Re: Uh oh... I'm in trouble with my mom LOL
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You are probably not going to like my response, but I think it is wrong to
post a private email for the world to read. Does she know you are sharing
this online?
I am saying this because I did the same thing once. I posted a private email
debate about homeschooling, thinking someone could learn something from it.
Even though I changed the names to protect the innocent, I never had
permission to share someone's private thoughts on a public board. I had a big
DUH moment and had the posts pulled and apologized for my ignorance to the
readers. It's considered the worst kind of breech of netiquette to some
folks. Just something to consider.
Ang
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post a private email for the world to read. Does she know you are sharing
this online?
I am saying this because I did the same thing once. I posted a private email
debate about homeschooling, thinking someone could learn something from it.
Even though I changed the names to protect the innocent, I never had
permission to share someone's private thoughts on a public board. I had a big
DUH moment and had the posts pulled and apologized for my ignorance to the
readers. It's considered the worst kind of breech of netiquette to some
folks. Just something to consider.
Ang
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In a message dated 5/3/03 10:54:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, unolist@...
writes:
afterall, it was not TO me.. But, I'll admit, curiosity got me and I did read
it. I also have to say.. even though I do share your beliefs and concerns
about your sister, I thought your mother was very calm and reasonable in her
letter. I really didn't see anything "wrong" with how she responded, she
basically said that she wished you had discussed it with her first. I'm
sure its frustrating and difficult to see a situation happening that you feel
you could help with. But, I think the best thing you can do is be there for
your sister, as a sister.
Teresa
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writes:
> You are probably not going to like my response, but I think it is wrong toI agree. I thought about not reading your mother's email, because,
> post a private email for the world to read. Does she know you are sharing
> this online?
>
afterall, it was not TO me.. But, I'll admit, curiosity got me and I did read
it. I also have to say.. even though I do share your beliefs and concerns
about your sister, I thought your mother was very calm and reasonable in her
letter. I really didn't see anything "wrong" with how she responded, she
basically said that she wished you had discussed it with her first. I'm
sure its frustrating and difficult to see a situation happening that you feel
you could help with. But, I think the best thing you can do is be there for
your sister, as a sister.
Teresa
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In a message dated 5/3/03 8:23:14 AM, treegoddess@... writes:
<< My mom DID judge this book by the cover and was all PO'd because she
thought I was encouraging my sister to quit school.... and that's it.
She sent me an email (below) and then I called her to explain things
for her, but she's still not "convinced". >>
Your mom's note was pretty calm, actually! And if they read anything besides
enough to get irritated, she'll feel differently.
Even if your sister stays in high school, she no longer will feel that it is
the BE ALL your mom thinks it is, so she's been liberated in one way already.
A high school diploma squeaked by is as "valuable" as a 4.0 without being
valedictorian. If you can say "I was Valedictorian" you get double points,
but double a high school diploma still is not all that much.
Maybe you could tell your mom that your sister was crying out for help and so
you helped her directly instead of saying "Mother May I?"
And with that you might could say that if any of YOUR kids are ever obviously
crying out for religious education or express a fear for their eternal soul,
or complain that you never took them to church, that she should IMMEDIATELY
send them a Bible, instructional videos, missionaries at the door. No
problem.
Sandra
<< My mom DID judge this book by the cover and was all PO'd because she
thought I was encouraging my sister to quit school.... and that's it.
She sent me an email (below) and then I called her to explain things
for her, but she's still not "convinced". >>
Your mom's note was pretty calm, actually! And if they read anything besides
enough to get irritated, she'll feel differently.
Even if your sister stays in high school, she no longer will feel that it is
the BE ALL your mom thinks it is, so she's been liberated in one way already.
A high school diploma squeaked by is as "valuable" as a 4.0 without being
valedictorian. If you can say "I was Valedictorian" you get double points,
but double a high school diploma still is not all that much.
Maybe you could tell your mom that your sister was crying out for help and so
you helped her directly instead of saying "Mother May I?"
And with that you might could say that if any of YOUR kids are ever obviously
crying out for religious education or express a fear for their eternal soul,
or complain that you never took them to church, that she should IMMEDIATELY
send them a Bible, instructional videos, missionaries at the door. No
problem.
Sandra
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In a message dated 5/3/03 8:23:14 AM, treegoddess@... writes:
<< My mom is young (48) and didn't graduate because she got pregnant with
me. Getting a diploma is some sort of holy quest for her to "make" her
kids get. >>
OOOH! OOOH!
Did she ever get a GED or finish high school?
Two things:
Encourage her to do that. American correspondence school, maybe, or a GED.
If she says no, it's not important BINGO!!!!
If she says okay, then maybe still the problem dissipates. Maybe SHE wants
the diploma and is vicariously earning it through you and your sister.
Sandra
<< My mom is young (48) and didn't graduate because she got pregnant with
me. Getting a diploma is some sort of holy quest for her to "make" her
kids get. >>
OOOH! OOOH!
Did she ever get a GED or finish high school?
Two things:
Encourage her to do that. American correspondence school, maybe, or a GED.
If she says no, it's not important BINGO!!!!
If she says okay, then maybe still the problem dissipates. Maybe SHE wants
the diploma and is vicariously earning it through you and your sister.
Sandra
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In a message dated 5/3/03 8:54:51 AM, unolist@... writes:
<< It's considered the worst kind of breech of netiquette to some
folks. Just something to consider. >>
I think when people send something to me privately that I own the piece of
paper or the e-mail they sent.
If not, what if someone sends you a death threat? Are you breaking
confidence to tell the police?
We're in a learning situation here and everyone's here voluntarily. If we
share real lives, not hypothetical lives, there are real parts of real lives.
