susan

i feel the same way but i do use the organic cotton ones. i feel they're
worth extra money.

-susan

B & T Simpson wrote:

> Have to say here, I have been using tampons since day one and never had any
> problems, my mother on the other hand got the same line about not using them
> if you were not sexually active, she used them anyway because she was a
> swimmer. also no problems for her. and I will encourage my daughter to use
> them, she has used them since half way thru her first period! I can't
> imagine being without them.
> Tanya
>
> >I'm just curios to know... how many of the people that are against the use
> >of tampons use or have used disposable diapers on their children? It is a
> >fact that the chemical in the gel used to make disp. diapers so absorbant
> is
> >the same chemical that was removed from tampons in 1988 because it was
> >linked to TSS. And we have this pressing against our children's
> reproductive
> >oragans 24/7? I don't want anyone to think this is a personal slam. It's
> >not. I use them for my kids from time to time. I'm just saying that perhaps
> >we should rethink our stance from time to time. FYI this gel is also the
> >same one that is used to coat Tylenol and other gel caps. Is it really
> >objective to make blanket statements about the use of tampons when we all
> >can't be so noble to say we've never used any of these other products. I
> >hate conflict and don't want anyone to think I'm looking for a fight. I
> just
> >think we all need to examine oue daily practices a liitle closer.
> > amy
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:48 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> >
> >
> >> Well, I started at 9, back in the dark ages (50's) as did several other
> >> members of my family. So, some
> >> pre-spotting prior to that age doesn't sound too out there.
> >>
> >> Now, as to the tampons. That whole business about it being o.k. is
> simply
> >> manufacturers trying to get more customers. When I went through the
> >> classes back in the dark ages, we were told they were definately not o.k.
> >> for anyone who wasn't sexually active and were really not designed for
> >> anyone who hadn't had a child yet.
> >>
> >> We now know that they contain Dioxin and this push for younger and
> younger
> >> girls to use tampons would seem to correlate with the increase in various
> >> cancers and the younger and younger age that women are getting cancer
> >> (ovarian, cervical, uterine and breast).
> >>
> >> Now, this is really weird because this seems to be a topic on several
> >lists
> >> right now so I have my whole Dioxin speel down. Dioxin is in the top 10
> >of
> >> known carcenogens. It is the "evil" from Love Canal, etc. It is fat
> >> soluable, not water soluable which means it resides in fatty tissues and
> >is
> >> found in humans, mammals, birds and fish and seeks them out, so to speak.
> >> Dioxin is the by-product of the bleaching process that cotton goes
> through
> >> and is residual. Rayon is also another problem as are the chemicals that
> >> are put in tampons. There are unbleached tampons available that are
> >> chemical free.
> >>
> >> Lynda, who will stop ranting now %-}
> >>
> >> ----------
> >> > From: Tamilooch@...
> >> > To: [email protected]
> >> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> >> > Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 12:06 PM
> >> >
> >> > Hello,
> >> > This board has been quiet for a while. But I hope all you supportive
> >moms
> >> are
> >> > somewhere near your computers. I am having a Mother Moment I think and
> >> need
> >> > some real good advice soon.
> >> > okay here is the situation.
> >> > My dd is 81/2.
> >> > Over the weekend while she was at my girlfriends house, I went on a
> >> cleaning
> >> > spree. In the process I found a pair of undies that I just bought for
> >her
> >>
> >> > last weekend, rolled in a ball under her bed. There was signs of
> >> "spotting"
> >> > on them .
> >> > Okay I know this is normal but 81/2? Isnt that a bit young , I was 11
> >> myself
> >> > my sisters were both 14, my bestfriend was almost 16. Although I
> believe
> >> my
> >> > husbands sisters were younger than that?
> >> > Anyway I asked her about it and she seemed to not know what I was
> >talking
> >>
> >> > about. I told her it was okay to tell me , even if it was a little
> >> > embarrassing but she insisted so I didnt push the issue. I called my
> >> > bestfriend who has a 12yod that went through this over the summer. Her
> >10
> >> yod
> >> > just had a class on this in school she had some booklets tha she gave
> me
> >> to
> >> > bring home to my dd. which I did and she read them on her own , I left
> >> them
> >> > out for her. when I asked her about it , she said "Mom that is sick!"
> I
> >> > tried to make light of it and giggled and said I know but do you have
> >any
> >>
> >> > questions? She said no and I thought maybe I should drop the subject
> for
> >> now
> >> > .What do you guys think? I know shes a bit young to be able to grasp
> >this
> >>
> >> > concept , so I dont want to freak her out, but at the same time I want
> >to
> >>
> >> > make sure she knows what shes doing too. She absolutely hates to go to
> >> the
> >> > Drs. and I think she is too young for that kind of Dr. Does anyone
> >agree?
> >> The
> >> > booklet also said that its okay to use Tampons for swimming, ?????? For
> >> an 8
> >> > yo? I think not.
> >> > Anybody have answers or ideas as to handle this situation?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > HELP!!
> >> > Not ready Mom
> >> > Tamie
> >> >
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Hi -- I just HAD to chime on on this one!! My dd (8 1/2) started last
month! I thought it was a bit young, too, but it wasn't just spotting -
she actually started. I spoke to her pediatrician and he doesn't
recommend any type of GYN exam until she is about 16 or so unless there
are problems. He also suggested AGAINST tampons until she has finished
growing ... something about it possibly affecting growth and maturity of
her internal genital organs?? I'm not sure about that but I am definitely
against tampons in 'children.' Maybe when she is a teen (or better yet,
an adult) she can make that decision but for now ... no.

