Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
Lisa Bugg
? For an 8
There are so many hormones in our food, chicken and milk especially, she
could have had a day where she ate a great deal of synthetic hormone and had
a hormone shift of her own that brought on the spotting. She might not spot
again for a year or more. 9-10 is not too young for the first signs of
puberty. At early 10 my first daughter put on a layer of fat all along her
torso. This is normal. They use it to in the up and coming hormone
production and to make breast and hips out of. <G> I would take processed
chicken and as much dairy as I could out of her diet.
You have done the important part. You have informed her, provided resources.
She knows she can com to you when the idea has had time to sink in and for
other body signs to be noticed. Now you have to do the hard part and let
things unfold at their own pace.
LisaKK
> yo? I think not.Yes, wait......take deep breath and relax and just wait.
> Anybody have answers or ideas as to handle this situation?
>
There are so many hormones in our food, chicken and milk especially, she
could have had a day where she ate a great deal of synthetic hormone and had
a hormone shift of her own that brought on the spotting. She might not spot
again for a year or more. 9-10 is not too young for the first signs of
puberty. At early 10 my first daughter put on a layer of fat all along her
torso. This is normal. They use it to in the up and coming hormone
production and to make breast and hips out of. <G> I would take processed
chicken and as much dairy as I could out of her diet.
You have done the important part. You have informed her, provided resources.
She knows she can com to you when the idea has had time to sink in and for
other body signs to be noticed. Now you have to do the hard part and let
things unfold at their own pace.
LisaKK
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Tamie,
Wow... at 8 1/2, that does seem early, but I'm not sure it seems
too early nowadays. I read somewhere that girls are starting periods at an
earlier age than when their mothers did, and that we, as daughters, may have
started a little earlier than our mothers. My mom is in her late 50's, and
started at about 16. I am in my mid 30's and started at 13. You said you
started I believe at 11, so maybe at almost 9, your daughter's system has
"kicked in". She does seem uneasy talking about it, so giving her some books
is probably a good idea, however, I would suggest these books were not too
graphic and intended for older readers-- maturing physically does not always
equal maturing mentally. I was uneasy talking openly about it with my mom,
too, so looking at books helped me understand in a way that was comfortable
to me. She, too, was always there for me; she gave me the birds and bees
talk, and then gave my bro and me a 4pc set of books on how the body
changes--both boys and girls. My bro dove right into them... I would look at
them by myself in my room...he would ask a thousand questions... I don't
remember asking any! I'm not really sure how old we were, but I know we were
in the middle-upper elem grades. I think you are thinking this out, and
handling it just fine! There are probably lots of moms who feel they are
not exactly ready for their daughter's puberty, especially when it seems to
come on early... trust yourself to handle it in a comfortable way for your
daughter and yourself, I know you will do fine!
Karen
Wow... at 8 1/2, that does seem early, but I'm not sure it seems
too early nowadays. I read somewhere that girls are starting periods at an
earlier age than when their mothers did, and that we, as daughters, may have
started a little earlier than our mothers. My mom is in her late 50's, and
started at about 16. I am in my mid 30's and started at 13. You said you
started I believe at 11, so maybe at almost 9, your daughter's system has
"kicked in". She does seem uneasy talking about it, so giving her some books
is probably a good idea, however, I would suggest these books were not too
graphic and intended for older readers-- maturing physically does not always
equal maturing mentally. I was uneasy talking openly about it with my mom,
too, so looking at books helped me understand in a way that was comfortable
to me. She, too, was always there for me; she gave me the birds and bees
talk, and then gave my bro and me a 4pc set of books on how the body
changes--both boys and girls. My bro dove right into them... I would look at
them by myself in my room...he would ask a thousand questions... I don't
remember asking any! I'm not really sure how old we were, but I know we were
in the middle-upper elem grades. I think you are thinking this out, and
handling it just fine! There are probably lots of moms who feel they are
not exactly ready for their daughter's puberty, especially when it seems to
come on early... trust yourself to handle it in a comfortable way for your
daughter and yourself, I know you will do fine!
