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> <<And before that, when I was in nursing school it was very much implied
> that bottle feeding was better even though they *said* breastfeeding was a
> good
> thing. >>
>
> Did they say *why* it was better? Lara.........

Cuz Mom's know it better! LOL, sorry....
All three of my kids have been and I have to say they hardly ever get sick.
My 11 yr. old has had 1 ear infection.
My 3 yr. old got sick once at 4 months (right after healthy visit at doc
office) she had picked up a virus in the office. Since then nothing.
My youngest is 1 and so far nothing.
The closest we get is a sniffle and eczema. I know breast feeding made a
difference.

My sister who never breastfed her kids has had two with tubes and non stop
ear infections. He son now has speech issues because he had so many. Her older
son gets horrible migraines and he oldest daughter has allergies. Hmmm

I had the greatest lactation consultant when I had the last. She would come
in and assist if you could. She called after we came home to check on us. The
support was great. My last two took longer to get the latch (well me too).

My lactation consultant even suggested a foot massage to relax me in the
hospital.(I had an ileus spelling no clue?) Anyway put right to sleep it was
great! Awkward at fist but great!

Not to mention the time one gets with baby so close.

Laura D


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[email protected]

In a message dated 5/30/2003 9:58:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, HMSL2@...
writes:

> ><<And before that, when I was in nursing school it was very much implied
> >that bottle feeding was better even though they *said* breastfeeding was a
> >good
> >thing. >>
> >
> >Did they say *why* it was better? Lara.........
>
> Cuz Mom's know it better! LOL, sorry....

Sorry I read that backwards!!!!
I read it as Breastfeeding was better which it is for most. My mind reading
what it wanted to see I guess.

Laura D


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Mary

From: <HMSL2@...>

<<All three of my kids have been and I have to say they hardly ever get
sick.>>


I would love for that to be true here, but I must admit that out of 4
children, the one that was nursed the least amount of time is the
healthiest. Now the one that nursed the longest is healthy, don't get me
wrong, but I think sometimes it's just luck too.

Mary B

melissa4123

--- In [email protected], "Mary" <mummy124@b...> wrote:
> From: <HMSL2@a...>
>
"All three of my kids have been and I have to say they hardly ever get
sick."

"I would love for that to be true here, but I must admit that out of 4
children, the one that was nursed the least amount of time is the
healthiest. Now the one that nursed the longest is healthy, don't get me
wrong, but I think sometimes it's just luck too."

Mary B

I have to second what Mary said here. My daughter was bottle fed from
the hosptial for several reasons, the most important one being that I
produced almost no milk. We, of course, didn't know this right away
and tried to figure out why she was screaming all the time. Once she
was given a bottle, she stopped screaming and went right to sleep.
Poor thing was getting almost nothing to eat for several days. :( I
(and my husband) was so traumatized by those first few days that I
wanted to see exactly how much she was eating.

But, back on topic, she is almost never sick. I think I've only taken
her to the doctor once because she was actually sick (she's 2). I'm
also of the opinion that putting kids in day care increases the
chances of them getting sick all the time. My niece (who was breast
fed) is in day care for 9 to 11 hours a day and she is ALWAYS sick.
I've never seen her without at least a runny nose. My former SIL
takes her to the doctor for something or other probably 2 to 3 times a
month. Amazing I know but true. I realize that breast feeding helps
to keep kids healthy but, there are several other environmental reason
for why kids are healthy or not.

Just adding my two cents,
Melissa

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In a message dated 5/31/2003 9:50:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
melissa4123@... writes:

>
> I have to second what Mary said here. My daughter was bottle fed from
> the hosptial for several reasons, the most important one being that I
> produced almost no milk. We, of course, didn't know this right away
> and tried to figure out why she was screaming all the time. Once she
> was given a bottle, she stopped screaming and went right to sleep.
> Poor thing was getting almost nothing to eat for several days. :( I
> (and my husband) was so traumatized by those first few days that I
> wanted to see exactly how much she was eating.
>
> But, back on topic, she is almost never sick. I think I've only taken
> her to the doctor once because she was actually sick (she's 2). I'm
> also of the opinion that putting kids in day care increases the
> chances of them getting sick all the time. My niece (who was breast
> fed) is in day care for 9 to 11 hours a day and she is ALWAYS sick.
> I've never seen her without at least a runny nose. My former SIL
> takes her to the doctor for something or other probably 2 to 3 times a
> month. Amazing I know but true. I realize that breast feeding helps
> to keep kids healthy but, there are several other environmental reason
> for why kids are healthy or not.
>
> Just adding my two cents,
> Melissa

Yeah you may be right. The surroundings may too contribute to the healthiness
of the child.
My kids (minus the oldest for a few months) have never been in daycare.
The worst place we go that almost always sets in the sniffles is CHUCK E.
CHEESE. The kids love it but I know when we go someone always gets the sniffles.

