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In a message dated 6/23/03 8:58:54 PM, bobalinga@... writes:

<< I don't even know how to get a midwife plus I've heard horror stories
about forced caesareans (I want a VBAC) and forced vaccinations and circumcision.
I'm tempted to fly home where its all familiar! >>

My American friend just had a baby in London (having had two here before) and
was WAY happy with things there, compared to here.

Sandra

Bling Williams

SandraDodd@... wrote:

In a message dated 6/23/03 8:58:54 PM, bobalinga@... writes:

<< I don't even know how to get a midwife plus I've heard horror stories
about forced caesareans (I want a VBAC) and forced vaccinations and circumcision.
I'm tempted to fly home where its all familiar! >>

My American friend just had a baby in London (having had two here before) and
was WAY happy with things there, compared to here.

Sandra

I have found that UK medicine isn't as 'nanny-like' as here. With Rhodri I didn't see a Doc until I was 8 months along. He just sighed but my family doc here says I must an obstetrician (I've never seen one of them. Back home they are for high-risk pregnancies only) and go reguarly etc etc plus the chances of me being *allowed* a vaginal birth after 3 C-sections is remore. *Allowed*???

Grrrrrrrr

Shyrley



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on 6/24/03 10:15 AM, Bling Williams at bobalinga@... wrote:

> I have found that UK medicine isn't as 'nanny-like' as here. With Rhodri I
> didn't see a Doc until I was 8 months along. He just sighed but my family doc
> here says I must an obstetrician (I've never seen one of them. Back home they
> are for high-risk pregnancies only) and go reguarly etc etc plus the chances
> of me being *allowed* a vaginal birth after 3 C-sections is remore.
> *Allowed*???

I'm not saying this makes the practice right, but -- though maybe it's
becoming less true with all the immigrants moving to England -- England is a
more uniform society. The common wisdom you share and how you go about
passing it on doesn't encompass as many styles. And if some new information
comes out, it will be harder for someone to not hear it because no one can
move that far away in England from someone who knows the truth.

But not so in America. We can easily escape new wisdom. America is *vast*.
Our common wisdom is pretty spotty. And we don't have a common method of
passing anything on. Probably because we've had so many cultures mingling so
we've sort of devolved to a set of family practices that will offend the
fewest people. Which leaves us with not much of anything.

I'm betting in Britain it's far rarer for a doctor to encounter someone who
is totally clueless about what to do during pregnancy. But I bet that's not
so in America. Doctors here, because of lawsuits, are kind of backed into a
corner of protecting everyone from the stupidity of far too many.

Joyce

cmkerin

I highly recommend a list right here on yahoo called empoweredchildbirth. Most on the list do unassisted homebirths I believe but they are very knowledgeable and are respectful if you decide have a midwife or even give birth in a hospital (not always the case on some lists I've heard). I'm almost sure I remember a few members from your area of the states too.

Congratulations!

Joyce









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In a message dated 6/24/03 8:48:40 AM, fetteroll@... writes:

<< Doctors here, because of lawsuits, are kind of backed into a
corner of protecting everyone from the stupidity of far too many. >>

And in England they don't jump to the most expensive option very easily
because of government health. So for situations in which the mom WANTS
simple/natural/non-invasive, England's system is an advantage.

Sandra

ibhayi.afrika

>
> I have found that UK medicine isn't as 'nanny-like' as here. With Rhodri I
didn't see a Doc until I was 8 months along. He just sighed but my family
doc here says I must an obstetrician (I've never seen one of them. Back home
they are for high-risk pregnancies only) and go reguarly etc etc plus the
chances of me being *allowed* a vaginal birth after 3 C-sections is remore.
*Allowed*???
>
> Grrrrrrrr
>
> Shyrley

Got to chip in here - I found UK system VERY nanny-like. Was ordered about
by an OB/GYN and lectured for being "so stupid" as to fall pregnant with #4
after having 3 C-Sections. Was told "NO WAY" to even trying for a normal
delivery and wouldn't even consider epidural anaesthetic. I wasn't "Allowed"
a say.......
Midwife was the same, ditto GP and second opinion I sought. No-one was
prepared to risk delivering vaginally after so many sections - they even
threatened me with the Mental Health Act!!!! ( where I could be "sectioned"
for endangering my life and forced to accept treatment and held in hospital
for up to 6 months pending psychiatric review)

So I guess poor treatment can happen anywhere :(

Martina