Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] looking for work
Judie C. Rall
They have a one day class that shows you how to put
together a resume.
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None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.
And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
job.
Judie
together a resume.
********************************************
None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.
And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
job.
Judie
Judie C. Rall
> It sounds to me like you or he are picking up the applications and then you arefilling them out and one of you returns the application.
He picks up the applications, brings them home and fills them out so
that if there is any information he doesn't know, he can ask me. But
he fills out the application and returns it himself.
He's registered with the employment office now, so maybe that will
generate some leads.
Judie
Judie C. Rall
> Does he have any volunteer experience? That is okay to put on a beginningHe has never been interested in volunteering, so he doesn't have that
> resume.
> You can get real creative with different experiences.
kind of experience.
> BTW, did I read your first post on this right? You are filling out theNo, he fills them out.
> applications for him? Let him fill them out.
> Where is he applying? He should ask to speak with a manager or supervisor,I have told him all this, but I remember how little self-confidence I
> shake hands with them, request an application, and then fill it out neatly. He
> should go dressed nice and take his own pen, and have the addresses and phone
> numbers of his references so he doesn't have to ask for a phone book.
> ~Nancy
had at that age, I would never have gone up and introduced myself to
someone and shook their hand. I think he's a little embarrassed at
having to put himself out there. I also don't think he believes me
when I say you have to sell yourself, you have to make them want you.
I will keep encouraging him, maybe eventually he will get tired of
just filling out applications and will get a little more assertive.
Judie
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Kimberly Fry
>>>>> My son is 18 years old, and looking for a full time job. We have filled out so many job applications, and have not gotten a single call-back. I am wondering what you all had your children put on their job applications.When it says "high school" I started out just putting "homeschool" but wondered if I would be better off making up a name for our school <<<<<
I doubt putting *homeschool* is the reason he is not finding a job. There are numerous reasons one applicant is hired over another.
It sounds to me like you or he are picking up the applications and then you are filling them out and one of you returns the application. If the positions require reading or the ability to write neatly and they suspect he did not fill out the application, that may be the reason why. It would be better for him to go in *dressed for an interview* and fill out the application while there. He may or may not get an interview at that time, but should dress as if he would.
He needs to look at the way he is dressing: hair (cut and color), facial / tongue piercings, cleanliness, and neatness of clothing. In the past we have not hired people for reasons based on those things.
Call your local Oklahoma Employment Security Commission office www.oesc.state.ok.us. They have a one day class that shows you how to put together a resume (should be customized for each different application), how to interview (dress and attitude), how to look for jobs, how to make your past experiences relevant to possible opportunities, etc. Some of the offices may also have a longer class that goes into more depth. This is all free and they really can be helpful while he is looking.
Hope he finds what he is looking for soon!
Kim
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Mary
From: "Judie C. Rall" <adonai@...>
<< It sounds to me like you or he are picking up the applications and then
you are
filling them out and one of you returns the application.
He picks up the applications, brings them home and fills them out so
that if there is any information he doesn't know, he can ask me. But
he fills out the application and returns it himself.
He's registered with the employment office now, so maybe that will
generate some leads.>>
Well my oldest isn't homeschooled but she did find a job on her own at 16
with only short previous experience. She always filled out the app right
there and then. Gives the employer a chance to see the person, make sure
they know what they are doing and also to observe them if they are
interested at all. My daughter made sure she was always appropriately
dressed and polite and cheerful. She would ask questions about the job
instead of just handing the app in. Like when will someone review it or get
back to her. Making it so they knew she really wanted the job and wanted to
hear from them. She let them know right up front when she was available and
what she would like to do. Even if there was no interview. A lot of times
even people taking the application and not interviewing are in a postion to
make suggestions to the manager. She also always followed up on those apps
she turned in. Wanting to know if they made a decision or not and to keep
her in mind if they would be hiring more people later. The first time she
went looking was in late Sept. early Oct. A slow time around here. She
followed up again with new stores and also the ones from before in late Oct.
early Nov. when hiring for the holidays is needed. She got a great job at
Old Navy and did so well they kept her and she's head cashier now. So if the
person seems like they really want the job and are eager and willing to
work, sometimes the timing is off. Tell your son to keep trying and not give
up. Sometimes one can assume they won't get hired and well the attitude kind
of follows you around. Tell him good luck.
Mary B.
http://www.homeschoolingtshirts.com
<< It sounds to me like you or he are picking up the applications and then
you are
filling them out and one of you returns the application.
He picks up the applications, brings them home and fills them out so
that if there is any information he doesn't know, he can ask me. But
he fills out the application and returns it himself.