I remember when I was a kid they made 'mini' pads that were just the
right size for teens. I couldn't find them anywhere! It seems all they
have now are the thin maxis and they are too wide. I finially found a
non-thin maxi that is pretty narrow (generic brand, it figures) and they
seemed to work.

Oddly, she handled it just fine ... Mommy is the one who freaked out! I
can't believe how young kids are 'growing up' these days. I decided it
was a good time to cover that in a health unit (not geared towards her
but just general information and teaching). She took to this pretty
well. I found a site owned by Tampax (go figure) that sent a free
teaching packet including a video tape. I took out the parts that dealt
with tampons and used it as a very informative addition to our health
unit. It had a full color diagram of reproductive organs and was
presented in a very 'biologic' fashion. It seemed to make it easier for
her to talk about when we were taking about 'women in general' instead of
her. It even covered puberty in males, as well, so it didn't seem like I
was focusing on her. I can't find the web site off hand but if
interested I will look for it.

<<Putting on a cup of tea just thinking about my 'baby' growing up so
early>> Want to join me? :-)

If I can help, let me know. We seem to be on the same path at the
moment. God Bless you and your daughter.

Sandi


On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:06:20 EDT Tamilooch@... writes:
> Hello,
> This board has been quiet for a while. But I hope all you supportive
> moms are
> somewhere near your computers. I am having a Mother Moment I think
> and need
> some real good advice soon.
> okay here is the situation.
> My dd is 81/2.
> Over the weekend while she was at my girlfriends house, I went on a
> cleaning
> spree. In the process I found a pair of undies that I just bought
> for her
> last weekend, rolled in a ball under her bed. There was signs of
> "spotting"
> on them .
> Okay I know this is normal but 81/2? Isnt that a bit young , I was
> 11 myself
> my sisters were both 14, my bestfriend was almost 16. Although I
> believe my
> husbands sisters were younger than that?
> Anyway I asked her about it and she seemed to not know what I was
> talking
> about. I told her it was okay to tell me , even if it was a little
> embarrassing but she insisted so I didnt push the issue. I called my
>
> bestfriend who has a 12yod that went through this over the summer.
> Her 10 yod
> just had a class on this in school she had some booklets tha she
> gave me to
> bring home to my dd. which I did and she read them on her own , I
> left them
> out for her. when I asked her about it , she said "Mom that is
> sick!" I
> tried to make light of it and giggled and said I know but do you
> have any
> questions? She said no and I thought maybe I should drop the subject
> for now
> .What do you guys think? I know shes a bit young to be able to grasp
> this
> concept , so I dont want to freak her out, but at the same time I
> want to
> make sure she knows what shes doing too. She absolutely hates to go
> to the
> Drs. and I think she is too young for that kind of Dr. Does anyone
> agree? The
> booklet also said that its okay to use Tampons for swimming, ??????
> For an 8
> yo? I think not.
> Anybody have answers or ideas as to handle this situation?
>
>
> HELP!!
> Not ready Mom
> Tamie
>
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Dear Friends,

The following is something I wrote for another list a few weeks ago. It
is about my son, Colton, who is 9 1/2. I thought it might speak to the
hearts of moms who have kids growing up way too fast.