I also had forgotten about a friend who has four children. She nursed most of
them and they are always sick. One has pneumonia right now. They all have
allergies.
Maybe it is just luck.

Laura D


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In a message dated 5/31/03 8:38:29 AM, HMSL2@... writes:

<< I also had forgotten about a friend who has four children. She nursed most
of
them and they are always sick. One has pneumonia right now. They all have
allergies.
Maybe it is just luck. >>

I think it's just one of several factors, but just because there's more than
one factor doesn't mean we should give up and not make the best choices we can.

Some families are sickly, genetically. Nursing wouldn't make it worse, but
better. No sense saying "Genetic weakness of immune systems--might as well
bottle feed!"

Sandra

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In a message dated 5/31/2003 10:59:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> Some families are sickly, genetically. Nursing wouldn't make it worse, but
>
> better. No sense saying "Genetic weakness of immune systems--might as well
> bottle feed!"
>
> Sandra


I agree that bottle or nursed they would have inherited their Moms allergies
and immune system issues. That was probably there before they where born.

As far as milk supply (another post) I too had a rough go the first few days
with my last two. Cassidy was 10 lb. 12 oz and Nicholas was 9 lb. 11 oz. I
almost gave up. I was worried I was starving them and I had major stomach pains
(C-section landed me with an ileus sp both times) and ended up having my stay
extended by 3 days with each of them. That stay helped so much with the
nursing. Cassidy lost a few pounds but they said she prob. contained lots of
fluids. She is now 75% percentile has been all along. Nicholas lost maybe a pound
and is also around the 70%.

I wanted to nurse, so before I choose a doctor I also looked in to the
hospital that I thought would support that and that also had lactation consultants
on staff.

It is a personal choice and some may not be able to or want to nurse. My
family didn't think I would ever have kids let alone NURSE too. Totally made
them uncomfortable. They saw me always being a tomboy and couldn't get past it.

Im rambling.....

Laura D


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Tim and Maureen

I have 4 all breastfed and they all still have allergies and get colds and ear infections somewhat regularly plus immune problems. I think there are many variables around the health issue.

MT
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From: Mary
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] breastmilk


From: <HMSL2@...>

<<All three of my kids have been and I have to say they hardly ever get
sick.>>


I would love for that to be true here, but I must admit that out of 4
children, the one that was nursed the least amount of time is the
healthiest. Now the one that nursed the longest is healthy, don't get me
wrong, but I think sometimes it's just luck too.

Mary B




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Mary

From: <HMSL2@...>

<<I also had forgotten about a friend who has four children. She nursed most
of
them and they are always sick. One has pneumonia right now. They all have
allergies.
Maybe it is just luck.>>


At the same time, I want to say that it's not the only reason one should
consider breastfeeding. There are so many benefits that go along with it
aside from genetics and luck with the kids getting sick. My first was hardly
breastfed, the next 2 just a bit more and the last one I was willing to go
as long as she wanted. My last experience was the best as far as what it did
for us both. I was very sad when she decided to wean herself. If it's one
thing I could take back, it would be to not have given up when things got
tough with nursing my other 3. I wish I would have known better then.

Mary B

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In a message dated 5/31/03 2:38:27 PM, HMSL2@... writes:

<< They all have
allergies.
Maybe it is just luck. >>

It's not really just luck!! But there are exceptions (and other factors!)
just like everything else in life. Lara.......

