Judie C. Rall

Hi all~
Here's an article to make your blood boil.
(Maybe you've already seen it.)
Lisa

He's absolutely right, some people cannot teach.....that's why it's
great that our kids DON'T need us to teach them, they can learn just
fine on their own.

Judie


Tia Leschke

> Hi all~
> Here's an article to make your blood boil.
> (Maybe you've already seen it.)

Gee, the author wouldn't be biased or anything, would he, as a teacher of
teachers? And I'd really like to see that Roman quote in context (though
not badly enough to look it up). <g>
Tia

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...


Tim and Maureen

Consider the source...

This author is a PhD. Fud. As in Elmer? :O)) But he is also deeeeeply imbedded in the system, to the point of being a in splinter group of the education faculty, "educational leadership."

Oh! Is that an oxymoron?

The Canadian Fraser Institute (ultra right wing think tank) studied "socialization" and home schoolers have more, not less. Elmer yapping without any data to back it up!

His data is all classroom based. Competent teachers in classrooms give better results **in classrooms.** Then he yaps about the classroom creating democracy, an ancient Greek word. No classrooms then, Fud!

THEN, he ASSUMES [bad!] that homeschoolers are isolated. Sheesh!

Yep, I'll email him - I'll be a bit nicer :O))

My [nasty] thots

Tim T.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary & Lisa Williams
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Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:07 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re:Stupid USA Today Article


Hi all~
Here's an article to make your blood boil.
(Maybe you've already seen it.)
Lisa

http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20030903/5464075s.htm


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Tim and Maureen

Oh! Oh! Is that why Bugs always asked Elmer "What's up, Doc?" Doc. Fud. Get it????? :O)))))

Too much fun for 6 a.m.!

Tim T

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From: Tim and Maureen
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re:Stupid USA Today Article


Consider the source...

This author is a PhD. Fud. As in Elmer? :O)) But he is also deeeeeply imbedded in the system, to the point of being a in splinter group of the education faculty, "educational leadership."

Oh! Is that an oxymoron?

The Canadian Fraser Institute (ultra right wing think tank) studied "socialization" and home schoolers have more, not less. Elmer yapping without any data to back it up!

His data is all classroom based. Competent teachers in classrooms give better results **in classrooms.** Then he yaps about the classroom creating democracy, an ancient Greek word. No classrooms then, Fud!

THEN, he ASSUMES [bad!] that homeschoolers are isolated. Sheesh!

Yep, I'll email him - I'll be a bit nicer :O))

My [nasty] thots

Tim T.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary & Lisa Williams
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:07 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re:Stupid USA Today Article


Hi all~
Here's an article to make your blood boil.
(Maybe you've already seen it.)
Lisa

http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20030903/5464075s.htm


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In a message dated 9/4/03 6:02:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tmthomas@...
writes:

> This author is a PhD. Fud. As in Elmer? :O)) But he is also deeeeeply
> imbedded in the system, to the point of being a in splinter group of the
> education faculty, "educational leadership."
>

I agree with you Tim!

All I kept thinking while reading the article was...Mr. PhD. didn't do his
homework!!! Hopefully he is not on the Board of Admission for UC Irvine! Perhaps
my fingers will do the walking and call UCI and ask if he is, I'm sure they
will be thrilled to hear from me if his is on the board. What a numbskull!

Rhonda


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[email protected]

In a message dated 9/3/03 7:28:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, freeform@...
writes:

> A quick google search turned up the author's email address, if anyone
> wants to clue him in:
> devans@...
>
> Dar
>

Thanx Dar!!! I was searching all over USA Today for the addy to email the
author and/or Editor. Perhaps being the well socialized PhD he is, he will
respond to my e-mail. I'll let you all know.

Rhonda


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coyote's corner

I have serious problems with the idea that classrooms breed democracy. I doubt there are any children from wealthy families in inner city public schools. If anything, schools breed classism; who has what sneakers or who has how many hickeys or who has this kind of hair.
I fail to understand why more parents don't homeschool; however, I fear that as the numbers increase, the govt. will come down on us.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim and Maureen
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re:Stupid USA Today Article


Consider the source...

This author is a PhD. Fud. As in Elmer? :O)) But he is also deeeeeply imbedded in the system, to the point of being a in splinter group of the education faculty, "educational leadership."

Oh! Is that an oxymoron?

The Canadian Fraser Institute (ultra right wing think tank) studied "socialization" and home schoolers have more, not less. Elmer yapping without any data to back it up!

His data is all classroom based. Competent teachers in classrooms give better results **in classrooms.** Then he yaps about the classroom creating democracy, an ancient Greek word. No classrooms then, Fud!

THEN, he ASSUMES [bad!] that homeschoolers are isolated. Sheesh!

Yep, I'll email him - I'll be a bit nicer :O))

My [nasty] thots

Tim T.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary & Lisa Williams
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:07 PM
Subject: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Re:Stupid USA Today Article


Hi all~
Here's an article to make your blood boil.
(Maybe you've already seen it.)
Lisa

http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20030903/5464075s.htm


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In a message dated 9/4/03 7:02:01 AM, tmthomas@... writes:

<< THEN, he ASSUMES [bad!] that homeschoolers are isolated. Sheesh! >>

Don't forget that some are.

<<Then he yaps about the classroom creating democracy, an ancient Greek word.
>>

Don't forget that many are in family dictatorships in which not even the
mother has any power to make decisions.

I'm not exaggerating at all. Don't defend ALL homeschoolers from his
charges. That would be as wrong as not defendng any of them.

If he's come across some Christian homeschooling family whose children are
told they don't NEED to socialize outside of Sunday at church, and whose father
is the principle and mother is the teacher, he might know more about that than
some people here do.

Sandra

lydia campbell

--- coyote's corner <jana@...> wrote:
> I have serious problems with the idea that
> classrooms breed democracy.

Well actually it does IF you understand that democracy
is mob rule (51% wins). This country was actually
started as a republic.

Lydia, mom to Lyndsey who is still a baby sea turtle
when she's not being Dora the explorer.

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