Michelle Bennett

Jodye,

I have been going to a chiropractor for almost 3 years now. It has saved me
from a hip replacement and a lot of pain. I have hip dysplasia and
spondololotheosis (spelling?) of the back. I started going to her 5 months
after my first son was born (shoulder dystocia, blue baby, not breathing,
oxygen strapped on me, nurse "standing" on my stomach, etc. I lived it too!)
because I was in so much pain. I had been to a neurosurgeon who wanted to
do surgery on me or I could wait and have a hip replacement 10-15 years down
the road. I stumbled upon my chiropractor and have been very pleased. She
adjusts our sons and my husband also. Anyway it took over a year before I
became completely pain free, but it was worth it! My second delivery went
so smooth it was unbelievable! I just wanted to let you know that we have
had success with chiropractic.

Michelle

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>Date: 10 Apr 2000 23:35:35 -0000
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>Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: Teen Reporters/Writers Sought
> From: "Linda Sternhill Davis" <lrsdavis@...>
> 2. Re: question
> From: "K WORTHEN" <kworthen@...>
> 3. Re: A father's view
> From: kayelle42@...
> 4. Re: question
> From: "Gayle Bechtel" <jbabi@...>
> 5. Re: re: teacher discounts
> From: "J & A Hayek" <vacpl@...>
> 6. Re: A father's view
> From: "Carli" <carli@...>
> 7. Re: Re: breastfeeding - Stephanie, Bridget and Wendy
> From: "Carli" <carli@...>
> 8. Re: The light bulb moment
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> 9. Re: A father's view
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> 10. Re: champagne moment.../sonia
> From: susan <fxfireob@...>
> 11. Re: breastfeeding rants was Re: champagne moment...
> From: susan <fxfireob@...>
> 12. Re: question
> From: "Joshua Heath" <heathfam@...>
> 13. Re: A father's view
> From: "Joshua Heath" <heathfam@...>
> 14. Re: question
> From: "Joshua Heath" <heathfam@...>
> 15.
> From: "M"<mulghaz@...>
> 16. Re:
> From: kayelle42@...
> 17. Re: Att: Brooke
> From: JodyeB1@...
> 18. Re: The light bulb moment
> From: Shelly A Kenner <shelly405@...>
> 19. Re: fyi: milk banks/Re: breastfeeding rants
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <Tracy@...-online.co.uk>
> 20. Re:
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <Tracy@...-online.co.uk>
> 21. Re: breastfeeding rants was Re: champagne moment...
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <Tracy@...-online.co.uk>
> 22. Re: Attn:Sonia/chiropractic
> From: JodyeB1@...
> 23. Re: chat channel for children
> From: HSMOTGO@...
> 24. Re: A father's view
> From: "Sue" <sue.m.e@...>
> 25. Re: former unschoolers
> From: "M"<mulghaz@...>
>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:38:38 -0700
> From: "Linda Sternhill Davis" <lrsdavis@...>
>Subject: Re: Teen Reporters/Writers Sought
>
>Hi All!
>
>It's not my intention to start a debate or create a controversy about the
>merits (or not) of this press release and/or the new publications that are
>mentioned below, but I did notice the portion that I've highlighted in bold
>and have underlined. I know we have some aspiring teen and preteen writers
>in our midst. I, therefore, didn't want to pass up the chance to let them
>know about this career opportunity. Also, I think it would be great if the
>magazine, and its web edition, had some input from at least one
>homeschooler. Please let us know if any of our homeschooled kids become
>involved.
>
>Thanks!
>
>~Linda
>
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> RODALE CHOOSES MH-18 AS TITLE OF
> NEW PUBLICATION FOR TEEN GUYS
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> Rodale Inc., a publisher of healthy living information, has
> announced that MH-18 was chosen as the official title of its
> new magazine and website aimed at teenage guys in grades
> 8 to 12. MH-18 has also announced a talent search for high
> school and junior high school students to contribute story
> ideas and articles to its online and print publications. MH-18
> is seeking to recruit high-school-age field reporters to report
> and write about trends, issues and events that affect them.
>
> MH-18, which is a spin-off of Men's Health magazine, is a new
> publication that will provide teen males with information on
> topics including fitness, sports, girls, gear and life. The new
> publication will premier on the Web later this spring and the
> magazine will launch with issues in September and December
> of 2000. The magazine is expected to roll out bi-monthly in 2001.
>
> ``MH-18 has a code-like quality that appeals to teens,'' says Jeff
> Csatari, Editor of MH-18. ``Eighteen is a magical age that
> everyone aspires to, whether you're 13 or 17.''
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> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:42:16 -0400
> From: "K WORTHEN" <kworthen@...>
>Subject: Re: question
>
>Hi Joshua,
> Funny how we interpret things, I thought LOL stood for lots
>of laughs. As far as I know DH is *darling* husband and DD is *darling*
>daughter.
>Amy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Heath
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 3:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
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>
> I think of homesteading living on a piece of fairly remote(ie. not with
>next-door neighbours too close) property. It also brings to mind
>self-sufficiency and simplicity. Does this corroborate with others'
>definitions?
>
> LOL , as far as I know, stands for "laughs out loud"
>
> What I would like to know is what DH and DD stand for? I have seen that
>they usually mean husband or parter and Children, but I am clueless as to
>what they actually stand for,
> Thought this was a good opportunity to finally clear this up!
