Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] breastfeeding was: more clarifying
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In a message dated 9/16/03 11:27:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HMSL2@...
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nursed a single child on airplanes and even tandem nursed on airplanes (no way
to be discreet with that). I nursed my children during both my mother's and
father's funerals, yes in the front row. Nursed while sitting on a street
bench in the city. On buses and on subways. My oldest nursed in public until he
was about 4ish then his nursing slowed to only before bed. I have nursed my
children just about everywhere and have never had a negative comment. Never
"covered up" with a cloth. Maybe my experience is unique but I have never had
anyone run away from me or say anything but positive comments.
Pam G.
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writes:
> Have any of the moms who have removed themselves from situations likeI used a sling for both children and nursed comfortably in a sling. I have
> church,
> etc., ever own a sling?
nursed a single child on airplanes and even tandem nursed on airplanes (no way
to be discreet with that). I nursed my children during both my mother's and
father's funerals, yes in the front row. Nursed while sitting on a street
bench in the city. On buses and on subways. My oldest nursed in public until he
was about 4ish then his nursing slowed to only before bed. I have nursed my
children just about everywhere and have never had a negative comment. Never
"covered up" with a cloth. Maybe my experience is unique but I have never had
anyone run away from me or say anything but positive comments.
Pam G.
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I have also. I am normally a reserved personal person esp with my body. With
my first I was a wreck nursing in public but with my last two I have been much
more relaxed.
I nursed with my sling every where. The mall, dinner, holidays with family,
grocery shopping, outings, church (where it was well accepted even without a
sling) and others. I dont recall not feeling comfortable to nurse anywhere. The
slings are big enough with an infant that you are totally covered as is the
baby.
I have never made it past 7-8mo in my nursing so I have no clue what it is
like to nurse a toddler as that would be out of the sling, bigger and much more
obvious. But getting to the 8 mo mark and knowing and wishing I had gone
longer I plan to with this next baby/s.
Laura
7 weeks preg
Who cant figure out why I have gained 8-10 pounds in 2 weeks!
<<<<<<I used a sling for both children and nursed comfortably in a sling. I
have
nursed a single child on airplanes and even tandem nursed on airplanes (no
way
to be discreet with that). I nursed my children during both my mother's and
father's funerals, yes in the front row. Nursed while sitting on a street
bench in the city. On buses and on subways. My oldest nursed in public until
he
was about 4ish then his nursing slowed to only before bed. I have nursed my
children just about everywhere and have never had a negative comment. Never
"covered up" with a cloth. Maybe my experience is unique but I have never had
anyone run away from me or say anything but positive comments.
Pam G.
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my first I was a wreck nursing in public but with my last two I have been much
more relaxed.
I nursed with my sling every where. The mall, dinner, holidays with family,
grocery shopping, outings, church (where it was well accepted even without a
sling) and others. I dont recall not feeling comfortable to nurse anywhere. The
slings are big enough with an infant that you are totally covered as is the
baby.
I have never made it past 7-8mo in my nursing so I have no clue what it is
like to nurse a toddler as that would be out of the sling, bigger and much more
obvious. But getting to the 8 mo mark and knowing and wishing I had gone
longer I plan to with this next baby/s.
Laura
7 weeks preg
Who cant figure out why I have gained 8-10 pounds in 2 weeks!
<<<<<<I used a sling for both children and nursed comfortably in a sling. I
have
nursed a single child on airplanes and even tandem nursed on airplanes (no
way
to be discreet with that). I nursed my children during both my mother's and
father's funerals, yes in the front row. Nursed while sitting on a street
bench in the city. On buses and on subways. My oldest nursed in public until
he
was about 4ish then his nursing slowed to only before bed. I have nursed my
children just about everywhere and have never had a negative comment. Never
"covered up" with a cloth. Maybe my experience is unique but I have never had
anyone run away from me or say anything but positive comments.
Pam G.
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Bronwen
(quotes from two different posts- dont know who- digest - sorry)
ask me,
not the ones that are discreet.
Assuming that because you are shocked (or alot of people are shocked), it
must be that person's intention to shock, is faulty reasoning and a reason
to justify judgement and "attitude" against the person- and in this case
distain for the human body and its natural functions.
