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In a message dated 5/9/2003 11:38:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:

> **We reminded her, he DOES
> {he makes custom countertops and cabinets}**
>
> If only homeschoolers had more money, we'd be a terrific side market.
> Pretty much every homeschooling mom I know dreams of having some nice
> carpenter come to her house and create built-in, floor-to-ceiling
> bookcases. (I want mine with that ladder that slides along the front. <g>)
>
> Betsy

If we only had the funds the school got when they where in. With the funds
the pubic school has per child I can imagine all the things and places our
children's dreams could take them.

An audio program for the child that wants to do cartoon voices?
Props for local play's in small towns?

Money to go to SC ;)

Tax break for a bigger vehicle? (this is an issue for us right now)

Funds to create a computer game, Books, Movies etc.

A tax credit for a computer purchase (needed for the parent and the child)

Here in Maine the students in 6th grade get a laptop. (my son would love to
have one to do all his Xbox code searches, Ebay, Game sites, research places
he wants to go, etc.).

Hmm, a tax credit would be nice.
Just thinking out loud, this has been on my mind for a couple months.
Not only do we loose an income (by choice I know) but we spend funds we dont
have to raise wonderful children and PS gets paid to what? Yell, punish,
squash hopes and dreams bla bla bla....
I want my tax dollars back!

Laura D
Who tends to be open to her thoughts ; )


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sorcha_aisling

>>> Hmm, a tax credit would be nice.<<<

Yeah. If I hear one more teacher whine that she "only makes
$37,000". Grrrr. For a job where you're home by three, have
weekends off and a "year" is 36 weeks, $37,000 is decent money. In
my hometown, my high school was shut down (I was in the last
graduating class) because of lack of funds. The teachers were making
$60,000 and the average citizen was making about $20,000 when the
mill wasn't on strike (the mill is *always* on strike). The teachers
went on strike to try to force the parents to pass *another* levy for
more money and the parents said no.

Sorcha

Robyn Coburn

<<Yeah. If I hear one more teacher whine that she "only makes
$37,000". Grrrr. For a job where you're home by three, have
weekends off and a "year" is 36 weeks, $37,000 is decent money.>>





I would like to earn that much too, however I suspect the teachers
believe that the $37,000 is low in comparison to other "professionals"
who are degreed - doctors, lawyers. The idea is that to attract the
"best minds" to teaching it should have parity, and that there is a high
turnover and ratio of people leaving the profession. Unfortunately for
the teaching profession, the actual good results of homeschoolers, show
that the level of education on the part of the parents, is less
important than love, compassion, interest, commitment and time-spent
together. Nonetheless, if by some horrible circumstance my dd had to
attend school, I'd hope she had a new idealistic teacher still full of
compassion, interest, commitment and joy, who had yet to become jaded
and burnt out by the system.



Robyn Coburn










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In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:06:03 PM Central Standard Time,
sorcha-aisling@... writes:

> Yeah. If I hear one more teacher whine that she "only makes
> $37,000". Grrrr. For a job where you're home by three, have
> weekends off and a "year" is 36 weeks, $37,000 is decent money. In
> my hometown, my high school was shut down (I was in the last
> graduating class) because of lack of funds. The teachers were making
> $60,000 and the average citizen was making about $20,000 when the
> mill wasn't on strike (the mill is *always* on strike). The teachers
> went on strike to try to force the parents to pass *another* levy for
> more money and the parents said no.
>
> Sorcha
>
>
>
My niece has been teaching middle school for five years (Missouri) and I just
found out the other day that she makes $45,000/yr! I couldn't believe it!
I thought I hear a lot about teachers not being paid enough for the work they
do, etc, and they don't even have to work summers. Susan


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In a message dated 5/9/03 2:06:16 PM, sorcha-aisling@... writes:

<< For a job where you're home by three, have

weekends off and a "year" is 36 weeks, $37,000 is decent money. >>

In my experience, teachers have to be in at least half an hour before the
kids are there and stay half an hour to an hour after. They're never home by
three.

