Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] (need help)
libbygirl
Sonia,
Hi Both my daughters have had the exact same problem (my eldest is now 10)
and we did the whole test-thing; blood tests, x-rays, ultrasounds. She would
wake up at night crying with the pain some times so I knew it wasn't "just"
an attention-getting thing (my Mother-in-law's take on it!!) Eventually,
they found that both girls had enlarged kidneys but this is supposedly an
asymptomatic condition . In other words, this shouldn't have been causing
the pain etc.
Nothing ever was diagnosed and they both seem to have out grown it by about
9/10 years old. i have no idea what caused it but having done the gamut of
tests, eventually treated it as I would a headache ie. mild Pamol (ummmmm I
think US = Tylenol??) drink of water and rest. I know that sounds dumb but
nothing was ever diagnosed so that was the best I could do.
It was scary though and I am very glad that it just kind of ebbed away
within about a year. A friend suggested it was maybe connected to the
ovaries maturing etc. but I really couldn't say. Good luck!!
Regards,
Brooke
Hi Both my daughters have had the exact same problem (my eldest is now 10)
and we did the whole test-thing; blood tests, x-rays, ultrasounds. She would
wake up at night crying with the pain some times so I knew it wasn't "just"
an attention-getting thing (my Mother-in-law's take on it!!) Eventually,
they found that both girls had enlarged kidneys but this is supposedly an
asymptomatic condition . In other words, this shouldn't have been causing
the pain etc.
Nothing ever was diagnosed and they both seem to have out grown it by about
9/10 years old. i have no idea what caused it but having done the gamut of
tests, eventually treated it as I would a headache ie. mild Pamol (ummmmm I
think US = Tylenol??) drink of water and rest. I know that sounds dumb but
nothing was ever diagnosed so that was the best I could do.
It was scary though and I am very glad that it just kind of ebbed away
within about a year. A friend suggested it was maybe connected to the
ovaries maturing etc. but I really couldn't say. Good luck!!
Regards,
Brooke
K WORTHEN
Hi Sonia,
We just went through a similar situation with our 7 year old
daughter. The doctor finally ordered a stomach x-ray (not an ultrasound) and
it showed that her intestinal tract was completly backed up with poop. This
came as a complete shock to me since I knew that she was going on a daily
basis. The doc said she was probably going just enough to relieve herself,
but for whatever reason (too busy playing, etc.) she just wasn't going
enough to empty herself. We began her on a regiment of natural vegetable
laxative, very high fiber diet, and some behavior modification, which
included sitting on the toilet for 15 min. upon waking, after lunch and
before bed and asking her several times a day if she needed to go. This,
combined with the fact that she ended up catching a stomach bug and had a
week of diarreah (yuck) seems to have done the trick. I hope this helps.
Sorry for the long explanation. Good Luck.
Amy
We just went through a similar situation with our 7 year old
daughter. The doctor finally ordered a stomach x-ray (not an ultrasound) and
it showed that her intestinal tract was completly backed up with poop. This
came as a complete shock to me since I knew that she was going on a daily
basis. The doc said she was probably going just enough to relieve herself,
but for whatever reason (too busy playing, etc.) she just wasn't going
enough to empty herself. We began her on a regiment of natural vegetable
laxative, very high fiber diet, and some behavior modification, which
included sitting on the toilet for 15 min. upon waking, after lunch and
before bed and asking her several times a day if she needed to go. This,
combined with the fact that she ended up catching a stomach bug and had a
week of diarreah (yuck) seems to have done the trick. I hope this helps.
Sorry for the long explanation. Good Luck.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sonia Ulan" <sulan@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 3:39 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] (need help)
> From: Sonia Ulan <sulan@...>
>
>
>
> I need some friendly parenting advice:
>
> For about 6 months now my 7 year old daughter has complained of
> non-descript cramps/tummy aches. I am at my wit's end trying to figure
> out the cause. The doctor gave my daughter a general exam and ordered
> routine tests and an ultrasound but nothing came up. For a while I
> wondered if she could suddenly be gluten or dairy sensitive and we tried
> the appropriate diets with no success. Still lots of cramps with no
> real rhyme or reason, at all times of the day or night.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on this situation?
>
> Thanks very much,
> Sonia
>
> P.S. Further to all the discussion re: baby diets and nursing and
> introduction to solids etc. our situation with our children has always
> involved late introduction to solids and child-led weaning at an
> advanced age. (So I am hoping this is not allergy-related!!!)
>
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In a message dated 3/14/2000 4:51:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kworthen@... writes:
<< We just went through a similar situation with our 7 year old
daughter. The doctor finally ordered a stomach x-ray (not an ultrasound) and
it showed that her intestinal tract was completely backed up with poop. >>
Yup... this was the exact same thing that was wrong with my DD a couple of
years ago. The doctor also wanted her to drink a cup of apple cider a day.
wiht diet change it worked itself out.