> Joshua
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: george howard
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 12:24 AM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
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> What exactly is "homesteading"? I see it mentioned but don't know what
>it means. Also, what does LOL stand for?
> -Allison, new to emailing
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> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:54:09 EDT
> From: kayelle42@...
>Subject: Re: A father's view
>
> Damian,
> What a beautiful letter. It is so wonderful that you see yourself as
>part of a breastfeeding team. I know my dh [darling husband] felt the same
>way, but you put it into words. Jackie
>
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>Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:56:16 -0400
> From: "Gayle Bechtel" <jbabi@...>
>Subject: Re: question
>
>DH - darling husband
>DD - darling daughter
>DS - darling son
>and Joshua you could probably add
>DW - darling wife.
>
>I love your name - same as my sons.
>
>Gayle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Heath
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 3:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
>
>
> I think of homesteading living on a piece of fairly remote(ie. not with
>next-door neighbours too close) property. It also brings to mind
>self-sufficiency and simplicity. Does this corroborate with others'
>definitions?
>
> LOL , as far as I know, stands for "laughs out loud"
>
> What I would like to know is what DH and DD stand for? I have seen that
>they usually mean husband or parter and Children, but I am clueless as to
>what they actually stand for,
> Thought this was a good opportunity to finally clear this up!
> Joshua
> check out www.alladvantage.com to get paid to surf the net.
> MY user ID# is LUZ-400
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: george howard
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 12:24 AM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
>
>
> What exactly is "homesteading"? I see it mentioned but don't know what
>it means. Also, what does LOL stand for?
> -Allison, new to emailing
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>Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:27:24 -0400
> From: "J & A Hayek" <vacpl@...>
>Subject: Re: re: teacher discounts
>
> >The Barnes and Noble here in Grand Junction, Colorado, gives a >15%
> >discount.
>
> >Shelly
>shelly405@...
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>Thanks Shelly!
>
>Alyssa
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>Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 06:41:50 -0000
> From: "Carli" <carli@...>
>Subject: Re: A father's view
>
>Wow! How beautifully put and gently too. I enjoyed reading your view on
>it as a "Daddy."
>
>~Carli
>
>----------
> > From: Sonia Ulan <sulan@...>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] A father's view
> > Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:25 AM
> >
> > Hello, one and all,
> >
> > It's time for another father to speak to this issue. I am Sonia's
> > husband (BTW, what IS a "DH"?). Although you want this subject to be
> > closed, I hope you'll consider these few points.
> >
> > As a "breast-feeding father", I have never thought myself to be excluded
> > from the act of feeding/nurturing our babies. If anything, I feel I
> > have bonded MORE with our children because of breastfeeding. When I
> > watch how babies cuddle into the breast, breathe in their mother's
> > scent, burrow ever deeper into her bosom, run their tiny fingers over
> > their mother's body, and play footsies all over their mama, it totally
> > melts my heart. I was a bottle-fed baby, and although I don't have any
> > memories of that, I now know what I would have preferred. My children
> > are learning a level of intimacy, sensitivity and love that I think I
> > missed out on. As our babies have nursed, I have often found myself
> > drawn in by the beauty of what I am seeing, and lay down beside my wife
> > and baby to cuddle them both. Quite a change for a formerly insensitive
> > and self-centred jock!
> >
> > I consider myself to be essential to my babies' breastfeeding also, for
> > the simple reason that I make it possible for my wife to break away from
> > some of her tasks to have quiet time to nurse our babies. Of course, I
> > can't do this when I'm away at work, but when I'm home, it's my greatest
> > pleasure to enable my babies to nurse. Then, I have made the time to
> > bond with our babies by changing their diapers, dressing them, walking,
> > rocking, bathing and napping with them, etc.
> >
> > >From a purely financial standpoint, I can only say how grateful I am
> > that nature has provided breast-milk for babies. I don't know HOW we
> > could ever have afforded the $1,500.+ it would cost to bottle-feed a
> > baby per year. Furthermore, I don't really think that a father bonds in
> > the same way by bottle-feeding a baby, that I have in participating in
> > the breast-feeding of our babies. My father bottle-fed me, but he still
> > never learned to be sensitive or emotionally intimate with his children.
> > He simply FED me.
> >
> > In summary, I cannot express adequately just how wonderful an experience
> > it has been for ME to be part of our breast-feeding team. Like Sonia, I
> > understand that there are those 1-2% of cases where breast-feeding is
> > not possible for medical reasons. But I strongly encourage it for all
> > the other fathers, if it's at all an option for them......
> >
> > Damian.
> >
> > Ron and Stephanie wrote:
> > >
> > > My DH was the one that started this whole thing by being uncomfortable
>about
> > > breastfeeding. We have talked about positives/negatives of it, and he
>knows
> > > all the feelings expressed here. I truly feel that he would be more
>confused
> > > by this than if he were to just walk in to my blatant disregard of his
> > > feelings, and was nursing. I cannot speak for the reasons that my DH
>would
> > > rather I not nurse, only that we have discussed it (in length) and
>that
>we
> > > have agreed on expressing milk for the baby. Is that not the next best
> > > thing? Not one person has even complemented him on that decision. I
>just
> > > wanted more information about LLL so I could help him with any ?? he
>may
> > > have in the future. That didn't even happen. I know that this entire
>process
> > > has been a joint venture, DH and I, since I could not get pregnant
>without a
> > > medical staff (and DH). Since EVERYTHING regarding a pregnancy has
>been
>a
> > > joint effort, why is it not right for him to join in the bonding and
> > > feeding? I hope that since this is my DH we are speaking about, that
>this
> > > would now go to the dead topic section, for it is a finished topic in
>our
> > > home.