Except for the laziest teachers, there is always outside prep work and
grading.

For something that takes a college degree and for which they start
immediately pressing you to work on a master's (the required recertification
hours end up becoming a master's degree before long) the pay sucks.

Sandra

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In a message dated 5/9/03 4:59:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
imaginesjm@... writes:

> Yeah. If I hear one more teacher whine that she "only makes
> >$37,000". Grrrr. For a job where you're home by three, have
> >weekends off and a "year" is 36 weeks, $37,000 is decent money

PLUS great benefits! (sick days, insurance, 401K, holidays, on and on)

Teresa


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In a message dated 5/9/03 2:59:36 PM, imaginesjm@... writes:

<< I thought I hear a lot about teachers not being paid enough for the work
they
do, etc, and they don't even have to work summers. >>

They have to go to college some of those summers. Full time grad student
rates, and the school doesn't pay for that. Few other professions force
people to keep going to college. Lots of other kinds of companies will pay
for classes.

I made diddly when I taught. My first year was under $8,000, 1974/75. They
pressed to raise it all over the place.

Keith eventually, ten years of putzing, got through engineering and math
classes enough to graduate with a minor in theatre and started low in his
field at over $30,000. So what he has to go to work every day? He spends
half the day sitting by himself listening to music and surfing the internet,
answering his e-mail.

Being with 30 to 130 kids all day in a school is NOT easy, and for all that
my kids aren't there, if any of you think being a teacher is easy, go
substitute for a week or two and see if you'd do that for less that most
people make.

Sandra

Sandra

sorcha_aisling

>>>see if you'd do that for less that most
> people make.<<<

How much do "most people" make? Many, many people make far less than
teachers and many are in back-breaking jobs for twelve hours a day
year-round. Teaching is middle class. It's not poor.

Sorcha

[email protected]

No, I don't think being a teacher is easy. I'm sure it's difficult work. So
is being a nurse, which I was for 14 years and didn't get paid diddly. And I
have listened to many a special ed teacher complain about all of her
paperwork, believe me! Poor things. . .

Susan


In a message dated 5/9/2003 5:33:36 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> Being with 30 to 130 kids all day in a school is NOT easy, and for all that
> my kids aren't there, if any of you think being a teacher is easy, go
> substitute for a week or two and see if you'd do that for less that most
> people make.
>



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kayb85

My dad was making about 50,000 when he retired from teaching. Plus
he often got jobs during the summer on top of that. I can't remember
exactly how long it's been since he' retired, but it's been 5-10
years. I think 50,000 is awfully good money! We're living on less
than that now, with 3 kids, and surviving just fine.

Sheila

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/9/03 2:06:16 PM, sorcha-aisling@i... writes:
>
> << For a job where you're home by three, have
>
> weekends off and a "year" is 36 weeks, $37,000 is decent money. >>
>
> In my experience, teachers have to be in at least half an hour
before the
> kids are there and stay half an hour to an hour after. They're
never home by
> three.
>
> Except for the laziest teachers, there is always outside prep work
and
> grading.
>
> For something that takes a college degree and for which they start
> immediately pressing you to work on a master's (the required
recertification
> hours end up becoming a master's degree before long) the pay sucks.
>
> Sandra

sorcha_aisling

I was playing around on Google to see just where people are coming
from on the topic of income and I noticed that Albuquerque has an
average household income of $50,000 while my hometown has an average
household income of $26,000. So that's why Sandra thinks $37,000 is
less than most people make and I think it's not bad money! I moved
to Columbus because we were sick of being dirt poor and even in
Columbus the average household income is $40,000 which is still
considerably less than Albuquerque.

Sorcha

Stacey Bowen's New Email Account

My s-i-l is a middle school "reading specialist," who teaches three 50-minute classes
per day, 7th & 8th graders who are still struggling with reading......$63,000/yr...and
expecting a raise in the fall. We are in MD.

I must admit, I have never heard her complain about her salary...quite the opposite,
she creates every opportunity to throw it in during a conversation.