This is perhaps a tacky story to tell you, but if I can't vent to my
kindred spirits I will surely go mad. We have noticed some changes in Colton
lately. He has been emotional and moody. He can spit out his words with the
speed of an auctioneer. He can captain a debating team. He can hold my hand
one minute and be rolling his eyes at me the next. Bud and I have wondered
what is going on with him. We have even gone so far as to ask, "OK, so who
are you, REALLY?"

I finally have it figured out. I can sum up the changes in one single,
horrifying word...

...puberty.

Here's how the mystery was solved. As Colton was about to take a shower last
night, I heard him yank back the shower curtain. Then he yelled for my help.
I ran up to his bathroom to find him naked as the day he was born (only
considerably taller), clutching the shower curtain rod in his hands. This
was nothing new to me because I've experienced it too; the rod will fall
right off the wall if you pull too hard on the curtain. While I was putting
the curtain rod back up, I smelled an unmistakable odor. Was it really?
Could it be? YES, it was.

SWEAT!!!

It didn't take long to pinpoint where the odor was coming from, since I'd
just had my shower. I congratulated Colton on growing up, found him a stick
deodorant in a manly "cool breeze" scent and told him how to use it. Then I
set the deodorant on his bathroom counter, right next to the bottle of hair
gel which has recently taken up residence. Yes, Colton is now *styling* his
hair, whereas six months ago he rarely combed it. He wears it in a style I
think of as "shiny bedhead," but my son assures me this is "cool." I
wouldn't know, as I haven't been cool in 400 years.

Intellectually, I knew my son was growing up. But I don't think with my
head, I think with my heart. And my heart is several years behind. So if
you see me this week, give me a comforting hug. Here is how you will
recognize me: there will be tears in my eyes and I'll be holding Colton's old
teddy bear.

Blessings,
Carol

Sonia Ulan

Hi Tamie:

I think you're handling things very well and I'm sure your daughter is
perfectly normal and healthy. My advice would be to not take her to a
doctor as that will only freak her out. I agree with a previous
response that even after a cycle seems established she doesn't have to
go for years yet. Maybe leave "supplies" out so they are available
should she decide she wants to use them. Even a small pantiliner may
seem less threatening. (Tampons scare me even as an adult and I
recently heard about a cancer risk associated with them.) And I too,
have heard over and over again that the hormones in our food
supply-especially meat and milk-could be responsible for our children
maturing more quickly now. Though I am now 38 years old and I started
my period when I was 10. Your daughter may be right on track. It is a
bit terrifying isn't it? My daughter is 7 1/2 and is a bit curvy
already so I too have wondered and even worried if I could have a
surprise sooner than I am ready!

You'll both be fine,

Sonia

Tamilooch@... wrote:
>
> Thanks Amy,
> I know I seem to be going way too fast just that I was so completely thrown
> off guard by the whole situation. My mom Never explained anything to us so I
> think my sisters and I tend to go overboard on certain subjects. Especially
> the kind "you dont talk about, its just not nice.) Glad I grew up in the 80s
> and the info wasnt hard to come by even if I would have rathered hear it
> from mom. Anyway I think your right that she dosnt need a Dr. right now, and
> Im so relieved to hear you say that because getting her into the Dr. office
> of the ped. she has had since she was 2 is a process. She really hates it.
> She wont even pee in the cup, we have to bring it home. I also do not think
> it is an injury as she tends to be somewhat of a hypercondriac(sp) (thats
> just my way of saying she loves to make sure I tend to all her boo bos.) She
> definately would have said something to me. And as for utis and fisures Im
> not sure so I think well just keep and eye on it and see if we need to see
> the DR.
> Thanks for keeping me grounded.
> I really appreciate it.
> Tamie
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Hi Lynda;

Please don't stop the "ranting". I could learn a lot from you!