> > > Thank you for all your opinions-
> > > Ron and Stephanie
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>Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:07:08 -0000
> From: "Carli" <carli@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: breastfeeding - Stephanie, Bridget and Wendy
>
>Tracy, thank you for sharing that article. I will save it and pass it on
>to some of my friends. It was very enlightening to me.
>~Carli
>
>----------
>From: Tracy Oldfield <Tracy@...-online.co.uk>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: breastfeeding - Stephanie, Bridget and
>Wendy
>Date: Sunday, April 09, 2000 9:21 PM
>
>If this looks odd, it's cos it was 3 separate emails that I decided should
>go together, but I don't want to spend time editing them now. Hope no-one
>minds :-)
>
>Bridget, I know what you mean. I don't want to get offensive, but I don't
>mean that formula is 'just as good.' It's an inferior product, but babies
>can still thrive on it, my own daughter, touch wood, has no physical
>problems with it. The point is that unless people take breastfeeding down
>from it's pedestal and say 'This is the natural thing to do,' some people
>are going to hold it up as an unapproachable ideal, which I did to an
>extent with the general lifestyle portrayed in the Art of Breastfeeding (GB
>and NZ version from about 10 years ago.) I was heartbroken when I couldn't
>continue breastfeeding Heather, partly because I'd held it up so high.
>Anyway, I've been sent the article I was talking about, I'll attach it. If
>the group doesn't accept attachments, I can send it privately to anyone who
>wants it, or if the consensus of the list agrees, I can cut-and-paste it to
>the list. It explains what I mean much better than I can :-)
>
>Tracy
>
>PS Support for parents interested in child-led weaning can be found at
>[email protected]
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>
>Stephanie, you both deserve a big round of applause for being open to
>discussion, with your past experiences, and your dh's reservations about
>the benefits. I know you wanted the discussion closed, but I would like to
>add a few more thoughts. You don't have to read them if you don't want :-)
>
>I am glad that you have reached a decision that works for you both. And
>while I understand the desire for the husband to bond with the child, I
>think I have to point out that there are so many ways that we bond with our
>babies, feeding is only one of them. There are many breastfeeding fathers
>who feel well-connected to their children, and their partners no doubt feel
>indebted for their commitment to their families' well-being. Yes,
>expressing milk is the next best thing to breastfeeding, with, according to
>the WHO other mothers' expressed milk next and formula fourth and last on
>the priority list. I would add other mother breastfeeding (in cases where
>maternal breastfeeding is not possible, rather than not desired) 'wet
>nursing,' below maternal breastfeeding in this list, because there is much
>more to breastfeeding than nutritional content. This is what was so
>upsetting for me. I knew that while some babies have allergic reactions to
>formula, some babies suffer medical problems later in life due to
>bottlefeeding, I have not suffered any visible effects (yet) from being
>bottlefed. I wanted my children to experience the whole experience of
>breastfeeding, the skin contact, the physical developmental differences...
>I wanted to experience breastfeeding, the hormonal rush, the skin contact.
>It was particularly important for me since Heather had spent time in SCBU
>that I become the only person who could provide this for my daughter.
>Other people can do anything else for a baby, and in some societies, even
>breastfeeding is widely shared. But it is a very special thing for a
>mother to share with her baby, and I am glad that I experienced it, and
>still do, with my second child. Now, if only I could persuade her to
>stop.... <g>
>
>Thanks for listening here, and I hope your dialogue continues, since I
>think that parenting issues are never really closed.
>
>Tracy
>
>PS I have to admire your commitment to expressing, I found it to be very
>difficult and did not produce enough to feed my daughter fully after a few
>weeks, even though I had provided for her completely while she was on the
>SCBU.
>
>-----------------------------------
>
>Wendy, you're right, that's why I made the point that I don't speak for LLL
>earlier :-)
>
>But I'd be interested to know what exactly you think gave LLL a bad name,
>either on or off list.
>
>Tracy
>
>
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:37:03 -0700
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
>Subject: Re: The light bulb moment
>
>I don't remember learning to read either but DO remember starting school
>and getting in trouble for already reading and writing cursive. Now that
>was a moment because I couldn't understand why I got yelled at for doing
>something my parents and extended family had been so tickled by. Took me
>until the 4th grade to figure out the teachers and that was a light bulb
>moment!
>
>Now, as to chocolate, it's Dove Truffles!
>
>Lynda, who is peeved that they only make them one time a year! Or maybe I
>should be thankful! <<<BEWG>>>
>
>----------
>
>I don't remember this, it sometimes seems to me as if I was born reading!
