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In a message dated 5/28/03 11:12:11 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

> <<so it isn't the kids I'm worried about anymore...it's me. An
>
> introverted literary type who enjoys reading more than anything,
>
> whose house is falling apart around her ears because she's
>
> been "doing what she wants" (Reading) and not taking care of things.
>

I know I'm a newbie........but this is my mantra I teach to every
person I meet, who wants to fill that "hole". The secret is creativity. It is
the path to your soul. It can be found in writing, drawing, making homemade
candles or soaps or bath & body products, painting (the walls in the house
count), macrame', sewing, pottery, just do those creative things, until one
day........it hits you in the head like a brick....."AH HA, I FOUND MY CREATIVE
PASSION" You'll know when it hits you, you become obsessed, and can't do it
enough......when it becomes a passion, your soul opens up....and your
happiness.....and sometimes, if you are lucky....you can even make some extra money from it.
So many times as homeschool Mom's ~ our life is completely surrounding our
children.....and we forget who we are, or who we wanted to be when we grew up.
You will do your partner, children and yourself a huge favor and
example.......just finding that creative flow. (Getting off the soap box now)
Michelle


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Heidi

--- In [email protected], CherokeeSoap@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/28/03 11:12:11 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> > <<so it isn't the kids I'm worried about anymore...it's me. An
> >
> > introverted literary type who enjoys reading more than anything,
> >
> > whose house is falling apart around her ears because she's
> >
> > been "doing what she wants" (Reading) and not taking care of
things.
> >
>
> I know I'm a newbie........but this is my mantra I teach to
every
> person I meet, who wants to fill that "hole". The secret is
creativity. It is
> the path to your soul. It can be found in writing, drawing,
making homemade
> candles or soaps or bath & body products, painting (the walls in
the house
> count), macrame', sewing, pottery, just do those creative things,
until one
> day........it hits you in the head like a brick....."AH HA, I
FOUND MY CREATIVE
> PASSION" You'll know when it hits you, you become obsessed, and
can't do it
> enough......when it becomes a passion, your soul opens up....and
your
> happiness.....and sometimes, if you are lucky....you can even make
some extra money from it.
> So many times as homeschool Mom's ~ our life is completely
surrounding our
> children.....and we forget who we are, or who we wanted to be when
we grew up.
> You will do your partner, children and yourself a huge favor and
> example.......just finding that creative flow. (Getting off the
soap box now)
> Michelle
>


Thanks Michelle

I already know where my best creativity is manifest: in writing. I
love to write. I HAVE to write. and I want to write and make money
at it. I've gone so far as checking out "Wishcraft" and some author
biographies and a WONDERFUL advice book by Carolyn See a fiction
author.

And I get scared. I have this dream, and it's way up there, and
writing a thousand words per day is a daily goal in shooting for
that far away dream, and I read it and say "bleh. who would want to
read this?" or "It's been said before" and my dream fades.

so I limit my writing to letters and discussion groups online. :(

Oh, I'm being such a baby today. Sorry. Must be gonna get my Moon
Time. as Janis??? calls it.

HeidiC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

coyote's corner

Hi,
Yup, I call it moontime.
Write....but re-read it.
Leave it.

Seriously, just write it and leave it.

Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Heidi
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Creative Passion


--- In [email protected], CherokeeSoap@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/28/03 11:12:11 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> > <<so it isn't the kids I'm worried about anymore...it's me. An
> >
> > introverted literary type who enjoys reading more than anything,
> >
> > whose house is falling apart around her ears because she's
> >
> > been "doing what she wants" (Reading) and not taking care of
things.
> >
>
> I know I'm a newbie........but this is my mantra I teach to
every
> person I meet, who wants to fill that "hole". The secret is
creativity. It is
> the path to your soul. It can be found in writing, drawing,
making homemade
> candles or soaps or bath & body products, painting (the walls in
the house
> count), macrame', sewing, pottery, just do those creative things,
until one
> day........it hits you in the head like a brick....."AH HA, I
FOUND MY CREATIVE
> PASSION" You'll know when it hits you, you become obsessed, and
can't do it
> enough......when it becomes a passion, your soul opens up....and
your
> happiness.....and sometimes, if you are lucky....you can even make
some extra money from it.
> So many times as homeschool Mom's ~ our life is completely
surrounding our
> children.....and we forget who we are, or who we wanted to be when
we grew up.
> You will do your partner, children and yourself a huge favor and
> example.......just finding that creative flow. (Getting off the
soap box now)
> Michelle
>


Thanks Michelle

I already know where my best creativity is manifest: in writing. I
love to write. I HAVE to write. and I want to write and make money
at it. I've gone so far as checking out "Wishcraft" and some author
biographies and a WONDERFUL advice book by Carolyn See a fiction
author.