Sonia

Lynda wrote:
>
> Well, I started at 9, back in the dark ages (50's) as did several other
> members of my family. So, some
> pre-spotting prior to that age doesn't sound too out there.
>
> Now, as to the tampons. That whole business about it being o.k. is simply
> manufacturers trying to get more customers. When I went through the
> classes back in the dark ages, we were told they were definately not o.k.
> for anyone who wasn't sexually active and were really not designed for
> anyone who hadn't had a child yet.
>
> We now know that they contain Dioxin and this push for younger and younger
> girls to use tampons would seem to correlate with the increase in various
> cancers and the younger and younger age that women are getting cancer
> (ovarian, cervical, uterine and breast).
>
> Now, this is really weird because this seems to be a topic on several lists
> right now so I have my whole Dioxin speel down. Dioxin is in the top 10 of
> known carcenogens. It is the "evil" from Love Canal, etc. It is fat
> soluable, not water soluable which means it resides in fatty tissues and is
> found in humans, mammals, birds and fish and seeks them out, so to speak.
> Dioxin is the by-product of the bleaching process that cotton goes through
> and is residual. Rayon is also another problem as are the chemicals that
> are put in tampons. There are unbleached tampons available that are
> chemical free.
>
> Lynda, who will stop ranting now %-}
>
> ----------
> > From: Tamilooch@...
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> > Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 12:06 PM
> >
> > Hello,
> > This board has been quiet for a while. But I hope all you supportive moms
> are
> > somewhere near your computers. I am having a Mother Moment I think and
> need
> > some real good advice soon.
> > okay here is the situation.
> > My dd is 81/2.
> > Over the weekend while she was at my girlfriends house, I went on a
> cleaning
> > spree. In the process I found a pair of undies that I just bought for her
>
> > last weekend, rolled in a ball under her bed. There was signs of
> "spotting"
> > on them .
> > Okay I know this is normal but 81/2? Isnt that a bit young , I was 11
> myself
> > my sisters were both 14, my bestfriend was almost 16. Although I believe
> my
> > husbands sisters were younger than that?
> > Anyway I asked her about it and she seemed to not know what I was talking
>
> > about. I told her it was okay to tell me , even if it was a little
> > embarrassing but she insisted so I didnt push the issue. I called my
> > bestfriend who has a 12yod that went through this over the summer. Her 10
> yod
> > just had a class on this in school she had some booklets tha she gave me
> to
> > bring home to my dd. which I did and she read them on her own , I left
> them
> > out for her. when I asked her about it , she said "Mom that is sick!" I
> > tried to make light of it and giggled and said I know but do you have any
>
> > questions? She said no and I thought maybe I should drop the subject for
> now
> > .What do you guys think? I know shes a bit young to be able to grasp this
>
> > concept , so I dont want to freak her out, but at the same time I want to
>
> > make sure she knows what shes doing too. She absolutely hates to go to
> the
> > Drs. and I think she is too young for that kind of Dr. Does anyone agree?
> The
> > booklet also said that its okay to use Tampons for swimming, ?????? For
> an 8
> > yo? I think not.
> > Anybody have answers or ideas as to handle this situation?
> >
> >
> > HELP!!
> > Not ready Mom
> > Tamie
> >
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Sonia Ulan

Ooooohh, I LOVED that. What a testimony! My turn is right around the
corner, it would appear (daughter 7 1/2, son 10). Yikes! Here's your
hug...me next!

