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In a message dated 6/22/03 7:57:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
treegoddess@... writes:

> "Um, hello?!? Maybe
> you should say 'bye'." LOL
>
> TreeGoddess
>

ROFLMAO! That was too cute!

When I was little and had to stay home from school because I was ill, my mom
always took me to her work with her. At the time my dad was still in law
school and my mom could not financially afford to stay home. I didn't care where I
was when not feeling well, only that I was with my mommy. Anyway, before I
start to ramble about loving memories of my childhood, I'll get to the point.
hehehe

My mom was a legal secretary and her work had this humongous (to a kid)
maroon leather couch.(Which BTW, we say maroon all the time in reference to
color.)I'd lay on it and watch my mom juggle so many things at once. I always loved
how she answered the phone...."Law office..." with the most beautiful lilt in
her voice. It was so pretty how she said just those two words. After that, I'd
hear..."My I ask who's calling?"...again with such a beautiful tone. To this
day she still answers the same way and I'm 33. I say, "May I ask who's
calling?", when a call is not for me and a person is specified. I would find it rude
to not be able to either give the name to whoever the phone is for or to not be
able to use their name in responding if the party requested is not here or in
unavailable. No one ever told me this is how you do it, I just knew by
watching my mom. So when someone calls and the party they are looking for is
unavailable, I'd say something to the effect of, "I'm sorry John, Phil is not here,
may I take a message." I know a lot of people who may just reply, "So & so
isn't here." Nothing more. I don't take offense, it's just different.

Rhonda - who has noticed her own children following suit in their phone
etiquette, without ever being "told". :-)


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Mary

From: <kbcdlovejo@...>

<<If it's real, it's wonderful. If it's not, it's crap.>>


Oh I feel the same way. If someone calls for Tara and I don't know them
well at all, (it's usually a boy) I feel it's fake sounding for him to make
idle chit chat. Now if it's someone I've come to know, and that doesn't
necessarily have to be for a long time, just someone I clicked with, then
it's nice when they talk. But I certainly wouldn't expect it every time. And
being that I hate the telephone anyway, I'd hate staying on longer than I
had to speaking with someone who wants to talk to someone else!!

Mary B

Mary

From: <RJHill241@...>

<<"May I ask who's calling?", when a call is not for me and a person is
specified. I would find it rude
to not be able to either give the name to whoever the phone is for or to not
be
able to use their name in responding if the party requested is not here or
in
unavailable. No one ever told me this is how you do it, I just knew by
watching my mom. >>


See another thing I hadn't thought of. I always ask who's on the other end
if I don't know. Always have. I remember a girlfriend calling me when I was
like 11 or 12. As soon as my mom would answer the phone, she would just say
"Is Mary there?" My mom absolutely hated that. She told me I should say
something to my friend or she would. I did and it was taken care of. All my
mom wanted was a hello first and then "is Mary there!" So I guess learned
that it was important to be nice over the phone. And me handing the phone to
someone else in the house and none of us knowing who it is wouldn't seem
nice. Tara even always asks before handing over the phone. Maybe some people
wouldn't like a kid asking them such a thing. Not sure. But we all do it
here.

Mary B

Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani

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From: Mary
To: [email protected]
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As soon as my mom would answer the phone, she would just say
"Is Mary there?" My mom absolutely hated that. She told me I should say
something to my friend or she would. I did and it was taken care of. All my
mom wanted was a hello first and then "is Mary there!" So I guess learned
that it was important to be nice over the phone. And me handing the phone to
someone else in the house and none of us knowing who it is wouldn't seem
nice. Tara even always asks before handing over the phone. Maybe some people
wouldn't like a kid asking them such a thing. Not sure. But we all do it
here.

Mary B

*****************************
Mary, wow, I like your mom's style. As a child, if I asked who was on the other end, my parents told me it was rude and none of my business, even when I said it nicely, like, "may I ask who's calling, please?"
And with the former instance of not saying hello to the other person. Nobody ever did that when I was growing up. I don't know why. It was only when someone told me it was rude and showed no respect for the other person that I changed it in myself.

I usually do make a bit of small talk when I'm calling someone, especially when kids answer the phone. I think I make less small talk with adults, they're not as fun.

