Re: [Unschooling-Discussion] This list, again WAS being home all day with kids
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In a message dated 8/9/2003 9:23:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
naliedel@... writes:
But seriously, many of us met each other IRL last year. We've stayed in one
anothers' homes, we've observed each other and been observed BY others with our
children---so we *know* it's not "all talk and no walk." Many of us talk
off-line to each other about our own lives. I'd classify it as comraderie, NOT a
clique. We have many of the same interests ---and the overwhelming HUGE
interest is in UNschooling: the purpose of these lists and boards and conferences. So
we "CLICK" on the same topic. We understand it. We LIVE it completely and
purely and radically and from deep in our hearts. It's a part of us and we like
to share it.
I think from the "outside", yes, it can look clique-ish. But cliques are
there to keep people OUT. We are DYING to share unschooling with you and ANYone
who wants it! That's why we put SO many hours into it. SOOOO many hours!
We say over and over and over to read, read, read. Because there's not a
question that I've heard in a year, that hasn't been asked and answered already
SEVERAL times here and on the boards. And yet we keep answering them, because
there are more newbies coming in every day. I'd love to see the list become a
place that unschooling is discussed, not re-hashed (and there IS one list like
that, for already-unschoolers)---but I'll happily join in and re-hash again and
again---as we all do. THAT wish will maybe be realized with our
grandchildren's children---when unschooling IS the mainstream and school is "alternative"! <
g>
We've all questioned unschooling and education and learning to the point that
we KNOW what we're talking about---and many say it SO well, I'm just awed!
We've recently questioned cliques---and we realize that we're NOT a clique
because we don't keep people OUT, we welcome them IN. Because it is a questioning
group, and we LOVE questions about unschooling, we're thrilled to introduce
newbies to Holt's principles---But we're not really good with those that want to
waste our time arguing the benefits of workbooks and curricula and external
motivation and school (and spanking! <g>). It's a waste of time on an
unschooling e-list. They can go somewhere else, because there are MANY more lists that
will happily cover those things----and tell how important they are to your
child's well-being. We disagree..
There's a reason this list is so big. And it's not because people don't feel
welcome (although there are obviously some!). We're not pushing this down
folks' throats. *They* come *here*---on their own accord. They are "guests" until
they feel a part of the family (Got that Brenda? <g>)---but THEY have to make
that decision to be a part of the family----or not. It's up to them.
I subbed and unsubbed three times before I settled in for good---because of
the icky bickering that went on. But I wasn't family *then*. I'm VERY
comfortable here now. I won't leave. You and everyone else has that option too. "It it
doesn't fit, you can always quit." (to botch the OJ lawyer) You *might* be
back---many do that because they realize that it's worth it. You may not. It's
up to you, not the list, because the list is what it is---and it does its job
VERY well.
Unschooling isn't easy---to grasp or to implement---AT FIRST. It gets easier
and easier the more you *do* it. It's life-changing and awe-inspiring and
SOOOO kid-friendly! <g>
I know that newbies don't know that and I know that when they first come
here, it seems sooo "in your face". That's why we ask that they read, read, read.
Because that way they can get a feel of what each poster is like----OVER
TIME---and they can get a feel for the dynamics of the list---plus, they can see
their own questions already in print ---and answered. We're NOT trying to brush
anyone off. We're TRYING to help.
I think it would help to understand that and to picture every one of us
wanting you to GET unschooling (and as Sandra says----offer *our* kids more options
for future mates! <G>) than to picture us as the unschooling elite who don't
want you in our "club". We DO want you in our "club"---and we want you there
as quickly as possible, so no namby-pamby talk from us! <G>
Sit back, read, read, and read some more. Attend a conference as soon as you
can afford it, and PLAY and BE with your children. Ask us questions: we are
here to answer them. But please don't bitch and moan about our delivery systems.
We are all different, and you can choose one you like the best---and some of
us will even take "private" consultations via e-mail. Just ask your favorite
poster whether s/he's willing. S/he can only say , "no".
Good unschooling!
~Kelly
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naliedel@... writes:
> What can everyone do to make people understand how they feel aboutUmmm--come to the conference? <G>
> unschooling and what works for them in a way that is positive and looks
> appealing?