He's registered with the employment office now, so maybe that will
generate some leads.>>
Well my oldest isn't homeschooled but she did find a job on her own at 16
with only short previous experience. She always filled out the app right
there and then. Gives the employer a chance to see the person, make sure
they know what they are doing and also to observe them if they are
interested at all. My daughter made sure she was always appropriately
dressed and polite and cheerful. She would ask questions about the job
instead of just handing the app in. Like when will someone review it or get
back to her. Making it so they knew she really wanted the job and wanted to
hear from them. She let them know right up front when she was available and
what she would like to do. Even if there was no interview. A lot of times
even people taking the application and not interviewing are in a postion to
make suggestions to the manager. She also always followed up on those apps
she turned in. Wanting to know if they made a decision or not and to keep
her in mind if they would be hiring more people later. The first time she
went looking was in late Sept. early Oct. A slow time around here. She
followed up again with new stores and also the ones from before in late Oct.
early Nov. when hiring for the holidays is needed. She got a great job at
Old Navy and did so well they kept her and she's head cashier now. So if the
person seems like they really want the job and are eager and willing to
work, sometimes the timing is off. Tell your son to keep trying and not give
up. Sometimes one can assume they won't get hired and well the attitude kind
of follows you around. Tell him good luck.
Mary B.
http://www.homeschoolingtshirts.com
Holly Furgason
--- In [email protected], "Judie C. Rall"
<adonai@s...> wrote:
goes to fill out applications. It has all the dates, places,
telephone numbers, etc. he'll need. It's so much easier that way
than to have to try to think of everything everytime. It also helps
him with the spelling. ;-)
If there's not enough for an information sheet, start thinking about
some type of volunteering that can be used for not only experience
but references. He can also put skills and training on there. If
there's nothing he can think of, he may need to start working on that
too. It doesn't have to be formally learn skills; if he can learn
how to make web pages at home, that'll work. Even if it's not a
skill they're looking for, it shows he's motivated and capable.
It's a tough market out there and he needs to set himself apart
somehow and just keep going.
Holly
<adonai@s...> wrote:
> He picks up the applications, brings them home and fills them outso
> that if there is any information he doesn't know, he can ask me.But
> he fills out the application and returns it himself.Ds (also 18) prints out an information sheet for his own use when he
goes to fill out applications. It has all the dates, places,
telephone numbers, etc. he'll need. It's so much easier that way
than to have to try to think of everything everytime. It also helps
him with the spelling. ;-)
If there's not enough for an information sheet, start thinking about
some type of volunteering that can be used for not only experience
but references. He can also put skills and training on there. If
there's nothing he can think of, he may need to start working on that
too. It doesn't have to be formally learn skills; if he can learn
how to make web pages at home, that'll work. Even if it's not a
skill they're looking for, it shows he's motivated and capable.
It's a tough market out there and he needs to set himself apart
somehow and just keep going.
Holly
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/7/03 10:57:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
adonai@... writes:
None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.
And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
job.
Judie
Does he have any volunteer experience? That is okay to put on a beginning
resume.
You can get real creative with different experiences.
BTW, did I read your first post on this right? You are filling out the
applications for him? Let him fill them out.
Where is he applying? He should ask to speak with a manager or supervisor,
shake hands with them, request an application, and then fill it out neatly. He
should go dressed nice and take his own pen, and have the addresses and phone
numbers of his references so he doesn't have to ask for a phone book.
~Nancy
People always call it luck when you've acted more sensibly than they have.
Anne Tyler
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adonai@... writes:
None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.
And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
job.
Judie
Does he have any volunteer experience? That is okay to put on a beginning
resume.
You can get real creative with different experiences.
BTW, did I read your first post on this right? You are filling out the
applications for him? Let him fill them out.
Where is he applying? He should ask to speak with a manager or supervisor,
shake hands with them, request an application, and then fill it out neatly. He
should go dressed nice and take his own pen, and have the addresses and phone
numbers of his references so he doesn't have to ask for a phone book.
~Nancy
People always call it luck when you've acted more sensibly than they have.
Anne Tyler
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/7/03 10:57:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
adonai@... writes:
None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.
And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
job.
Judie
Does he have any volunteer experience? That is okay to put on a beginning
resume.
You can get real creative with different experiences. Besides, you don't have
to wait to be asked to submit a resume. He can also list his objectives on a
resume. Things like what he wants and expects in a position, what he feels he
can bring to a job, things like that.
BTW, did I read your first post on this right? You are filling out the
applications for him? Let him fill them out.
Where is he applying? He should ask to speak with a manager or supervisor,
shake hands with them, request an application, and then fill it out neatly. He
should go dressed nice and take his own pen, and have the addresses and phone
numbers of his references so he doesn't have to ask for a phone book.
~Nancy
People always call it luck when you've acted more sensibly than they have.
Anne Tyler
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adonai@... writes:
None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.
And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
job.
Judie
Does he have any volunteer experience? That is okay to put on a beginning
resume.