Teri
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Suite101 Unschooling Editor
http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/unschooling
Assistant Editor For Voices,
The Journal of the National Home Education Network www.nhen.org
Columnist For The Link: A Homeschooling Newspaper
Homeschooling - Christian Unschooling - Natural learning
http://www.inspirit.com.au/unschooling/
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kworthen@... writes:
<< We just went through a similar situation with our 7 year old
daughter. The doctor finally ordered a stomach x-ray (not an ultrasound) and
it showed that her intestinal tract was completely backed up with poop. >>
Yup... this was the exact same thing that was wrong with my DD a couple of
years ago. The doctor also wanted her to drink a cup of apple cider a day.
wiht diet change it worked itself out.
Teri
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Teri Brown
Suite101 Unschooling Editor
http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/unschooling
Assistant Editor For Voices,
The Journal of the National Home Education Network www.nhen.org
Columnist For The Link: A Homeschooling Newspaper
Homeschooling - Christian Unschooling - Natural learning
http://www.inspirit.com.au/unschooling/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lisa Bugg
I have a son that also has cramps like this. One MD told me it is more than
likely a pocket of gas trapped in the upper small intestine. He even had a
name for it. He said there was an area up under the left rib cage where the
intestine can rise upward, causing things not to flow well. The reason
there is no logical pattern to the cramps is that it's dependent on what the
kids have eaten and when. Given daily fluctuations in eating time,
combinations of food, and activity, you can't nail it down.
LisaKK
likely a pocket of gas trapped in the upper small intestine. He even had a
name for it. He said there was an area up under the left rib cage where the
intestine can rise upward, causing things not to flow well. The reason
there is no logical pattern to the cramps is that it's dependent on what the
kids have eaten and when. Given daily fluctuations in eating time,
combinations of food, and activity, you can't nail it down.
LisaKK
----- Original Message -----
From: Sonia Ulan <sulan@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 2:39 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] (need help)
> From: Sonia Ulan <sulan@...>
>
>
>
> I need some friendly parenting advice:
>
> For about 6 months now my 7 year old daughter has complained of
> non-descript cramps/tummy aches. I am at my wit's end trying to figure
> out the cause. The doctor gave my daughter a general exam and ordered
> routine tests and an ultrasound but nothing came up. For a while I
> wondered if she could suddenly be gluten or dairy sensitive and we tried
> the appropriate diets with no success. Still lots of cramps with no
> real rhyme or reason, at all times of the day or night.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on this situation?
>
> Thanks very much,
> Sonia
>
> P.S. Further to all the discussion re: baby diets and nursing and
> introduction to solids etc. our situation with our children has always
> involved late introduction to solids and child-led weaning at an
> advanced age. (So I am hoping this is not allergy-related!!!)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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To Sonia,
My family and I have been using homeopathy as our main
source of healing for over 10 years. One thing I have learned is that most
of our physical symptoms begin as an emotion whether or not we are aware of
it. I am suggesting you think about what was going on in your daughter's
life when she first started feeling the stomach pains. This may help you
determine the cause and help her deal with it. Good luck to you and your
daughter! Jackie
My family and I have been using homeopathy as our main
source of healing for over 10 years. One thing I have learned is that most
of our physical symptoms begin as an emotion whether or not we are aware of
it. I am suggesting you think about what was going on in your daughter's
life when she first started feeling the stomach pains. This may help you
determine the cause and help her deal with it. Good luck to you and your
daughter! Jackie
Lynda
Have you tried acidopholous (I know, I know, I can't spell worth figs!).
Hubby has the tummy problem and has started taking it and no more cramps or
other related problems. He has also taken up eating yogurt. The theory
behind this was that his problems were caused by upsetting the normal
"flora and fauna" that reside in your innerds (anything can do this from
too much of a particular food to antibiotics to allergies) and yogurt and
acidopholous encourage the "good" bacteria and balance your system. It's
just a thought and it worked for him.
I also have a son that was born with colic. Absolutely nothing helped
except taking him for rides in the car. I was nursing him and everyone
said it was what I was eating, so I completely changed my diet (slowly
removing anything/everything that might be the cause) and that didn't help.
Even LLL gave up on trying to figure something and advised trying the goat
milk routine. This didn't help either. When he reached about 3ish, I
started giving him the acidopholous and yogurt and that helped somewhat.
Anything was better! We finally figured out that he needed to just pass
gas whenever he got the urge. He had always held it in, politeness sake, I
guess, and once he started heading for the bathroom at the first sign of an
ache or cramp, it was "cured."
Lynda
----------
Hubby has the tummy problem and has started taking it and no more cramps or
other related problems. He has also taken up eating yogurt. The theory
behind this was that his problems were caused by upsetting the normal
"flora and fauna" that reside in your innerds (anything can do this from
too much of a particular food to antibiotics to allergies) and yogurt and
acidopholous encourage the "good" bacteria and balance your system. It's
just a thought and it worked for him.
I also have a son that was born with colic. Absolutely nothing helped
except taking him for rides in the car. I was nursing him and everyone
said it was what I was eating, so I completely changed my diet (slowly
removing anything/everything that might be the cause) and that didn't help.
