J. Stauffer

I think one of the major attractions of Superheroes is the having power to
right wrongs. To have the power to save the powerless, to fight for the
underdog, etc.. And often people have to get angry to be motivated to do
that, hence the Hulk.

My kids have learned the most amazing things from shows that I thought were
complete fluff. We were watching some show the other day with a reference
to Harriet Tubman which the character missed. My 12yo laughed and I asked
her if she knew who Harriet Tubman was. Adriane explained the history of
Ms. Tubman and stated that she learned it on "Sister, Sister." Go figure.

By the way of introduction, my name is Julie S. I was on this group when
it started but quite a few months ago our computer died and we are just now
up and running again. We have 5 kids, ages 12, 10, 6 and two 4yos. We are
radical, almost fanatical unschoolers and are loving every minute of it.

Julie S.
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> 1. Re: Re:some people should not homeschool
> From: "Marjorie Kirk" <mkirk@...>
> 2. re: Sample of Holly spelling
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 3. Homeopathy on line
> From: "Amie" <amiersa2@...>
> 4. Re: re: Sample of Holly spelling
> From: Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...>
> 5. Re: tv and video games
> From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
> 6. spelling
> From: Tim and Maureen <tmthomas@...>
> 7. Re: Re: literacy rate??
> From: genant2@...
> 8. fun link about molecules
> From: "Sara" <cheeps4u@...>
> 9. Re: Re:some people should not homeschool
> From: "Judie C. Rall" <adonai@...>
> 10. Re: Parenting changes :)
> From: ejcrewe@...
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> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:36:10 -0400
> From: "Marjorie Kirk" <mkirk@...>
> Subject: Re: Re:some people should not homeschool
>
> My kids had a neighbor girl they used to play with when we lived in the
> Stepford Village who decided she wanted to homeschool too. When she asked
> her mother if they could, her mother told her no, because she, the
> seven-year-old, would drive her crazy if she was around the house all
day.
> Besides that, when would her mother be able to go shopping, or to the gym,
> or get her nails done if she had to take care of her all of the time?
Talk
> about screwed up priorites! My heart ached for this little girl. It's
one
> thing to think these sorts of thoughts, but to say them out loud to a
seven
> year old is criminal. All of our neighbors seemed to have the attitude
that
> they wanted the best money could buy for their kids, and they were willing
> to work as much as they needed to so their kids could have the very best.
> The only thing they didn't have was parents who wanted to spend time with
> them!
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> Marjorie
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> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:42:30 EDT
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: re: Sample of Holly spelling
>
> -=-I was so damn impressed. I told him so and he said, "don't be too
> impressed mom, your bird book was open and I just found words on that
> page the right length and spelled those. <G> So, I still don't know what
> he could spell without a handy book or the spell check, but I'm even more
> impressed. <g>-=-
>
> Oh my gosh!! Yeah, that's cool, but the odds of there being words on that
> very page that he happened to have letters for in his hand is WONDERFULLY
cool!!
>
> -=- here he came and asked to play.
> We were at the five card hand already so he just jumped in where we
were.-=-
>
> We haven't done it on Quiddler, but with Five Crowns if someone wants to
> join, we "average them in" by giving them a starting score of the average
of the
> others' scores to that point. It's been the most practical use of
averages I
> can think of in our daily lives. <g>
>
> -=-They
> tell me they purposely spell phonically or kinda silly when in a
> conversation.-=-
>
> Yeah, I particularly liked the other girl's "not nemore" which I assume is
> "not anymore."
>
> I asked Holly about "yaa" which she used for "yeah." She said she knows
the
> other spelling, but it's a way to show it with a certain inflection
(didn't
> use the word "inflection," but pronounced it the way it's intended to be
if they
> wrote "yaa").
>
> Sandra
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:30:33 -0400
> From: "Amie" <amiersa2@...>
> Subject: Homeopathy on line
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> Here is the link for anyone interested:
>
> Homeopathy2health.com
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> Amie
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:48:09 -0600
> From: Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...>
> Subject: Re: re: Sample of Holly spelling
>
> ***the odds of there being words on that
> very page that he happened to have letters for in his hand is WONDERFULLY
> cool!!***
>
> That he scanned or read until he found a word with at least some of the
> letters he was holding, and made sure it was the length it needed to be,
> and kept track of the letters he still needed to collect, and used the
> book in the first place really delighted me.
>
> He delights me. <g>
>
> ***with Five Crowns if someone wants to
> join, we "average them in" by giving them a starting score of the average
> of the
> others' scores to that point. It's been the most practical use of
> averages I
> can think of in our daily lives. <g> ***
>
> I just ordered Five Crowns after reading about it here. It hasn't
> arrived yet, but we've been playing Racko, which I found at the
> secondhand store for forty nine cents. It's old, 1962? I think, but in
> perfect shape, so if we get bored with it quickly I won't feel bad about
> passing it along.
>
> Deb L
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> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 14:52:46 -0000
> From: "Heidi" <bunsofaluminum60@...>
> Subject: Re: tv and video games
>
> Good story, Judie
>
> I enjoy hearing about the connections kids make! It's fun to watch,
> too. Amazing how fertile the mind is
>
> blessings, HeidiC
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> --- In [email protected], "Judie C. Rall"
> <adonai@s...> wrote:
> > Letting my kids watch what they want and play whatever video games
> > they want has led to some positive academic study. Like, Ethan saw
> > some cartoon on Tv about Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