You can get real creative with different experiences. Besides, you don't have
to wait to be asked to submit a resume. He can also list his objectives on a
resume. Things like what he wants and expects in a position, what he feels he
can bring to a job, things like that.
BTW, did I read your first post on this right? You are filling out the
applications for him? Let him fill them out.
Where is he applying? He should ask to speak with a manager or supervisor,
shake hands with them, request an application, and then fill it out neatly. He
should go dressed nice and take his own pen, and have the addresses and phone
numbers of his references so he doesn't have to ask for a phone book.
~Nancy
People always call it luck when you've acted more sensibly than they have.
Anne Tyler
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Kimberly Fry
In a message dated 9/7/03 10:57:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
adonai@... writes:
None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.
And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
job.
A resume will set him apart, if it is neatly done and pertinent. Everyone has something to put on a resume. A "functional" resume emphasizes skills rather than employment. Instead of date/job title/skills and responsibilties, it has skills/description of how learned. He can get a sample at the employment office. It could have different types of experience such as unpaid/volunteer work or other activities. This is the best type for someone with no previous employment.
A resume and application basically have the exact same information on them. Even with a resume, he would still need to completely fill out an application. So, a *master application* might be best for him. It is just a generic appliation with the blanks filled in. Applications all ask the same basic questions. This way when he goes to get an application, he has all the info right there with him. (This shows preparation.)
When we had a family business, I did much of the interviewing. Generally, we hired entry level (delivery/warehouse), and then promoted them if they were willing and able to stick it out. If they filled out the application while there, they received an interview (provided they were neatly dressed, no piercings showing, hair a natural looking color, etc.). ***If they took the application and returned it later, we accepted it, quickly glanced at it, and let them know we would call them later for an interview. We did NOT call very many back over the years.***
Sometimes when people go in to look for a job, they ask the wrong kinds of questions. How much does it pay? How long is the lunch break? How much time off for vacation? IF he's asking questions when he goes in initially, it should be about the company where he's applying.
Even if he is applying for a job where jeans would be appropriate to wear to work, he should probably wear slacks for the application and interview.
If the employment ad came out on a Sunday, he should be going to apply on Monday or Tuesday at the latest. Later in the week and it is sometimes assumed they aren't really interested in the job.
Is he letting everyone know he is looking for a job? Networking with friends is often a great way to get a foot in the door. Even if there's not an opening where they work, they might know of an opening somewhere else. It's also not as cold of an experience when they go in for an interview.
Good luck with the hunt. Finding a job IS a job!
Kim
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adonai@... writes:
None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.
And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
job.
A resume will set him apart, if it is neatly done and pertinent. Everyone has something to put on a resume. A "functional" resume emphasizes skills rather than employment. Instead of date/job title/skills and responsibilties, it has skills/description of how learned. He can get a sample at the employment office. It could have different types of experience such as unpaid/volunteer work or other activities. This is the best type for someone with no previous employment.
A resume and application basically have the exact same information on them. Even with a resume, he would still need to completely fill out an application. So, a *master application* might be best for him. It is just a generic appliation with the blanks filled in. Applications all ask the same basic questions. This way when he goes to get an application, he has all the info right there with him. (This shows preparation.)
When we had a family business, I did much of the interviewing. Generally, we hired entry level (delivery/warehouse), and then promoted them if they were willing and able to stick it out. If they filled out the application while there, they received an interview (provided they were neatly dressed, no piercings showing, hair a natural looking color, etc.). ***If they took the application and returned it later, we accepted it, quickly glanced at it, and let them know we would call them later for an interview. We did NOT call very many back over the years.***
Sometimes when people go in to look for a job, they ask the wrong kinds of questions. How much does it pay? How long is the lunch break? How much time off for vacation? IF he's asking questions when he goes in initially, it should be about the company where he's applying.
Even if he is applying for a job where jeans would be appropriate to wear to work, he should probably wear slacks for the application and interview.
If the employment ad came out on a Sunday, he should be going to apply on Monday or Tuesday at the latest. Later in the week and it is sometimes assumed they aren't really interested in the job.
Is he letting everyone know he is looking for a job? Networking with friends is often a great way to get a foot in the door. Even if there's not an opening where they work, they might know of an opening somewhere else. It's also not as cold of an experience when they go in for an interview.
Good luck with the hunt. Finding a job IS a job!
Kim
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Judie C. Rall
> Is he letting everyone know he is looking for a job? Networking with friends isoften a great way to get a foot in the door.
Yes, the next door neighbor of a friend works at the local meat
packing plant. He told Josh to fill out the application and give it
to him to turn it, and that if he endorsed it, there was a 95% chance
he'd get the job. Well, they called one day while we were out, and
we tried to call them back, but the woman who was supposed to do the
interview was "gone on vacation". He asked them to call back, but
they never did. This is one of the better paying jobs here in town,
so it was a bummer.
Judie
Judie C. Rall
Kimberly,
I'm in Oklahoma too. Where do you live?
