Olga

I have a question for everyone in the northeast and canada. Me and
dh have decided that we want to relocate. Huge decsion for us!
Right now we are in the preliminary stages of getting the business
ready to sell, figuring out how his parents will survive or if they
should come with us and of course where our business would do well.
We are considering the northeast (narrowed down to VA, MD, DE, CT,
ME, MA, PA, NH, VT and even considering PEI in Canada.

1: How are these states for homeschooling, obviously unschooling in
terms of being relaxed?
2. We really want to live a more relaxed, laid back lifestyle. Any
recommendations on cities that have an appreciation for that instead
of what car you drive? (we live in Boca Raton, FL now pretty much a
place of excess and we have had our fill)
3. completely OT: We run a british grocery business and bakery. We
would like to continue that and specialize in teas and such. Anyone
know any places that are needing of such a thing or would appreciate
artisan baking and the such.

Any info would be appreciated since we don't kow much about the
specifics of those places. THANK YOU!

Olga :)

catherine aceto

We live in Pittsburgh, PA (which may be more south/west than you are looking at - based on the other states in your list) . The state laws are considered among the more restrictive. But -- you don't have to register you child until she/he turns 8 -- which gets rid of some early performance pressure. Each year you have to (I think) turn in objectives (which can be VERY general, i.e., continue to read books for pleasure, understand math in everyday life, etc.), in some places (though not in my school district) turn in a portfolio with examples of work, and have a certified teacher do the evaluation. You choose the evaluator from any certified PA teacher and I'm told that it is pretty easy to find a unschooling/unschooling friendly evaluator. I know plenty of unschoolers in the city of Pittsburgh school district and they don't seem to be having any problems. Other school districts may vary.

The city feeling in my experience is EXTREMELY laid back. No one cars what you drive, so far as I can tell. Housing stock is reasonably cheap for a medium sized city. I've had friends find move-in condition 3-4 bedroom houses in reasonable neighborhoods in the 80's and I'm told even in the 60's. My own neighborhood just saw an incredible jump in prices, but that seems to have cooled down somewhat.

What I really love about Pittsburgh is that as a legacy of the robber coal and steel barons (Carnegie, Frick, etc.) from the turn of the century -- it had a LOT of money put into arts/musuem/parks infrastructure, so for the size of the city, it really has better museums adn parks than it "ought" to have.

Other stuff: several universities and colleges, so good bookstores and used bookstores. Lots of stuff to do with kids indoors and outdoors. A reasonably active alternative parenting community. A terrific active, non-religious, largely-unschooling homeschooling group (and some other schoolier, christian ones).

Not sure whether there is already one or more british grocery businesses -- but specialty shops like that seem to do well -- judging from the numbers of them around that stay in business.

Anyway -- that's the long-winded answer. I'd be happy to answer any questions on or off-line if you have any.

-Cat


----- Original Message -----
From: Olga
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] sort of OT: great places to live/homeschool


I have a question for everyone in the northeast and canada. Me and
dh have decided that we want to relocate. Huge decsion for us!
Right now we are in the preliminary stages of getting the business
ready to sell, figuring out how his parents will survive or if they
should come with us and of course where our business would do well.
We are considering the northeast (narrowed down to VA, MD, DE, CT,
ME, MA, PA, NH, VT and even considering PEI in Canada.

1: How are these states for homeschooling, obviously unschooling in
terms of being relaxed?
2. We really want to live a more relaxed, laid back lifestyle. Any
recommendations on cities that have an appreciation for that instead
of what car you drive? (we live in Boca Raton, FL now pretty much a
place of excess and we have had our fill)
3. completely OT: We run a british grocery business and bakery. We
would like to continue that and specialize in teas and such. Anyone
know any places that are needing of such a thing or would appreciate
artisan baking and the such.

Any info would be appreciated since we don't kow much about the
specifics of those places. THANK YOU!