She offered me these wonderful words of support:

"I don't worry about your boys, because I know you have a good head on your shoulders,
and I am confident you will put them back in school before you get in over your head."
(I have a 12 yr old....so I'm guessing she'll be tossing me that life preserver soon).

I also got this one...

"Our county is hiring like crazy, you ought to think about going back to school
and getting into teaching. Haven't you always wanted to be a teacher?"

Welcome to my world of make believe... : )
Stacey


In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:06:03 PM Central Standard Time,
sorcha-aisling@... writes:

> Yeah. If I hear one more teacher whine that she "only makes
> $37,000". Grrrr.......
>
> Sorcha
>
>
My niece has been teaching middle school for five years (Missouri) and I just
found out the other day that she makes $45,000/yr! I couldn't believe it!
I thought I hear a lot about teachers not being paid enough for the work they
do, etc, and they don't even have to work summers. Susan


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Olga

That must be what me a DH call "teacher Talk". You know, they talk
to everyone in the same manner they talk to their students. The
sort, look down their nose, whatever are you thinking glare. My SIL
is so condescending has such a know it all manner that she turns most
of us off. What a shame for her and her poor husband <g>

Olga :)

--- In [email protected], "Stacey Bowen's New Email
Account" <staceybowen@a...> wrote:
> My s-i-l is a middle school "reading specialist," who teaches three
50-minute classes
> per day, 7th & 8th graders who are still struggling with
reading......$63,000/yr...and
> expecting a raise in the fall. We are in MD.
>
> I must admit, I have never heard her complain about her
salary...quite the opposite,
> she creates every opportunity to throw it in during a conversation.
>
> She offered me these wonderful words of support:
>
> "I don't worry about your boys, because I know you have a good head
on your shoulders,
> and I am confident you will put them back in school before you get
in over your head."
> (I have a 12 yr old....so I'm guessing she'll be tossing me that
life preserver soon).
>
> I also got this one...
>
> "Our county is hiring like crazy, you ought to think about going
back to school
> and getting into teaching. Haven't you always wanted to be a
teacher?"
>
> Welcome to my world of make believe... : )
> Stacey
>
>
> In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:06:03 PM Central Standard Time,
> sorcha-aisling@i... writes:
>
> > Yeah. If I hear one more teacher whine that she "only makes
> > $37,000". Grrrr.......
> >
> > Sorcha
> >
> >
> My niece has been teaching middle school for five years (Missouri)
and I just
> found out the other day that she makes $45,000/yr! I couldn't
believe it!
> I thought I hear a lot about teachers not being paid enough for the
work they
> do, etc, and they don't even have to work summers. Susan
>
>
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**That must be what me a DH call "teacher Talk". You know, they talk
to everyone in the same manner they talk to their students. The
sort, look down their nose, whatever are you thinking glare.**

I don't get the glare, but I have, in the past, accused my teacher mom
and my teacher grandma of talking and acting as if they were the only
adult in the room. I see how the habit could be developed.

Betsy

Stacey Bowen's New Email Account

Definitely "teacher talk." Although, many teachers I know do not engage in
this type of speak...s-i-l seems to have mastered it! I am typically left aghast
at her comments, not quite sure how to respond to her baited words...in front
of extended family.

Which can be good...it seems to throw her off when I don't respond, as if she was
hoping for a juicy argument.

Now that my oldest is 12, and capable of holding his own in a conversation...he's
doing an excellent job of demonstrating his home learning all by himself.
S-i-l's husband loves him...they sit and talk for hours when the family
gets together. He tells me what a pleasure it is to talk with my young man, and
how it's so fascinating to see the way he is absorbing so much info by focusing
on the things that interest him.

I don't even want to think about the trouble he is in when he gets home. : )

Stacey


----- Original Message -----
From: Olga
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:40 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: was Wasting your potential now imagine this!