Karen
K WORTHEN
Tamie,
I think you need to slow down a bit. This spotting may or may not be the
begining of her periods and I think it might be a little premature to be
talking about GYN visits and tampon use. First of all, if it is her periods
starting her pediatritian can help, I know I sarted my periods 3 years
before my first GYN visit and you probably don't need a doctor at all. I'm
not sure about tampon use in 8 year olds, but I would imagine if you've got
your periods it's o.k. to use them. They do make a junior size. Also
remember that the spotting could be from something else. I remember when my
cousin was young she fell onto the cross bar of her bike and bled vaginally
for a few days. And, barring any injuries ( which I'm sure she would have
told you about) there can be other physical contidions (such as uti's and
rectal fisures) that could have produced the bleeding. That's where the
pedi. would come into play. My 7yo. dd had acouple of days of spotting a few
months back. Nothing ever came of it and she did not start her periods. I
hope I'm not going on too much here. What ever the situation turns out to be
I wish you and your daughter luck. Keep us posted.
Amy
I think you need to slow down a bit. This spotting may or may not be the
begining of her periods and I think it might be a little premature to be
talking about GYN visits and tampon use. First of all, if it is her periods
starting her pediatritian can help, I know I sarted my periods 3 years
before my first GYN visit and you probably don't need a doctor at all. I'm
not sure about tampon use in 8 year olds, but I would imagine if you've got
your periods it's o.k. to use them. They do make a junior size. Also
remember that the spotting could be from something else. I remember when my
cousin was young she fell onto the cross bar of her bike and bled vaginally
for a few days. And, barring any injuries ( which I'm sure she would have
told you about) there can be other physical contidions (such as uti's and
rectal fisures) that could have produced the bleeding. That's where the
pedi. would come into play. My 7yo. dd had acouple of days of spotting a few
months back. Nothing ever came of it and she did not start her periods. I
hope I'm not going on too much here. What ever the situation turns out to be
I wish you and your daughter luck. Keep us posted.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: <Tamilooch@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> Hello,
> This board has been quiet for a while. But I hope all you supportive moms
are
> somewhere near your computers. I am having a Mother Moment I think and
need
> some real good advice soon.
> okay here is the situation.
> My dd is 81/2.
> Over the weekend while she was at my girlfriends house, I went on a
cleaning
> spree. In the process I found a pair of undies that I just bought for her
> last weekend, rolled in a ball under her bed. There was signs of
"spotting"
> on them .
> Okay I know this is normal but 81/2? Isnt that a bit young , I was 11
myself
> my sisters were both 14, my bestfriend was almost 16. Although I believe
my
> husbands sisters were younger than that?
> Anyway I asked her about it and she seemed to not know what I was talking
> about. I told her it was okay to tell me , even if it was a little
> embarrassing but she insisted so I didnt push the issue. I called my
> bestfriend who has a 12yod that went through this over the summer. Her 10
yod
> just had a class on this in school she had some booklets tha she gave me
to
> bring home to my dd. which I did and she read them on her own , I left
them
> out for her. when I asked her about it , she said "Mom that is sick!" I
> tried to make light of it and giggled and said I know but do you have any
> questions? She said no and I thought maybe I should drop the subject for
now
> .What do you guys think? I know shes a bit young to be able to grasp this
> concept , so I dont want to freak her out, but at the same time I want to
> make sure she knows what shes doing too. She absolutely hates to go to the
> Drs. and I think she is too young for that kind of Dr. Does anyone agree?
The
> booklet also said that its okay to use Tampons for swimming, ?????? For an
8
> yo? I think not.
> Anybody have answers or ideas as to handle this situation?
>
>
> HELP!!
> Not ready Mom
> Tamie
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Lynda
Well, I started at 9, back in the dark ages (50's) as did several other
members of my family. So, some
pre-spotting prior to that age doesn't sound too out there.
Now, as to the tampons. That whole business about it being o.k. is simply
manufacturers trying to get more customers. When I went through the
classes back in the dark ages, we were told they were definately not o.k.
for anyone who wasn't sexually active and were really not designed for
anyone who hadn't had a child yet.
We now know that they contain Dioxin and this push for younger and younger
girls to use tampons would seem to correlate with the increase in various
cancers and the younger and younger age that women are getting cancer
(ovarian, cervical, uterine and breast).
Now, this is really weird because this seems to be a topic on several lists
right now so I have my whole Dioxin speel down. Dioxin is in the top 10 of
known carcenogens. It is the "evil" from Love Canal, etc. It is fat
soluable, not water soluable which means it resides in fatty tissues and is
found in humans, mammals, birds and fish and seeks them out, so to speak.