> > and he thought Puck was pretty cool. So today he just up and said,
> > "I need to get a new library card." I said, "Do you want to go to
> > the library today?" "Yes, I want to get A Midsummer Night's
> Dream."
> > So, we went and he did. He also got Bloom's Notes on the play. He
> > sat reading the first scene to me just now. Now you know if I'd
> > suggested he get that book, it would have gone over like a lead
> > balloon.
> >
> > Then Josh's obsession with the video game Halo and the movie
> Resident
> > Evil has caused him to get all the paperback books spawned by those
> > two, and he has read every one. Now, I could be complaining that
> he
> > was not reading Shakespeare like Ethan, but at least he is
> reading!
> > Which is what is important. And every now and then, he tries to
> > write his own little Halo stories.
> >
> >
> > Judie
> > Catch my Ebay Auctions!
> > http://www.unhinderedliving.com/ebaypage.html
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:56:46 -0700
> From: Tim and Maureen <tmthomas@...>
> Subject: spelling
>
> Don't know if I caught the total jist of the discussion on spelling but it
made me think of something. My oldest came home from school at 10 yrs old.
She could not spell. My then youngest had done kindergarten. They were
introduced to sounds like spelling. For 1-2 yrs there was very little
attempt to do anything requiring spelling or reading by any of the kids. The
oldest started asking for how to spell, started having me write out her
dictated stories,etc...After about a year I noticed there was less asking.
At this point she was writing stories with a passion. She is now 15 and last
year asked for a book on punctuation, and grammar rules for Christmas. She
seldom needs help with spelling and seldom misspells now. I did no formal
training. The ds that learned sounds like spelling would quit spelling if I
corrected his letters at all.I would send his letters to his uncle
uncorrected. He is now 11 and began asking for spelling help on his own.What
fascinated me was I have seen a pattern for dd and ds and that was to leave
them alone and only give what they asked for. Now suddenly the 11 yr old has
decided it is important for him to have correct spelling in his letters.
This whole natural learning has really worked here and been very fascinating
to watch.
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> Maureen
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:04:51 EDT
> From: genant2@...
> Subject: Re: Re: literacy rate??
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> In a message dated 9/10/03 10:24:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> RJHill241@... writes:
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> > :
> >
> > I am not ADHD, you just aren't interesting enough to pay attention
to!
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> >
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> I LOVE that. I want to print one off for my nephew.
> Pam G
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:23:33 -0000
> From: "Sara" <cheeps4u@...>
> Subject: fun link about molecules
>
> http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/
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> or this and then click powers of ten
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> http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/index.html
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:38:07 +0000
> From: "Judie C. Rall" <adonai@...>
> Subject: Re: Re:some people should not homeschool
>
> A teacher chooses to be with x number of children all day. Why is it
> so hard for people who are so keen on spending time with their
> children to understand that, for other people, it's not what they
> want to do? They enjoy their jobs, or they enjoy their time out. Not
> all kids are unhappy at school. Some kids love it and would hate to
> be at home. I know this list is for home schoolers (we do, home
> school I mean) and we love it - but I wouldn't have wanted to do it a
> few years ago when my career still meant the world to me - as did my
> children, but they were happy at school, and I was happy so changing
> it wouldn't have brought us anything better - we would have been
> unhappy.
>
> *******************************************************
>
> Well, just because I myself was a good student and absolutely LOVED
> school and everything about it doesn't mean that leaving my kids in
> school was the right thing. Could they have continued on in the
> school they were in? Probably....they weren't getting bad grades,
> except my older son in math, but they were already prepared to give
> him some kind of business math course in place of Algebra, so he
> could have done OK there. We could have continued on, but I
> couldn't in good conscience do it.
>
> No, people who don't homeschool aren't "bad" people, but I myself had
> to question why I would want to leave my kids in a system that is
> squelching their potential, that is literally designed to keep them
> from succeeding, to keep them from being free thinkers and from
> breaking out of the mold society wants to place them in. I couldn't
> do it.....I had to give them a chance. Even if kids in school get
> straight A's, that doesn't mean school is good for them. It's still
> keeping them from reaching their potential.
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:49:27 EDT
> From: ejcrewe@...
> Subject: Re: Parenting changes :)
>
> In a message dated 9/10/2003 8:45:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> mjsolich@... writes:
>
>
> > I feel a bit dumb
> > when I think of all prejudices I have had towards certain books and the
> > TV
>
> I struggle with this too, maybe you all can help. I find it difficult to
> find the value in Spiderman, Superman, etc. This is my son's current
"thing."
> I'm trying not to be judgemental, but it's a struggle. I'm not sure what
it is
> except that I was never interested in super heroes as a child. Also, I
have
> trouble with violence in general. Hulk, for instance, gets his powers
from
> getting angry, right? Nathan has done a lot with this phase, including
drawing
> Zuperman, cutting him out and putting a big Z on his chest (actually a
> backwards S). He also makes spiderman masks, hulk hands, etc and engages
in a lot of
> imaginative play with his guys.
>
> It's clearly something I need to get over. I'm trying to think positively
> and at least acknowledge that it's a good think I know it's my issue, not
his!
>
> Elizabeth
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In a message dated 9/11/03 11:39:17 AM, jnjstau@... writes:

<< I think one of the major attractions of Superheroes is the having power to

right wrongs. To have the power to save the powerless, to fight for the

underdog, etc.. And often people have to get angry to be motivated to do

that, hence the Hulk. >>

I didn't connect the two topics this morning when I was ordering a copy of
The Tick episodes on DVD. You have to know the real super-hero traditions and
motifs for all the humor on that show to make sense. Some of the greatest
quotes of the past decade were from The Tick TV show.

Sandra

Deborah Lewis

***this morning when I was ordering a copy of
The Tick episodes on DVD. ***

Is this the live action Tick with Patrick Warburton, or the animated
series?

Deb L
"Like a great blue salmon of justice the mighty Tick courses upstream to
the very spawning ground of EVIL!"
~The Tick~

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liza sabater

On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 08:23 PM, Deborah Lewis wrote:

> ***this morning when I was ordering a copy of
> The Tick episodes on DVD.  ***
>
> Is this the live action Tick with Patrick Warburton, or the animated
> series?

Animated. Funniest thing in the world.

Dr. Mental gets inside The Tick's head and says, "I am going to unleash
your worst fear". Switch of scene and The Tick is in this tiny chair
sitting in front of a tine desk with paper everywhere to which he says:
"A desk job? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I LOVE THE TICK!
/ l i z a, nyc
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In a message dated 9/11/2003 6:50:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:
Is this the live action Tick with Patrick Warburton, or the animated
series?
I went in to order live, and ended up ordering both.


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In a message dated 9/11/2003 6:50:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:
"Like a great blue salmon of justice the mighty Tick courses upstream to
the very spawning ground of EVIL!"
Yeah, like that! <bwg>

Or this:


"Evil is just plain bad. You don't cotton to it,
you just gotta smack it on the nose
with the rolled-up newspaper of goodness!
Bad dog! Bad dog!"

--The Tick

(With apologies to good dogs everywhere, whose noses I never smack.)


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