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I just read something on one of these emails about TV time. Is it correct
that some of you believe that TV time should not be limited? I am pretty much a
person who lets the kids set their own day. They do ask before they watch TV
or play video games and they easily break away from it when told to, but I
don't set *limits*. I find that their choices are pretty much within reason...
again by my own standards... not by others'. ~Kris


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Pamela Sorooshian

We don't set any limits.

Sometimes people hear "no limits" and think the kids must be little
slack-jawed zombies watching hours of Jerry Springer every day <G>.

The reality is that everybody in our family makes conscious choices
about what they want to or don't want to watch - just EXACTLY in the
same way we choose what books we want to read or not read.

So - speaking of TV, did you all watch the O'Keefe's? I thought it was
mildly funny - I like the actors. The storyline was a little too sappy
this week, and the characters just way too stereotyped (the school kids
and school staff more so than the homeschooled family) - but it has
potential to be a good comedy. Homeschoolers around the country are all
up in arms over it because the homeschooled kids are portrayed as kind
of weird (HSLDA wrote to the network demanding to be allowed to
prescreen the show) -- but I think they actually end up using them to
showcase the irrationality of so much of what goes on at school - and
THAT comes across more strongly than the oddities of the homeschoolers.
Plus - I know a whole LOT of odd homeschoolers - us among them - who
would definitely stand out in some ways as 'misfits" if dropped into
high school. That's realistic, imo. And this family is odd, but REALLY
nice. That seems right to me. The show makes it look like they are
doing a classroom in their house - and yet they seem to at least have a
very innovative schooling approach - which shows that even those who
school-at-home can at least be way more interest-driven and
child-friendly than schools are. All-in-all I think it makes the
homeschoolers look smart and likable and fresh and happy and eager to
learn and clearly better off than their always-schooled classmates.

-pam


On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 07:48 AM, Mattydill@... wrote:

>
> I just read something on one of these emails about TV time. Is it
> correct
> that some of you believe that TV time should not be limited? I am
> pretty much a
> person who lets the kids set their own day. They do ask before they
> watch TV
> or play video games and they easily break away from it when told to,
> but I
> don't set *limits*. I find that their choices are pretty much within
> reason...
> again by my own standards... not by others'. ~Kris

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In a message dated 6/3/03 10:49:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Mattydill@... writes:

> I just read something on one of these emails about TV time. Is it correct
> that some of you believe that TV time should not be limited? I am pretty
> much a
> person who lets the kids set their own day. They do ask before they watch
> TV
> or play video games and they easily break away from it when told to, but I
> don't set *limits*. I find that their choices are pretty much within
> reason...
> again by my own standards... not by others'.

I don't limit TV. I think there are a few others here also. I do not tell
them to break away and they do not tell me to break away. If I need help or if
they need help we may ask each other to break away for a minute. I also let
them decide what to watch. If I think it might be questionable to me then I
watch with them so I can answer questions or be there to talk about something
if they need.
Pam G.


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Betsy

**So - speaking of TV, did you all watch the O'Keefe's? I thought it was
mildly funny - I like the actors. **

I watched the first week. I doubt it will be a ratings success because
I didn't find it particularly funny. But it wasn't nearly as bad as I
had feared. I like that the homeschooled kids were depicted as bright
and enthusiastic. The contrast with the very uninterested kids in the
classroom was quite realistic. And when the family was walking into the
booksale at the school, they all had enormous grins on their faces.
That's exactly what I look like when I'm buying books. <g>

Betsy

Mary

From: "Pamela Sorooshian" <pamsoroosh@...>

<<We don't set any limits.
Sometimes people hear "no limits" and think the kids must be little
slack-jawed zombies watching hours of Jerry Springer every day <G>.

The reality is that everybody in our family makes conscious choices
about what they want to or don't want to watch - just EXACTLY in the
same way we choose what books we want to read or not read.>>



Ditto! Thanks Pam. <BG>



<<So - speaking of TV, did you all watch the O'Keefe's? I thought it was
mildly funny - I like the actors.>>


My husband and I watched it the very first night it was on. We knew we could
get past the negative showing of homeschoolers if it was funny. We didn't
think it was funny at all. Of course sometimes the first show isn't. I hated
Will and Grace when it started and now I love it. But we haven't seen the
O'Keefes since. If it gets better, let me know!

