Tim and Maureen

Hmmm, this has been interesting and now I'm hearing Joyce (whose opinion I respect a great deal), but I thot I "owned" my stuff. I said "I have yet to meet a Christian who can accept
> people as just people." Me, just me, in my humble opinion, etc. The ones I met are "overpowered by" and the ones I met (not the whole bunch 'cause I've never been to S.C. or Hawaii) annoyed me.

Now, that aside, I like what you say Joyce - the large majority of the self-identified Christians are proselytising and I hate it. But in talking about my beliefs, esp. about unschooling, it seems, here in Canuck-ville, I have had people slowly admit they are Christian and I find the malady is still there.

So, I'm stopping on this thread - letting it go - but I would LOVE to see an FAQ on how to "own" your stuff - and how to acknowledge the other person owned it. I think Sandar was trying to help me own it with the spat with Deb from IL on another thread and here I tried it again. (Damn! Now I'm grumpy.)

Tim T

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on 6/23/03 5:24 PM, tmthomas@... at tmthomas@... wrote:

> In my short life of 41 years, I have yet to meet a Chrisitan who can accept
> people as just people. I believe that they are overpowered with the original
> sin mythology and belive we are all flawed rather than intrinsically valuable.
> They also completely subjugate animals as lower forms of life. And they deny
> what seems to me to be the obvious truth of evolution.

Which makes it sound like all liberals are nonChristian.

Did you say you were in Canada? Are things that different in Canada?

Since you make the distinction between Christian and Buddhist/Taoist I
assume you mean by Christianity the religion that encompases Presbyterians,
Lutherans, Methodists and so forth.

And yet you mention their denial of evolution. That belief is only true of
Bible literalists and they don't represent the majority of Christians.

In America it's a fairly safe assumption that everyone we meet is Christian.
And yet Americans can be anywhere from conservative to liberal. So it's not
safe to make the broad statement you did.

*Unless* someone lives in the Bible Belt. *Unless* someone is confining
their assumptions about Christians to people who *tell* others they're
Christian.

In the US people don't go around telling people they're Christians. It's
just assumed. It'd be like telling people they're human ;-)

*Unless* what they mean by Christian is fundamentalist Christian. And *then*
the reason they're telling you they're Christian is because they're
proselytizing. And proselytizing is part of the package that includes the
viewpoints you mentioned above. So it's likely that anyone who proselytizes
also holds the other beliefs.

So, how do you know the judgemental people you've met are Christian? Have
they told you? Are you aware of their religion because of the cirucmstances
you're meeting them in. Christians you meet in a demonstration outside a
Planned Parenthood clinic are not likely to be a broad spectrum of
Christians ;-)

Joyce


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Fetteroll

on 6/24/03 9:20 AM, Tim and Maureen at tmthomas@... wrote:

> Joyce (whose opinion I respect a great deal)

Thanks Tim!

> but I would LOVE to see an FAQ on how to "own" your stuff - and how to
> acknowledge the other person owned it.

By owning your stuff, do you mean that if others hear a thought that doesn't
make sense to them that they should accept that you've come to your beliefs
with a great deal of experience, thought and insight and that they shouldn't
ask you to explain yourself?

Won't happen. Not on this lsit! ;-)

If you don't want an opinion questioned, then it's best not to post it.

I'll qualify that though. When we're talking about unschooling, it's
presumed that those who have proven that they can back up what they're
saying with experience, thought and insight can, indeed, do so with whatever
they say.

The "proven over time" people don't get to rest on that presumption, though!
They aren't "experts" in the sense that people should just accept what they
say. They still need to continue to make sense and be able to back up what
they're saying. *But* if someone is battering at them asking them to prove
every little bit because unschooling sounds so impossible to believe, then,
to keep the list useful for others, the "proven over time" people have the
privilege of saying "Look, you'll just need to accept that I know what I'm
talking about for now and read until this starts to make sense."

Joyce