Mother of two, have questions regarding reading
LeAnn
Hi everyone, I am a young mother of two boys, aged four and one. My
four-year-old is in love with books, and I so want him to be able to
read. What have any of you done to teach your children to read, or
have they simply learned by watching and being read to? This may
sound silly, but I have absolutely no clue what to do. I'm sure you
all can identify with my excitement over his eagerness, I just don't
want to mess it up. I don't want to do nothing if that is
the "wrong" thing to do, and make him have a hard time with reading
in the future. But on the other hand I don't want to push and poke
at him to make him do something he could do on his own. Any
suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!
LeAnn
four-year-old is in love with books, and I so want him to be able to
read. What have any of you done to teach your children to read, or
have they simply learned by watching and being read to? This may
sound silly, but I have absolutely no clue what to do. I'm sure you
all can identify with my excitement over his eagerness, I just don't
want to mess it up. I don't want to do nothing if that is
the "wrong" thing to do, and make him have a hard time with reading
in the future. But on the other hand I don't want to push and poke
at him to make him do something he could do on his own. Any
suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!
LeAnn
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/22/2003 6:09:20 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
wineredroses@... writes:
positive.
Teaching the way they taught it in school is probably NOT one of those
things!
You're probably already doing these things, but...
Playing with rhyming words in the car (I used that example because people are
less likely to have paper and pencil there, and doing it orally/aurally, just
messing with sounds, is the point).
Reading all kinds of things to him. Not just books.
Reading aloud to other people, your husband, a friend on the phone, where he
will hear reading aloud is not just for non-readers to hear.
Playing with letters (scratching them on his back with your finger, painting
them in fingerpaints or pudding in a clean baking dish, or in the sand, or
sprayed on a wall with a water gun, or...
People underestimate talking, watching movies, singing songs, learning
lyrics, dialogs, scenes from plays or comedy routines. A large and happy vocabulary
is a great thing to have when he starts figuring out in his own way what words
say what.
Books on tape could be good because there's sometimes (with some authors) a
difference between literary English and spoken English.
There's no hurry for any of that. He can learn mounds and mountains of stuff
without reading.
My kids learned to read gradually and in their own ways. It's irreplaceable
in their experience, and makes all the rest of their learning easy. I know
they learned to read on their own. THEY know it too. Few other things will
ever be as complicated or profound as that!
They didn't learn in a vacuum, and nothing else they ever do will need to be
learned without people to ask, examples to see, etc. either.
Here's a collection of families' accounts and differences:
<A HREF="http://sandradodd.com/reading">http://sandradodd.com/reading</A>
Sandra
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wineredroses@... writes:
> I don't want to push and pokeI think there are lots of things you can do that would be fun and ultimately
> at him to make him do something he could do on his own.
positive.
Teaching the way they taught it in school is probably NOT one of those
things!
You're probably already doing these things, but...
Playing with rhyming words in the car (I used that example because people are
less likely to have paper and pencil there, and doing it orally/aurally, just
messing with sounds, is the point).
Reading all kinds of things to him. Not just books.
Reading aloud to other people, your husband, a friend on the phone, where he
will hear reading aloud is not just for non-readers to hear.
Playing with letters (scratching them on his back with your finger, painting
them in fingerpaints or pudding in a clean baking dish, or in the sand, or
sprayed on a wall with a water gun, or...
People underestimate talking, watching movies, singing songs, learning
lyrics, dialogs, scenes from plays or comedy routines. A large and happy vocabulary
is a great thing to have when he starts figuring out in his own way what words
say what.
Books on tape could be good because there's sometimes (with some authors) a
difference between literary English and spoken English.
There's no hurry for any of that. He can learn mounds and mountains of stuff
without reading.
My kids learned to read gradually and in their own ways. It's irreplaceable
in their experience, and makes all the rest of their learning easy. I know
they learned to read on their own. THEY know it too. Few other things will
ever be as complicated or profound as that!
They didn't learn in a vacuum, and nothing else they ever do will need to be
learned without people to ask, examples to see, etc. either.
Here's a collection of families' accounts and differences:
<A HREF="http://sandradodd.com/reading">http://sandradodd.com/reading</A>
Sandra
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kulahawaii
I think being in love with books is fabulous for a 4 year old.
Here's my reading story. I have two kids age 8 and 10. The 10 yo
loved books almost from the moment of her birth. I thought she would
read really early, like 4 or 5. As it turned out, she could read a
few selected words at those ages like our names and the word love
(always a favorite!). However, she didn't read a book until age 7.5
(with no reading lessons, just answering her questions when she had
them). She is a Harry Potter fan and is in the middle of the new
book now. This is first one that she is reading on her own. In the
past I read them all to her, but she was so anxious to get going on
it she couldn't wait for me this time.
It's ok to just read aloud and encourage a love of books without
thinking they need to learn to read right away. Right now, my son
who will be 9 in 3 months is not a reader, but he absolutely loves
books. He was the complete opposite of his sister, he couldn't even
sit for a read aloud until he was 5.5. I despaired for years that he
wouldn't love books, and then boom, he did. Now, he loves to be read
to, loves to sit and look at picture books on his own. I'm sure that
he won't be able to read books for a long time, but that's ok. He
does recognize his name. In fact, he went out the mailbox yesterday
and came back with the mail saying he got two letters! I was very
surprised, but he did read his name on the letters.