Mary B

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In a message dated 6/3/2003 8:50:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
Mattydill@... writes:

> They do ask before they watch TV
> or play video games and they easily break away from it when told to, but I
> don't set *limits*.

I don't set limits. The only times they ask is if someone else is or seems
maybe about to be using that room or the equipment.


We don't tell them to stop. We might ask them to do something when they get
to a pausing point, or ask if they know how long they'll be playing.

Sandra


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In a message dated 6/3/2003 9:28:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:

> (HSLDA wrote to the network demanding to be allowed to
> prescreen the show)

OH BROTHER.

Like they own homeschooling.
Like they represent homschoolers in acting like they own thenetwork or the
show.

They make homeschoolers look stupid doing things like that.

Sandra


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Deborah Lewis

***Is it correct
that some of you believe that TV time should not be limited?***

We've never had limits on TV.

I watched my son decide what he wanted to eat, and how much. I watched
him decide which toys he wanted to play with and how long. And I
watched him decide which books he wanted to read and how many times. It
only seemed reasonable to me he could do the same with TV.

He's eleven years old now and hasn't been arrested, hasn't been in a
fight, hasn't mugged any old ladies, tortured any cats or heisted any
BMW's. This in spite of unlimited satellite TV.

His TV viewing habits include any and every old monster movie, especially
Godzilla movies. Mash reruns, Cheers and The Cosby Show. He watches
various other things as he comes across interesting bits.

Kim, at the video store, now knows he can rent anything he wants and for
reasons quite mysterious to her, he never rents slasher films or porn.
<g>

Deb L

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In a message dated 6/4/03 6:31:24 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:

<< He's eleven years old now and hasn't been arrested, hasn't been in a
fight, hasn't mugged any old ladies, tortured any cats or heisted any
BMW's. This in spite of unlimited satellite TV. >>

Maybe because we only have broadcast TV, but my boys who are teenagers also
haven't been in any of the above trouble. <g>

The only person in our house who ever watches Fear Factor is Holly. She also
likes "Elimidate" or some such sadistic dating show where people get reviewed
right to their faces and then behind their backs. Yet Holly is kind to
people and animals, and has never even tasted a bug.

-=-Kim, at the video store, now knows he can rent anything he wants and for
reasons quite mysterious to her, he never rents slasher films or porn.
<g>-=-

Movies picked up and watched voluntarily here, where we have a Hollywood
Video right out the back gate and my kids can watch anything they want to:

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (original movie)
Pirate of Penzance
Pocahontas
The Princess Bride
Weird Al in Concert
The Fifth Element (twice in a week because we got it on DVD)
Hercules and Xena (taped episodes, that's in Kirby's player)
Marty on the news (two stations did pieces on the Junior Police Academy, and
Marty showed in both, so people have watched and re-watched that)

That's what free choice looks like at our house with kids 11, 14 and 16.
I, too, learned first with food and bedtimes and choices about whether to sit
with mom at the park, or walk over to other kids; whether to have mom catch
at the bottom of the slide or not--giving them choices and discussing how
things are going is way better than any number of rules and protective measures.

Sandra

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In a message dated 6/4/03 6:31:24 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:

<< Kim, at the video store, now knows he can rent anything he wants and for
reasons quite mysterious to her, he never rents slasher films or porn.
<g> >>

Oh! Kirby and I watched the first two hours of the the villains and heroes
of American film thing last night (it was kind of slow going; it was okay), and
then Marty and I watched the last hour elsewhere.

Part was about the Bates Hotel thing (what is it? Hitchcock early-slash
thing) and Marty hadn't seen it. I've watched

PSYCHO.

I've watched The Birds (a few months ago) with Marty and Holly and last year,
The Exorcist with eight or ten kids, mostly teens, and Holly. I didn't
think either scared Marty a bit. We were discussing special effects and social
contexts. I told him I thought Psycho was scarier than those. He said he
thought The Exorcist had been pretty creepy.

If those things are historical film art your mom will watch and discuss with
you as opposed to "OOOH, let's sneak and watch THIS because our moms will hate
that," life is different.

Sandra

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On their way from Netflix:


1  Yellow Submarine   Music & Concert   06/03/03 06/06/03
  2  Robin Williams: Live on Broadway   Comedy   06/03/03
06/07/03
  3  Chitty Chitty Bang Bang   Foreign   06/02/03 06/05/03


More snapshot evidence of what people are requesting to watch here.