>This has led to a heavy reliance and belief in books, which has only really
>been shaken into objectivity by adulthood. Also, I used reading as an
>escape mechanism from the bullying etc I received at school. So while it
>might seem like a good idea if children read alot, there is still 'too
>much,' as with tv or chocolate (HERESY!!!) or anything. I know I've had
>'lightbulb-moments,' but right now I can't remember any. I love watching
>when the kids have them though :-)
>
>Tracy, whose daughter is just learning that she was in a big hurry to see
>the world, being 5&1/2 weeks prem, some things don't change <g>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: monkeycoop@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 7:59 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] The light bulb moment
>
>
> It seems that everyone I talk to can remember a light bulb moment in the
> process of learning to read - that AHA where you went from painstakingly
> sounding out words to actually GETTING it. It's as if the code is
>finally
> broken and you're seeing the words on the page for what they really are.
>
> Mine came while I was reading a Family Circus comic strip. Thelma (Mom)
>is
> standing in the bathtub holding a part for the plumber, who is working
>on
>the
> faucet. Dolly comes in and says, "That was [so and so] on the phone. I
>told
> her you couldn't talk right now because you are in the bathtub with the
> plumber." I sounded it out, then again, and suddenly I could just READ
>the
> whole thing without sounding it out at all! I just looked at all the
>words
> on the page at once, and they stood on their own, as if they had come to
> life. I was 4 at the time, I think. We were on vacation in Kansas
>City,
>at
> a hotel with a pool on the roof, and my sister threw up in the hallway
>on
>the
> way back to our room after dinner that night. She'd had fish.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:53:12 -0700
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
>Subject: Re: A father's view
>
>He He He He <<<BEWG>>> DH usually means "dear" husband but you can guess
>what it can also mean, given the husband in question and the comments in
>context.
>
>Lynda
>
>----------
> > From: Sonia Ulan <sulan@...>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] A father's view
> > Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:25 AM
> >
> > Hello, one and all,
> >
> > It's time for another father to speak to this issue. I am Sonia's
> > husband (BTW, what IS a "DH"?). Although you want this subject to be
> > closed, I hope you'll consider these few points.
> >
> > As a "breast-feeding father", I have never thought myself to be excluded
> > from the act of feeding/nurturing our babies. If anything, I feel I
> > have bonded MORE with our children because of breastfeeding. When I
> > watch how babies cuddle into the breast, breathe in their mother's
> > scent, burrow ever deeper into her bosom, run their tiny fingers over
> > their mother's body, and play footsies all over their mama, it totally
> > melts my heart. I was a bottle-fed baby, and although I don't have any
> > memories of that, I now know what I would have preferred. My children
> > are learning a level of intimacy, sensitivity and love that I think I
> > missed out on. As our babies have nursed, I have often found myself
> > drawn in by the beauty of what I am seeing, and lay down beside my wife
> > and baby to cuddle them both. Quite a change for a formerly insensitive
> > and self-centred jock!
> >
> > I consider myself to be essential to my babies' breastfeeding also, for
> > the simple reason that I make it possible for my wife to break away from
> > some of her tasks to have quiet time to nurse our babies. Of course, I
> > can't do this when I'm away at work, but when I'm home, it's my greatest
> > pleasure to enable my babies to nurse. Then, I have made the time to
> > bond with our babies by changing their diapers, dressing them, walking,
> > rocking, bathing and napping with them, etc.
> >
> > >From a purely financial standpoint, I can only say how grateful I am
> > that nature has provided breast-milk for babies. I don't know HOW we
> > could ever have afforded the $1,500.+ it would cost to bottle-feed a
> > baby per year. Furthermore, I don't really think that a father bonds in
> > the same way by bottle-feeding a baby, that I have in participating in
> > the breast-feeding of our babies. My father bottle-fed me, but he still
> > never learned to be sensitive or emotionally intimate with his children.
> > He simply FED me.
> >
> > In summary, I cannot express adequately just how wonderful an experience
> > it has been for ME to be part of our breast-feeding team. Like Sonia, I
> > understand that there are those 1-2% of cases where breast-feeding is
> > not possible for medical reasons. But I strongly encourage it for all
> > the other fathers, if it's at all an option for them......
> >
> > Damian.
> >
> > Ron and Stephanie wrote:
> > >
> > > My DH was the one that started this whole thing by being uncomfortable
>about
> > > breastfeeding. We have talked about positives/negatives of it, and he
>knows
> > > all the feelings expressed here. I truly feel that he would be more
>confused
> > > by this than if he were to just walk in to my blatant disregard of his
> > > feelings, and was nursing. I cannot speak for the reasons that my DH
>would
> > > rather I not nurse, only that we have discussed it (in length) and
>that
>we
> > > have agreed on expressing milk for the baby. Is that not the next best
> > > thing? Not one person has even complemented him on that decision. I
>just
> > > wanted more information about LLL so I could help him with any ?? he
>may
> > > have in the future. That didn't even happen. I know that this entire
>process
> > > has been a joint venture, DH and I, since I could not get pregnant
>without a
> > > medical staff (and DH). Since EVERYTHING regarding a pregnancy has
>been
>a
> > > joint effort, why is it not right for him to join in the bonding and
> > > feeding? I hope that since this is my DH we are speaking about, that
>this
> > > would now go to the dead topic section, for it is a finished topic in
>our
> > > home.