Dioxin is the by-product of the bleaching process that cotton goes through
and is residual. Rayon is also another problem as are the chemicals that
are put in tampons. There are unbleached tampons available that are
chemical free.
Lynda, who will stop ranting now %-}
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members of my family. So, some
pre-spotting prior to that age doesn't sound too out there.
Now, as to the tampons. That whole business about it being o.k. is simply
manufacturers trying to get more customers. When I went through the
classes back in the dark ages, we were told they were definately not o.k.
for anyone who wasn't sexually active and were really not designed for
anyone who hadn't had a child yet.
We now know that they contain Dioxin and this push for younger and younger
girls to use tampons would seem to correlate with the increase in various
cancers and the younger and younger age that women are getting cancer
(ovarian, cervical, uterine and breast).
Now, this is really weird because this seems to be a topic on several lists
right now so I have my whole Dioxin speel down. Dioxin is in the top 10 of
known carcenogens. It is the "evil" from Love Canal, etc. It is fat
soluable, not water soluable which means it resides in fatty tissues and is
found in humans, mammals, birds and fish and seeks them out, so to speak.
Dioxin is the by-product of the bleaching process that cotton goes through
and is residual. Rayon is also another problem as are the chemicals that
are put in tampons. There are unbleached tampons available that are
chemical free.
Lynda, who will stop ranting now %-}
----------
> From: Tamilooch@...are
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 12:06 PM
>
> Hello,
> This board has been quiet for a while. But I hope all you supportive moms
> somewhere near your computers. I am having a Mother Moment I think andneed
> some real good advice soon.cleaning
> okay here is the situation.
> My dd is 81/2.
> Over the weekend while she was at my girlfriends house, I went on a
> spree. In the process I found a pair of undies that I just bought for her"spotting"
> last weekend, rolled in a ball under her bed. There was signs of
> on them .myself
> Okay I know this is normal but 81/2? Isnt that a bit young , I was 11
> my sisters were both 14, my bestfriend was almost 16. Although I believemy
> husbands sisters were younger than that?yod
> Anyway I asked her about it and she seemed to not know what I was talking
> about. I told her it was okay to tell me , even if it was a little
> embarrassing but she insisted so I didnt push the issue. I called my
> bestfriend who has a 12yod that went through this over the summer. Her 10
> just had a class on this in school she had some booklets tha she gave meto
> bring home to my dd. which I did and she read them on her own , I leftthem
> out for her. when I asked her about it , she said "Mom that is sick!" Inow
> tried to make light of it and giggled and said I know but do you have any
> questions? She said no and I thought maybe I should drop the subject for
> .What do you guys think? I know shes a bit young to be able to grasp thisthe
> concept , so I dont want to freak her out, but at the same time I want to
> make sure she knows what shes doing too. She absolutely hates to go to
> Drs. and I think she is too young for that kind of Dr. Does anyone agree?The
> booklet also said that its okay to use Tampons for swimming, ?????? Foran 8
> yo? I think not.
> Anybody have answers or ideas as to handle this situation?
>
>
> HELP!!
> Not ready Mom
> Tamie
>
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Just dropping in on this very personal topic.
I had toxic shock syndrome when I was 30 from tampon use. I nearly died, and
lost all the skin on the palms of my hands and soles of my feet, along with a
lot of hair. The physicians told me that I was someone who should not use
tampons again.
My 11 year old is going through some of the puberty things. Surprising,
since I was 16 when I started, and my pediatrician says like mom, like
daughter. Anyways, she knows my story and is only using pads, at least for
the time being, at her choice.
Marcie
I had toxic shock syndrome when I was 30 from tampon use. I nearly died, and
lost all the skin on the palms of my hands and soles of my feet, along with a
lot of hair. The physicians told me that I was someone who should not use
tampons again.
My 11 year old is going through some of the puberty things. Surprising,
since I was 16 when I started, and my pediatrician says like mom, like
daughter. Anyways, she knows my story and is only using pads, at least for
the time being, at her choice.
Marcie
Lisa Bugg
>my
> Intellectually, I knew my son was growing up. But I don't think with
> head, I think with my heart. And my heart is several years behind. So ifold
> you see me this week, give me a comforting hug. Here is how you will
> recognize me: there will be tears in my eyes and I'll be holding Colton's
> teddy bear.Carol,
You can sit next to me on the park bench. I'll be the one holding 26
books about fire engines and pictures of the little boy wearing a basket on
his head. (it touched the back of his neck, like a real fireman's
hat.......) You know the one who used to scream if I left the room, but
today has wandered off and I haven't seen him in hours.