Please, let your son come to reading on his own. When he does it
himself he will be so proud.
Kristin
--- In [email protected], "LeAnn"
<wineredroses@y...> wrote:
Here's my reading story. I have two kids age 8 and 10. The 10 yo
loved books almost from the moment of her birth. I thought she would
read really early, like 4 or 5. As it turned out, she could read a
few selected words at those ages like our names and the word love
(always a favorite!). However, she didn't read a book until age 7.5
(with no reading lessons, just answering her questions when she had
them). She is a Harry Potter fan and is in the middle of the new
book now. This is first one that she is reading on her own. In the
past I read them all to her, but she was so anxious to get going on
it she couldn't wait for me this time.
It's ok to just read aloud and encourage a love of books without
thinking they need to learn to read right away. Right now, my son
who will be 9 in 3 months is not a reader, but he absolutely loves
books. He was the complete opposite of his sister, he couldn't even
sit for a read aloud until he was 5.5. I despaired for years that he
wouldn't love books, and then boom, he did. Now, he loves to be read
to, loves to sit and look at picture books on his own. I'm sure that
he won't be able to read books for a long time, but that's ok. He
does recognize his name. In fact, he went out the mailbox yesterday
and came back with the mail saying he got two letters! I was very
surprised, but he did read his name on the letters.
Please, let your son come to reading on his own. When he does it
himself he will be so proud.
Kristin
--- In [email protected], "LeAnn"
<wineredroses@y...> wrote:
> Hi everyone, I am a young mother of two boys, aged four and one.My
> four-year-old is in love with books, and I so want him to be ableto
> read. What have any of you done to teach your children to read, oryou
> have they simply learned by watching and being read to? This may
> sound silly, but I have absolutely no clue what to do. I'm sure
> all can identify with my excitement over his eagerness, I justdon't
> want to mess it up. I don't want to do nothing if that is
> the "wrong" thing to do, and make him have a hard time with reading
> in the future. But on the other hand I don't want to push and poke
> at him to make him do something he could do on his own. Any
> suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!
> LeAnn
Joylyn
In my mind, unschooling is not the total absence of direct learning (or
teaching), instead it is simply letting children decide the method, the
time, the timing, etc. I bought Janene (who is five today!) an Explode
the Code Book. It's a pretty good book to teach reading. She was
totally into it. For the first few days she worked 10-15 pages a day.
One night she announced she was staying up and studying ALL NIGHT. She
told me I could sleep on the couch because she was lying in my spot on
the bed so she could work better with the light. She picked the book
(with my guidance) and worked through it (with my help) but she asked
for the book. We read aloud to her a great deal, she writes constantly,
our home is FILLED with books, (one job that has to be done regularly is
to empty the bathrooms of reading material, and reshelve the books that
are left by various locations including the beds and chairs and kitchen
table.) Reading is everywhere, so I know Janene will learn to read.
But she has ASKED to learn to read now so I am helping her. I have
told her what things we can do (the explode the code book, flash cards,
bob books, etc.) and she picked the explode the code, bob books, and
reading games. We have always played rhyming and word games, and she
began writing by herself a long time ago. Life creates so many writing
opportunities, she writes down my order when she's playing waitress,
writes menus, writes notes to me or to her friends, she is writing all
the time and through writing she is learning to read. Through reading
she is learning to write. I know that if I wanted to I could do nothing
and she'd learn to read, because reading and writing are part of our
life, our culture and it would simply happen. But I also know that
Janene wants to learn now, has asked to learn, and so I am helping her.
If she had asked to learn how to make cookies, Iwould provide the
materials and the help and we would make cookies. Same with reading. I
provide the materials and help her and we learn.
I should note, she works in the book as she chooses. I don't make her
do five pages a day, or ask her. It's there, on the table. She's been
busy the last few days with the new HP book and her birthday party. So
she hasn't done anything in it. It'll happen. Just like everything
else, she will start college reading, she will be weaned, will no longer
be sleeping in the bed with me, she will not wet her college dorm bed,
and she will have learned how to fold her own laundry and scrub a
toilet. Well, no guarantees on the last two things. ;-)
Joylyn
LeAnn wrote:
teaching), instead it is simply letting children decide the method, the
time, the timing, etc. I bought Janene (who is five today!) an Explode
the Code Book. It's a pretty good book to teach reading. She was
totally into it. For the first few days she worked 10-15 pages a day.
One night she announced she was staying up and studying ALL NIGHT. She
told me I could sleep on the couch because she was lying in my spot on
the bed so she could work better with the light. She picked the book
(with my guidance) and worked through it (with my help) but she asked
for the book. We read aloud to her a great deal, she writes constantly,
our home is FILLED with books, (one job that has to be done regularly is
to empty the bathrooms of reading material, and reshelve the books that
are left by various locations including the beds and chairs and kitchen
table.) Reading is everywhere, so I know Janene will learn to read.