> > > Thank you for all your opinions-
> > > Ron and Stephanie
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>Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:25:35 +0100
> From: susan <fxfireob@...>
>Subject: Re: champagne moment.../sonia
>
>hi,
>
>i agree with you about breast milk but unfortunately your position is
>fascist in
>nature and leaves no room for those who could not breastfeed even if they
>may
>have wanted to. so yes there is no choice in many situation and when you
>take
>the stance breastfeed or you're relegating your child to a life of poor
>health
>is melodramatic and mean spirited because some people have no choice.
>breast
>milk is w/o question superior but humans are amazing and have proven time
>and
>again to survive and even thrive on far worse things than formula or cows
>milk.
>so i think a good use of all the energy and passion you have regarding this
>topic might be better used in advocating for milk banks rather than
>berating
>people. i think information is best heard when it is give w/o all the
>harsh
>judgements-jmo
>
>
>Sonia Ulan wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry to be on this tirade but I positively see red when I see
> > people think there is a "choice" and usually for the sake of unimportant
> > and temporary situations such as convenience or lifestyle. How can any
> > loving parent deny their child what is clearly theirs? Boy, have the
> > formula companies or, dare I say it, the radical feminists, really
> > snowed us that much, all these years?
> >
> > As I say, there is no true choice.
> > Sign me,
> > a radical-baby's-rights-defender
> >
>
>i also agree w/ lynda that sonia's comments need to be put in there proper
>place
>and should not be taken personally, but also her comments were intended as
>judgments and where highly charged leaving no room for other possibilities.
>every situation is unique and making blanket statement serve no real
>purpose
>then to cast judgments. i wish, sonia, you would have found a better way
>to
>pass on the info from all the research you has done. trying to make people
>feel
>bad or guilty for choices they have made or are in the process of making or
>for
>having to cope w difficult realities is just not right and certainly not
>supportive.
>
>-susan,
>austin,tx
>'unity through diversity'
>
> > Lynda wrote:
>
> > I didn't breastfeed all of the kidlets for which I have valid medical
> > reasons. But I don't get my bloomers in a twist because someone states
> > opinions using generalizations about folks who don't/didn't breastfeed.
>
> > Lynda
>
> >
>
>
>
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>Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:32:45 +0100
> From: susan <fxfireob@...>
>Subject: Re: breastfeeding rants was Re: champagne moment...
>
>hi,
>
>i'm always suspicious of stats. particularly regarding women.
>
>jmo,
>susan
>austin, tx
>'unity through diversity'
>
>squeaksoup@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 4/5/00 19:15:48 Uhr, Tracy@...-online.co.uk
> > writes:
> >
> > << some people physically can't breastfeed >>
> >
> > This is very rare. Maybe 1-2% of women.
> >
> > -
>
>
>
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>Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:59:24 -0700
> From: "Joshua Heath" <heathfam@...>
>Subject: Re: question
>
>Thanks from that Amy, it makes som much more sence now! (LOL)
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: K WORTHEN
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 4:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
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>
>
> Hi Joshua,
> Funny how we interpret things, I thought LOL stood for
>lots of laughs. As far as I know DH is *darling* husband and DD is
>*darling* daughter.
> Amy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Heath
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 3:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
>
>
> I think of homesteading living on a piece of fairly remote(ie. not
>with next-door neighbours too close) property. It also brings to mind
>self-sufficiency and simplicity. Does this corroborate with others'
>definitions?
>
> LOL , as far as I know, stands for "laughs out loud"
>
> What I would like to know is what DH and DD stand for? I have seen
>that they usually mean husband or parter and Children, but I am clueless as
>to what they actually stand for,
> Thought this was a good opportunity to finally clear this up!
> Joshua
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> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 12:24 AM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
>
>
> What exactly is "homesteading"? I see it mentioned but don't know
>what it means. Also, what does LOL stand for?
> -Allison, new to emailing
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>Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:54:06 -0700
> From: "Joshua Heath" <heathfam@...>
>Subject: Re: A father's view
>
>Good Morning,
>OK, I have to get a word in here too....
>My wife was able to nurse beautifully with both our boys and for that I am
>thankful as well. But I have seen my sister in law recently go through
>breastfeeding problems (challenges!!) that really opened my eyes to how
>much
>of an unbelievable challenge it can be. She had all kinds of support ( her
>Midwife, My wife who is also a Midwife, and a lactation consultant) but she
>still says labout was nothing in comparison to the emotional challenges of
>the first couple of months of breastfeeding. Since then I have noticed
>many
>other of my wife's clients with similar challenges. It can be a enormous
>challenge, and, for instance, if my sister in law had not been successful
>at
>surmounting all her challenges, I would NEVER hold it against her... even
>if
>it was medically possible. I think that by saying there are only 1-2% of
>women who cannot breastfeed that it invalidates the experiences of so many
>women who have such extreme challenges, which may come from a variety of
>sources... The last thing a woman needs after deciding it is too
>challenging for HER to breastfeed is a whole lot of guilt. On the other
>hand, I am completely in favor of promoting breastfeeding as the first
>choice, and providing all the support and information that can be provided
>to make the chances of success as high as possible.
>Just another mans openion....
