Dog question
Deborah Lewis
Do retrieving dogs who have been trained (is that the right word?) for
hunting stop retrieving for fun?
Will they still make you throw a tennis ball for six hours?
Kelly? If you know the answer I'll make a recording of my yodeling
basenji for you! ; ) She says "mama" when she wants a cookie. <g>
Deb L
hunting stop retrieving for fun?
Will they still make you throw a tennis ball for six hours?
Kelly? If you know the answer I'll make a recording of my yodeling
basenji for you! ; ) She says "mama" when she wants a cookie. <g>
Deb L
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<<<In a message dated 6/25/2003 7:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:
Dogs that are bred to retreive /hunt have that trait imbedded in them. It
comes natural. We have 7mo and 2 mo old Brittany's that will point a fly. We
didnt teach them that it came natural. Same goes with birds. They will if pushed
stop doing what they know pleases the owner. For instance someone over using
an ecollar can break a dog and ruin it. The dog will refuse to follow commands.
15-20 minutes a few times a day is fine. Once the dogs looses interest he/she
is done and the owner should stop as it is too be fun not work.
What is your concern? Is this a new dog?
Laura D
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ddzimlew@... writes:
> Do retrieving dogs who have been trained (is that the right word?) forFor fun?
> hunting stop retrieving for fun?
> Will they still make you throw a tennis ball for six hours?>>>>>>>
Dogs that are bred to retreive /hunt have that trait imbedded in them. It
comes natural. We have 7mo and 2 mo old Brittany's that will point a fly. We
didnt teach them that it came natural. Same goes with birds. They will if pushed
stop doing what they know pleases the owner. For instance someone over using
an ecollar can break a dog and ruin it. The dog will refuse to follow commands.
15-20 minutes a few times a day is fine. Once the dogs looses interest he/she
is done and the owner should stop as it is too be fun not work.
What is your concern? Is this a new dog?
Laura D
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Deborah Lewis
***What is your concern? Is this a new dog?***
He's not my dog, he's an acquaintance - he belongs to my mother's
neighbor. I stopped to visit and his person told me their new dog,
another golden retriever, would chase the ball if I wanted to play, but
Teddy didn't like to any more after being trained for hunting.
Was he just trying to keep me from playing with his dog? <g> I've known
this guy for a few years, seems like he'd just say so. I'd never heard
that a trained dog wouldn't want to play anymore.
My neighbor's Lab brings me the ball after she's worn out all the people
at her house, but she's not a hunting dog, just a tennis ball dog.
Deb L
He's not my dog, he's an acquaintance - he belongs to my mother's
neighbor. I stopped to visit and his person told me their new dog,
another golden retriever, would chase the ball if I wanted to play, but
Teddy didn't like to any more after being trained for hunting.
Was he just trying to keep me from playing with his dog? <g> I've known
this guy for a few years, seems like he'd just say so. I'd never heard
that a trained dog wouldn't want to play anymore.
My neighbor's Lab brings me the ball after she's worn out all the people
at her house, but she's not a hunting dog, just a tennis ball dog.
Deb L
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/25/2003 7:58:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:
Some are trained to retrieve (force trained---ear pinch). They retrieve on
command. Most have enough (sometimes too much, in MY non-retriever mind)
instinct that they retrieve constantly and happily. It's what they do. (Like
expecting a terrier to not dig or a collie to not herd, expecting a retriever not to
retrieve is futile).
But my Weimaraner was a ball NUT and carried a ball or bumper whenever she
could. We *could* tell her, "Fui!" and she would quit nagging us to throw it.
But her eyes would never leave it, and if you made *any* kind of move toward it,
she was back to nagging.
Retrievers CRAVE retrieving. There ARE exceptions: some don't care at all.
Most worry you to death though---and some are just plain NUTS. Ball-obsessed.
Why are you asking? Are you thinking of getting one? Already trained?
Can ya' just put her on the next plane?
~Kelly, who can't stand retrievers, but is oddly basenji-obsessed! <G>
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ddzimlew@... writes:
> Do retrieving dogs who have been trained (is that the right word?) forWhy are you asking?
> hunting stop retrieving for fun?
> Will they still make you throw a tennis ball for six hours?
>
> Kelly? If you know the answer I'll make a recording of my yodeling
> basenji for you! ; ) She says "mama" when she wants a cookie. <g>
Some are trained to retrieve (force trained---ear pinch). They retrieve on
command. Most have enough (sometimes too much, in MY non-retriever mind)
instinct that they retrieve constantly and happily. It's what they do. (Like
expecting a terrier to not dig or a collie to not herd, expecting a retriever not to
retrieve is futile).
But my Weimaraner was a ball NUT and carried a ball or bumper whenever she
could. We *could* tell her, "Fui!" and she would quit nagging us to throw it.
But her eyes would never leave it, and if you made *any* kind of move toward it,
she was back to nagging.
Retrievers CRAVE retrieving. There ARE exceptions: some don't care at all.
Most worry you to death though---and some are just plain NUTS. Ball-obsessed.
Why are you asking? Are you thinking of getting one? Already trained?