Judie
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I'm in Oklahoma too. Where do you live?
Judie
Catch my Ebay Auctions!
http://www.unhinderedliving.com/ebaypage.html
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/8/03 12:01:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
adonai@... writes:
since a lot of factories have closed and so many people are out of work. My
niece, who is public schooled, stayed with me for about a year, that was a
couple of years ago, but it took her about 6 months to find a job that she thought
she would not mind doing and she had experience.
Pam G
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adonai@... writes:
> He's registered with the employment office now, so maybe that willSometimes it just takes a while. I know here job hunting is hard especially
> generate some leads.
>
>
since a lot of factories have closed and so many people are out of work. My
niece, who is public schooled, stayed with me for about a year, that was a
couple of years ago, but it took her about 6 months to find a job that she thought
she would not mind doing and she had experience.
Pam G
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Heidi
tell me, this service that helps people put together a resume and
learn how to dress for an interview...is that available at any Job
SErvice? My hubby is going to be looking for work, and I thought it
would be a good place to start...How To Present Oneself...
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], Kimberly Fry
<kimberly_fry@y...> wrote:
single call-back. I am wondering what you all had your children put
on their job applications.
<<<<<
another.
application. If the positions require reading or the ability to
write neatly and they suspect he did not fill out the application,
that may be the reason why. It would be better for him to go in
*dressed for an interview* and fill out the application while there.
He may or may not get an interview at that time, but should dress as
if he would.
the past we have not hired people for reasons based on those things.
to put together a resume (should be customized for each different
application), how to interview (dress and attitude), how to look for
jobs, how to make your past experiences relevant to possible
opportunities, etc. Some of the offices may also have a longer class
that goes into more depth. This is all free and they really can be
helpful while he is looking.
learn how to dress for an interview...is that available at any Job
SErvice? My hubby is going to be looking for work, and I thought it
would be a good place to start...How To Present Oneself...
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], Kimberly Fry
<kimberly_fry@y...> wrote:
> >>>>> My son is 18 years old, and looking for a full time job. Wehave filled out so many job applications, and have not gotten a
single call-back. I am wondering what you all had your children put
on their job applications.
>but wondered if I would be better off making up a name for our school
> When it says "high school" I started out just putting "homeschool"
<<<<<
>job. There are numerous reasons one applicant is hired over
>
> I doubt putting *homeschool* is the reason he is not finding a
another.
>then you are filling them out and one of you returns the
> It sounds to me like you or he are picking up the applications and
application. If the positions require reading or the ability to
write neatly and they suspect he did not fill out the application,
that may be the reason why. It would be better for him to go in
*dressed for an interview* and fill out the application while there.
He may or may not get an interview at that time, but should dress as
if he would.
>facial / tongue piercings, cleanliness, and neatness of clothing. In
> He needs to look at the way he is dressing: hair (cut and color),
the past we have not hired people for reasons based on those things.
>www.oesc.state.ok.us. They have a one day class that shows you how
> Call your local Oklahoma Employment Security Commission office
to put together a resume (should be customized for each different
application), how to interview (dress and attitude), how to look for
jobs, how to make your past experiences relevant to possible
opportunities, etc. Some of the offices may also have a longer class
that goes into more depth. This is all free and they really can be
helpful while he is looking.
>
> Hope he finds what he is looking for soon!
> Kim
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Heidi
--- In [email protected], "Judie C. Rall"
<adonai@s...> wrote:
Awards, kudos, achievements? GPA? strengths?
blessings, HeidiC
<adonai@s...> wrote:
>well, could he put on volunteer work he's done? interests? Hobbies?
> They have a one day class that shows you how to put
> together a resume.
>
> ********************************************
>
> None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.
>
> And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
> job.
>
> Judie
Awards, kudos, achievements? GPA? strengths?
blessings, HeidiC
Kimberly Fry
Should be. The local employment offices are run by the state, but federally funded. Guess who makes the rules! I would assume that it would be about the same in any state. Here (Oklahoma) they will give you resume hints, provide computer training modules, interviewing tips, how to job hunt, any kind of help you could need. The one thing I would not recommend is to just register with them and wait for them to find you a job. (It's not likely to happen.)
For an adult (or teen with some experience) I would recommend Harvey Mackay's book, Dig Your Well Before You're Thirsty: The Only Networking Book You'll Ever Need. I strongly believe that networking is the best way, sometimes the only way, to find a job. One tip: Have some nice but inexpensive (black print on white cardstock) business cards printed up with contact information (name, address, phone, cell phone, email, fax) on one side, on the other side a minature description of the type of work he's looking for and/or skill sets that he has. He can give these out when talking to friends. Then they're more likely to remember he's actively looking and recommend him when they hear of something.