I don't think I ever taught Margaux phone ettiquette, but I love the way she speaks when she calls someone. It usually goes
like this:

Hi! This is Margaux. Fine, thank you. Can BJ come out to play? mmhmm, Okay.
pause.....

Hi BJ! This is Margaux. Do you want to come over?

Perhaps I should tell her to ask for BJ or whoever, but she does the same thing with everyone, even her grandparents. Usually the person on the other end figures out with whom Margaux wants to speak.

I think it's mostly regional or cultural, but I don't think it would ever offend anyone to say, "Hi, this is Nichole, is Annette available, please?"

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Pamela Sorooshian

On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Mary wrote:

> So I guess learned
> that it was important to be nice over the phone. And me handing the
> phone to
> someone else in the house and none of us knowing who it is wouldn't
> seem
> nice.

I did specifically instruct my kids to say: "Hi, this is <name>." And
then go on to ask to speak to their friend, etc. I think it is rude not
to identify yourself when you're calling.

Most of my daughters' teenage friends don't usually do that though -
and these are very nice kids - they just haven't been told to do it and
haven't thought of it. When they call here, sometimes I don't ask who
it is, but when I call to my daughters to come to the phone, I say
(with phone uncovered so they can hear): "I guess it is a mystery phone
call - they didn't say who it was....." Or some silly thing. Their
friends are friendly with me too - so they get the point and usually
when my daughter gets on the phone, she'll turn around and say,
"So-and-so says hi and they're sorry they didn't say who they were." Or
something like that. I try to use humor when I find teenage friends
needing a little help in the courtesy department --- I hope parents of
my kids' friends will do the same for my kids - not lecture them or
chastise them - but some little friendly good-humored reminders.

-pam

melissa4123

<<I say, "May I ask who's calling?", when a call is not for me and a
person is specified. I would find it rude to not be able to either
give the name to whoever the phone is for or to not be able to use
their name in responding if the party requested is not here or in
unavailable. No one ever told me this is how you do it, I just knew by
watching my mom.>>

I worked as a receptionist for a while and, of course, would ask who
was calling before buzzing so and so and telling them they have a
phone call...it was just common sense to me. But, when I moved up in
the company and would be told that I had a call on line 3 and I would
ask who it was, the new receptionist never knew. It was always "I
think it's so and so but I didn't ask." Used the bug the heck out of
me.

I also noticed that, after taking the receptionist job, I started to
ask who was on the line at home as well, if it wasn't for me and I
didn't know. I still do it and my husband has started to do the same
thing. Again, I just like to know who is on the other end of the
phone before I say hello.

Melissa

Pamela Sorooshian

On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 10:25 AM, Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani wrote:

> I think it's mostly regional or cultural, but I don't think it would
> ever offend anyone to say, "Hi, this is Nichole, is Annette available,
> please?"

It would offend Iranians and, given your last name, I think you
probably need to know that <BEG>.

You should say: "Hi this is Nichole. How are you? How are the kids? Is
everybody well? Oh, I'm sorry she has a cold and hope she feels better
soon. Please give my love to your son and daughter and your husband."
And you should respond to their similar small talk. Only when that is
all done can you say, "I have something I need to talk to so-and-so
about, is she there?"

As Americans, they do cut us a lot of slack - this takes the form,
though, of basically expecting us to be a little rude and trying not to
hold it against us.

It is VERY pleasing to them and shows a lot more respect for them if we
DO take the time to be courteous (courteous as it appears to them). It
isn't that much effort - gets to be a habit and is rather pleasant.

-pam

Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani

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From: Pamela Sorooshian
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] OT Telephone Etiquette


It would offend Iranians and, given your last name, I think you
probably need to know that <BEG>.

******************************
Pam, I wish Shahram's father would say hello to me when he calls. :o(

Nichole

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Mary

From: "Pamela Sorooshian" <pamsoroosh@...>

<<I did specifically instruct my kids to say: "Hi, this is <name>." And
then go on to ask to speak to their friend, etc. I think it is rude not
to identify yourself when you're calling.>>


Something else I just thought of that I don't like, thanks to my mom, is
when someone calls you and you answer and they ask, "who's this?" What's up
with that? I realized people can sometimes get frazzled with phone etiquette
but at least they know who they want to talk to. Don't get all bent out of
shape because you don't know everyone who might answer the phone. It's
happened a few times and I always give the old my mom question back. "Who
were you calling?!"