Can ya' just put her on the next plane?
~Kelly, who can't stand retrievers, but is oddly basenji-obsessed! <G>
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In a message dated 6/25/2003 8:38:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:
(or lessen) desire.
And trained dogs may be shocked to keep them from retrieving balls and
bumpers rather than birds. The BIRD is the game, not the toys.
~Kelly
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ddzimlew@... writes:
> He's not my dog, he's an acquaintance - he belongs to my mother'sForce training (ear pinch) will ENSURE a quick, clean retrieve, but can ruin
> neighbor. I stopped to visit and his person told me their new dog,
> another golden retriever, would chase the ball if I wanted to play, but
> Teddy didn't like to any more after being trained for hunting.
(or lessen) desire.
And trained dogs may be shocked to keep them from retrieving balls and
bumpers rather than birds. The BIRD is the game, not the toys.
~Kelly
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<<<In a message dated 6/25/2003 8:38:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:
***What is your concern? Is this a new dog?***
He's not my dog, he's an acquaintance - he belongs to my mother's
neighbor. I stopped to visit and his person told me their new dog,
another golden retriever, would chase the ball if I wanted to play, but
Teddy didn't like to any more after being trained for hunting.
Was he just trying to keep me from playing with his dog? <g> I've known
this guy for a few years, seems like he'd just say so. I'd never heard
that a trained dog wouldn't want to play anymore. >>
Might be that the dog knows the owner and his commands. Might be he taught
the dog not to hassle visitors. Hard to say.
You might be right too. Some hunting dog owners get touchy with people taking
control afraid the dog will not listen to them. Maybe he is afraid the dog
may like you more who knows. If it felt so it probably is that your feelings are
on cue. I know I sound unsure, I am. I have seen so many versions of hunting
dog owners that it really goes by the personality or the owner.
Laura D
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ddzimlew@... writes:
***What is your concern? Is this a new dog?***
He's not my dog, he's an acquaintance - he belongs to my mother's
neighbor. I stopped to visit and his person told me their new dog,
another golden retriever, would chase the ball if I wanted to play, but
Teddy didn't like to any more after being trained for hunting.
Was he just trying to keep me from playing with his dog? <g> I've known
this guy for a few years, seems like he'd just say so. I'd never heard
that a trained dog wouldn't want to play anymore. >>
Might be that the dog knows the owner and his commands. Might be he taught
the dog not to hassle visitors. Hard to say.
You might be right too. Some hunting dog owners get touchy with people taking
control afraid the dog will not listen to them. Maybe he is afraid the dog
may like you more who knows. If it felt so it probably is that your feelings are
on cue. I know I sound unsure, I am. I have seen so many versions of hunting
dog owners that it really goes by the personality or the owner.
Laura D
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/25/2003 8:38:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:
A trained dog needs to KNOW that, if he's given a command to fetch, the
object is OUT THERE. As a trainer, I personally HATE when people pretend to throw a
bumper and the dog goes searching. MY dogs need to know that if I say a bird
(or whatever) is out there, that it IS out there. He has to trust me. That
teasing just pisses me off in a BIG way! HUGE pet peeve! I want my dogs to
believe when I say the bird is still there that the bird is still there---search
harder. Don't come back looking at me like, "Where is it? Did ya' throw it yet?
Huh? Huh?"
Can you tell it strikes a nerve? <G>
~Kelly
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ddzimlew@... writes:
> Was he just trying to keep me from playing with his dog? <g> I've knownwell, and he might not want you to ruin the dog.
> this guy for a few years, seems like he'd just say so. I'd never heard
> that a trained dog wouldn't want to play anymore.
A trained dog needs to KNOW that, if he's given a command to fetch, the
object is OUT THERE. As a trainer, I personally HATE when people pretend to throw a
bumper and the dog goes searching. MY dogs need to know that if I say a bird
(or whatever) is out there, that it IS out there. He has to trust me. That
teasing just pisses me off in a BIG way! HUGE pet peeve! I want my dogs to
believe when I say the bird is still there that the bird is still there---search
harder. Don't come back looking at me like, "Where is it? Did ya' throw it yet?
Huh? Huh?"
Can you tell it strikes a nerve? <G>
~Kelly
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In a message dated 6/25/2003 9:14:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, HMSL2@...
writes:
dog owners only let them out to hunt, they stay in a run type kennel or tied up
otherwise :o(. I think they believe it makes the dog better for hunting.
Not sure why. These dogs LIVE to hunt...possibly because that's their only
"fun" but also because it is meticulously bred into them. I've seen many hunters
pay more for their dog than their car.
Nancy
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writes:
> Some hunting dog owners get touchy with people takingOut here in WV, where school closes for hunting season :o) a lot of hunting
> control afraid the dog will not listen to them. Maybe he is afraid the dog
> may like you more who knows. If it felt so it probably is that your feelings
> are
> on cue. I know I sound unsure, I am. I have seen so many versions of hunting
>
> dog owners that it really goes by the personality or the owner.
>
dog owners only let them out to hunt, they stay in a run type kennel or tied up
otherwise :o(. I think they believe it makes the dog better for hunting.