Kim
Heidi <bunsofaluminum60@...> wrote:
tell me, this service that helps people put together a resume and
learn how to dress for an interview...is that available at any Job
SErvice? My hubby is going to be looking for work, and I thought it
would be a good place to start...How To Present Oneself...
blessings, HeidiC
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
For an adult (or teen with some experience) I would recommend Harvey Mackay's book, Dig Your Well Before You're Thirsty: The Only Networking Book You'll Ever Need. I strongly believe that networking is the best way, sometimes the only way, to find a job. One tip: Have some nice but inexpensive (black print on white cardstock) business cards printed up with contact information (name, address, phone, cell phone, email, fax) on one side, on the other side a minature description of the type of work he's looking for and/or skill sets that he has. He can give these out when talking to friends. Then they're more likely to remember he's actively looking and recommend him when they hear of something.
Kim
Heidi <bunsofaluminum60@...> wrote:
tell me, this service that helps people put together a resume and
learn how to dress for an interview...is that available at any Job
SErvice? My hubby is going to be looking for work, and I thought it
would be a good place to start...How To Present Oneself...
blessings, HeidiC
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Heidi
Thanks Kimberly
that's a great idea, about the business cards. My husband has
been "retired" for quite a long time, due to medical and other
reasons, but the time has come for more income to be coming our way.
I'm certainly going to be searching out things I can do from home
(proof-reading/editing springs to mind immediately)...but his
confidence and self-eseteem could use the boost as much as our income
could!
I'm printing up all these ideas about resumes, and this one's going
at the top of the page!
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], Kimberly Fry
<kimberly_fry@y...> wrote:
would be about the same in any state. Here (Oklahoma) they will give
you resume hints, provide computer training modules, interviewing
tips, how to job hunt, any kind of help you could need. The one
thing I would not recommend is to just register with them and wait
for them to find you a job. (It's not likely to happen.)
Networking Book You'll Ever Need. I strongly believe that networking
is the best way, sometimes the only way, to find a job. One tip:
Have some nice but inexpensive (black print on white cardstock)
business cards printed up with contact information (name, address,
phone, cell phone, email, fax) on one side, on the other side a
minature description of the type of work he's looking for and/or
skill sets that he has. He can give these out when talking to
friends. Then they're more likely to remember he's actively looking
and recommend him when they hear of something.
that's a great idea, about the business cards. My husband has
been "retired" for quite a long time, due to medical and other
reasons, but the time has come for more income to be coming our way.
I'm certainly going to be searching out things I can do from home
(proof-reading/editing springs to mind immediately)...but his
confidence and self-eseteem could use the boost as much as our income
could!
I'm printing up all these ideas about resumes, and this one's going
at the top of the page!
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], Kimberly Fry
<kimberly_fry@y...> wrote:
> Should be. The local employment offices are run by the state, butfederally funded. Guess who makes the rules! I would assume that it
would be about the same in any state. Here (Oklahoma) they will give
you resume hints, provide computer training modules, interviewing
tips, how to job hunt, any kind of help you could need. The one
thing I would not recommend is to just register with them and wait
for them to find you a job. (It's not likely to happen.)
>Harvey Mackay's book, Dig Your Well Before You're Thirsty: The Only
> For an adult (or teen with some experience) I would recommend
Networking Book You'll Ever Need. I strongly believe that networking
is the best way, sometimes the only way, to find a job. One tip:
Have some nice but inexpensive (black print on white cardstock)
business cards printed up with contact information (name, address,
phone, cell phone, email, fax) on one side, on the other side a
minature description of the type of work he's looking for and/or
skill sets that he has. He can give these out when talking to
friends. Then they're more likely to remember he's actively looking
and recommend him when they hear of something.
>
> Kim
>
>
>
> Heidi <bunsofaluminum60@h...> wrote:
> tell me, this service that helps people put together a resume and
> learn how to dress for an interview...is that available at any Job
> SErvice? My hubby is going to be looking for work, and I thought it
> would be a good place to start...How To Present Oneself...
>
> blessings, HeidiC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 9/8/03 9:44:58 AM, adonai@... writes:
<< Well, they called one day while we were out, and
we tried to call them back, but the woman who was supposed to do the
interview was "gone on vacation". He asked them to call back, but
they never did. >>
He should have asked when HE could call back. Once they had contacted him,
he should have kept returning the call until he talked to the woman who had
called him. People really DO go on vacations.
And not all phone messages get delivered.
And "call me back" isn't the best way for a prospective employee to get
noticed! If I pick up the phone to call someone back (which isn't even all that
likely if he's been called once already) and it rings while my hand's on it, and
it's someone calling back for the second time... bingo!
Sandra
<< Well, they called one day while we were out, and
we tried to call them back, but the woman who was supposed to do the
interview was "gone on vacation". He asked them to call back, but
they never did. >>
He should have asked when HE could call back. Once they had contacted him,
he should have kept returning the call until he talked to the woman who had
called him. People really DO go on vacations.