Sonia

bcadams997@... wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> The following is something I wrote for another list a few weeks ago. It
> is about my son, Colton, who is 9 1/2. I thought it might speak to the
> hearts of moms who have kids growing up way too fast.
>
> This is perhaps a tacky story to tell you, but if I can't vent to my
> kindred spirits I will surely go mad. We have noticed some changes in Colton
> lately. He has been emotional and moody. He can spit out his words with the
> speed of an auctioneer. He can captain a debating team. He can hold my hand
> one minute and be rolling his eyes at me the next. Bud and I have wondered
> what is going on with him. We have even gone so far as to ask, "OK, so who
> are you, REALLY?"
>
> I finally have it figured out. I can sum up the changes in one single,
> horrifying word...
>
> ...puberty.
>
> Here's how the mystery was solved. As Colton was about to take a shower last
> night, I heard him yank back the shower curtain. Then he yelled for my help.
> I ran up to his bathroom to find him naked as the day he was born (only
> considerably taller), clutching the shower curtain rod in his hands. This
> was nothing new to me because I've experienced it too; the rod will fall
> right off the wall if you pull too hard on the curtain. While I was putting
> the curtain rod back up, I smelled an unmistakable odor. Was it really?
> Could it be? YES, it was.
>
> SWEAT!!!
>
> It didn't take long to pinpoint where the odor was coming from, since I'd
> just had my shower. I congratulated Colton on growing up, found him a stick
> deodorant in a manly "cool breeze" scent and told him how to use it. Then I
> set the deodorant on his bathroom counter, right next to the bottle of hair
> gel which has recently taken up residence. Yes, Colton is now *styling* his
> hair, whereas six months ago he rarely combed it. He wears it in a style I
> think of as "shiny bedhead," but my son assures me this is "cool." I
> wouldn't know, as I haven't been cool in 400 years.
>
> Intellectually, I knew my son was growing up. But I don't think with my
> head, I think with my heart. And my heart is several years behind. So if
> you see me this week, give me a comforting hug. Here is how you will
> recognize me: there will be tears in my eyes and I'll be holding Colton's old
> teddy bear.
>
> Blessings,
> Carol
>
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OH my, I am sitting here with tears in my eyes. No, I am starting to cry.
Nicholas is 9 1/2 too, and the other day I thought he'd been out chewing on
the chives again, but no. It was his little armpits. We laughed about it,
and I showed him the deodorant that dad wears, and he put some on. He was
kind of smiling in an "I told you my armpits stunk" sort of way. He is very
proud of it. Why I didn't think that this was the start of puberty, um, I
just didn't think of it. Now I read this and I just can't stop crying. I
guess that's what it is. I'll need one of those hugs too. Goodness, that
explains the horrible week we've had trying to get him to pick up his room.
And the holding the hand/rolling the eyes. Oh, I can't believe it. You
describe what's going on here. Wait, HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO GROW UP YET. Oh
my. I'm going to go finish this cry. I guess it's nice to know that I'm not
the only one that feels this way.

Brynn~
"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night and day
to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any human
being can fight and never stop fighting."
--e.e. cummings



-----Original Message-----
From: bcadams997@... [mailto:bcadams997@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 2:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis


Dear Friends,

The following is something I wrote for another list a few weeks ago. It
is about my son, Colton, who is 9 1/2. I thought it might speak to the
hearts of moms who have kids growing up way too fast.

This is perhaps a tacky story to tell you, but if I can't vent to my
kindred spirits I will surely go mad. We have noticed some changes in
Colton
lately. He has been emotional and moody. He can spit out his words with
the
speed of an auctioneer. He can captain a debating team. He can hold my
hand
one minute and be rolling his eyes at me the next. Bud and I have wondered
what is going on with him. We have even gone so far as to ask, "OK, so who
are you, REALLY?"

I finally have it figured out. I can sum up the changes in one single,
horrifying word...

...puberty.

Here's how the mystery was solved. As Colton was about to take a shower
last
night, I heard him yank back the shower curtain. Then he yelled for my
help.
I ran up to his bathroom to find him naked as the day he was born (only
considerably taller), clutching the shower curtain rod in his hands. This
was nothing new to me because I've experienced it too; the rod will fall
right off the wall if you pull too hard on the curtain. While I was putting
the curtain rod back up, I smelled an unmistakable odor. Was it really?
Could it be? YES, it was.

SWEAT!!!

It didn't take long to pinpoint where the odor was coming from, since I'd
just had my shower. I congratulated Colton on growing up, found him a stick
deodorant in a manly "cool breeze" scent and told him how to use it. Then I
set the deodorant on his bathroom counter, right next to the bottle of hair
gel which has recently taken up residence. Yes, Colton is now *styling* his
hair, whereas six months ago he rarely combed it. He wears it in a style I
think of as "shiny bedhead," but my son assures me this is "cool." I
wouldn't know, as I haven't been cool in 400 years.

Intellectually, I knew my son was growing up. But I don't think with my
head, I think with my heart. And my heart is several years behind. So if
you see me this week, give me a comforting hug. Here is how you will
recognize me: there will be tears in my eyes and I'll be holding Colton's
old
teddy bear.

Blessings,
Carol

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