Olga :)


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Crystal

Olga, for your third question, it would seem that you would have to
be near a large city to have a large enough foreign community to buy
your special made products unless you sold online or through mail
order. Could mail order or online be an option? That would expand
your options so much as to where you could live.

I live in MA. According to an article in USA Today, we topped the
list of states that discourage homeschooling but I have never had a
problem. We just write a letter of intent at the beginning of the
year and a short progress report at the end of the year. CT has no
regulations at all. Maybe you could suscribe to the yahoo groups of
all the states you are interested in, go on no email, and just read
through a lot of their posts to see what issues people are
talking/complaining about.

Don't forget to figure in culture shock for your family. Going from
a large city to the isolation of a gazillion acre farm (for example)
may be too much of a sudden change. We just moved from a city to a
small town and my kids are having a tough time adjusting to the fact
that not everything is only a bus stop away from where they are at
every moment. This town doesn't even have busses. We did move close
to the center of town so they have stores nearby, just not the
variety they are used to.

Crystal



--- In [email protected], "Olga"
<mccluskieo@b...> wrote:
> I have a question for everyone in the northeast and canada. Me and
> dh have decided that we want to relocate. Huge decsion for us!
> Right now we are in the preliminary stages of getting the business
> ready to sell, figuring out how his parents will survive or if they
> should come with us and of course where our business would do
well.
> We are considering the northeast (narrowed down to VA, MD, DE, CT,
> ME, MA, PA, NH, VT and even considering PEI in Canada.
>
> 1: How are these states for homeschooling, obviously unschooling in
> terms of being relaxed?
> 2. We really want to live a more relaxed, laid back lifestyle. Any
> recommendations on cities that have an appreciation for that
instead
> of what car you drive? (we live in Boca Raton, FL now pretty much a
> place of excess and we have had our fill)
> 3. completely OT: We run a british grocery business and bakery. We
> would like to continue that and specialize in teas and such.
Anyone
> know any places that are needing of such a thing or would
appreciate
> artisan baking and the such.
>
> Any info would be appreciated since we don't kow much about the
> specifics of those places. THANK YOU!
>
> Olga :)

[email protected]

In a message dated 10/11/03 8:45:10 AM, mccluskieo@... writes:

<< completely OT: We run a british grocery business and bakery. >>

I've never yet been to New England (next August! first time) so I can't help
there, but I could use a jar of Vindaloo and some clotted cream (not to eat
together).

(Probably one of the Indian restaurants with the little grocery sections
might have Vindaloo...)

Sandra

Olga

Sandra,

LOL..well we sell both on our website.
www.britishfoodconnection.com and we can ship it right to you (p.s.
we also make fresh scones to go with the devon cream ;)

Olga :)
--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/11/03 8:45:10 AM, mccluskieo@b... writes:
>
> << completely OT: We run a british grocery business and bakery. >>
>
> I've never yet been to New England (next August! first time) so I
can't help
> there, but I could use a jar of Vindaloo and some clotted cream
(not to eat
> together).
>
> (Probably one of the Indian restaurants with the little grocery
sections
> might have Vindaloo...)
>
> Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 10/11/03 9:52:57 AM, mccluskieo@... writes:

<< LOL..well we sell both on our website.

www.britishfoodconnection.com and we can ship it right to you >>

OKAY THEN!
I think I had seen your site before, when somone here was looking for
I-forget-what a couple of years ago. COOL!!

Sandra

Shyrley

Olga wrote:

>I have a question for everyone in the northeast and canada. Me and
>dh have decided that we want to relocate. Huge decsion for us!
>Right now we are in the preliminary stages of getting the business
>ready to sell, figuring out how his parents will survive or if they
>should come with us and of course where our business would do well.
>We are considering the northeast (narrowed down to VA, MD, DE, CT,
>ME, MA, PA, NH, VT and even considering PEI in Canada.
>
VA is hot, humid, conservative and a traffic nightmare.