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<< "All three of my kids have been and I have to say they hardly ever get

sick." >>

Mine are really never sick either, but about one cold per year. 8, 5, & 2,
not one ear infection, or anything else kids seem to get a lot. Just, at the
most, one cold per year. (Like this just past winter, nobody really got sick.
There was once or twice, where *we* -someone in the family- woke up feeling a
little sick, then it went away before taking hold on anyone.) I don't attribute
the breastfeeding of all of them necessarily to not catching colds, we all take
a multi-vitamin everyday, and that probably helps things too. No ear
infections, no allergies of any kind, etc, is what I think is directly related to the
breastfeeding. I was breastfeed until I weaned myself, very healthy kid and
adult, and still not ever allergic to a thing. My husband was adopted (therefore
not breastfed), and though he grew like a weed (he's 6' 5''), he's allergic
to many things, including allergies bad, and has been his whole life. He has
some pitiful child stories! His sister (also adopted, no blood relation) is
allergic to even more things then dh. She's allergic to most meds, even the ones
people take who are allergic to other meds. When she gets sick, which is often,
and always has been, the Drs. get nervous! (Now, I certainly don't mean there
are not breastfeeding=healthy exceptions, going either way, obviously there
are! AND the duration of breastfeeding plays a huge part too, as do other life
style factors!) Anyway, breastfeeding does make you healthier and I mean a
****life-long**** healthier - not just babies/kids. They've proven it, and
besides that, it really only makes perfect sense anyway.
Lara..........

Robin Clevenger

> From: SandraDodd@...
> In a message dated 5/31/03 8:38:29 AM, HMSL2@... writes:
>
> << I also had forgotten about a friend who has four children. She nursed
most
> of
> them and they are always sick. One has pneumonia right now. They all have
> allergies.
> Maybe it is just luck. >>
>
> I think it's just one of several factors, but just because there's more
than
> one factor doesn't mean we should give up and not make the best choices we
can.
>
> Some families are sickly, genetically. Nursing wouldn't make it worse,
but
> better. No sense saying "Genetic weakness of immune systems--might as
well
> bottle feed!"

Not to mention that if you do end up with a kid who is sick more often or
has allergies, breastmilk can often be a lifesaver. My son went through a
terrible time with allergies when he was 4. I will always be grateful that
he was still nursing because there were times when there were so few foods
he could eat that we knew were safe, at least I knew he was getting great
nutrition through the breastmilk (and since I also had a younger nursling,
it was still plentiful at that age). Of course, it also meant that I had to
go on the same food-avoidance diet that he was on until we got his allergies
figured out, but that's a small sacrifice for some great peace of mind.
I also have to wonder if his allergies, which sent us to the ER a couple of
times, would've been more severe, and thus even more life-threatening, if he
didn't have several years of nursing beneath his belt.
One reason I hope my 3 y.o. doesn't wean any time soon is that there's some
pretty scary illnesses out there in the world. With something like West Nile
virus or SARS that have the potential to be deadly, maybe the fact that a
child was still nursing could make the difference between life and death.
I'll never forget a woman on an email list whose child got E.Coli. She
nursed him all the way through it, and it made a huge impact on how he made
it through the course of the disease, esp. as that's another one that can
easily kill small kids and toddlers.
You just can't go wrong with breastmilk, IMHO. Great stuff, and if you run
out of creamer for your coffee, you've always got a source handy ;-)

Blue Skies!
-Robin-

unolist

>
> I also had forgotten about a friend who has four children. She
nursed most of
> them and they are always sick. One has pneumonia right now. They
all have
> allergies.
> Maybe it is just luck.
>
> Laura D
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yep. My first child was breastfeed a few short weeks, had enough ear
infections that we ended up doing tubes....I started smoking again
when I weaned her.

My second, seven long years later, was going to be different!
Breastmilk is the white gold, miracle substance! She was full-term,
healthy birthweight, exclusively breastfed, never in daycare, and
when she gets sick, she gets it bad. She was in the hospital for two
days at six months old with a lung infection (from RSV that is
supposed to be risky for preemies and small birthweight babies) on
breathing treatments, and had her on breathing treatments at home for
a week. She had another trip a few months later, a simple virus
caused her breathing trouble.

Just last year she was taken via ambulance after frantic 911 calls
after she had febrile seizures, on two separate occasions. The first
time I didn't know what it was, and thought she was dying, she turned
stiff and blue and unresponsive. Another seizure brought on by sudden
fever less than two months later.

This past winter she had pneumonia. It makes me cry just typing about
it, how fragile she seems. She was breastfed until almost three,
child led weaned.