>(I feel funny chiming in on this topic as a man... but I have been reading
>the posts for a long time... and I feel I shouldn't hold back my thoughts
>just on account of my gender)
>Joshua
>
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Sonia Ulan <sulan@...>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:25 AM
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] A father's view
>
>
> > Hello, one and all,
> >
> > It's time for another father to speak to this issue. I am Sonia's
> > husband (BTW, what IS a "DH"?). Although you want this subject to be
> > closed, I hope you'll consider these few points.
> >
> > As a "breast-feeding father", I have never thought myself to be excluded
> > from the act of feeding/nurturing our babies. If anything, I feel I
> > have bonded MORE with our children because of breastfeeding. When I
> > watch how babies cuddle into the breast, breathe in their mother's
> > scent, burrow ever deeper into her bosom, run their tiny fingers over
> > their mother's body, and play footsies all over their mama, it totally
> > melts my heart. I was a bottle-fed baby, and although I don't have any
> > memories of that, I now know what I would have preferred. My children
> > are learning a level of intimacy, sensitivity and love that I think I
> > missed out on. As our babies have nursed, I have often found myself
> > drawn in by the beauty of what I am seeing, and lay down beside my wife
> > and baby to cuddle them both. Quite a change for a formerly insensitive
> > and self-centred jock!
> >
> > I consider myself to be essential to my babies' breastfeeding also, for
> > the simple reason that I make it possible for my wife to break away from
> > some of her tasks to have quiet time to nurse our babies. Of course, I
> > can't do this when I'm away at work, but when I'm home, it's my greatest
> > pleasure to enable my babies to nurse. Then, I have made the time to
> > bond with our babies by changing their diapers, dressing them, walking,
> > rocking, bathing and napping with them, etc.
> >
> > >From a purely financial standpoint, I can only say how grateful I am
> > that nature has provided breast-milk for babies. I don't know HOW we
> > could ever have afforded the $1,500.+ it would cost to bottle-feed a
> > baby per year. Furthermore, I don't really think that a father bonds in
> > the same way by bottle-feeding a baby, that I have in participating in
> > the breast-feeding of our babies. My father bottle-fed me, but he still
> > never learned to be sensitive or emotionally intimate with his children.
> > He simply FED me.
> >
> > In summary, I cannot express adequately just how wonderful an experience
> > it has been for ME to be part of our breast-feeding team. Like Sonia, I
> > understand that there are those 1-2% of cases where breast-feeding is
> > not possible for medical reasons. But I strongly encourage it for all
> > the other fathers, if it's at all an option for them......
> >
> > Damian.
> >
> > Ron and Stephanie wrote:
> > >
> > > My DH was the one that started this whole thing by being uncomfortable
>about
> > > breastfeeding. We have talked about positives/negatives of it, and he
>knows
> > > all the feelings expressed here. I truly feel that he would be more
>confused
> > > by this than if he were to just walk in to my blatant disregard of his
> > > feelings, and was nursing. I cannot speak for the reasons that my DH
>would
> > > rather I not nurse, only that we have discussed it (in length) and
>that
>we
> > > have agreed on expressing milk for the baby. Is that not the next best
> > > thing? Not one person has even complemented him on that decision. I
>just
> > > wanted more information about LLL so I could help him with any ?? he
>may
> > > have in the future. That didn't even happen. I know that this entire
>process
> > > has been a joint venture, DH and I, since I could not get pregnant
>without a
> > > medical staff (and DH). Since EVERYTHING regarding a pregnancy has
>been
>a
> > > joint effort, why is it not right for him to join in the bonding and
> > > feeding? I hope that since this is my DH we are speaking about, that
>this
> > > would now go to the dead topic section, for it is a finished topic in
>our
> > > home.
> > > Thank you for all your opinions-
> > > Ron and Stephanie
> > >
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>Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:06:05 -0700
> From: "Joshua Heath" <heathfam@...>
>Subject: Re: question
>
>Thanks Gayle,
>I guess I can now say my DW is a MW (Mid-wife) Or should I say an RM
>(registered Midwife)
>Yes, my parents were a little ahead of the times with my name.... you
>wouldn't believe how many times I turn my head as a mother at the park is
>yelling "Stop that Joshua!!" or some such thing to her 4 yo son..:-)
>
> Joshua
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gayle Bechtel
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
>
>
> DH - darling husband
> DD - darling daughter
> DS - darling son
> and Joshua you could probably add
> DW - darling wife.
>
> I love your name - same as my sons.
>
> Gayle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Heath
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 3:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
>
>
> I think of homesteading living on a piece of fairly remote(ie. not
>with next-door neighbours too close) property. It also brings to mind
>self-sufficiency and simplicity. Does this corroborate with others'
>definitions?
>
> LOL , as far as I know, stands for "laughs out loud"
>
> What I would like to know is what DH and DD stand for? I have seen
>that they usually mean husband or parter and Children, but I am clueless as
>to what they actually stand for,
> Thought this was a good opportunity to finally clear this up!
> Joshua
> check out www.alladvantage.com to get paid to surf the net.
> MY user ID# is LUZ-400
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: george howard
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 12:24 AM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] question
>
>
> What exactly is "homesteading"? I see it mentioned but don't know
>what it means. Also, what does LOL stand for?