But seriously, many of us met each other IRL last year. We've stayed in one
anothers' homes, we've observed each other and been observed BY others with our
children---so we *know* it's not "all talk and no walk." Many of us talk
off-line to each other about our own lives. I'd classify it as comraderie, NOT a
clique. We have many of the same interests ---and the overwhelming HUGE
interest is in UNschooling: the purpose of these lists and boards and conferences. So
we "CLICK" on the same topic. We understand it. We LIVE it completely and
purely and radically and from deep in our hearts. It's a part of us and we like
to share it.
I think from the "outside", yes, it can look clique-ish. But cliques are
there to keep people OUT. We are DYING to share unschooling with you and ANYone
who wants it! That's why we put SO many hours into it. SOOOO many hours!
We say over and over and over to read, read, read. Because there's not a
question that I've heard in a year, that hasn't been asked and answered already
SEVERAL times here and on the boards. And yet we keep answering them, because
there are more newbies coming in every day. I'd love to see the list become a
place that unschooling is discussed, not re-hashed (and there IS one list like
that, for already-unschoolers)---but I'll happily join in and re-hash again and
again---as we all do. THAT wish will maybe be realized with our
grandchildren's children---when unschooling IS the mainstream and school is "alternative"! <
g>
We've all questioned unschooling and education and learning to the point that
we KNOW what we're talking about---and many say it SO well, I'm just awed!
We've recently questioned cliques---and we realize that we're NOT a clique
because we don't keep people OUT, we welcome them IN. Because it is a questioning
group, and we LOVE questions about unschooling, we're thrilled to introduce
newbies to Holt's principles---But we're not really good with those that want to
waste our time arguing the benefits of workbooks and curricula and external
motivation and school (and spanking! <g>). It's a waste of time on an
unschooling e-list. They can go somewhere else, because there are MANY more lists that
will happily cover those things----and tell how important they are to your
child's well-being. We disagree..
There's a reason this list is so big. And it's not because people don't feel
welcome (although there are obviously some!). We're not pushing this down
folks' throats. *They* come *here*---on their own accord. They are "guests" until
they feel a part of the family (Got that Brenda? <g>)---but THEY have to make
that decision to be a part of the family----or not. It's up to them.
I subbed and unsubbed three times before I settled in for good---because of
the icky bickering that went on. But I wasn't family *then*. I'm VERY
comfortable here now. I won't leave. You and everyone else has that option too. "It it
doesn't fit, you can always quit." (to botch the OJ lawyer) You *might* be
back---many do that because they realize that it's worth it. You may not. It's
up to you, not the list, because the list is what it is---and it does its job
VERY well.
Unschooling isn't easy---to grasp or to implement---AT FIRST. It gets easier
and easier the more you *do* it. It's life-changing and awe-inspiring and
SOOOO kid-friendly! <g>
I know that newbies don't know that and I know that when they first come
here, it seems sooo "in your face". That's why we ask that they read, read, read.
Because that way they can get a feel of what each poster is like----OVER
TIME---and they can get a feel for the dynamics of the list---plus, they can see
their own questions already in print ---and answered. We're NOT trying to brush
anyone off. We're TRYING to help.
I think it would help to understand that and to picture every one of us
wanting you to GET unschooling (and as Sandra says----offer *our* kids more options
for future mates! <G>) than to picture us as the unschooling elite who don't
want you in our "club". We DO want you in our "club"---and we want you there
as quickly as possible, so no namby-pamby talk from us! <G>
Sit back, read, read, and read some more. Attend a conference as soon as you
can afford it, and PLAY and BE with your children. Ask us questions: we are
here to answer them. But please don't bitch and moan about our delivery systems.
We are all different, and you can choose one you like the best---and some of
us will even take "private" consultations via e-mail. Just ask your favorite
poster whether s/he's willing. S/he can only say , "no".
Good unschooling!
~Kelly
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[email protected]
In a message dated 8/9/2003 10:33:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
to bitch about us there. Here? It just disrupts the list that should devote
itself to unschooling.