Even LLL gave up on trying to figure something and advised trying the goat
milk routine. This didn't help either. When he reached about 3ish, I
started giving him the acidopholous and yogurt and that helped somewhat.
Anything was better! We finally figured out that he needed to just pass
gas whenever he got the urge. He had always held it in, politeness sake, I
guess, and once he started heading for the bathroom at the first sign of an
ache or cramp, it was "cured."
Lynda
----------
> From: Sonia Ulan <sulan@...>
>
> I need some friendly parenting advice:
>
> For about 6 months now my 7 year old daughter has complained of
> non-descript cramps/tummy aches. I am at my wit's end trying to figure
> out the cause. The doctor gave my daughter a general exam and ordered
> routine tests and an ultrasound but nothing came up. For a while I
> wondered if she could suddenly be gluten or dairy sensitive and we tried
> the appropriate diets with no success. Still lots of cramps with no
> real rhyme or reason, at all times of the day or night.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on this situation?
>
> Thanks very much,
> Sonia
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Sonia,
Wow, I have read all the responses to your post. How amazing all the
different things that cause the stomach problems.
Here is mine. When I was in first grade, not ever before, right after lunch I
would go out to play for 30 min. (back in the stone age schools used to let
kids do that) then back to the class for afternoon classes. I would then get
horrible cramps and have to lay in the hall (not on the floor, there was a
little bed behind a screen). This went on every afternoon for 3 or 4 days.
Finally, the teacher from the next room (a real shrew) came by and told my
teacher that It sure was funny to her how I could go out and play before I
got sick. She said some other mean stuff, all where I could hear. I went
home and started crying and telling my mom. She went bananas, she was so mad
at what the teacher had said. First, she took me to the dr. he did exam,
then made an appointment to have scratch tests done. Turned out I was
allergic to the world! Milk and dairy products, citrus (pretty major when
you live in Fla. and have grapefruit growing outside your bedroom window)!
Plus chocolate and nylon, that was just to begin with. At any rate, what
happened was that until I was this age, 6 or 7 this didn't start to make
itself known. Drs. back then did a lot of allergy testing. Now days they
want to do other things, so, if your doctor didn't say anything about
allergies, maybe you should check it out. I had these awful cramps all the
time. Even after I took the shot series and stuff, I almost died because I
had these awful cramps for several days. We thought it was from the
allergies, and didn't really do much about it, my appendix burst, and by the
time I got to the hospital, the dr told my mom I would have been dead in 30
min if I had stayed at home. this was on a Wednesday night and my parents
were going to prayer meeting. They said if I wasn't better by the time they
got home they were taking me to the dr. I started crying and said I want to
go now. When mom called the dr and told him the symptoms, he had the surgical
team and OR ready for emergency appendectomy, I ended up in the ICU 3 days,
never knew it, had a drain in cause the peritonitis had spread all over.
Geesh! sorry to be so long winded. Point is, people don't really associate
cramps with allergies very often, so it is a possibility you might want to
suggest to your dr.
Teresa
Wow, I have read all the responses to your post. How amazing all the
different things that cause the stomach problems.
Here is mine. When I was in first grade, not ever before, right after lunch I
would go out to play for 30 min. (back in the stone age schools used to let
kids do that) then back to the class for afternoon classes. I would then get
horrible cramps and have to lay in the hall (not on the floor, there was a
little bed behind a screen). This went on every afternoon for 3 or 4 days.
Finally, the teacher from the next room (a real shrew) came by and told my
teacher that It sure was funny to her how I could go out and play before I
got sick. She said some other mean stuff, all where I could hear. I went
home and started crying and telling my mom. She went bananas, she was so mad
at what the teacher had said. First, she took me to the dr. he did exam,
then made an appointment to have scratch tests done. Turned out I was
allergic to the world! Milk and dairy products, citrus (pretty major when
you live in Fla. and have grapefruit growing outside your bedroom window)!
Plus chocolate and nylon, that was just to begin with. At any rate, what
happened was that until I was this age, 6 or 7 this didn't start to make
itself known. Drs. back then did a lot of allergy testing. Now days they
want to do other things, so, if your doctor didn't say anything about
allergies, maybe you should check it out. I had these awful cramps all the
time. Even after I took the shot series and stuff, I almost died because I
had these awful cramps for several days. We thought it was from the
allergies, and didn't really do much about it, my appendix burst, and by the
time I got to the hospital, the dr told my mom I would have been dead in 30
min if I had stayed at home. this was on a Wednesday night and my parents
were going to prayer meeting. They said if I wasn't better by the time they
got home they were taking me to the dr. I started crying and said I want to
go now. When mom called the dr and told him the symptoms, he had the surgical
team and OR ready for emergency appendectomy, I ended up in the ICU 3 days,
never knew it, had a drain in cause the peritonitis had spread all over.
Geesh! sorry to be so long winded. Point is, people don't really associate
cramps with allergies very often, so it is a possibility you might want to
suggest to your dr.
Teresa