>
>1: How are these states for homeschooling, obviously unschooling in
>terms of being relaxed?
>
Not too terrible. File a Notice of Intent once a year and test your kids
and send in the results every August. Or alternatively don't tell anyone :-)

>2. We really want to live a more relaxed, laid back lifestyle. Any
>recommendations on cities that have an appreciation for that instead
>of what car you drive? (we live in Boca Raton, FL now pretty much a
>place of excess and we have had our fill)
>
Not North Virginia then. SUV and Hummer capital where the suburbs judge
you on your car and house.

>3. completely OT: We run a british grocery business and bakery. We
>would like to continue that and specialize in teas and such. Anyone
>know any places that are needing of such a thing or would appreciate
>artisan baking and the such.
>
There's 2 in North Virginia

>
>Any info would be appreciated since we don't kow much about the
>specifics of those places. THANK YOU!
>
I would recommend the Boston area for more laid back type people.
Definately not North VA. Plus its very very expensive here for houses,
natural gas, electricity. Most of the Homeschoolers are school-at-home
plus scheduled classes and activities.
Yuck.
Why do ya think I'm leaving....????

Shyrley

[email protected]

In a message dated 10/11/03 10:17:55 AM, shyrley@... writes:

<< Why do ya think I'm leaving....????
>>

This could be a contest! Who knows why Shyrley (or nearly anyone) would
rather live in England than in Virginia.

Bike-friendliness?
Foot-traffic friendly and nearby shops instead of far-away giant supermarket.
People will understand her the first time.
Betting shops on every corner.
Better place to have a baby!
Familiar holiday customs.
First-run English comedies instead of five or ten years old.
Day-trips to France.
HesFes is closer.
Fewer fundamentalists.

The American shows that England chooses to broadcast are not necessarily our
best of all time, though. Simpsons is there, not too far behind (two years?)
and that's okay. But years ago when I visited, they were big into The Dukes
of Hazzard. That was scary.

Lately, Frasier. I think because of the British character. And I saw Little
House on the Prairie showing early afternoons.

But what I mostly heard people saying if Americans or American TV came up was
"Jerry Springer." THAT is what they will think of Americans. Jerry
Springer, Dukes of Hazzard.

Yeehaw.

Sandra

Olga

Shyrley,

Do you know anything about VA beach? My dh was thinking about the
annapolis, MD area but we visited his brother there and I thought it
was similar to here and what you described. I am pushing for more
north and somewhere where we can live a little away from the main
town where we would locate the bakery and find cheaper housing and
live in the country a bit. We are looking for a place with a
mixture of tourism and a sort of hometown atmosphere. Who knows,
maybe we are dreaming!

Olga :)
-- In [email protected], Shyrley <shyrley@e...>
wrote:
>
>
> Olga wrote:
>
> >I have a question for everyone in the northeast and canada. Me
and
> >dh have decided that we want to relocate. Huge decsion for us!
> >Right now we are in the preliminary stages of getting the
business
> >ready to sell, figuring out how his parents will survive or if
they
> >should come with us and of course where our business would do
well.
> >We are considering the northeast (narrowed down to VA, MD, DE,
CT,
> >ME, MA, PA, NH, VT and even considering PEI in Canada.
> >
> VA is hot, humid, conservative and a traffic nightmare.
>
> >
> >1: How are these states for homeschooling, obviously unschooling
in
> >terms of being relaxed?
> >
> Not too terrible. File a Notice of Intent once a year and test
your kids
> and send in the results every August. Or alternatively don't tell
anyone :-)
>
> >2. We really want to live a more relaxed, laid back lifestyle.
Any
> >recommendations on cities that have an appreciation for that
instead
> >of what car you drive? (we live in Boca Raton, FL now pretty much
a
> >place of excess and we have had our fill)
> >
> Not North Virginia then. SUV and Hummer capital where the suburbs
judge
> you on your car and house.
>
> >3. completely OT: We run a british grocery business and bakery.
We
> >would like to continue that and specialize in teas and such.
Anyone
> >know any places that are needing of such a thing or would
appreciate
> >artisan baking and the such.
> >
> There's 2 in North Virginia
>
> >
> >Any info would be appreciated since we don't kow much about the
> >specifics of those places. THANK YOU!
> >
> I would recommend the Boston area for more laid back type people.
> Definately not North VA. Plus its very very expensive here for
houses,
> natural gas, electricity. Most of the Homeschoolers are school-at-
home
> plus scheduled classes and activities.
> Yuck.
> Why do ya think I'm leaving....????
>
> Shyrley