And not all phone messages get delivered.
And "call me back" isn't the best way for a prospective employee to get
noticed! If I pick up the phone to call someone back (which isn't even all that
likely if he's been called once already) and it rings while my hand's on it, and
it's someone calling back for the second time... bingo!
Sandra
Kimberly Fry
If he's out applying and is going to be gone for the day, he needs to be checking messages. It's best to return the call the same day, or early the next morning at the latest. You cannot expect the interviewer to call when they get back from vacation. I'm sure her desk was piled high with messages and things that did not get done because she was gone. He needs to ask when she'll be back from vacation and then call back at that time. Maybe the neighbor who originally turned in the application could turn in another one, remind the lady about your son, or give your son some idea of what to do. All companies are different.
Kim
"Judie C. Rall" <adonai@...> wrote:
Yes, the next door neighbor of a friend works at the local meat packing plant. He told Josh to fill out the application and give it to him to turn it, and that if he endorsed it, there was a 95% chance he'd get the job. Well, they called one day while we were out, and
we tried to call them back, but the woman who was supposed to do the interview was "gone on vacation". He asked them to call back, but they never did. This is one of the better paying jobs here in town, so it was a bummer.
Judie
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Kim
"Judie C. Rall" <adonai@...> wrote:
Yes, the next door neighbor of a friend works at the local meat packing plant. He told Josh to fill out the application and give it to him to turn it, and that if he endorsed it, there was a 95% chance he'd get the job. Well, they called one day while we were out, and
we tried to call them back, but the woman who was supposed to do the interview was "gone on vacation". He asked them to call back, but they never did. This is one of the better paying jobs here in town, so it was a bummer.
Judie
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[email protected]
that's a great idea, about the business cards
**************************
Use www.Vistaprint.com you can get 250 cards for the cost of shipping (less
than $10). I got some *family cards* with our *school name* to take advantage
of any educator discounts around town. It's nice to have them to hand out
when meeting new people.
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
"You can follow your book and your map of wars, but I'll go and follow my
kids." -- Woody Guthrie
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**************************
Use www.Vistaprint.com you can get 250 cards for the cost of shipping (less
than $10). I got some *family cards* with our *school name* to take advantage
of any educator discounts around town. It's nice to have them to hand out
when meeting new people.
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
"You can follow your book and your map of wars, but I'll go and follow my
kids." -- Woody Guthrie
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[email protected]
In a message dated 9/8/03 10:27:50 AM, HaHaMommy@... writes:
<< I got some *family cards* with our *school name* to take advantage
of any educator discounts around town. It's nice to have them to hand out
when meeting new people.
Holly wanted business cards of her own, and Kirby hands mine out with his
e-mail address written on the back, but we should just make some joint SCHOOL
cards, with all of us listed.
Sandra
<< I got some *family cards* with our *school name* to take advantage
of any educator discounts around town. It's nice to have them to hand out
when meeting new people.
>>That's a good idea!!!
Holly wanted business cards of her own, and Kirby hands mine out with his
e-mail address written on the back, but we should just make some joint SCHOOL
cards, with all of us listed.
Sandra
Kimberly Fry
www.careeronestop.org -- resume how to, salary negotiations, wage & occupational trends, occupational skill & abilities
www.acinet.org -- America's Career InfoNET -- check education, knowledge, skills and abilities against requirements for most occupations
www.alx.org -- America's Learning eXchange -- career development, training,a nd education
www.ajb.org -- America's Job Bank
www.servicelocator.org -- America's Service Locator -- locate public service offices with information on finding a job, planning a career, locating training
Job Skills Online Website:
http://online.onetcenter.org
Job Search / Resume / Interview Sites:
www.Wetfeet.com
www.Snagajob.com
www.Job-hunt.org
www.Jobs@...
www.Myjobsearch.com
www.Careermosaic.com
www.Careersite.com
www.Rileyguide.com
www.Jobdirect.com
www.bestjobsusa.com
www.careershop.com
www.headhunter.net
www.jobweb.com
www.jobfactory.com
www.careerplaybook.com
www.sologigs.com
www.resumepower.com/resume_writing_resources.html
www.review.com
www.Fedworld.gov
www.job-interview.net
www.careertalk.com
www.jobvillage.com
www.ivillage.com
www.dice.com
www.employmentoffice.net
www.4work.com
www.usjobboard.com
www.careerjournal.com
www.careercity.com
www.nationjob.com
www.careerbuilder.com
www.vault.com
www.jobhuntersbible.com
www.autoheadhunter.net
www.monster.com
www.ns.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/english/Career/pathways/interview.htm
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www.acinet.org -- America's Career InfoNET -- check education, knowledge, skills and abilities against requirements for most occupations
www.alx.org -- America's Learning eXchange -- career development, training,a nd education
www.ajb.org -- America's Job Bank
www.servicelocator.org -- America's Service Locator -- locate public service offices with information on finding a job, planning a career, locating training
Job Skills Online Website:
http://online.onetcenter.org
Job Search / Resume / Interview Sites:
www.Wetfeet.com
www.Snagajob.com
www.Job-hunt.org
www.Jobs@...