Our Netflix account is just whatever anyone in the house names, and they
come in whatever order Netflix gets them available. Sometimes we're renting
their most obscure stuff and sometimes we're on the list for more popular things,
but generally if we REALLY want to see the current thing, we go to Hollywood
Video on Wednesday or Thursday night when the last weekend's five-day rentals
are back in, and use Netflix for older, no big hurry stuff.

OH, I just looked at the queue and we need to load it back up. Here's all
that's left:

  The King of Masks   Foreign   Now
  The Artist: Rave UN2 the Year 2000   Music & Concert   Now

Holly wants me to get Bad News Bears, and Marty has a request for something
that's just not been released yet. Something tacky, I forget what.
(hunting...)

AH yes:

DVDs Awaiting Release
  Movie Title   Genre   Release Remove
  Orgazmo   Comedy   Unknown


Sandra

Deborah Lewis

***Part was about the Bates Hotel thing (what is it? Hitchcock
early-slash
thing) and Marty hadn't seen it. ***

Dylan likes the Hitchcock stuff. He likes the tension and people
squirming as they consider the unthinkable and then take action.

He likes the over acted drama of early horror films. <g>
He likes that someone has the power to bring cheesy monsters to life.
He likes Ray Harryhausen creatures.

But he also likes good humor, good writing, good plot.

He doesn't mind gore if there's an interesting reason for it. He's
watched some of the slasher movies of the eighties, but hasn't found much
to appreciate in them.

He watches on different levels... Some for the entertainment of a good
story, some for the nuances of human behavior, some for the appreciation
of film itself.

His recent video choices have been The Majestic, The 13th Warrior and
K19.

I just watched Pitch Black and Starship Troopers, again <g>

Deb L

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In a message dated 6/4/2003 10:27:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> <<He's eleven years old now and hasn't been arrested, hasn't been in a
> fight, hasn't mugged any old ladies, tortured any cats or heisted any
> BMW's. This in spite of unlimited satellite TV. >>
>


I also have an 11 yr. old and he watches what he wants also. For instance the
other day he watched the D-day series all on his own. He also watches the
Terminator movies,Buffy, Nick channels, Matrix, Disney stuff, Toy Story, Blank
Check and Titanic etc..

The only comment I have made is when we had free channels that Max after 10
tends to have pornography just so he didn't land on it. He hates anything that
has sex scenes.
Max was here for three days and we dumped them cuz the cable company took
some other channels we liked better and said it was an old AT&T package. We got
them back but I told them we are going to Satellite as soon as I can get an
install and a good package deal with free boxes.

He hasn't committed any crimes or gotten into mischief. I dont really think
TV causes all that kinda stuff anyway. I think it's family issues and
environment mostly.


Laura D


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In a message dated 6/4/03 9:15:13 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:

<< I just watched Pitch Black and Starship Troopers, again <g> >>

Deb, if you ever get to visit, here's how to make friends with my husband for
life: Say, "Do you have a copy of Starship Troopers?"

He would watch it every week if we did't make him stop. <bwg>

There are movies I've watched over and over, but that's definitely one of
Keith's "comfort-films," along with Seven Samurai, Sons of Katie Elder (I think
it is), Paint Your Wagon, and I'm probably forgetting some favorites.

My multi-repeats have been Brother Sun, Sister Moon; JC Superstar; Guarding
Tess; Monty Python & the Holy Grail; Henry V

Sandra

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In a message dated 6/4/03 9:21:06 AM, HMSL2@... writes:

<< He hasn't committed any crimes or gotten into mischief. I dont really
think
TV causes all that kinda stuff anyway. I think it's family issues and
environment mostly. >>

Probably if some of those kids who are walking around trying to amuse
themselves had free access to all the TV and video they could watch, they'd be home
instead of hanging around behind a strip mall playing with matches.

Sandra

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In a message dated 6/4/2003 11:41:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> <<He hasn't committed any crimes or gotten into mischief. I dont really
> think
> TV causes all that kinda stuff anyway. I think it's family issues and
> environment mostly. >>
>
> Probably if some of those kids who are walking around trying to amuse
> themselves had free access to all the TV and video they could watch, they'd
> be home
> instead of hanging around behind a strip mall playing with matches.
>
> Sandra

Very true,

I personally couldn't understand what the big interest in malls was they
bored me as a teen.