Mary B

Pamela Sorooshian

On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 11:28 AM, Nichole Fausey-Khosraviani wrote:

> Pam, I wish Shahram's father would say hello to me when he calls.
> :o(
>
> Nichole

If he doesn't small-talk with you, he is either purposely being rude
and snubbing your for some reason OR he is trying to be like an
American when interacting with you.

Reminds me of my Iranian friend kept suggesting she would make tuna
casserole as a good dish for serving our city council and mayer and
other officials at a banquet we were putting on for them. She was sure
that that was what Americans REALLY love -- she'd gotten that idea by
going to a lot of potlucks and she just wanted to be American-like.
This woman is an amazing cook of Iranian foods - just incredible - her
meals are known far and wide. She had no idea that serving tuna
casserole at this rather formal banquet would be tacky and insulting to
the guests. She was just trying to treat Americans as she thought they
wanted to be treated <G>.

-pam

Mary

From: "melissa4123" <melissa4123@...>

<<I worked as a receptionist for a while and, of course, would ask who
was calling before buzzing so and so and telling them they have a
phone call...it was just common sense to me. But, when I moved up in
the company and would be told that I had a call on line 3 and I would
ask who it was, the new receptionist never knew. It was always "I
think it's so and so but I didn't ask." Used the bug the heck out of
me. >>


Maybe that's why it seems to second nature to me too. One of the first jobs
I had where I had a lot of phone work was working for and becoming the
office manager for a Dr.'s office. I HAD to screen calls and keep all the
salesmand and such away. Let alone people who just wanted to chat with the
Dr. any time of day. I guess it all started then.

Of course now at home with caller ID, I sometimes answer the phone saying
hello to the person I already know is calling. People still get confused
sometimes when I do it!! They get quiet like they're not sure who called
who!!!

Mary B

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In a message dated 6/22/2003 12:51:30 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:

> She had no idea that serving tuna
> casserole at this rather formal banquet would be tacky and insulting to
> the guests. She was just trying to treat Americans as she thought they
> wanted to be treated <G>.
>

I caught one episode of Manor House on PBS.

Having guests from India, they decided to serve Indian food.

HOW DUMB!!! And the chef was sick in bed so rest of the staff tried to make
things they had neither seen nor tasted.

They should have just served some really decent English food.

I had one single friend who used to hang up the phone without saying goodbye.
He had nearly no social skills and ended up killing himself.

My kids have pretty good phone manners. The only thing I wish they would do
differently is to ask if they could please speak to someone, rather than
asking if he's home. Whether he's home or not might be none of their business.
And just because he's home doesn't mean he can talk. Maybe the person on the
phone is in the midst of a long distance call. Maybe the target person is in
the shower or asleep.


Sandra


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melissa4123

<<Of course now at home with caller ID, I sometimes answer the phone
saying hello to the person I already know is calling. People still get
confused sometimes when I do it!! They get quiet like they're not sure
who called who!!!>>

I love caller id! I've actually gotten somewhat out of the habit of
asking who is on the other line because of it. When I know that it's
for my husband, I just hand the phone to him, I don't even answer it
and he does the same for me. :)

When I first got caller id, I would just say "Hi, so and so" because I
knew it would freak them out. But, I got tired of having to explain
myself and how I knew it was them so I stopped doing it. :)

Melissa

Tim and Maureen

Oh! I just thot of one phone peeve too.

My brother-in-law (nice enough guys - rather aggressive and rooted in materialism) always says ( after I say "hello") "Whatcha doing?" in a childish voice. Ew! No matter what he wants or why he's calling.

I started saying "sitting here naked" and "building a bomb" just to piss him off.

Tim T
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] OT Telephone Etiquette


From: "Pamela Sorooshian" <pamsoroosh@...>

<<I did specifically instruct my kids to say: "Hi, this is <name>." And
then go on to ask to speak to their friend, etc. I think it is rude not
to identify yourself when you're calling.>>


Something else I just thought of that I don't like, thanks to my mom, is
when someone calls you and you answer and they ask, "who's this?" What's up
with that? I realized people can sometimes get frazzled with phone etiquette
but at least they know who they want to talk to. Don't get all bent out of
shape because you don't know everyone who might answer the phone. It's
happened a few times and I always give the old my mom question back. "Who
were you calling?!"