But she has ASKED to learn to read now so I am helping her. I have
told her what things we can do (the explode the code book, flash cards,
bob books, etc.) and she picked the explode the code, bob books, and
reading games. We have always played rhyming and word games, and she
began writing by herself a long time ago. Life creates so many writing
opportunities, she writes down my order when she's playing waitress,
writes menus, writes notes to me or to her friends, she is writing all
the time and through writing she is learning to read. Through reading
she is learning to write. I know that if I wanted to I could do nothing
and she'd learn to read, because reading and writing are part of our
life, our culture and it would simply happen. But I also know that
Janene wants to learn now, has asked to learn, and so I am helping her.
If she had asked to learn how to make cookies, Iwould provide the
materials and the help and we would make cookies. Same with reading. I
provide the materials and help her and we learn.
I should note, she works in the book as she chooses. I don't make her
do five pages a day, or ask her. It's there, on the table. She's been
busy the last few days with the new HP book and her birthday party. So
she hasn't done anything in it. It'll happen. Just like everything
else, she will start college reading, she will be weaned, will no longer
be sleeping in the bed with me, she will not wet her college dorm bed,
and she will have learned how to fold her own laundry and scrub a
toilet. Well, no guarantees on the last two things. ;-)
Joylyn
LeAnn wrote:
> Hi everyone, I am a young mother of two boys, aged four and one. My[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> four-year-old is in love with books, and I so want him to be able to
> read. What have any of you done to teach your children to read, or
> have they simply learned by watching and being read to? This may
> sound silly, but I have absolutely no clue what to do. I'm sure you
> all can identify with my excitement over his eagerness, I just don't
> want to mess it up. I don't want to do nothing if that is
> the "wrong" thing to do, and make him have a hard time with reading
> in the future. But on the other hand I don't want to push and poke
> at him to make him do something he could do on his own. Any
> suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!
> LeAnn
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In a message dated 6/22/2003 9:18:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
joylyn@... writes:
(or type and print out) and she would either read the printout or write it in
her own writing and read it aloud to anyone who would listen!
All my kids liked song yrics and would read along with lyrics before they
could have read independently. Because of the format and the familiarity of most
of the lyrics, if there was one unclear phrase or word they could find it and
puzzle it out, or figure out which of their options/guesses it was.
Today Holly finished the first long book she's ever read. She started
reading it because another homeschooling friend of hers had been directed to read
it, at least one chapter a day. Her friend still hasn't finished. She's made
excuses for not reading, she has been punished for not reading, but she hasn't
finished and Holly, with no requirement or pressure, has.
Sandra
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joylyn@... writes:
> she is writing allHolly loved reading things she had written. She would dictate, I would print
> the time and through writing she is learning to read.
(or type and print out) and she would either read the printout or write it in
her own writing and read it aloud to anyone who would listen!
All my kids liked song yrics and would read along with lyrics before they
could have read independently. Because of the format and the familiarity of most
of the lyrics, if there was one unclear phrase or word they could find it and
puzzle it out, or figure out which of their options/guesses it was.
Today Holly finished the first long book she's ever read. She started
reading it because another homeschooling friend of hers had been directed to read
it, at least one chapter a day. Her friend still hasn't finished. She's made
excuses for not reading, she has been punished for not reading, but she hasn't
finished and Holly, with no requirement or pressure, has.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/22/2003 8:10:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wineredroses@... writes:
Hi everyone, I am a young mother of two boys, aged four and one. My
four-year-old is in love with books, and I so want him to be able to
read. What have any of you done to teach your children to read, or
have they simply learned by watching and being read to? Leann
Dear Leann,
Our family spent 3 1/2 years in the schools trying to help our son read. (He
read better before he began)
To make a long story short and what brought us to Unschooling was letting him
go.
What I mean is I let him read, view look at whatever he wanted. Magazines,
Closed Captioning (while baby slept in my room and we sat together), Video
games, comic books anything he wanted. Eventually he requested the larger books,
novels to be precise. Our son went from mags to adultish chapter books. Once he
found he liked to follow the stories he jumped in and hasn't stopped.
Unlike yours our son disliked reading. He would not pick one up let alone
even let me buy one just to have around. Now he asks to go to the book store.
I know I have said it before but because of my joy I'll repeat myself. Our
son was labeled LD in school and told us he will always struggle. They had no
faith in him and one private school even told us he was lazy (never looked at
his records nor spoke with me before making that statement though I had written
two notes to her telling her as an FYI that he had some struggles. I met with
her, told her and she said it again so I pulled him out. Funny thing is they
are still demanding the rest of that school years tuition and have sent me to
collections. I am not paying it and as a matter of fact I told the collector
that called the other day that I just might sue them for damages. lol,after I
told the collector the story she told me to send in all his HS stuff, the letter
from the teacher calling him lazy and they would close the account and tell
the school they would not collect on such a situation. HUH!
Anyway, SO what I am saying is have fun enjoy your children and let them read
what they want. Also if the older one reads the younger one just might she
that and follow I know my daughter 3 1/2 is taking interest.
Laura D
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wineredroses@... writes:
Hi everyone, I am a young mother of two boys, aged four and one. My
four-year-old is in love with books, and I so want him to be able to
read. What have any of you done to teach your children to read, or
have they simply learned by watching and being read to? Leann
Dear Leann,
Our family spent 3 1/2 years in the schools trying to help our son read. (He
read better before he began)
To make a long story short and what brought us to Unschooling was letting him
go.