www.Myjobsearch.com
www.Careermosaic.com
www.Careersite.com
www.Rileyguide.com
www.Jobdirect.com
www.bestjobsusa.com
www.careershop.com
www.headhunter.net
www.jobweb.com
www.jobfactory.com
www.careerplaybook.com
www.sologigs.com
www.resumepower.com/resume_writing_resources.html
www.review.com
www.Fedworld.gov
www.job-interview.net
www.careertalk.com
www.jobvillage.com
www.ivillage.com
www.dice.com
www.employmentoffice.net
www.4work.com
www.usjobboard.com
www.careerjournal.com
www.careercity.com
www.nationjob.com
www.careerbuilder.com
www.vault.com
www.jobhuntersbible.com
www.autoheadhunter.net
www.monster.com
www.ns.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/english/Career/pathways/interview.htm
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Kimberly Fry
"Judie C. Rall" <adonai@...> wrote:
Kimberly,
I'm in Oklahoma too. Where do you live?
Judie
I'm in Tulsa.
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Kimberly,
I'm in Oklahoma too. Where do you live?
Judie
I'm in Tulsa.
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Sara
Judie, for years, I managed 60 young people and did all the hiring
and firing. When I couldn't talk to the perspective employee because
of missed calls it didn't bother me. I expected a kid to show up on
my doorstep if he wanted a chance. The best advice I have is this:
find out from a secretary, receptionist, or any other employee what
time the hiring manager is in and able to see people, what the best
time to talk to him is...and go there. Personnel managers like to see
people in person, also, in some job situations these people are so
busy with other tasks, they don't follow up on applications, they
wait until someone walks in the door.
Selling oneself is quite embarrassing, I almost lost my first job
because I was so nervous and hardly spoke a word. At the end of the
interview I managed to blurt out:
" I really want to work, I'll work hard" and the guy hired me.
So rehearse some lines with your son about why he'll be right for a
job at their place. He may pull against this but he must get some
concrete ideas from you or some other person he looks up too. Is
there anyone you know that he can talk too?
People's comments on volunteering are right on. I just got a great
part-time job because of volunteering. If he wants to get a job with
the county, he could try using any 4H contacts you have. Also, as far
as what to put on a job application when he hasn't worked....I had my
son list Boy Scouts and 4H activities. He did yard work for an
elderly man and worked very infrequently in some chicken houses when
he was 14. Is there anything in your son's past like this?
and firing. When I couldn't talk to the perspective employee because
of missed calls it didn't bother me. I expected a kid to show up on
my doorstep if he wanted a chance. The best advice I have is this:
find out from a secretary, receptionist, or any other employee what
time the hiring manager is in and able to see people, what the best
time to talk to him is...and go there. Personnel managers like to see
people in person, also, in some job situations these people are so
busy with other tasks, they don't follow up on applications, they
wait until someone walks in the door.
Selling oneself is quite embarrassing, I almost lost my first job
because I was so nervous and hardly spoke a word. At the end of the
interview I managed to blurt out:
" I really want to work, I'll work hard" and the guy hired me.
So rehearse some lines with your son about why he'll be right for a
job at their place. He may pull against this but he must get some
concrete ideas from you or some other person he looks up too. Is
there anyone you know that he can talk too?
People's comments on volunteering are right on. I just got a great
part-time job because of volunteering. If he wants to get a job with
the county, he could try using any 4H contacts you have. Also, as far
as what to put on a job application when he hasn't worked....I had my
son list Boy Scouts and 4H activities. He did yard work for an
elderly man and worked very infrequently in some chicken houses when
he was 14. Is there anything in your son's past like this?
Krisula Moyer
My friend just had some very professional looking cards and school stamp
made up at Kinko's. They looked great and were not very expensive. Just
another alternative.
Krisula
-----Original Message-----
From: HaHaMommy@... [mailto:HaHaMommy@...]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: looking for work
that's a great idea, about the business cards
**************************
Use www.Vistaprint.com you can get 250 cards for the cost of shipping (less
than $10). I got some *family cards* with our *school name* to take
advantage
of any educator discounts around town. It's nice to have them to hand out
when meeting new people.
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
"You can follow your book and your map of wars, but I'll go and follow my
kids." -- Woody Guthrie
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made up at Kinko's. They looked great and were not very expensive. Just
another alternative.