If a person responds defensively to a "helpful comment" (to find an
"appropriate" place to nurse, or "this is Kinkos, a place of business, and
children should not be loud", or anything like that ) it is because they
felt attacked.
If we have distain for the human body and its natural functions in certain
places or at all, it is because of our culture and society. If we ourselves
claim that we don't have distain for the human body and its functions, but
feel it is our business to let others know in a way that entices
defensiveness when they might "offend others" who are shocked by the sight
of a breast in an "inappropriate place", that is also because of our culture
and society.
statement over,
Bronwen
>>Whole large boob, WHOLLY out, twice as big asthe baby, mom being purposely shocking
>>It wasn't about nursing, it was about shock value, attention, look at mepeople! THAT kind of nursing gives nursing moms a hard row to hoe if you
ask me,
not the ones that are discreet.
Assuming that because you are shocked (or alot of people are shocked), it
must be that person's intention to shock, is faulty reasoning and a reason
to justify judgement and "attitude" against the person- and in this case
distain for the human body and its natural functions.
If a person responds defensively to a "helpful comment" (to find an
"appropriate" place to nurse, or "this is Kinkos, a place of business, and
children should not be loud", or anything like that ) it is because they
felt attacked.
If we have distain for the human body and its natural functions in certain
places or at all, it is because of our culture and society. If we ourselves
claim that we don't have distain for the human body and its functions, but
feel it is our business to let others know in a way that entices
defensiveness when they might "offend others" who are shocked by the sight
of a breast in an "inappropriate place", that is also because of our culture
and society.
statement over,
Bronwen
catherine aceto
that has also been my experience.
-cat
. Nursed while sitting on a street
bench in the city. On buses and on subways. My oldest nursed in public until he
was about 4ish then his nursing slowed to only before bed. I have nursed my
children just about everywhere and have never had a negative comment. Never
"covered up" with a cloth. Maybe my experience is unique but I have never had
anyone run away from me or say anything but positive comments.
Pam G.
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-cat
. Nursed while sitting on a street
bench in the city. On buses and on subways. My oldest nursed in public until he
was about 4ish then his nursing slowed to only before bed. I have nursed my
children just about everywhere and have never had a negative comment. Never
"covered up" with a cloth. Maybe my experience is unique but I have never had
anyone run away from me or say anything but positive comments.
Pam G.
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In a message dated 9/17/03 2:49:34 PM, felesina@... writes:
<< Assuming that because you are shocked (or alot of people are shocked), it
must be that person's intention to shock, is faulty reasoning and a reason
to justify judgement and "attitude" against the person- and in this case
distain for the human body and its natural functions. >>
You're saying nobody intends to shock?
There are people here saying they know people who have purposefully been
antagonistic about such things.
It's not disdain or attitude when it's true.
<<If a person responds defensively to a "helpful comment" (to find an
"appropriate" place to nurse, or "this is Kinkos, a place of business, and
children should not be loud", or anything like that ) it is because they
felt attacked.>>
Some people like to feel martyrly or put upon.
By your summary judgement, it's impossible to suggest anything to anyone
without attacking, or at least if they FEEL attacked, it's.... what? Not their
fault that they feel attacked?
"If we have distain "
Disdain.
<<If we have distain for the human body and its natural functions in certain
places or at all, it is because of our culture and society. If we ourselves
claim that we don't have distain for the human body and its functions, but
feel it is our business to let others know in a way that entices
defensiveness when they might "offend others" who are shocked by the sight
of a breast in an "inappropriate place", that is also because of our culture
and society.>>
Yeah.
?
This type of discussion and the existence of e-mail groups is because of our
culture and society. Not much we can do or say exists outside of our culture
and society.
Sandra
<< Assuming that because you are shocked (or alot of people are shocked), it
must be that person's intention to shock, is faulty reasoning and a reason
to justify judgement and "attitude" against the person- and in this case
distain for the human body and its natural functions. >>
You're saying nobody intends to shock?
There are people here saying they know people who have purposefully been
antagonistic about such things.
It's not disdain or attitude when it's true.