Mary B




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In a message dated 6/23/03 7:08:41 AM, tmthomas@... writes:

<< My brother-in-law (nice enough guys - rather aggressive and rooted in
materialism) always says ( after I say "hello") "Whatcha doing?" in a childish
voice. Ew! No matter what he wants or why he's calling.
>>

A friend of mine has taken to saying "What's up?"

I don't mind a bit if I call him at work, and he says "What's up?" That
makes sense.

The dumb part is when he calls ME, when I'm busy and minding my own business
with great intent and he interrupts me and says "What's up?"

I have just said, every time, "I don't know. You called me. What's up?""

He doesn't really get it. It's just a thing he says without thinking.

There's a Simpson's episode where Bart sees the future, and he and Millhouse
are grown and housemates. "Smell ya later" has become the standard closing
statement in conversations. It has replaced "good bye." Even newscasters close
their broadcast with "Smell ya later."

Millhouse becomes so furious with Bart about something that he's moving out,
and that's that. He says "Smell ya later--FOREVER."

Sandra

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Oh, that IS BAAAAD!

Hehehehehehehe

Tim T


In a message dated 6/23/2003 1:22:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

> Oh! I just thot of one phone peeve too.
>
> My brother-in-law (nice enough guys - rather aggressive and rooted in
> materialism) always says ( after I say "hello") "Whatcha doing?" in a childish
> voice. Ew! No matter what he wants or why he's calling.
>
> I started saying "sitting here naked" and "building a bomb" just to piss him
> off.
>
> Tim T
>

How about, "Well, I WAS masturbating, but you've killed that off."

Kathryn, the Bad


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In a message dated 6/22/03 11:27:04 AM, ms_fausey@... writes:

<< As a child, if I asked who was on the other end, my parents told me it
was rude and none of my business, even when I said it nicely, like, "may I ask
who's calling, please?" >>

Sometimes I don't ask. If someone calls for my husband and he's home, I
usually just take him a phone, or say "It's for you," and leave the room.

He usually asks "Who is this?" if it's for me, but MADDENINGLY then just says
"Sure, here she is" and doesn't tell ME who it is. He was just curious. <bwg>

With the kids, if they're right there, I don't ask who it is. If they're not
there and I think I know who it is, I'll say "Is this Logan?" I'm not always
right. If I am, I say "I'll leave him a note that you called. Where will
you be about 6:00?" or I might say "Who is this, so I can tell him you
called?"

Sometimes I don't think it's any of my business who it is, and sometimes I
just don't want to be in the loop. I answer the phone and hand it off.

Sometimes a good friend of MINE calls and asked for Keith. Then I ask later
what the other person wanted. (Sometimes they told me if I answered, like "I
wanted to ask Keith about borrowing his saw. Is he there?")

Sandra

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SandraDodd@... writes:

<< The dumb part is when he calls ME, when I'm busy and minding my own
business
with great intent and he interrupts me and says "What's up?"
>>

Is that his version of, "Are ya busy, do you have time to talk?"

I wish my friends would do that more often. They call me up on the
phone, and just start yapping. They're at work, and I'm at home. It never occured
to them that maybe *I* was busy. I'm the only SAHM of all of us, btw.

Does anyone else have that problem? I did handle it pretty well, I
thought, I just explained to them that I understood they had a free moment at work,
but that I would appreciate the same respect I give them when I call them, "
Are you busy, do you have time for me right now?" They still forget
sometimes, but if I am busy, telling them so reminds them that just because I'm home,
doesn't mean I'm always available to talk.

<<There's a Simpson's episode where Bart sees the future, and he and
Millhouse
are grown and housemates. >>

It's Ralph ( I can hear that squeaky voice..."Smell ya later Bart, smell ya
later...forever."

I love that episode. Lisa legalizes "it" for Bart. lol

~Aimee

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In a message dated 6/24/03 4:30:35 PM, AimeeL73@... writes:

<< It's Ralph ( I can hear that squeaky voice..."Smell ya later Bart, smell
ya
later...forever." >>

You're right. <g>
Sorry to confuse the public record!

Sandra