LisaKK
Anita Bower
I found this discussion interesting as I have only a son, no daughter. My
son, now 11, has known about menstrual periods as long as I can remember.
It was just part of the bathroom thing like peeing and pooping. He knew I
had periods before it ever occured to him to be embarassed about it, so, it
is quite a natural process for him now.
I find it interesting that although I am a rather prudish person in my way
of dressing, I have felt quite comfortable talking to my son about sexual
topic as he brought them up. Answering only what he asked has always
worked for us. As he is a question asker, we have covered just about
everything in this way (but not wet dreams yet, as I don't really
understand them and I've asked my husband to talk about it, and I don't
think he has yet).
Anita
At 05:49 PM 4/11/2000 -0500, you wrote:
who can shear through the many, and reach the truth. And that is you, by
what light falls for you to show the way." Brother Cadfael in "The Devil's
Novice" by Ellis Peters.
son, now 11, has known about menstrual periods as long as I can remember.
It was just part of the bathroom thing like peeing and pooping. He knew I
had periods before it ever occured to him to be embarassed about it, so, it
is quite a natural process for him now.
I find it interesting that although I am a rather prudish person in my way
of dressing, I have felt quite comfortable talking to my son about sexual
topic as he brought them up. Answering only what he asked has always
worked for us. As he is a question asker, we have covered just about
everything in this way (but not wet dreams yet, as I don't really
understand them and I've asked my husband to talk about it, and I don't
think he has yet).
Anita
At 05:49 PM 4/11/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>>"There are many will claim to tell you what is due from you, but only one
>> Intellectually, I knew my son was growing up. But I don't think with
>my
>> head, I think with my heart. And my heart is several years behind. So if
>> you see me this week, give me a comforting hug. Here is how you will
>> recognize me: there will be tears in my eyes and I'll be holding Colton's
>old
>> teddy bear.
>
>
>Carol,
> You can sit next to me on the park bench. I'll be the one holding 26
>books about fire engines and pictures of the little boy wearing a basket on
>his head. (it touched the back of his neck, like a real fireman's
>hat.......) You know the one who used to scream if I left the room, but
>today has wandered off and I haven't seen him in hours.
>
>LisaKK
>
>
>
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who can shear through the many, and reach the truth. And that is you, by
what light falls for you to show the way." Brother Cadfael in "The Devil's
Novice" by Ellis Peters.
Lynda
For those that don't have a store that carries the organic tampons and
pads, you can order them from Harmony. Their website is www.gaiam.com
Lynda
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pads, you can order them from Harmony. Their website is www.gaiam.com
Lynda
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> From: susan <fxfireob@...>they're
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 9:39 AM
>
> i feel the same way but i do use the organic cotton ones. i feel
> worth extra money.had any
>
> -susan
>
> B & T Simpson wrote:
>
> > Have to say here, I have been using tampons since day one and never
> > problems, my mother on the other hand got the same line about not usingthem
> > if you were not sexually active, she used them anyway because she was ause
> > swimmer. also no problems for her. and I will encourage my daughter to
> > them, she has used them since half way thru her first period! I can'tuse
> > imagine being without them.
> > Tanya
> >
> > >I'm just curios to know... how many of the people that are against the
> > >of tampons use or have used disposable diapers on their children? Itis a
> > >fact that the chemical in the gel used to make disp. diapers soabsorbant
> > isIt's
> > >the same chemical that was removed from tampons in 1988 because it was
> > >linked to TSS. And we have this pressing against our children's
> > reproductive
> > >oragans 24/7? I don't want anyone to think this is a personal slam.
> > >not. I use them for my kids from time to time. I'm just saying thatperhaps
> > >we should rethink our stance from time to time. FYI this gel is alsothe
> > >same one that is used to coat Tylenol and other gel caps. Is it reallyall
> > >objective to make blanket statements about the use of tampons when we
> > >can't be so noble to say we've never used any of these other products.I
> > >hate conflict and don't want anyone to think I'm looking for a fight.I
> > justother
> > >think we all need to examine oue daily practices a liitle closer.