<<If a person responds defensively to a "helpful comment" (to find an
"appropriate" place to nurse, or "this is Kinkos, a place of business, and
children should not be loud", or anything like that ) it is because they
felt attacked.>>
Some people like to feel martyrly or put upon.
By your summary judgement, it's impossible to suggest anything to anyone
without attacking, or at least if they FEEL attacked, it's.... what? Not their
fault that they feel attacked?
"If we have distain "
Disdain.
<<If we have distain for the human body and its natural functions in certain
places or at all, it is because of our culture and society. If we ourselves
claim that we don't have distain for the human body and its functions, but
feel it is our business to let others know in a way that entices
defensiveness when they might "offend others" who are shocked by the sight
of a breast in an "inappropriate place", that is also because of our culture
and society.>>
Yeah.
?
This type of discussion and the existence of e-mail groups is because of our
culture and society. Not much we can do or say exists outside of our culture
and society.
Sandra
Amy and Cory Nelson
Laura,
I hope you're able to make it to that 8 month mark and beyond with this
baby, too! If you don't know if there's a LLL group near you, I'd highly
recommend checking to be sure: http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebIndex.html.
The support and information made such a difference for me at the start of my
mothering journey :)
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99) and Cole (9/03/02)
"Allow children to be happy in their own way, for what better
way will they find?"
--Dr, Samuel Johnson
http://thissideofsomewhere.blogspot.com/
I hope you're able to make it to that 8 month mark and beyond with this
baby, too! If you don't know if there's a LLL group near you, I'd highly
recommend checking to be sure: http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebIndex.html.
The support and information made such a difference for me at the start of my
mothering journey :)
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99) and Cole (9/03/02)
"Allow children to be happy in their own way, for what better
way will they find?"
--Dr, Samuel Johnson
http://thissideofsomewhere.blogspot.com/
> I have never made it past 7-8mo in my nursing so I have no clue what it is
> like to nurse a toddler as that would be out of the sling, bigger and much
> more
> obvious. But getting to the 8 mo mark and knowing and wishing I had gone
> longer I plan to with this next baby/s.
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Thank you Amy.
I will be contacting them when the baby is born. I considered it with the
last and never went. This time I would like to go.
Laura
<<I hope you're able to make it to that 8 month mark and beyond with this
baby, too! If you don't know if there's a LLL group near you, I'd highly
recommend checking to be sure: http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebIndex.html.
The support and information made such a difference for me at the start of my
mothering journey :)
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99) and Cole (9/03/02)
"Allow children to be happy in their own way, for what better
way will they find?"
--Dr, Samuel Johnson
http://thissideofsomewhere.blogspot.com/
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I will be contacting them when the baby is born. I considered it with the
last and never went. This time I would like to go.
Laura
<<I hope you're able to make it to that 8 month mark and beyond with this
baby, too! If you don't know if there's a LLL group near you, I'd highly
recommend checking to be sure: http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebIndex.html.
The support and information made such a difference for me at the start of my
mothering journey :)
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99) and Cole (9/03/02)
"Allow children to be happy in their own way, for what better
way will they find?"
--Dr, Samuel Johnson
http://thissideofsomewhere.blogspot.com/
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TreeGoddess
HMSL2@... wrote:
That way you can learn about techniques that are helpful at the
beginning of a nursing relationship and will have a repore with the
Leader so that if you do call and need help you'll likely get better
"service". ;)
Best Wishes, TreeGoddess
>I will be contacting them when the baby is born.I encourage you to go to a few meetings *before* your baby is born.
>
That way you can learn about techniques that are helpful at the
beginning of a nursing relationship and will have a repore with the
Leader so that if you do call and need help you'll likely get better
"service". ;)
Best Wishes, TreeGoddess
joylyn
Oh please do NOT wait until the baby is born. Go 4 months before you
are due. THe time to learn to breastfeed is BEFORE you give birth, this
way you get the information you need and want, and you meet the people
and establish relationships with the people who can help you.
I LOVE to have pg moms at my meetings. Moms that attend meetings while
pg are almost always successful at breastfeeding.
Joylyn
HMSL2@... wrote:
are due. THe time to learn to breastfeed is BEFORE you give birth, this
way you get the information you need and want, and you meet the people
and establish relationships with the people who can help you.