What I mean is I let him read, view look at whatever he wanted. Magazines,
Closed Captioning (while baby slept in my room and we sat together), Video
games, comic books anything he wanted. Eventually he requested the larger books,
novels to be precise. Our son went from mags to adultish chapter books. Once he
found he liked to follow the stories he jumped in and hasn't stopped.
Unlike yours our son disliked reading. He would not pick one up let alone
even let me buy one just to have around. Now he asks to go to the book store.
I know I have said it before but because of my joy I'll repeat myself. Our
son was labeled LD in school and told us he will always struggle. They had no
faith in him and one private school even told us he was lazy (never looked at
his records nor spoke with me before making that statement though I had written
two notes to her telling her as an FYI that he had some struggles. I met with
her, told her and she said it again so I pulled him out. Funny thing is they
are still demanding the rest of that school years tuition and have sent me to
collections. I am not paying it and as a matter of fact I told the collector
that called the other day that I just might sue them for damages. lol,after I
told the collector the story she told me to send in all his HS stuff, the letter
from the teacher calling him lazy and they would close the account and tell
the school they would not collect on such a situation. HUH!
Anyway, SO what I am saying is have fun enjoy your children and let them read
what they want. Also if the older one reads the younger one just might she
that and follow I know my daughter 3 1/2 is taking interest.
Laura D
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/22/03 8:43:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
about her accomplishment?
Kass and Kree came in my room the other day and announced Kass read 28 pages
and Kree 32, while in the car running errands with DH. Kass reads often (in
comparison to Kree, but not a lot), Kree has zero interest still. I was so happy
for them, it was a major reading break through and no one told them to read.
They were pretty proud of themselves too. They even had to call my mom, she's
been bribing them for the last three years to no avail. They were thrilled
their experience was something everyone was happy about. But they didn't
hestitate to tell Grammy, "not to get used to this". LOL They received no reward and
read because they wanted to and for no other reason. I love when that happens.
Hopefully Holly enjoyed the whole experience. Please congratulate her for us.
Rhonda - who may just have to bust out her old Judy Blumes!!!
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Today Holly finished the first long book she's ever read. She startedWas that the Judy Blume book? How'd she like it overall? How does she feel
> reading it because another homeschooling friend of hers had been directed to
> read
> it, at least one chapter a day. Her friend still hasn't finished. She's
> made
> excuses for not reading, she has been punished for not reading, but she
> hasn't
> finished and Holly, with no requirement or pressure, has.
>
> Sandra
>
about her accomplishment?
Kass and Kree came in my room the other day and announced Kass read 28 pages
and Kree 32, while in the car running errands with DH. Kass reads often (in
comparison to Kree, but not a lot), Kree has zero interest still. I was so happy
for them, it was a major reading break through and no one told them to read.
They were pretty proud of themselves too. They even had to call my mom, she's
been bribing them for the last three years to no avail. They were thrilled
their experience was something everyone was happy about. But they didn't
hestitate to tell Grammy, "not to get used to this". LOL They received no reward and
read because they wanted to and for no other reason. I love when that happens.
Hopefully Holly enjoyed the whole experience. Please congratulate her for us.
Rhonda - who may just have to bust out her old Judy Blumes!!!
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/22/03 8:44:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, HMSL2@...
writes:
I can only hope and dream that day will come around here. When Kass and Kree
ask to go to Barnes and Noble, people assume they are these homeschooled
reading maniacs. The truth is they want to go to the Starbucks inside.LOL They get
Mocha Fraps and I run around the store like a kid. I could live in a Barnes
and Noble.
Rhonda - reading obsessed
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writes:
> Now he asks to go to the book store.That is so awesome Laura!!!
>
I can only hope and dream that day will come around here. When Kass and Kree
ask to go to Barnes and Noble, people assume they are these homeschooled
reading maniacs. The truth is they want to go to the Starbucks inside.LOL They get
Mocha Fraps and I run around the store like a kid. I could live in a Barnes
and Noble.
Rhonda - reading obsessed
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[email protected]
In a message dated 6/22/2003 10:33:35 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
RJHill241@... writes:
It was great. It was funny.
To finish a book was like "OH YEAH!!!"
And also I learned something from that book. They always say "What's the
matter?" I thought it was "what's a matter" [because people say it fast],
because I had never read it.
[end of Holly-channeling]
Sandra
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RJHill241@... writes:
> Was that the Judy Blume book? How'd she like it overall? How does she feel(I asked:)
> about her accomplishment?
>
>
It was great. It was funny.
To finish a book was like "OH YEAH!!!"
And also I learned something from that book. They always say "What's the
matter?" I thought it was "what's a matter" [because people say it fast],
because I had never read it.
[end of Holly-channeling]
Sandra
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Mary
From: "kulahawaii" <mkshields@...>
<<Please, let your son come to reading on his own. When he does it
himself he will be so proud.>>
I agree totally. Sometimes and early avid love of books doesn't necessarily
mean they will be "early" readers and sometimes if you think they will never
love a good book, bam, they do later on. Just don't look at it as an age
thing. As being an early reader or a late one. Just that they will when they
are ready to, either from want or need.