> -Allison, new to emailing
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>Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:34:08 GMT
> From: "M"<mulghaz@...>
>Subject:
>
>Hello,
>Is anyone aware of any mailing lists or discussion groups for homeschool
>graduates?
>I am a former homeschooler (now adult), and would like to meet others.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
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>Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:52:21 EDT
> From: kayelle42@...
>Subject: Re:
>
> Hey! I would love to hear from YOU! How was your experience as an
>hs-er?
> Are you a well-balanced and happy person? {Smile} Can you support
>yourself
>and live a "normal" life? I'm basically asking because I have these fears
>sometimes in the middle of the night that I might be doing a horrible
>disservice to my daughter as I know she doesn't know all of the science,
>history, math, etc. as other kids her age. In my waking moments, I know
>that
>she is becoming the most incredible human being and has so many special
>gifts
>to share with the world and I believe this world needs more people like
>her.
>I would love it if you could share some of your thoughts. Thanks, Jackie
>
>
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>Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:37:34 EDT
> From: JodyeB1@...
>Subject: Re: Att: Brooke
>
>Hi Brooke,
>Thanks for your support. You're right - my opinion of the medical
>fraternity
>is not high, a fact that puts me in a rather akward postion. It was a
>doctor
>who hurt my daughter, and now I'm having to put my trust in other doctors
>to
>help her. I know all doctors aren't the same, but if I had my way I'd
>never
>deal with another one. My DH and I actually considered not going through
>with Tess's surgery, mainly because of our doctor phobia. Really, I'm past
>most of my anger now. Most of the time I feel only blessed. My life has
>been changed for the better through our suffering. Thanks again.
>
>Jodye
>
>
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>Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:17:53 -0600
> From: Shelly A Kenner <shelly405@...>
>Subject: Re: The light bulb moment
>
>That sounds like mine. I could read at 2 and I got so tired of school by
>5th grade. My teacher's favorite was she daydreams alot. Little did
>they know they were boring.
>
>Shelly
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>Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:24:19 +0100
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <Tracy@...-online.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: fyi: milk banks/Re: breastfeeding rants
>
>I think so, but since our hospital doesn't have a transitional care ward,
>it works as both, but not well since there isn't room for the mothers to
>sleep there. I don't know what criteria they use, but I do know that I
>wasn't asked because I was sleeping off a sleeping tablet, Heather's birth
>was short in time but makes a fairly long story, for a natural birth :-)
>So they couldn't ask me to express either. What interested me was that
>they never asked the mothers expressing for their babies if any excess
>could be used for other babies. I know mothers donating milk have to be
>tested for HIV and other diseases, but surely that doesn't take that long,
>and it's more appropriate to give milk to babies of around the same
>gestation and age, if you know what I mean. A fact-finding mission to
>China found the mothers expressing milk into enamelware bowls to give to
>babies who needed it, they were specifically matched for gestational age
>and age from birth, as close as possible. Makes sense to me :-) I must
>find out where I read that snippet ...
>
>Good job I've worked all this out already :-)
>
>Tracy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: monkeycoop@...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] fyi: milk banks/Re: breastfeeding
>rants
>
>
> In a message dated 4/9/00 4:44:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Tracy@...-online.co.uk writes:
>
> << my daughter received formula as her first meal. IMO, if she was
>poorly
> enough to be on SCBU, she was poorly enough to receive donor milk, >>
>
> Tracy,
> How do they decide who gets the donor milk? Do you have to sign a
>medical
> release form first? That is surprising that they wouldn't give a sick
>baby
> formula if possible. Is SCBU the same as our NICU (neonatal intensive
>care
> unit)?
>
>
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>Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:36:08 +0100
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <Tracy@...-online.co.uk>
>Subject: Re:
>
>no, but you could start your own :-)
>
>Tracy
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 6:34 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom]
>
>
> Hello,
> Is anyone aware of any mailing lists or discussion groups for homeschool
>graduates?
> I am a former homeschooler (now adult), and would like to meet others.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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>Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:37:22 +0100
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <Tracy@...-online.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: breastfeeding rants was Re: champagne moment...
>
>A study by the NCT, biggest childbrith and breastfeeding support org in
>Britain, found that 95% of women could lactate, for many of those who
>couldn't it was due to breast surgery. Some bf counsellors have estimated
>97-98%. But whatever it is, it's a low percentage of the population, who
>have every right to be thankful for the hygiene standards and ongoing
>reseach to improve formula which we have in Western, 'First-world' society
>(and in some cases, angry at the doctors who performed surgery without
>explaining this risk.)
>
>Tracy, who knows that any stats can be manipulated by those who produce
>them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: susan
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: breastfeeding rants was Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] champagne
>moment...
>
>
> hi,
>
> i'm always suspicious of stats. particularly regarding women.
>
> jmo,
> susan
> austin, tx
> 'unity through diversity'
>
> squeaksoup@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 4/5/00 19:15:48 Uhr,
>Tracy@...-online.co.uk
> > writes:
> >
> > << some people physically can't breastfeed >>
> >
> > This is very rare. Maybe 1-2% of women.
> >
> > -
>
>
>
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>Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:41:33 EDT
> From: JodyeB1@...
>Subject: Re: Attn:Sonia/chiropractic
>
>In a message dated 4/9/00 5:08:12 AM Central Daylight Time, sulan@...