Not sure why. These dogs LIVE to hunt...possibly because that's their only
"fun" but also because it is meticulously bred into them. I've seen many hunters
pay more for their dog than their car.
Nancy
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Deborah Lewis
***Force training (ear pinch) will ENSURE a quick, clean retrieve, but
can ruin
(or lessen) desire.
And trained dogs may be shocked to keep them from retrieving balls and
bumpers rather than birds. The BIRD is the game, not the toys.***
Well, that's mean. I don't know anything about training dogs. I can't
even keep mine off the washing machine, <g> but I wouldn't have the
stomach for that.
I guess I'll ask him next time I'm there.
***As a trainer, I personally HATE when people pretend to throw a
bumper and the dog goes searching.***
Lying to a dog seems hugely unethical. Dogs are among the most honest
people I know.
***Can ya' just put her on the next plane?***
I know I've complained about her quirkiness, but she's the most loving
dog. She'll be fourteen this year and has a little arthritis in her
front leg. I can't bear to think of her getting older and not being
here someday.
Deb L
can ruin
(or lessen) desire.
And trained dogs may be shocked to keep them from retrieving balls and
bumpers rather than birds. The BIRD is the game, not the toys.***
Well, that's mean. I don't know anything about training dogs. I can't
even keep mine off the washing machine, <g> but I wouldn't have the
stomach for that.
I guess I'll ask him next time I'm there.
***As a trainer, I personally HATE when people pretend to throw a
bumper and the dog goes searching.***
Lying to a dog seems hugely unethical. Dogs are among the most honest
people I know.
***Can ya' just put her on the next plane?***
I know I've complained about her quirkiness, but she's the most loving
dog. She'll be fourteen this year and has a little arthritis in her
front leg. I can't bear to think of her getting older and not being
here someday.
Deb L
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/26/2003 8:56:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ddzimlew@... writes:
the means. They NEED to retrieve that bird, no questions asked. I've used the
ear-pinch. I KNOW it works--it makes a reliable retriever. But my dogs and I
prefer the "fun" way.
this way!
~Kelly
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ddzimlew@... writes:
> Well, that's mean. I don't know anything about training dogs. I can'tYeah, but they're WORKING dogs, and some trainers believe the end justifies
> even keep mine off the washing machine, <g> but I wouldn't have the
> stomach for that.
> I guess I'll ask him next time I'm there.
the means. They NEED to retrieve that bird, no questions asked. I've used the
ear-pinch. I KNOW it works--it makes a reliable retriever. But my dogs and I
prefer the "fun" way.
> ***As a trainer, I personally HATE when people pretend to throw a<G> But I'll bet DOZENS of folks on this list are guilty of teasing the dog
> bumper and the dog goes searching.***
>
> Lying to a dog seems hugely unethical. Dogs are among the most honest
> people I know.
this way!
> ***Can ya' just put her on the next plane?***Bummer. I thought I'd lucked out! <g>
>
> I know I've complained about her quirkiness, but she's the most loving
> dog. She'll be fourteen this year and has a little arthritis in her
> front leg. I can't bear to think of her getting older and not being
> here someday.
~Kelly
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In a message dated 6/26/03 9:23:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
loves to fetch. Sometimes I throw the ball and she doesn't see where it
lands so she will search for a while then look at me like "Mom ...where did it go"
so I pretend to throw it again with a real exaggerated throw, in the
direction that the ball went. She then runs that way and will often come up with the
ball.
Maybe it is just laziness on my part. I don't want to run all the way down
in the field to retrieve the ball myself. LOL. It works most of the time but
occasionally I have to go actually point out where the ball is. It is funny
to see her pounce on the ball when I am about 6 inches from it and look at me
like. "Didn't I do a good job Mom." LOL
Pam G.
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
> <G> But I'll bet DOZENS of folks on this list are guilty of teasing theI have to admit I do this on occasion, not in the teasing way though. My lab
> dog
> this way!
>
>
loves to fetch. Sometimes I throw the ball and she doesn't see where it
lands so she will search for a while then look at me like "Mom ...where did it go"
so I pretend to throw it again with a real exaggerated throw, in the
direction that the ball went. She then runs that way and will often come up with the
ball.
Maybe it is just laziness on my part. I don't want to run all the way down
in the field to retrieve the ball myself. LOL. It works most of the time but
occasionally I have to go actually point out where the ball is. It is funny
to see her pounce on the ball when I am about 6 inches from it and look at me
like. "Didn't I do a good job Mom." LOL
Pam G.
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> But I'll bet DOZENS of folks on this list are guilty of teasing theYeah, like Pam also said, I've been guilty of doing this too. Though not
> >dog
> >this way!
>
just for "kicks" Our lab LOVES to retrieve and play ball. Sometimes if she
won't come when I call her ( and she is close enough to see me) I pretend to
throw a ball so she comes running to look for it. Then, I have her attention
and I can "get" her. Of course, if I actually have a ball or a stick, or heck
anything.. lol, I'll just throw that to get her attention.
Teresa
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