~Kelly
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
> Because it is a questioningANd there's even a list to discuss THIS list---go figure. Anyone is welcome
> group, and we LOVE questions about unschooling, we're thrilled to introduce
> newbies to Holt's principles---But we're not really good with those that
> want to
> waste our time arguing the benefits of workbooks and curricula and external
> motivation and school (and spanking! <g>). It's a waste of time on an
> unschooling e-list. They can go somewhere else, because there are MANY more
> lists that
> will happily cover those things----and tell how important they are to your
> child's well-being. We disagree..
>
to bitch about us there. Here? It just disrupts the list that should devote
itself to unschooling.
~Kelly
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Nancy Liedel
Kelly,
I get the point and I am unsubscribing.
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I get the point and I am unsubscribing.
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Barb Eaton
Why? *I* don't get it, I really don't. I thought the post was well done.
I also thought the discussion was going well. Lots of sharing how posters
felt about the subject. I've *always* been outside any cliques. Never in
the inner cicle, anytime, anywhere. Probably never will. I don't feel there
is one here. Frequent posters, sometime posters and lurkers. Info, advice,
sharing, family life stories and websites, comfort and celebrating. That's
what I see here. Now one more opinion to add to the mix. ;-)
Barb E
"Ideas won't keep; something must be done about them."
- Alfred North Whitehead, Mathematician and philosopher
on 8/9/03 1:05 PM, Nancy Liedel at naliedel@... wrote:
I also thought the discussion was going well. Lots of sharing how posters
felt about the subject. I've *always* been outside any cliques. Never in
the inner cicle, anytime, anywhere. Probably never will. I don't feel there
is one here. Frequent posters, sometime posters and lurkers. Info, advice,
sharing, family life stories and websites, comfort and celebrating. That's
what I see here. Now one more opinion to add to the mix. ;-)
Barb E
"Ideas won't keep; something must be done about them."
- Alfred North Whitehead, Mathematician and philosopher
on 8/9/03 1:05 PM, Nancy Liedel at naliedel@... wrote:
> Kelly,
>
> I get the point and I am unsubscribing.
>
>
[email protected]
In a message dated 09/08/2003 07:33:31 Pacific Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
Nancy in BC
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
>Bravo to this entire post, Kelly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Sit back, read, read, and read some more. Attend a conference as soon as you
>
> can afford it, and PLAY and BE with your children. Ask us questions: we are
Nancy in BC
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Fetteroll
on 8/9/03 10:30 AM, kbcdlovejo@... at kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
And if you can read the archives, even better.
(BTW, if you go to the Messages at Yahoo's Unschooling-Discussion webpage,
there's a link above the list of messages on the left side that says "Expand
messages" or something like that. If you click there, it will show you 20 or
so messages at a time, sort of like a digest. It's *much* easier than
clicking through the messages one by one, with the full screen ads popping
up periodically.)
When I first visited AOL's homeschooling forum it was very intimidating. All
these people who knew so much and could spot the least little bit of off
thinking and weren't afraid to point it out.
So I read and read and read. When I was done with the message boards I read
the archives, going back 3 or 4 years.
After that it was like I'd actually been on the list for 3 or 4 years. I
knew the people, I knew the topic. Which made it very easy to post.
Joyce
> That's why we ask that they read, read, read.Yes! Yes!
> Because that way they can get a feel of what each poster is like----OVER
> TIME---and they can get a feel for the dynamics of the list
And if you can read the archives, even better.
(BTW, if you go to the Messages at Yahoo's Unschooling-Discussion webpage,
there's a link above the list of messages on the left side that says "Expand
messages" or something like that. If you click there, it will show you 20 or
so messages at a time, sort of like a digest. It's *much* easier than
clicking through the messages one by one, with the full screen ads popping
up periodically.)
When I first visited AOL's homeschooling forum it was very intimidating. All
these people who knew so much and could spot the least little bit of off
thinking and weren't afraid to point it out.
So I read and read and read. When I was done with the message boards I read
the archives, going back 3 or 4 years.
After that it was like I'd actually been on the list for 3 or 4 years. I
knew the people, I knew the topic. Which made it very easy to post.
Joyce