Joseph and Sierra both loved books from a very young age. I remember reading
sometimes 6 and 7 books at bedtime each night. Right before Joseph was 4, he
read to me some words from his reptile book. His favorite at the time. Joe
thought it was memorized until he read me the back of the book which I had
never read to him before. I was pretty amazed and thought maybe this was the
start of him reading. Nope. That was it. Never again that I knew of. They
both still loved books and we read a lot here, still do. Then when Joseph
was almost 7 and Sierra 6, they both just started to read. Literally just
like that. I have people ask me what I did or how they learned, (other
homeschoolers) and I really can't give them one answer. They just did all on
their own.
Now Alyssa is even more in love with books than they were. We go about it
all the same. Read a lot and play word games. And we read a lot more than
just books. In fact I have to watch what's laying around. <BEG>
Just have fun with it and keep on reading.
Mary B
<<Please, let your son come to reading on his own. When he does it
himself he will be so proud.>>
I agree totally. Sometimes and early avid love of books doesn't necessarily
mean they will be "early" readers and sometimes if you think they will never
love a good book, bam, they do later on. Just don't look at it as an age
thing. As being an early reader or a late one. Just that they will when they
are ready to, either from want or need.
Joseph and Sierra both loved books from a very young age. I remember reading
sometimes 6 and 7 books at bedtime each night. Right before Joseph was 4, he
read to me some words from his reptile book. His favorite at the time. Joe
thought it was memorized until he read me the back of the book which I had
never read to him before. I was pretty amazed and thought maybe this was the
start of him reading. Nope. That was it. Never again that I knew of. They
both still loved books and we read a lot here, still do. Then when Joseph
was almost 7 and Sierra 6, they both just started to read. Literally just
like that. I have people ask me what I did or how they learned, (other
homeschoolers) and I really can't give them one answer. They just did all on
their own.
Now Alyssa is even more in love with books than they were. We go about it
all the same. Read a lot and play word games. And we read a lot more than
just books. In fact I have to watch what's laying around. <BEG>
Just have fun with it and keep on reading.
Mary B
Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani
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From: Joylyn
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Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:14 PM
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I bought Janene (who is five today!) an Explode
the Code Book. It's a pretty good book to teach reading.
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Hi Joylyn,
Could you describe a little more about Explode the Code?
Thank you.
Nichole
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In a message dated 6/23/2003 12:42:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
RJHill241@... writes:
introduced me to a series of books by Barbara Parks, the Junie B. Jones series. They
are probably more for a younger age 4 and up, well I thought they were pretty
cute and funny and I'm a lot older than four.
They are not as long as most Judy Blume books which makes them less of a
challenge and more fun for a new reader.
My daughters kids LOVE them to be read to them and can't wait for the next
installment and sometimes beg for her to continue until the very end all in one
sitting. This is 24 four five and six year olds, who don't often sit still
long for much.
Just thought I would share as I had never heard of these books before she
brought them over to read to ME!
glena
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RJHill241@... writes:
> Was that the Judy Blume book? How'd she like it overall? How does she feelMy older daughter LOVED Judy Blume books. Just a few weeks ago she
> about her accomplishment?
>
introduced me to a series of books by Barbara Parks, the Junie B. Jones series. They
are probably more for a younger age 4 and up, well I thought they were pretty
cute and funny and I'm a lot older than four.
They are not as long as most Judy Blume books which makes them less of a
challenge and more fun for a new reader.
My daughters kids LOVE them to be read to them and can't wait for the next
installment and sometimes beg for her to continue until the very end all in one
sitting. This is 24 four five and six year olds, who don't often sit still
long for much.
Just thought I would share as I had never heard of these books before she
brought them over to read to ME!
glena
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Bling Williams
Anyone got any thoughts on Unschooling and large age gaps? DH is worried that with number 4 on the way the other 3 will be neglected or I wont have time for them. My worries however are more basic, whats it like having a 9 year gap? Will the baby eat the lego?
Mebbe I shold have thought of this first....
Shyrley
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In a message dated 6/23/03 8:19:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bobalinga@... writes:
sister was born, I took her to school for share day! LOL Well hey, if Bobby can
bring in his turtle and pass it around, I was very proud of my families new baby,
so why couldn't I bring in a new born human? The teacher said she never
thought about that and allowed me to have my mom bring her to my class. We still
laugh about it today. Sharing a human being such a big deal.
But my sister never ate a lego or anything else that was mine. She did,
however, once use a marker to color in my comforter. We have always been very
close, but in the last 5 or 6 years one could say we are now extremely close. It
seems that as we get older, the gap in our age is closing. I was always very
maternal where she was concerned and even though we went through some rough times
when the gap seemed just too large to understand each other, it's almost
disappearing now. Sorry to say I'm 33, she's 24. She still calls on me when she's
looking for maternal-like protection or advice when she doesn't want our
mother involved. And I still get into that mode where she's concerned.
We love each other very much. Your children will too. Good luck to you.
Rhonda
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bobalinga@... writes:
> whats it like having a 9 year gap? Will the baby eat the lego?I was an only child until just before my ninth birthday. When my little
>
sister was born, I took her to school for share day! LOL Well hey, if Bobby can
bring in his turtle and pass it around, I was very proud of my families new baby,
so why couldn't I bring in a new born human? The teacher said she never
thought about that and allowed me to have my mom bring her to my class. We still
laugh about it today. Sharing a human being such a big deal.