Laura D


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Betsy

**He likes the over acted drama of early horror films. <g>
He likes that someone has the power to bring cheesy monsters to life.
He likes Ray Harryhausen creatures.

But he also likes good humor, good writing, good plot.**

I bet he'd like Buffy on DVD!

Betsy

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SandraDodd@... writes:

<< Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (original movie) >>

It's back on TV. My kid loves the old books my brother gave him. I added it
to Netflix....." The Movie has been added to your Rental Queue. Currently,
this movie has a long wait. "

Unfortunately, I am not the only one who has had this idea. Darn.

~Aimee

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In a message dated 6/4/2003 4:11:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
AimeeL73@... writes:

> It's back on TV.

New art. More like the original comic books.

Kirby was attached to the character voices on the old one, and the themesong,
so he's having a hard time warming up to the new one. Luckily he has lots of
the old stuff on tape.

Sandra


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In a message dated 6/4/2003 11:40:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
> Deb, if you ever get to visit, here's how to make friends with my husband
> for
> life: Say, "Do you have a copy of Starship Troopers?"

Oh GEEZ!! My dh loves that movie too, and I just don't get it at ALL! I
thought it had a couple funny moments, but overall it was dumb. Oh well.

Ren


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Deborah Lewis

***Oh GEEZ!! My dh loves that movie too, and I just don't get it at ALL!
I
thought it had a couple funny moments, but overall it was dumb. Oh
well.***

I love the psychology of that movie and the politics. The story taking
place in a time after democracy has failed and the military had to take
over for the good of the people.

It's a fascinating look at fascism where civilians have no say in
government and citizenship is obtained only through military service.
But even in service a citizen's voice is lost to the higher ranking
officials.

The way the population is stirred into a frenzy by the politics of
military might and righteousness parallels what happened in Nazi Germany
as Hitler and his war machine tried desperately to squash the threatening
bugs of German greatness.

Yes it's a blast 'em till they 'splode mindless violence thing, but I
still love the politics. <g> Especially interesting after our own nation
has been at war again and with the current questions about the
justifications for it.

Deb L, shameless... <g>

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In a message dated 6/4/03 9:36:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ddzimlew@...
writes:

> The way the population is stirred into a frenzy by the politics of
> military might and righteousness parallels what happened in Nazi Germany
> as Hitler and his war machine tried desperately to squash the threatening
> bugs of German greatness.
>

I haven't seen Starship Troopers in a few years, but aren't the military
costumes in that movie reminiscent of Nazi Germany's Third Reich uniforms. We
enjoyed the movie, cheesy and fun, but this aspect bothered my Marine hubby to be
ticked off enough to not list it as one of his favs. He'll watch it whenever
Kass and Kree are in the mood, but complains endlessly throughout its entirety
about the choice of costuming. We have debated the actual intention of the
costume designer, due to the political aspect of the movie. Which of course leads
to a WWII discussion. Either way it pisses him off.

Rhonda


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Mary

From: <starsuncloud@...>

<<Oh GEEZ!! My dh loves that movie too, and I just don't get it at ALL! I
thought it had a couple funny moments, but overall it was dumb. Oh well.>>



That's one of the few movies here that everyone loves to watch!!!! Kids got
hooked on it ages ago. We all also like the Tremors movies!!!


Mary B

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In a message dated 6/4/03 10:13:43 PM, starsuncloud@... writes:

<< Oh GEEZ!! My dh loves that movie too, and I just don't get it at ALL! I
thought it had a couple funny moments, but overall it was dumb. >>

What I love most is that of however many thousands of bugs there would have
been (anyone who's ever even had a wasp's nest of ant bed in their yard will
know), they end up winning by killing just a very, very few. And luckily, those
few were willing to take them on one at a time, while the rest waited
offscreen somewhere.

There must be something in all the emotional buildup that appeals to guys'
sense of duty and manliness, because the plot is odd and the ending is... I
guess those bug puppets are really expensive and one's the limit.

Sandra

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In a message dated 6/5/03 7:08:29 AM, SandraDodd@... writes:

<< (anyone who's ever even had a wasp's nest of ant bed in their yard will
know), >>

OR.
You guys figured out "or," right?

YUCK! A wasp's nest made of ant bed!? I would move.