Ang, catching up on old posts and she is stuck at the puter with a
bad twisted ankle

unolist

> Just last year she was taken via ambulance after frantic 911 calls
> after she had febrile seizures, on two separate occasions. The
first
> time I didn't know what it was, and thought she was dying, she
turned
> stiff and blue and unresponsive. Another seizure brought on by
sudden
> fever less than two months later.
>
> This past winter she had pneumonia.

I forgot to say, the seizures at 2.5yrs, a year and a half ago and we
stopped schooling soon after, and she was three with pneumonia, will
be four in july

ang

coyote's corner

Ang,
My heart goes out to you. On top of everything else - a bad ankle!!
I can so relate.
If I may e-mail you off list, I have some home remedies that I use.
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: unolist
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: breastmilk


>
> I also had forgotten about a friend who has four children. She
nursed most of
> them and they are always sick. One has pneumonia right now. They
all have
> allergies.
> Maybe it is just luck.
>
> Laura D
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yep. My first child was breastfeed a few short weeks, had enough ear
infections that we ended up doing tubes....I started smoking again
when I weaned her.

My second, seven long years later, was going to be different!
Breastmilk is the white gold, miracle substance! She was full-term,
healthy birthweight, exclusively breastfed, never in daycare, and
when she gets sick, she gets it bad. She was in the hospital for two
days at six months old with a lung infection (from RSV that is
supposed to be risky for preemies and small birthweight babies) on
breathing treatments, and had her on breathing treatments at home for
a week. She had another trip a few months later, a simple virus
caused her breathing trouble.

Just last year she was taken via ambulance after frantic 911 calls
after she had febrile seizures, on two separate occasions. The first
time I didn't know what it was, and thought she was dying, she turned
stiff and blue and unresponsive. Another seizure brought on by sudden
fever less than two months later.

This past winter she had pneumonia. It makes me cry just typing about
it, how fragile she seems. She was breastfed until almost three,
child led weaned.


Ang, catching up on old posts and she is stuck at the puter with a
bad twisted ankle



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unolist

--- In [email protected], "coyote's corner"
<jana@c...> wrote:
> Ang,
> My heart goes out to you. On top of everything else - a bad ankle!!
> I can so relate.
> If I may e-mail you off list, I have some home remedies that I use.
> Janis


Thanks, that would be great! It's not swollen or bruised at all, but
is stiff and numb and intermittenly throbs. I keep icing it down, and
taking ibuprofen. I seriously can't put any weight on it. Even
lifting my leg to adjust the pillow that I am propping up on sends
pains shooting up my leg. I was finishing up shampooing the family
room when I heard screams near the basement stairs, my almost 2yo
dropped his train and I thought it was him thumping down to the
cement floor. I ran and hit a puddle on the linoleum and slide crash
boom, foot buckled under me. I was doing so well this weekend and
this week! STaying off the puter and getting stuff done for a busy
weekend of going to kentucky kingdom and having a 2yo birthday party.
Now I may have to cancel the trip. I can't walk around an amusement
park like this!

Now here I am, rolling around in my computer chair and catching up on
the list, and finishing my overdue Teach Your Own.

Ang, who has never broken a bone or had serious injury at all.

coyote's corner

Ang,
Can you e-mail me off list??
coyote@...>

Thanks,
Janis
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From: unolist
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:34 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: breastmilk


--- In [email protected], "coyote's corner"
<jana@c...> wrote:
> Ang,
> My heart goes out to you. On top of everything else - a bad ankle!!
> I can so relate.
> If I may e-mail you off list, I have some home remedies that I use.
> Janis


Thanks, that would be great! It's not swollen or bruised at all, but
is stiff and numb and intermittenly throbs. I keep icing it down, and
taking ibuprofen. I seriously can't put any weight on it. Even
lifting my leg to adjust the pillow that I am propping up on sends
pains shooting up my leg. I was finishing up shampooing the family
room when I heard screams near the basement stairs, my almost 2yo
dropped his train and I thought it was him thumping down to the
cement floor. I ran and hit a puddle on the linoleum and slide crash
boom, foot buckled under me. I was doing so well this weekend and
this week! STaying off the puter and getting stuff done for a busy
weekend of going to kentucky kingdom and having a 2yo birthday party.
Now I may have to cancel the trip. I can't walk around an amusement
park like this!

Now here I am, rolling around in my computer chair and catching up on
the list, and finishing my overdue Teach Your Own.

Ang, who has never broken a bone or had serious injury at all.


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