But my sister never ate a lego or anything else that was mine. She did,
however, once use a marker to color in my comforter. We have always been very
close, but in the last 5 or 6 years one could say we are now extremely close. It
seems that as we get older, the gap in our age is closing. I was always very
maternal where she was concerned and even though we went through some rough times
when the gap seemed just too large to understand each other, it's almost
disappearing now. Sorry to say I'm 33, she's 24. She still calls on me when she's
looking for maternal-like protection or advice when she doesn't want our
mother involved. And I still get into that mode where she's concerned.
We love each other very much. Your children will too. Good luck to you.
Rhonda
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Tia Leschke
>that with number 4 on the way the other 3 will be neglected or I wont have
> Anyone got any thoughts on Unschooling and large age gaps? DH is worried
time for them. My worries however are more basic, whats it like having a 9
year gap? Will the baby eat the lego?
>LOL!
> Mebbe I shold have thought of this first....
My granddaughter is 6 years older than her next sibling. I don't think she
lost out on much with having a new baby in the house, and she gained a lot
in terms of learning about birth and babies first hand. This last year has
been harder for her, with a new baby as well as the toddler. Her parents
have made a big effort to keep her involved in lots of outside stuff and
friends (she's a social butterfly) and that's helped. And now the toddler
is getting to be fun to play with, at least some of the time. I think you
need to always consider ways to get the older ones time and attention from
you, but I don't think it's something you need to stress about. And wearing
the baby will help lots.
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
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In a message dated 6/23/03 9:19:26 AM, bobalinga@... writes:
<< DH is worried that with number 4 on the way the other 3 will be neglected
or I wont have time for them. My worries however are more basic, whats it
like having a 9 year gap? Will the baby eat the lego?
wherever they are, and the baby can't reach the Lego.
And it could happen that one of the older kids will get the baby- bug and
really like taking care of the baby. That sometimes happens, and in YOUR kids'
case, they would be big enough to carry the baby, too!
Sandra
<< DH is worried that with number 4 on the way the other 3 will be neglected
or I wont have time for them. My worries however are more basic, whats it
like having a 9 year gap? Will the baby eat the lego?
>>If you carry the baby around most of the time, you can be with the other kids
wherever they are, and the baby can't reach the Lego.
And it could happen that one of the older kids will get the baby- bug and
really like taking care of the baby. That sometimes happens, and in YOUR kids'
case, they would be big enough to carry the baby, too!
Sandra
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In a message dated 6/23/03 12:01:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
school stuff, but, they are still cute and fun to read. A Junie book was the
first "big book" that JP read.
Teresa
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rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
> the Junie B. Jones series.My kids loved Junie B Jones too. They are very "schoolish".. dealing with
school stuff, but, they are still cute and fun to read. A Junie book was the
first "big book" that JP read.
Teresa
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In a message dated 6/23/03 9:00:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
at the moment and I'm not up for hitting the staircase to go look. I used to
read them over and over as a kid. Kass and Kree haven't touched them even just
to scoot them over to make room for something else. Kree offered to dust for
me the other day in the craft and hobbie room where all my adolescent books
are. I said, "Oh thank you, I would very much appreciate it." She responded with,
"But I'm not moving any books!" I asked, "why?" She answered, "Because they
may burn my fingers!!!" She cracked herself up. I had to laugh too.
Rhonda - who can only dream her kids will find a love for reading, but knows
it's her dream and not theirs.
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rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
> Just thought I would share as I had never heard of these books before sheIs anyone here familiar with Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle? The authors name escapes me
> brought them over to read to ME!
>
> glena
>
at the moment and I'm not up for hitting the staircase to go look. I used to
read them over and over as a kid. Kass and Kree haven't touched them even just
to scoot them over to make room for something else. Kree offered to dust for
me the other day in the craft and hobbie room where all my adolescent books
are. I said, "Oh thank you, I would very much appreciate it." She responded with,
"But I'm not moving any books!" I asked, "why?" She answered, "Because they
may burn my fingers!!!" She cracked herself up. I had to laugh too.
Rhonda - who can only dream her kids will find a love for reading, but knows
it's her dream and not theirs.
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Rhonda asked: Is anyone here familiar with Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle? The authors name escapes me
at the moment and I'm not up for hitting the staircase to go look. I used to
read them over and over as a kid.
Raine replies: I, too, looooooved Mrs. Piggle Wiggle books!! I found one at a thrift store and positively did the happy dance! Wouldn't you know, my kids could care less! lol.... ahhhh well.
Raine
**It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated.
Alec Bourne**
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at the moment and I'm not up for hitting the staircase to go look. I used to
read them over and over as a kid.
Raine replies: I, too, looooooved Mrs. Piggle Wiggle books!! I found one at a thrift store and positively did the happy dance! Wouldn't you know, my kids could care less! lol.... ahhhh well.
Raine
**It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated.
Alec Bourne**
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In a message dated 6/23/2003 12:22:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
grlynbl@... writes:
misadventures that take place around her day. But lots of other relevant things about
a young child's life that are just downright funny.
Some homeschooled/unschooled kids will read them and laugh and be very
grateful they don't go through the same things Junie B. does!
glena
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grlynbl@... writes:
> My kids loved Junie B Jones too. They are very "schoolish".. dealing withI agree that they are very schoolish, often about her adventures or
> school stuff, but, they are still cute and fun to read. A Junie book was
> the
> first "big book" that JP read.