Shyrley

SandraDodd@... wrote:

>In a message dated 10/11/03 10:17:55 AM, shyrley@... writes:
>
><< Why do ya think I'm leaving....????
> >>
>
>This could be a contest! Who knows why Shyrley (or nearly anyone) would
>rather live in England than in Virginia.
>
;-)

>
>Bike-friendliness?
>
Yup. They are transport not toys. And we don't have to wear
figure-hugging lycra which dunt flatter anyone, even Lance.

>Foot-traffic friendly and nearby shops instead of far-away giant supermarket.
>
S'right. And all the shop-keepers know you.

>People will understand her the first time.
>
:-)

>Betting shops on every corner.
>
There are?

>Better place to have a baby!
>
Yup. Homebirth here I come.

>Familiar holiday customs.
>
Mine-pies on Boxing Day

>First-run English comedies instead of five or ten years old.
>
At home with the Braithewaites is now on BBC America.

>Day-trips to France.
>
Wine!

>HesFes is closer.
>
Three HesFes's next year :-)

>Fewer fundamentalists.
>
Thats cos we sent them here.

>
>The American shows that England chooses to broadcast are not necessarily our
>best of all time, though. Simpsons is there, not too far behind (two years?)
>and that's okay. But years ago when I visited, they were big into The Dukes
>of Hazzard. That was scary.
>
I think we get most of 'em now. Friends, Frasier, Stargate, Star Trek. I
can't think of any American show I've seen here that we don't get. We
even got American Idol!

>
>Lately, Frasier. I think because of the British character. And I saw Little
>House on the Prairie showing early afternoons.
>
We've had that for years n years. I remember watching it when I was 8 or
9 with my mother saying 'Why can't you be more like Mary, she's so
obedient.' Bleurgh.

>
>But what I mostly heard people saying if Americans or American TV came up was
>"Jerry Springer." THAT is what they will think of Americans. Jerry
>Springer, Dukes of Hazzard.
>
My mum watches Judge Judy, Jerry Springer, Maury. Stuff like that. It's
not on normal TV though, just satelite.

>
>Yeehaw.
>
Y'all come again soon now, y'hear ;-)

Shyrley

Olga

Thanks for all your input Shyrley. We would love to go to live in
Scotland, where my dh grew up, but I guess a british grocery store
and bakery would not do us much good over there ;)

Olga :)
--- In [email protected], Shyrley <shyrley@e...>
wrote:
>
>
> I hear Lexington in MA is nice.
>
> Shyrley
>
I'll check it out!

Shyrley

Olga wrote:

>Shyrley,
>
>Do you know anything about VA beach? My dh was thinking about the
>annapolis, MD area but we visited his brother there and I thought it
>was similar to here and what you described. I am pushing for more
>north and somewhere where we can live a little away from the main
>town where we would locate the bakery and find cheaper housing and
>live in the country a bit. We are looking for a place with a
>mixture of tourism and a sort of hometown atmosphere. Who knows,
>maybe we are dreaming!
>
>Olga :)
>
Annapolis is probably better than Virginia beach. It's pretty
conservative down there and lots of traffic. A lot of the people who
were unpleasant to me came from there.
Cheap housing is a problem anywhere 50 miles of DC which Anapolis is.
I hear Lexington in MA is nice. Driving distance of Boston We thought of
going there when DH got offered a job by MIT but then I decided I really
wanted to go home.