I LOVE to have pg moms at my meetings. Moms that attend meetings while
pg are almost always successful at breastfeeding.
Joylyn
HMSL2@... wrote:
> Thank you Amy.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> I will be contacting them when the baby is born. I considered it with the
> last and never went. This time I would like to go.
>
> Laura
> <<I hope you're able to make it to that 8 month mark and beyond with this
> baby, too! If you don't know if there's a LLL group near you, I'd highly
> recommend checking to be sure: http://www.lalecheleague.org/WebIndex.html.
> The support and information made such a difference for me at the start
> of my
> mothering journey :)
>
> Amy
> Mama to Accalia (6/14/99) and Cole (9/03/02)
> "Allow children to be happy in their own way, for what better
> way will they find?"
> --Dr, Samuel Johnson
> http://thissideofsomewhere.blogspot.com/
>
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>As a retired LLL leader, I would second that! It's a great idea to go to
> >I will be contacting them when the baby is born.
> >
>
> I encourage you to go to a few meetings *before* your baby is born.
> That way you can learn about techniques that are helpful at the
> beginning of a nursing relationship and will have a repore with the
> Leader so that if you do call and need help you'll likely get better
> "service". ;)
>
> Best Wishes, TreeGoddess
meetings before the baby comes. Not only do you learn some techniques and
ideas to help when the baby is born, but you'll be much more comfortable
calling for help if you already know the leaders.
Good luck,
marjorie
Amy and Cory Nelson
Great! And please go before the baby arrives! In case you didn't catch it on
that link I sent, there's a link for LLL's online group. So you can attend a
meeting from the comfort of your home :) Not nearly as good as going in
person, but the women who lead those meetings are so nice!
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99) and Cole (9/03/02)
"Allow children to be happy in their own way, for what better
way will they find?"
--Dr, Samuel Johnson
http://thissideofsomewhere.blogspot.com/
that link I sent, there's a link for LLL's online group. So you can attend a
meeting from the comfort of your home :) Not nearly as good as going in
person, but the women who lead those meetings are so nice!
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99) and Cole (9/03/02)
"Allow children to be happy in their own way, for what better
way will they find?"
--Dr, Samuel Johnson
http://thissideofsomewhere.blogspot.com/
> Thank you Amy.
> I will be contacting them when the baby is born. I considered it with the
> last and never went. This time I would like to go.
>
> Laura
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In a message dated 9/18/03 6:38:18 AM, HMSL2@... writes:
<< Thank you Amy.
I will be contacting them when the baby is born. I considered it with the
last and never went. This time I would like to go. >>
Go before the baby's born!!
I wish I had. I waited until Kirby was four months old, and that four months
didn't need to be as hard as it was. It would have helped for me to have
those contacts before he was born, so I'd be better prepared from the first
moment, and have names and phone numbers of people whose faces and voices I knew.
<<The support and information made such a difference for me at the start of my
mothering journey :)>>
LLL changed ALL of my mothering, to this day. Breastfeeding was only a small
part of what I learned from them.
Sandra
<< Thank you Amy.
I will be contacting them when the baby is born. I considered it with the
last and never went. This time I would like to go. >>
Go before the baby's born!!
I wish I had. I waited until Kirby was four months old, and that four months
didn't need to be as hard as it was. It would have helped for me to have
those contacts before he was born, so I'd be better prepared from the first
moment, and have names and phone numbers of people whose faces and voices I knew.
<<The support and information made such a difference for me at the start of my
mothering journey :)>>
LLL changed ALL of my mothering, to this day. Breastfeeding was only a small
part of what I learned from them.
Sandra
Amy and Cory Nelson
> LLL changed ALL of my mothering, to this day. Breastfeeding was only a smallOh yes, me too! LLL, AP, unschooling - all of those things led into each
> part of what I learned from them.
other for me and it just felt a natural progression. What better way to
continue respecting your child and responding to them than by unschooling?
Amy
Mama to Accalia (6/14/99) and Cole (9/03/02)
"Allow children to be happy in their own way, for what better
way will they find?"
--Dr, Samuel Johnson
http://thissideofsomewhere.blogspot.com/