>
> Teresa
>
misadventures that take place around her day. But lots of other relevant things about
a young child's life that are just downright funny.
Some homeschooled/unschooled kids will read them and laugh and be very
grateful they don't go through the same things Junie B. does!
glena
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Tia Leschke
>kids'
> And it could happen that one of the older kids will get the baby- bug and
> really like taking care of the baby. That sometimes happens, and in YOUR
> case, they would be big enough to carry the baby, too!You want to watch out for that one. You might have grandkids sooner than
>
you expected. Lars was born when Heather was 12, and when she was around I
only got him to feed. Her maternal instincts kicked in big time. She
figured she waited a long time - 7 years - before having her first at 19.
<g>
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
Mark & Kristin Shields
I also loved Mrs. P-W (author is Betty Macdonald) when I was a kid. I recently did a read aloud with the kids and was appalled at some of the things in the books. Very sexist and annoying attitudes toward children. I wasn't too surprised when enthusiasm for the books died out. It's funny because I know I read them over and over when I was young.
Kristin
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Rhonda asked: Is anyone here familiar with Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle? The authors name escapes me
at the moment and I'm not up for hitting the staircase to go look. I used to
read them over and over as a kid.
Raine replies: I, too, looooooved Mrs. Piggle Wiggle books!! I found one at a thrift store and positively did the happy dance! Wouldn't you know, my kids could care less! lol.... ahhhh well.
Raine
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Kristin
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From: raineluvsj@... [SMTP:rainelovesj@...]
Rhonda asked: Is anyone here familiar with Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle? The authors name escapes me
at the moment and I'm not up for hitting the staircase to go look. I used to
read them over and over as a kid.
Raine replies: I, too, looooooved Mrs. Piggle Wiggle books!! I found one at a thrift store and positively did the happy dance! Wouldn't you know, my kids could care less! lol.... ahhhh well.
Raine
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In a message dated 6/23/03 2:16:35 PM, mkshields@... writes:
<< I also loved Mrs. P-W (author is Betty Macdonald) when I was a kid. I
recently did a read aloud with the kids and was appalled at some of the things in
the books. Very sexist and annoying attitudes toward children. I wasn't too
surprised when enthusiasm for the books died out. It's funny because I know
I read them over and over when I was young. >>
I find some of the books I loved as a kid similarly annoying (and
embarrassing) now.
One that's fun and has been re-published lately is Mrs. Coverlet's Magicians.
Sandra
<< I also loved Mrs. P-W (author is Betty Macdonald) when I was a kid. I
recently did a read aloud with the kids and was appalled at some of the things in
the books. Very sexist and annoying attitudes toward children. I wasn't too
surprised when enthusiasm for the books died out. It's funny because I know
I read them over and over when I was young. >>
I find some of the books I loved as a kid similarly annoying (and
embarrassing) now.
One that's fun and has been re-published lately is Mrs. Coverlet's Magicians.
Sandra
Mark & Kristin Shields
I will have to look up that one. My daughter loves anything to do with magic and fantasy. My all time favorites as a kid were Edward Eager's magic books. There are 7 and have also been re-published: Knight's Castle, Magic or Not?, and my favorite, The Time Garden, are some of the titles. I have read them aloud since she was about 4 or 5 and I still love them just as much as I did when I was a kid.
Kristin
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Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Mother of two, have questions regarding reading
In a message dated 6/23/03 2:16:35 PM, mkshields@... writes:
<< I also loved Mrs. P-W (author is Betty Macdonald) when I was a kid. I
recently did a read aloud with the kids and was appalled at some of the things in
the books. Very sexist and annoying attitudes toward children. I wasn't too
surprised when enthusiasm for the books died out. It's funny because I know
I read them over and over when I was young. >>
I find some of the books I loved as a kid similarly annoying (and
embarrassing) now.
One that's fun and has been re-published lately is Mrs. Coverlet's Magicians.
Sandra
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Kristin
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Mother of two, have questions regarding reading
In a message dated 6/23/03 2:16:35 PM, mkshields@... writes:
<< I also loved Mrs. P-W (author is Betty Macdonald) when I was a kid. I
recently did a read aloud with the kids and was appalled at some of the things in
the books. Very sexist and annoying attitudes toward children. I wasn't too
surprised when enthusiasm for the books died out. It's funny because I know
I read them over and over when I was young. >>
I find some of the books I loved as a kid similarly annoying (and
embarrassing) now.
One that's fun and has been re-published lately is Mrs. Coverlet's Magicians.
Sandra
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 10:15:34 -1000 Mark & Kristin Shields
<mkshields@...> writes:
- I was going on and on about how wonderful the books were, and she kept
pointing out how disrespectful everyone was towards the kids in the book,
plus all the talk about spanking...
Dar
<mkshields@...> writes:
> I also loved Mrs. P-W (author is Betty Macdonald) when I was a kid.Rain had the same response when she read a couple of them a few years ago
> I recently did a read aloud with the kids and was appalled at some
> of the things in the books. Very sexist and annoying attitudes
> toward children
- I was going on and on about how wonderful the books were, and she kept
pointing out how disrespectful everyone was towards the kids in the book,
plus all the talk about spanking...