Krisula
-----Original Message-----
From: HaHaMommy@... [mailto:HaHaMommy@...]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re: looking for work
that's a great idea, about the business cards
**************************
Use www.Vistaprint.com you can get 250 cards for the cost of shipping (less
than $10). I got some *family cards* with our *school name* to take
advantage
of any educator discounts around town. It's nice to have them to hand out
when meeting new people.
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
"You can follow your book and your map of wars, but I'll go and follow my
kids." -- Woody Guthrie
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liza sabater
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, at 06:50 PM, Judie C. Rall wrote:
This is coming late. That's because I have not posted in a while. Here
in NYC everybody is recommended to have a resume in hand, even kids who
have never had a job. It's that "look professional" thing.
Still, just because he has never had a job it does not mean he lacks
skills. There is a book that I just found absolutely necessary to have
: The Damn Good Resume Book by Yanna Parker. She shows people,
especially those with unconventional backgrounds, how to put together a
resume that highlights a person's abilities and talents ---especially
if they have never had a "paying" job.
You and your son will really find it helps.
Best,
l i z a, nyc
============================
http://culturekitchen.com
http://liza.typepad.com
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> None of the places he has applied has asked for a resume.Hi Judie,
>
> And besides, he has nothing to put on a resume, he has never had a
> job.
>
> Judie
>
This is coming late. That's because I have not posted in a while. Here
in NYC everybody is recommended to have a resume in hand, even kids who
have never had a job. It's that "look professional" thing.
Still, just because he has never had a job it does not mean he lacks
skills. There is a book that I just found absolutely necessary to have
: The Damn Good Resume Book by Yanna Parker. She shows people,
especially those with unconventional backgrounds, how to put together a
resume that highlights a person's abilities and talents ---especially
if they have never had a "paying" job.
You and your son will really find it helps.
Best,
l i z a, nyc
============================
http://culturekitchen.com
http://liza.typepad.com
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Judie C. Rall
Letting my kids watch what they want and play whatever video games
they want has led to some positive academic study. Like, Ethan saw
some cartoon on Tv about Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
and he thought Puck was pretty cool. So today he just up and said,
"I need to get a new library card." I said, "Do you want to go to
the library today?" "Yes, I want to get A Midsummer Night's Dream."
So, we went and he did. He also got Bloom's Notes on the play. He
sat reading the first scene to me just now. Now you know if I'd
suggested he get that book, it would have gone over like a lead
balloon.
Then Josh's obsession with the video game Halo and the movie Resident
Evil has caused him to get all the paperback books spawned by those
two, and he has read every one. Now, I could be complaining that he
was not reading Shakespeare like Ethan, but at least he is reading!
Which is what is important. And every now and then, he tries to
write his own little Halo stories.
Judie
Catch my Ebay Auctions!
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they want has led to some positive academic study. Like, Ethan saw
some cartoon on Tv about Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
and he thought Puck was pretty cool. So today he just up and said,
"I need to get a new library card." I said, "Do you want to go to
the library today?" "Yes, I want to get A Midsummer Night's Dream."
So, we went and he did. He also got Bloom's Notes on the play. He
sat reading the first scene to me just now. Now you know if I'd
suggested he get that book, it would have gone over like a lead
balloon.
Then Josh's obsession with the video game Halo and the movie Resident
Evil has caused him to get all the paperback books spawned by those
two, and he has read every one. Now, I could be complaining that he
was not reading Shakespeare like Ethan, but at least he is reading!
Which is what is important. And every now and then, he tries to
write his own little Halo stories.
Judie
Catch my Ebay Auctions!
http://www.unhinderedliving.com/ebaypage.html
Heidi
Good story, Judie
I enjoy hearing about the connections kids make! It's fun to watch,
too. Amazing how fertile the mind is
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], "Judie C. Rall"
<adonai@s...> wrote:
I enjoy hearing about the connections kids make! It's fun to watch,
too. Amazing how fertile the mind is
blessings, HeidiC
--- In [email protected], "Judie C. Rall"
<adonai@s...> wrote:
> Letting my kids watch what they want and play whatever video gamesDream."
> they want has led to some positive academic study. Like, Ethan saw
> some cartoon on Tv about Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
> and he thought Puck was pretty cool. So today he just up and said,
> "I need to get a new library card." I said, "Do you want to go to
> the library today?" "Yes, I want to get A Midsummer Night's
> So, we went and he did. He also got Bloom's Notes on the play. HeResident
> sat reading the first scene to me just now. Now you know if I'd
> suggested he get that book, it would have gone over like a lead
> balloon.
>
> Then Josh's obsession with the video game Halo and the movie
> Evil has caused him to get all the paperback books spawned by thosehe
> two, and he has read every one. Now, I could be complaining that
> was not reading Shakespeare like Ethan, but at least he isreading!
> Which is what is important. And every now and then, he tries to
> write his own little Halo stories.
>
>
> Judie
> Catch my Ebay Auctions!
> http://www.unhinderedliving.com/ebaypage.html