) the
dad said very testily and privately to me: "We don't need YOU to tell us how
to homeschool."
Yah. Well. He had never been in on the original conversation.
But not long after that they got a Nintendo system.
And they loosened up on their lessons.
And the mom eventually ran the dad off (to the other end of their rambling
hippie property, but off from the main house).
They had been living off his mental disability payments (and social security
and welfare), but the kids came up with a very cool magic and juggling act,
and some of you probably have seen them or will someday. "The Clan Tynker."
http://www.pennsic.net/entertain/clan_tynker.html
At one time they had a webpage (an advertisement, not much more) but I didn't
find it.
The girls' real names were Sarah and Mary (Biblical) but they messed with
them (which is fine). Rebekah is the one with the same birthday as mine. Sam is
dating Sadie, one of the unschoolers I've talked about here sometimes, who
has done two years of college and is off this year doing construction and
studying karate in Santa Fe.
Sandra
<< Elijah was the first homeschooling catalog I got when I started
out and I read it cover to cover. All that stuff! And the detailed
descriptions! >>
One homeschooling family I knew through the SCA, I met when Kirby was one and
their kids ranged from 2 - 12. Five kid.
Years passed, I liked the kids, one had the same birthday as I did, and Kirby
got to be five and then didn't go to school.
Years passed, and once they all spent the weekend with us and we had a GREAT
time. Part of the great time involved video games, on the cutting edge system
the time, which was a Nintendo 64.
The mom had been homeschooling by then for maybe twelve years.
We discussed exchanging some of our information.
I gave her some printouts from online discussions that I'd really liked about
then, a copy of the interview with me in Home Education Magazine (which I
thought would be fun because she'd known me before I'd ever considered
homeschooling) and a couple of little articles I had written.
She gave me an Elijah Company catalog.
That was it.
I was interested in the vast array of inexpensive illustrated history books
(many of which I already had) but kind of appalled at the creationist science
and the number of religious bios (all Protestant, which ended up skewing their
history offerings around the Renaissance).
When we next met to trade back our stuff (they needed their catalog back) the
dad said very testily and privately to me: "We don't need YOU to tell us how
to homeschool."
Yah. Well. He had never been in on the original conversation.
But not long after that they got a Nintendo system.
And they loosened up on their lessons.
And the mom eventually ran the dad off (to the other end of their rambling
hippie property, but off from the main house).
They had been living off his mental disability payments (and social security
and welfare), but the kids came up with a very cool magic and juggling act,
and some of you probably have seen them or will someday. "The Clan Tynker."
http://www.pennsic.net/entertain/clan_tynker.html
At one time they had a webpage (an advertisement, not much more) but I didn't
find it.
The girls' real names were Sarah and Mary (Biblical) but they messed with
them (which is fine). Rebekah is the one with the same birthday as mine. Sam is
dating Sadie, one of the unschoolers I've talked about here sometimes, who
has done two years of college and is off this year doing construction and
studying karate in Santa Fe.
Sandra