>writes:
>
><< Have you tried chiropractic care at all? >>
>
>Hi Sonia,
>Thanks for the suggestion. We haven't tried chiropractic care yet. We do
>have an acquaintance who's a chiropractor, and right after Tess was born we
>asked him if he thought he could help her. He told us that there was not
>much he could do for her if the brachial nerves were torn, which they are -
>or were - they've since been repaired surgically. He's also told us what
>you
>said about many babies being born out of alignment, probably due to the
>strange delivery techniques doctors are known to use. I don't know much
>about the benefits of chiropractic - I may just have to look into it a
>little
>bit more. I'd be interested in hearing more about your experience with it.
>Take care.
>
>Jodye
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>Jodye
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>Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:20:10 EDT
> From: HSMOTGO@...
>Subject: Re: chat channel for children
>
>Great! Now if I can just get the time to dl the stuff and get them going!
>Teresa
>
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>Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:11:47 +0000
> From: "Sue" <sue.m.e@...>
>Subject: Re: A father's view
>
>Firstly, Stephanie I have followed this thread and know you want it
>closed, but to me I feel your husband's attempt to control a natural
>function of YOUR body is the tip of the iceberg in his controlling
>behaviour, it is an abuse to both you and your child. I would be
>concerned about what this childish behaviour of his is a precursor
>to, I seriously think he needs counselling.
>
>Damian Ulan wrote: [very eloquently]
>
> > It's time for another father to speak to this issue. I am Sonia's
> > husband (BTW, what IS a "DH"?).
>
>I used to wonder about DH.... back in Australia it is more
>commonly used as an abbreviation for something else.
>Welcome Damian, good to hear a man's perspective on this
>subject.
>
> > Although you want this subject to be
> > closed, I hope you'll consider these few points.
> >
> > As a "breast-feeding father", I have never thought myself to be excluded
> > from the act of feeding/nurturing our babies. If anything, I feel I
> > have bonded MORE with our children because of breastfeeding. When I
> > watch how babies cuddle into the breast, breathe in their mother's
> > scent, burrow ever deeper into her bosom, run their tiny fingers over
> > their mother's body, and play footsies all over their mama, it totally
> > melts my heart. I was a bottle-fed baby, and although I don't have any
> > memories of that, I now know what I would have preferred. My children
> > are learning a level of intimacy, sensitivity and love that I think I
> > missed out on. As our babies have nursed, I have often found myself
> > drawn in by the beauty of what I am seeing, and lay down beside my wife
> > and baby to cuddle them both. Quite a change for a formerly insensitive
> > and self-centred jock!
>
>But Damian, some men see this obviously very intimate
>relationship as excluding them, whereas you are drawn into the
>intimacy and become a part of it.
>There is no denying the sensuality of breast feeding, and I feel this
>is what can be a problem for some men, and women too.
>Our warped view of the body mainly stemming from religious beliefs
>where the natural and beautiful functions of the body are made
>sinful, has caused too many people to regard breast feeding as a
>deviant behaviour.
>When I breast fed my first child [I turned 18 two days before his
>birth] I encountered a lot of negative vibes from society in general,
>this was back in '73. If I was out anywhere with him I would rush
>home to feed him, I was uncomfortable nursing in front of anyone
>except for my husband, and this was a real pity. With each baby I
>noticed society's perception of breast feeding changing, it got to
>the point when I had my last baby in '96, that people are more
>likely to frown on a woman giving a baby a bottle than seeing a
>woman nursing. To my way of thinking, no-one should frown at
>either, because as we know for different reasons not all women can
>breast feed their infants.
>
> >
> > I consider myself to be essential to my babies' breastfeeding also, for
> > the simple reason that I make it possible for my wife to break away from
> > some of her tasks to have quiet time to nurse our babies. Of course, I
> > can't do this when I'm away at work, but when I'm home, it's my greatest
> > pleasure to enable my babies to nurse. Then, I have made the time to
> > bond with our babies by changing their diapers, dressing them, walking,
> > rocking, bathing and napping with them, etc.
>
>As you point out, a man doesn't have to be able to feed a baby to
>bond with him/her, there are so many things that a Father can do
>with/for his child that don't require him to be a pseudo Mother.
>Babies don't need two Mothers.
>
>
>
>
>- Sue -
>
>The Winona Farm in Minnesota Welcomes Unschoolers All Year Round
>My website: http://members.xoom.com/sue_m_e
>Farm website: http://homepage.rconnect.com/winfarm
>Farm newsletter: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/Winonafarm
>
>"To believe in something, and not to live it, is to be dishonest."
>-Mahatma Gandhi
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>Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:35:22 GMT
> From: "M"<mulghaz@...>
>Subject: Re: former unschoolers
>
>All right! There is one now ... it's called UnschoolGrads (there was
>already
>a HomeSchoolGrads - but it's for Christians who were in a particular
>program,
>apparently).
>
>-Thanks for the rapid reply.
>
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> >no, but you could start your own :-)
> >
> >Tracy
> > ----- Original Message -----=20
> > From: M=20
> > To: [email protected]=20
> > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 6:34 PM
> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom]=20
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> > Is anyone aware of any mailing lists or discussion groups for =
> >homeschool graduates?
> > I am a former homeschooler (now adult), and would like to meet others.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
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