Shyrley

>
>

[email protected]

In a message dated 10/11/03 12:05:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
shyrley@... writes:
>Fewer fundamentalists.
>
Thats cos we sent them here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

SNORK! Coffee all over my screen!
~Nancy


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[email protected]

In a message dated 10/11/03 11:16:01 AM, mccluskieo@... writes:

<< We would love to go to live in

Scotland, where my dh grew up, but I guess a british grocery store

and bakery would not do us much good over there ;) >>

You could sell AMERICAN groceries!

Green chile and tortillas.
Wolf Brand Chili
Miracle Whip
Ketchup
Chocolate chips (maybe it's the name that keeps them from selling there)


Maybe those things are already available there, though. When Holly and I
went a few years ago we could get Dr Pepper by the litre in Kirk Ella. That was
news then.

Sandra

joylyn

SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 10/11/03 11:16:01 AM, mccluskieo@... writes:
>
> << We would love to go to live in
>
> Scotland, where my dh grew up, but I guess a british grocery store
>
> and bakery would not do us much good over there ;) >>
>
> You could sell AMERICAN groceries!
>
> Green chile and tortillas.

I love the first thing on your list! Yummy.

Joylyn

>
> Wolf Brand Chili
> Miracle Whip
> Ketchup
> Chocolate chips (maybe it's the name that keeps them from selling there)
>
>
> Maybe those things are already available there, though. When Holly and I
> went a few years ago we could get Dr Pepper by the litre in Kirk
> Ella. That was
> news then.
>
> Sandra
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TreeGoddess

Shyrley wrote:

>>Fewer fundamentalists.
>>
>>
>>
>Thats cos we sent them here.
>

OMG that is too funny, Shyrley!

TreeGoddess


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[email protected]

<<CT has no regulations at all. >>

Olga,

We were born and raised in Connecticut and just recently moved from there.
Connecticut has no regulations as far as homeschooling / unschooling goes. Some
officials may tell you it is law to sign a NOI but it really is not required.
There is an attorney there that will stand up for your rights if there ends up
being a problem. Connecticut has a large homeschooling network that offers
wonderful support & various activities and play groups for children of all ages.
I don't know if you are familiar with Ned and Luz but they also live in
Connecticut and have a group called Unschoolers Unlimited which is a great group.
We lived down near the shore in Milford and then near the Mass. border in
Enfield, both were pretty good places. If you were to consider moving to
Connecticut, I would say NOT to move to Hartford although it probably would be a good
place for your business, Hartford is BUSY and if you are more for the quiet
neighborhood then Hartford would not be for you. I don't know if New Hampshire
would be a good place for your business, it would have to be in the very busy
areas like Manchester, Nashua, Portsmouth to name a few, not too quiet! The
quieter areas like where we live, business's come and go and tend not to do very
well mainly because everyone is driving to the busy towns for work.

Kim

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Sounds like coastal Maine. Laura
<<<We are looking for a place with a
mixture of tourism and a sort of hometown atmosphere. Who knows,
maybe we are dreaming!


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Lillian Haas

Well, I know New Jersey has a terrible reputation, but I'm sort of insulted
that you left us out! <G> We have by far the best homeschooling law on the
East Coast -- no testing, no portfolios, no notification. You can do
whatever you want here.

Despite being known as the armpit of the nation, New Jersey has some really
nice parts. You might consider Hunterdon County, in the center of the state,
which has great little towns and beautiful countryside, or a shore town like
Cape May, which has great Victorian architecture and quite a bit of
year-round culture.

Beyond that, we just came back from Cape Cod, and we loved it there. But it
is Massachusetts, where each district can do whatever it wants when it comes
to homeschooling.

Lillian

[email protected]

1&2: Maine seems to be great so far we have been here 6 years my husband was
born and raised in Maine. Our letter of intent is simple -One statement. Here
your friends are made by you not by your car or the size of your home and tend
to be less long lasting friends. Snow near the ME NH line is beautiful and
not overwhelming.