Dar
LeAnn Jenkins
My sister and I were also nine years apart, I am the older one. She and I have gotten along much better than the siblings that were closer to my age (my oldest brother is eighteen months younger than me and we hated each other until I was like seventeen). I have the same kind of maternal feelings toward her mentioned earlier. I was not jealous of her at all growing up, but in fact I was brimming with joy that I had a baby to play with and a sister to boot! I do wish my mother had slinged her though, because I could never keep her out of my stuff. But my mother always helped clean up any baby messes. My two boys are 3.5 years apart, and our last one will come when our oldest is about six or seven. I don't see any problem with large age gaps. Your kids will feel your love. I had a friend once whose daughter was ten when she was surprised with her second pregnancy, and the daughter did have some fears of being replaced as "her special little girl," but everything was resolved
with simple dialogue and quality time. Sorry about the length, my only real piece of advice is just like with everything else: relax and enjoy!
LeAnn
Bling Williams <bobalinga@...> wrote:
Anyone got any thoughts on Unschooling and large age gaps? DH is worried that with number 4 on the way the other 3 will be neglected or I wont have time for them. My worries however are more basic, whats it like having a 9 year gap? Will the baby eat the lego?
Mebbe I shold have thought of this first....
Shyrley
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with simple dialogue and quality time. Sorry about the length, my only real piece of advice is just like with everything else: relax and enjoy!
LeAnn
Bling Williams <bobalinga@...> wrote:
Anyone got any thoughts on Unschooling and large age gaps? DH is worried that with number 4 on the way the other 3 will be neglected or I wont have time for them. My worries however are more basic, whats it like having a 9 year gap? Will the baby eat the lego?
Mebbe I shold have thought of this first....
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In a message dated 6/23/2003 11:19:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bobalinga@... writes:
Congratulations.
~Kelly
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bobalinga@... writes:
> DH is worried that with number 4 on the wayHuh? Really? I thought you were just in the talking stage of #4!
Congratulations.
~Kelly
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In a message dated 6/23/2003 11:19:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
bobalinga@... writes:
and VERY little sibling rivalry.
On the other hand, I'm tired. Very tired.
~Kelly
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bobalinga@... writes:
> My worries however are more basic, whats it like having a 9 year gap? WillI have an eight year gap. In some ways it's easier---I have two extra hands
> the baby eat the lego?
>
and VERY little sibling rivalry.
On the other hand, I'm tired. Very tired.
~Kelly
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In a message dated 6/23/03 1:16:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mkshields@... writes:
line on the books. I haven't read those books in well over a decade. Now I'll
have to go upstairs and pull them out to read them and see if they no longer
touch me the way they did as a kid. If not, I admit I will be sad. It's kind of
like when you went somewhere as a very small child and when you go back as an
adult it seems so small in comparison to your child-memory. Perhaps if the
attitudes are bothersome to me now, maybe the good memories of childhood can
override the emotions. I have never read Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle to the twins. Which
may now be a good thing. Or perhaps if I did it would open up an extremely large
discussion. Hmmmm, I must ponder...
Rhonda - who will attempt to do the stairs at some point today, but the
apprehension that Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle will disappoint her as an adult, is
overwhelming her now. :-(
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mkshields@... writes:
> I also loved Mrs. P-W (author is Betty Macdonald) when I was a kid. IYes, Betty Mac Donald. As soon as I read that I was able to picture her sig
> recently did a read aloud with the kids and was appalled at some of the things in
> the books. Very sexist and annoying attitudes toward children. I wasn't
> too surprised when enthusiasm for the books died out. It's funny because I
> know I read them over and over when I was young.
> Kristin
>
line on the books. I haven't read those books in well over a decade. Now I'll
have to go upstairs and pull them out to read them and see if they no longer
touch me the way they did as a kid. If not, I admit I will be sad. It's kind of
like when you went somewhere as a very small child and when you go back as an
adult it seems so small in comparison to your child-memory. Perhaps if the
attitudes are bothersome to me now, maybe the good memories of childhood can
override the emotions. I have never read Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle to the twins. Which
may now be a good thing. Or perhaps if I did it would open up an extremely large
discussion. Hmmmm, I must ponder...
Rhonda - who will attempt to do the stairs at some point today, but the
apprehension that Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle will disappoint her as an adult, is
overwhelming her now. :-(
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Gerard Westenberg
<<If you carry the baby around most of the time, you can be with the other kids
wherever they are, and the baby can't reach the Lego.>>.
Oh, yes, my babies were always toted around in a baby sling - we went everywhere together. And some of the older ones loved playing with the babies - added to their current interests! lol! Ann Lahrson-Fisher's book "Fundamentals of Homeschooling - Notes on Successful Family Living" has an unschooling-ish bent and also has a great chapter on living well with big kids and little kids - Chapter 23 A Toddler in the Homeschool...Leonie
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wherever they are, and the baby can't reach the Lego.>>.
Oh, yes, my babies were always toted around in a baby sling - we went everywhere together. And some of the older ones loved playing with the babies - added to their current interests! lol! Ann Lahrson-Fisher's book "Fundamentals of Homeschooling - Notes on Successful Family Living" has an unschooling-ish bent and also has a great chapter on living well with big kids and little kids - Chapter 23 A Toddler in the Homeschool...Leonie
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