Alan & Brenda Leonard

6/1/03 17:10:

> It is hunters who for the
> most part do not litter or take down trees. It is non hunters that litter, cut
> down trees and do cruel things to animals.

I know you made several good points in your post, but this one bothered me.
I lived in Montana for a while and had friends that hunted, and worked two
summers in Glacier National Park before that, spending lots of time in the
woods.

This isn't true. You may have seen examples that would support the above
statement, but I know that there are examples of the opposite, too.

brenda

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In a message dated 6/1/2003 3:09:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
abtleo@... writes:

>
> >It is hunters who for the
> >most part do not litter or take down trees. It is non hunters that litter,
> cut
> >down trees and do cruel things to animals.
>
> I know you made several good points in your post, but this one bothered me.
> I lived in Montana for a while and had friends that hunted, and worked two
> summers in Glacier National Park before that, spending lots of time in the
> woods.
>
> This isn't true. You may have seen examples that would support the above
> statement, but I know that there are examples of the opposite, too.
>
> brenda

That why I said "for the most part." I know there are bad eggs out there as
there is in any situation.
Teachers (Pam Smart teacher in NH who had sex with student and they killed
her husband) , store clerks (who steal money), parents (self explanatory), park
rangers*(fire that started over a letter I think) and hunters *(example
poachers or simply ones that dont care to continue keep our woods clean).

Laura D


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In a message dated 6/1/03 1:09:12 PM, abtleo@... writes:

<< I know you made several good points in your post, but this one bothered me.
I lived in Montana for a while and had friends that hunted, and worked two
summers in Glacier National Park before that, spending lots of time in the
woods.

<<This isn't true. You may have seen examples that would support the above
statement, but I know that there are examples of the opposite, too. >>

So are you saying you hung out with hunters who littered and were destructive?

I'm not sure my parents always packed it all out. They were from before the
depression, and some Americans seemed to take pride in disposable bottles and
other signs of decadent plenty. Throwing trash out windows wasn't seen as
horrible. And I didn't think they knew that a little pile of trash could still
be there fifty years later. Piles of trash a hundred years before tended to
decompose better than modern trash does. Leaving cold campfires with
half-melted glass and cans didn't bother some of my parents' generation. They never
left them hot, but leaving them instead of taking them apart seemed a courtesy to
the next campers. When I was a kid I had girlscout "leave it cleaner than
you found it" training.

Sandra

Robin Clevenger

> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> > It is hunters who for the
> > most part do not litter or take down trees. It is non hunters that
litter, cut
> > down trees and do cruel things to animals.
>
> I know you made several good points in your post, but this one bothered
me.
> I lived in Montana for a while and had friends that hunted, and worked two
> summers in Glacier National Park before that, spending lots of time in the
> woods.
>
> This isn't true. You may have seen examples that would support the above
> statement, but I know that there are examples of the opposite, too.


Have to say I agree, sadly. I spend a lot of time backpacking and camping
and the areas are always the worst just after hunting season is over. I
can't tell you how many times I've gone to a campground and found deer legs
and guts hanging out on the ground, trashcans not used or overflowing
everywhere, the pit toilets crammed with garbage, etc. Even worse in the
wilderness, where at least most backpackers will take out what they brought
in. After awhile, we learned just not to go right after hunting season, give
the campgrounds a few weeks to get cleaned up.
One year while I was backpacking, we made camp after it got dark and had
severe bear problems during the night in our camp. Turns out that hunters
had used that same camping spot and had left deer legs and blood everywhere,
we didn't see it until morning. Now I'm very careful to check out camping
spots before setting up my tent!

I come from a hunting family, and my grandpa bagged an elk most years. But
he and his buddies also took a ton of beer and cans of food and I sincerely
doubt that they left their camping areas cleaner than they found them.

Blue Skies!
-Robin-