And I get scared. I have this dream, and it's way up there, and
writing a thousand words per day is a daily goal in shooting for
that far away dream, and I read it and say "bleh. who would want to
read this?" or "It's been said before" and my dream fades.

so I limit my writing to letters and discussion groups online. :(

Oh, I'm being such a baby today. Sorry. Must be gonna get my Moon
Time. as Janis??? calls it.

HeidiC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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coyote's corner

oops.
I meant don't re-read it.
Just write it.

I think you maybe too close to it while you're writing it....just leave it be.

Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: coyote's corner
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Creative Passion


Hi,
Yup, I call it moontime.
Write....but re-read it.
Leave it.

Seriously, just write it and leave it.

Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Heidi
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Creative Passion


--- In [email protected], CherokeeSoap@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/28/03 11:12:11 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> > <<so it isn't the kids I'm worried about anymore...it's me. An
> >
> > introverted literary type who enjoys reading more than anything,
> >
> > whose house is falling apart around her ears because she's
> >
> > been "doing what she wants" (Reading) and not taking care of
things.
> >
>
> I know I'm a newbie........but this is my mantra I teach to
every
> person I meet, who wants to fill that "hole". The secret is
creativity. It is
> the path to your soul. It can be found in writing, drawing,
making homemade
> candles or soaps or bath & body products, painting (the walls in
the house
> count), macrame', sewing, pottery, just do those creative things,
until one
> day........it hits you in the head like a brick....."AH HA, I
FOUND MY CREATIVE
> PASSION" You'll know when it hits you, you become obsessed, and
can't do it
> enough......when it becomes a passion, your soul opens up....and
your
> happiness.....and sometimes, if you are lucky....you can even make
some extra money from it.
> So many times as homeschool Mom's ~ our life is completely
surrounding our
> children.....and we forget who we are, or who we wanted to be when
we grew up.
> You will do your partner, children and yourself a huge favor and
> example.......just finding that creative flow. (Getting off the
soap box now)
> Michelle
>


Thanks Michelle

I already know where my best creativity is manifest: in writing. I
love to write. I HAVE to write. and I want to write and make money
at it. I've gone so far as checking out "Wishcraft" and some author
biographies and a WONDERFUL advice book by Carolyn See a fiction
author.

And I get scared. I have this dream, and it's way up there, and
writing a thousand words per day is a daily goal in shooting for
that far away dream, and I read it and say "bleh. who would want to
read this?" or "It's been said before" and my dream fades.

so I limit my writing to letters and discussion groups online. :(

Oh, I'm being such a baby today. Sorry. Must be gonna get my Moon
Time. as Janis??? calls it.

HeidiC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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[email protected]

In a message dated 5/28/03 4:24:20 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

> And I get scared. I have this dream, and it's way up there, and
> writing a thousand words per day is a daily goal in shooting for
> that far away dream, and I read it and say "bleh. who would want to
> read this?" or "It's been said before" and my dream fades.
>

listen to the voice that says.......do it! You wouldn't believe my
dreams, and it seems they keep happening, so I make more dreams.....and I can
keep doing it, because I have found my passion......so go for it....I made alot
of bars of soap, that I looked at and said "Bleh" ~ Now I look at them and
smile :)


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Fetteroll

on 5/28/03 3:02 PM, Heidi at bunsofaluminum60@... wrote:

> And I get scared. I have this dream, and it's way up there, and
> writing a thousand words per day is a daily goal in shooting for
> that far away dream, and I read it and say "bleh. who would want to
> read this?" or "It's been said before" and my dream fades.

Don't write for other people. Write for yourself. Do it because you have
something inside that wants to get outside. Do it because you want to get
those thoughts organized into something concrete.

Joyce

Tia Leschke

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
>
> > And I get scared. I have this dream, and it's way up there, and
> > writing a thousand words per day is a daily goal in shooting for
> > that far away dream, and I read it and say "bleh. who would want to
> > read this?" or "It's been said before" and my dream fades.

