[email protected]

In a message dated 6/8/2003 10:37:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Why? Why not say it nice? Why not move the 2 yr. olds? I am thinking you
> see
> this child as someone who is lacking in parenting and you know who the
> parents
> are and are trying to fix the child or prove a point behind the parents
> back.
> That would make you the royal enforcer. You are convinced your way works or
> will produce a better child. My children see me as an equal not a
> disciplinary
> force ruling over them.

Yeah, but this isn't Heidi's child. If he can't act safely around a two year
old, I would be very forceful too. The safety of everyone at my house is
important.
If the child is hell bent on seeing adults as the enemy and ignoring
everything suggested to him, it's going to take a lot of time for him to "get" that
their household is run differently.
And maybe some forceful, carefully chosen words.

If a kid was waving a stick in any childs face I would recommend they move
somewhere else and if that was ignored over and over, the stick wouldn't get
used on MY property. My two year old LIVES here. He deserves peace and safety
over the desire of the stick-waving, adult-ignoring child to wave the stick at
people.

Ren


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In a message dated 6/8/03 10:01:08 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:

<< He deserves peace and safety
over the desire of the stick-waving, adult-ignoring child to wave the stick
at
people.
>>

My husband deals in stick waving as a hobby. <g>

If an adult were waving a stick around we didn't want him to wave, I'd tell
him to stop. If he didn't stop, my husband would take it away from him.

It wouldn't be any different with a kid, only one of my teenagers would have
talked it out of his hand before an adult had to get involved.

There is a fair amount of controlled stick waving, between SCA and orc ball
and Kirby's kobudo classes (bo/staff). They know what's safe and what's not
out of the corners of their eyes, and are also way tactful about advising people
just to step back three feet or whatever will make safety without making
trouble.

And then Marty's new interest is wrestling take-downs, so he might relish the
chance to disarm a visitor!!

Sandra

Alan & Brenda Leonard

6/8/03 21:29:

> And then Marty's new interest is wrestling take-downs, so he might relish the
> chance to disarm a visitor!!

He'll love Tim.

brenda

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In a message dated 6/8/2003 4:06:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Well, maybe I'm crazy, but his grabbing a dollar bill out of my hand,
> that I was making to give to my child, FEELS rude.

I would have stopped that too. I would have said "excuse me, that was for
_________, I'd like it back right now."
Same as I'd do if an adult grabbed money from me.
And then I'd ask if he'd like his own dollar to get a snack with.

Sounds like he's been treated pretty disrespectfully and already sees adults
as the enemy.

Ren


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[email protected]

In a message dated 6/8/2003 5:32:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> <i wouldn't="" have="" hugged="" hi="" if="" *someon="" hadn't="" given=""
> me="" that="" idea.<i brought="" him="" home="" in="" the="" middle="" of=""
> last="" yea="" but="" he=""><i think="" he="" feels="" disappointed="">
> grlynbl@... wrote:
>
> >I guess he will start using a fork all the time whenever he wants to.
> >
>
> Or not. LOL I use my fingers way more than I use forks -- always have.
> My dad used to punish me by forcing me to wear mittens to the dinner
> table because I liked to eat that way. I still don't see what the heck
> the big deal was all about.

I used to butter my pancakes with my fingers. :)
Some of us are more tactile!

Ren


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jmcseals SEALS

<i wouldn't="" have="" hugged="" hi="" if="" *someon="" hadn't="" given=""
>me="" that="" idea.<i brought="" him="" home="" in="" the="" middle=""
>of="" last="" yea="" but="" he=""><i think="" he="" feels=""
>disappointed="">


Holy shmoly! What happened to THAT???

Am I the only one this happens to??

Jennifer

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Heidi

--- In [email protected], starsuncloud@c... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/8/2003 4:06:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
> > Well, maybe I'm crazy, but his grabbing a dollar bill out of my
hand,
> > that I was making to give to my child, FEELS rude.
>
> I would have stopped that too. I would have said "excuse me, that
was for
> _________, I'd like it back right now."

Yeah, I'm mad at myself for doing this weenie thing "That's to
share!" ugh

> Same as I'd do if an adult grabbed money from me.
> And then I'd ask if he'd like his own dollar to get a snack with.
>
> Sounds like he's been treated pretty disrespectfully and already
sees adults
> as the enemy.
>
> Ren

I see him as an active, forward, friendly kid who has been told to
sit still and leave that alone over and over and over again, for no
reason other than "You're disrupting the class" but who never gets
told the "why" when he does something that is genuinely
inappropriate. Just another "quit it."

HeidiC