That must be what me a DH call "teacher Talk". You know, they talk
to everyone in the same manner they talk to their students. The
sort, look down their nose, whatever are you thinking glare. My SIL
is so condescending has such a know it all manner that she turns most
of us off. What a shame for her and her poor husband <g>

Olga :)

--- In [email protected], "Stacey Bowen's New Email
Account" <staceybowen@a...> wrote:
> My s-i-l is a middle school "reading specialist," who teaches three
50-minute classes
> per day, 7th & 8th graders who are still struggling with
reading......$63,000/yr...and
> expecting a raise in the fall. We are in MD.
>
> I must admit, I have never heard her complain about her
salary...quite the opposite,
> she creates every opportunity to throw it in during a conversation.
>
> She offered me these wonderful words of support:
>
> "I don't worry about your boys, because I know you have a good head
on your shoulders,
> and I am confident you will put them back in school before you get
in over your head."
> (I have a 12 yr old....so I'm guessing she'll be tossing me that
life preserver soon).
>
> I also got this one...
>
> "Our county is hiring like crazy, you ought to think about going
back to school
> and getting into teaching. Haven't you always wanted to be a
teacher?"
>
> Welcome to my world of make believe... : )
> Stacey
>
>
> In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:06:03 PM Central Standard Time,
> sorcha-aisling@i... writes:
>
> > Yeah. If I hear one more teacher whine that she "only makes
> > $37,000". Grrrr.......
> >
> > Sorcha
> >
> >
> My niece has been teaching middle school for five years (Missouri)
and I just
> found out the other day that she makes $45,000/yr! I couldn't
believe it!
> I thought I hear a lot about teachers not being paid enough for the
work they
> do, etc, and they don't even have to work summers. Susan
>
>
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In a message dated 5/9/03 6:12:53 PM, sorcha-aisling@... writes:

<< I was playing around on Google to see just where people are coming

from on the topic of income and I noticed that Albuquerque has an

average household income of $50,000 while my hometown has an average

household income of $26,000. So that's why Sandra thinks $37,000 is

less than most people make and I think it's not bad money! I moved

to Columbus because we were sick of being dirt poor and even in

Columbus the average household income is $40,000 which is still

considerably less than Albuquerque.

>>

Oh! Thanks. Good.

The first town I ever heard of offering beginning teachers over $20,000 was
El Paso.
It's not that El Paso has a high average; it's that nobody wanted to live in
El Paso, so it was bonus pay. We were amazed, $20,000+ (I think it as
$24,000 starting, and I think it was early 80's and I have a bad memory for
numbers so I could be wrong.)

Sandra

coyote's corner

IMO - $63,000 is way too much!
Here in RI, the town of Lincoln - drowning in red ink, wanted to cancel the last two days of school. That would have saved the town well over something like $300,000 ( or was it $500,00?)
Anyway - the union said NO - they couldn't lose the income.

Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: Stacey Bowen's New Email Account
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: was Wasting your potential now imagine this!


My s-i-l is a middle school "reading specialist," who teaches three 50-minute classes
per day, 7th & 8th graders who are still struggling with reading......$63,000/yr...and
expecting a raise in the fall. We are in MD.

I must admit, I have never heard her complain about her salary...quite the opposite,
she creates every opportunity to throw it in during a conversation.

She offered me these wonderful words of support:

"I don't worry about your boys, because I know you have a good head on your shoulders,
and I am confident you will put them back in school before you get in over your head."
(I have a 12 yr old....so I'm guessing she'll be tossing me that life preserver soon).

I also got this one...

"Our county is hiring like crazy, you ought to think about going back to school
and getting into teaching. Haven't you always wanted to be a teacher?"

Welcome to my world of make believe... : )
Stacey


In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:06:03 PM Central Standard Time,
sorcha-aisling@... writes:

> Yeah. If I hear one more teacher whine that she "only makes
> $37,000". Grrrr.......
>
> Sorcha
>
>
My niece has been teaching middle school for five years (Missouri) and I just
found out the other day that she makes $45,000/yr! I couldn't believe it!
I thought I hear a lot about teachers not being paid enough for the work they
do, etc, and they don't even have to work summers. Susan


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