Read Bird By Bird by Anne Lamot (sp?) One of her most important principles
of writing is that we need to write "shitty first drafts". Best to put
those first drafts away and don't look at them until you're ready to revise.
The distance really helps to look at your work with fresh eyes. And "shitty
first drafts" can usually be worked into pretty decent second drafts, which
can usually be worked into something pretty good eventually.
Tia

[email protected]

In a message dated 5/29/03 11:21:26 AM, leschke@... writes:

<< Read Bird By Bird by Anne Lamot (sp?) One of her most important principles

of writing is that we need to write "shitty first drafts". Best to put

those first drafts away and don't look at them until you're ready to revise.
>>

Writing advice is a danger, because as with any creative endeavor, someone
will be writing about the way it works for THEM. Some people paint and paint
over and paint over, and some don't paint over. Some people write music and
then revise, and some keep the ideas in their heads until it comes out and STAYS
out the way it came out.

I figure school "methods" come from one theorist or teacher trying to get
people to learn his way, the way that worked for him and his (genetically
related) children and his favorite students.

That method might work for a great majority of people, but it shouldn't be
taken to the bank as the One True Way.

Sandra

Tia Leschke

> Writing advice is a danger, because as with any creative endeavor, someone
> will be writing about the way it works for THEM. Some people paint and
paint
> over and paint over, and some don't paint over. Some people write music
and
> then revise, and some keep the ideas in their heads until it comes out and
STAYS
> out the way it came out.

But for someone who is looking at their first drafts and becoming
discouraged, it can be helpful to let them know that they don't need to
expect their first drafts to be good. And a lot of writers get so hung up
trying to make their first drafts perfect that their creative muse takes a
hike on them. <g>
Tia

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...

[email protected]

I think it was Ray Bradbury that had the words "Don't Think" over his typewriter (both Zen + stops over editing).

Also, there's a story about how hard it was for James Joyce to write. His friend came by on day to find him poised over the typewriter immoble. The friend (anyone remember who it was - it was another author) couldn't get Joyce to even acknowlege he was there. So he left - came back a week later - Joyce was still poised over the t-writer as if he had not moved in 7 days. THAT'S editing in your head!

Me, I find writing a bit like taking blood - once the needle is in and I've started it works well, but hard to begin - fear of saying it "BAD"-ly. So I moved on to the camera!

My thoughts

Tim Thomas
http://www.stillwaters.ca


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[email protected]

In a message dated 5/29/03 1:54:33 PM, leschke@... writes:

<< But for someone who is looking at their first drafts and becoming

discouraged, it can be helpful to let them know that they don't need to

expect their first drafts to be good. And a lot of writers get so hung up

trying to make their first drafts perfect that their creative muse takes a

hike on them. <g> >>

True.

And I noticed (in my rough first draft, which I mailed to all'o'ya'll)
"> Writing advice is a danger,"

There's an ambiguous phrase for sure!!! <g>

I meant to say "Taking others' advice about how writing works..." but I opted
for three words instead of enough words! <g>

Sorry.


Sandra

cris trainor

> > And I get scared. I have this dream, and it's way up there, and
> > writing a thousand words per day is a daily goal in shooting for
> > that far away dream, and I read it and say "bleh. who would want to
> > read this?" or "It's been said before" and my dream fades.

>>>>>Read Bird By Bird by Anne Lamot (sp?) One of her most important
>>>>>principles
of writing is that we need to write "shitty first drafts". Best to put
those first drafts away and don't look at them until you're ready to revise.
The distance really helps to look at your work with fresh eyes. And "shitty
first drafts" can usually be worked into pretty decent second drafts, which
can usually be worked into something pretty good eventually.
Tia<<<<<<<<<


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> > And I get scared. I have this dream, and it's way up there, and
> > writing a thousand words per day is a daily goal in shooting for
> > that far away dream, and I read it and say "bleh. who would want to
> > read this?" or "It's been said before" and my dream fades.


Then don't read it! Just keep writing until it starts to flow and feel
right. Then go back and when you've got something more or less done, edit
and change and revise until it all feels good. Most authors do a *minimum*
of five drafts, so don't expect to get it right the first time, especially
if you're just starting out. I'm on the eighth draft of my first novel right
now, and I'm guessing number nine is going to be the one I send off. Just
keep at it, it does get easier!
If you want more inspiration, read Anne Lamott's book "Bird by Bird". She
has an entire chapter called "Sh*tty First Drafts". It's very cheering.

Blue Skies!
-Robin-