> > > amy
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> > >To: <[email protected]>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:48 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> > >
> > >
> > >> Well, I started at 9, back in the dark ages (50's) as did several
> > >> members of my family. So, someo.k.
> > >> pre-spotting prior to that age doesn't sound too out there.
> > >>
> > >> Now, as to the tampons. That whole business about it being o.k. is
> > simply
> > >> manufacturers trying to get more customers. When I went through the
> > >> classes back in the dark ages, we were told they were definately not
> > >> for anyone who wasn't sexually active and were really not designedfor
> > >> anyone who hadn't had a child yet.various
> > >>
> > >> We now know that they contain Dioxin and this push for younger and
> > younger
> > >> girls to use tampons would seem to correlate with the increase in
> > >> cancers and the younger and younger age that women are gettingcancer
> > >> (ovarian, cervical, uterine and breast).several
> > >>
> > >> Now, this is really weird because this seems to be a topic on
> > >liststop 10
> > >> right now so I have my whole Dioxin speel down. Dioxin is in the
> > >offat
> > >> known carcenogens. It is the "evil" from Love Canal, etc. It is
> > >> soluable, not water soluable which means it resides in fatty tissuesand
> > >isspeak.
> > >> found in humans, mammals, birds and fish and seeks them out, so to
> > >> Dioxin is the by-product of the bleaching process that cotton goesthat
> > through
> > >> and is residual. Rayon is also another problem as are the chemicals
> > >> are put in tampons. There are unbleached tampons available that aresupportive
> > >> chemical free.
> > >>
> > >> Lynda, who will stop ranting now %-}
> > >>
> > >> ----------
> > >> > From: Tamilooch@...
> > >> > To: [email protected]
> > >> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Parental Crisis
> > >> > Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 12:06 PM
> > >> >
> > >> > Hello,
> > >> > This board has been quiet for a while. But I hope all you
> > >momsand
> > >> are
> > >> > somewhere near your computers. I am having a Mother Moment I think
> > >> needa
> > >> > some real good advice soon.
> > >> > okay here is the situation.
> > >> > My dd is 81/2.
> > >> > Over the weekend while she was at my girlfriends house, I went on
> > >> cleaningfor
> > >> > spree. In the process I found a pair of undies that I just bought
> > >her11
> > >>
> > >> > last weekend, rolled in a ball under her bed. There was signs of
> > >> "spotting"
> > >> > on them .
> > >> > Okay I know this is normal but 81/2? Isnt that a bit young , I was
> > >> myselfmy
> > >> > my sisters were both 14, my bestfriend was almost 16. Although I
> > believe
> > >> my
> > >> > husbands sisters were younger than that?
> > >> > Anyway I asked her about it and she seemed to not know what I was
> > >talking
> > >>
> > >> > about. I told her it was okay to tell me , even if it was a little
> > >> > embarrassing but she insisted so I didnt push the issue. I called
> > >> > bestfriend who has a 12yod that went through this over the summer.Her
> > >10gave
> > >> yod
> > >> > just had a class on this in school she had some booklets tha she
> > meleft
> > >> to
> > >> > bring home to my dd. which I did and she read them on her own , I
> > >> themsick!"
> > >> > out for her. when I asked her about it , she said "Mom that is
> > Ihave
> > >> > tried to make light of it and giggled and said I know but do you
> > >anysubject
> > >>
> > >> > questions? She said no and I thought maybe I should drop the
> > forgrasp
> > >> now
> > >> > .What do you guys think? I know shes a bit young to be able to
> > >thiswant
> > >>
> > >> > concept , so I dont want to freak her out, but at the same time I
> > >togo to
> > >>
> > >> > make sure she knows what shes doing too. She absolutely hates to
> > >> the?????? For
> > >> > Drs. and I think she is too young for that kind of Dr. Does anyone
> > >agree?
> > >> The
> > >> > booklet also said that its okay to use Tampons for swimming,
> > >> an 8------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > yo? I think not.
> > >> > Anybody have answers or ideas as to handle this situation?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > HELP!!
> > >> > Not ready Mom
> > >> > Tamie
> > >> >
> > >>
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Susan and Theodore
Here try this website
www.notmilk.com
there is info about early maturity etc
AHHHH
POD
www.notmilk.com
there is info about early maturity etc
AHHHH
POD