Prices differ depending on the town. Lebanon ME is very low and very country
but not much in the town. South Berwick is a perfect small town with country
but costly.


3. Portland, Lewiston, Auburn, Bangor and Augusta or Portsmouth NH would be a
good place for the business. There is also Manchester NH or Boston MA. Or for
seasonal business there is York, ME, Kittery, ME or Hampton NH but Hampton is
icky in the summer. Tends to be a trouble spot. York is also a VERY nice
place to live as is Kittery but higher. Dover NH seems to be adding some specialty
foods. They are a smaller city and a nice place to live. York, Kittery, Dover
are all about 45 minutes to Boston and 50 to Manchester as far as airports
with the exception of Pease which flies to FL that Is in Portsmouth/Newington NH
about 10 minutes from York, ME, Kittery, ME,Dover, NH and Hampton, NH.
Hope I made sense I jumped a bit.

Laura


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Julie Solich

First-run English comedies instead of five or ten years old.At home with the
Braithewaites is now on BBC America.

Shyrley


What about the Royles? I just love that family!!!!

Julie




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crystal.pina

>>But it is Massachusetts, where each district can do whatever it wants when
it comes to homeschooling.>>

This is not exactly true. Each town has it's own rules but they all must
stay withing the two court rulings. The court rulings basically say we have
to write a letter of intent at the beginning of each year, and a periodical
method of evaluation that is mutually agreed upon. We do not have to stay
up with what the schools teach or anything like that. The confusion comes
because some towns have forms that ask for hours in each subject and also
ask for a face-to-face meeting. Neither of those are required, though. We
are working to educate each superintendent by giving them a booklet of
facts. A group just formed in MA that is dealing specifically with this
issue.

Crystal

coyote's corner

Hi,
I'm from RI - you really don't want to be here - BUT - I've been to Jersey and there are some absolutely beautiful parts and some very awesome people!
janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lillian Haas
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] sort of OT: great places to live/homeschool


Well, I know New Jersey has a terrible reputation, but I'm sort of insulted
that you left us out! <G> We have by far the best homeschooling law on the
East Coast -- no testing, no portfolios, no notification. You can do
whatever you want here.

Despite being known as the armpit of the nation, New Jersey has some really
nice parts. You might consider Hunterdon County, in the center of the state,
which has great little towns and beautiful countryside, or a shore town like
Cape May, which has great Victorian architecture and quite a bit of
year-round culture.

Beyond that, we just came back from Cape Cod, and we loved it there. But it
is Massachusetts, where each district can do whatever it wants when it comes
to homeschooling.

Lillian




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Check out Floyd, VA. Our new home. I hope, anyway----Ben and I are going up
in two weeks. I've fallen in love with the place virtually; we're going for the
weekend to fall in love IRL.

http://www.floydvirginia.com/

~Kelly


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Olga

Kelly,

You are too cute. That is something I would do. Actually, right
now we are focusing on getting more info on Northampton, MA as we
have gotten some great information from a few distinct sources. I
am doing all that virtual research as well. I will check out the
Virginia website and let me know when you come back! Right now we
are trying to narrow down to maybe 5 places to go visit early next
year after our Christmas season (although I wish I could just jump
in the car now and go!) Good Luck!

Olga :)
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> Check out Floyd, VA. Our new home. I hope, anyway----Ben and I are
going up
> in two weeks. I've fallen in love with the place virtually; we're
going for the
> weekend to fall in love IRL.
>
> http://www.floydvirginia.com/
>
> ~Kelly
>
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joanna514

Kelly, are you really thinking of moving?
VA would put you lots closer to us. That would be so cool!
Joanna


--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> Check out Floyd, VA. Our new home. I hope, anyway----Ben and I are
going up
> in two weeks. I've fallen in love with the place virtually; we're
going for the
> weekend to fall in love IRL.
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> http://www.floydvirginia.com/
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> ~Kelly
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