Sandra
<< It's considered the worst kind of breech of netiquette to some
folks. Just something to consider. >>
I think when people send something to me privately that I own the piece of
paper or the e-mail they sent.
If not, what if someone sends you a death threat? Are you breaking
confidence to tell the police?
We're in a learning situation here and everyone's here voluntarily. If we
share real lives, not hypothetical lives, there are real parts of real lives.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
> << It's considered the worst kind of breech of netiquette to someTechnically, even with email, the writer owns the copyright to it.
> folks. Just something to consider. >>
>
> I think when people send something to me privately that I own the piece of
> paper or the e-mail they sent.
>When you get into something illegal, like a death threat, then you're into
> If not, what if someone sends you a death threat? Are you breaking
> confidence to tell the police?
different territory.
I don't think I'd want someone sharing a private email I wrote to them
without asking me, though.
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
Have a Nice Day!
For what its worth, I have to disagree with this.
Just because someone emails me something, does not make it my place to share it with others, even if its related to part of my own story. Even if I can adequately protect their privacy, I would still want to have their permission to share what they wrote to me. I'd like that same courtesy in return.
And I don't think a private email between family members can be compared to a death threat which is a crime.
Kristen
Just because someone emails me something, does not make it my place to share it with others, even if its related to part of my own story. Even if I can adequately protect their privacy, I would still want to have their permission to share what they wrote to me. I'd like that same courtesy in return.
And I don't think a private email between family members can be compared to a death threat which is a crime.
Kristen
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In a message dated 5/3/03 8:54:51 AM, unolist@... writes:
<< It's considered the worst kind of breech of netiquette to some
folks. Just something to consider. >>
I think when people send something to me privately that I own the piece of
paper or the e-mail they sent.
If not, what if someone sends you a death threat? Are you breaking
confidence to tell the police?
We're in a learning situation here and everyone's here voluntarily. If we
share real lives, not hypothetical lives, there are real parts of real lives.
Sandra
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In a message dated 5/3/03 12:33:38 PM, leschke@... writes:
<< > I think when people send something to me privately that I own the piece
of
it in and put it on my website, what's the difference?
<<I don't think I'd want someone sharing a private email I wrote to them
without asking me, though.>>
Depends what it's about, for me. I've spent a lifetime writing things that
were of potential usefulness to other people, being an officer of one club or
another, writing about technical and philosophical stuff. I've lived a
primarily non-fiction life. <G> And I've often been public in one way or
another, so I just figured out a long time ago not to write things I wasn't
willing to live with seeing in the daylight.
I've shared some of my kids' writings here (short bits) and at a writing
workshop Richard Prystowski and I did together. I wouldn't have shared
something personal or emotional, but a bit of a role playing game or an IM
left on my computer about Canada having prime ministers, that's not likely to
harm them and IS likely to help other people.
Sandra
Sandra
<< > I think when people send something to me privately that I own the piece
of
> paper or the e-mail they sent.Technically, even with email, the writer owns the copyright to it.
> >>If I frame my David Bowie letter on the wall, that's no big deal. If I scan
it in and put it on my website, what's the difference?
<<I don't think I'd want someone sharing a private email I wrote to them
without asking me, though.>>
Depends what it's about, for me. I've spent a lifetime writing things that
were of potential usefulness to other people, being an officer of one club or
another, writing about technical and philosophical stuff. I've lived a
primarily non-fiction life. <G> And I've often been public in one way or
another, so I just figured out a long time ago not to write things I wasn't
willing to live with seeing in the daylight.
I've shared some of my kids' writings here (short bits) and at a writing
workshop Richard Prystowski and I did together. I wouldn't have shared
something personal or emotional, but a bit of a role playing game or an IM
left on my computer about Canada having prime ministers, that's not likely to
harm them and IS likely to help other people.
Sandra
Sandra
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In a message dated 5/3/2003 9:23:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
treegoddess@... writes:
her, too. When she started giving me grief about homeschooling, I just used
her non-diploma status against her. I pointed out all the things she's done
and the successes she's had and the things she's learned, ALL without a
diploma!
She eventually got it.
Tuck
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treegoddess@... writes:
> My mom is young (48) and didn't graduate because she got pregnant withMy mom quit school in 8th grade and a diploma was always the holy grail for
> me. Getting a diploma is some sort of holy quest for her to "make" her
> kids get. I tried telling her that I've never once had to "use" my
> diploma to get a job or to enroll in classes at local community
> colleges. I also pointed out that my sister legally has the right to
> quit school in a few months when she turns 16 whether my mom wants to
> homeschool her or not. "She won't!", was my mom's threat. "You can't
> stop her", was my reply.
>
her, too. When she started giving me grief about homeschooling, I just used
her non-diploma status against her. I pointed out all the things she's done
and the successes she's had and the things she's learned, ALL without a
diploma!
She eventually got it.
Tuck
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In a message dated 5/3/2003 9:23:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
treegoddess@... writes:
and education"?
Tuck
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treegoddess@... writes:
> You didn't tell me it was a book on "HowAnd didn't she read the rest of the subtitle that said "and get a real life
> to Quit school"
and education"?
Tuck
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In a message dated 5/3/03 2:57:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tuckervill@... writes:
when he could drive. He was probably 16 in the 8th grade. Anyway, he is
now successful tree farmer. His net worth is over 2 million dollars. I have
tried the " but look at you and how you turned out" argument with him to no
avail. His stand is that YES, he is successful.. YES, he did "make it" ..
But, its been very diffcult, hard work. Long hours, lots of headaches, and
basically eeking his way up the ladder to make something for himself ( and
his family) He does not want to see his children ( well, we are already
grown) or his grandchildren have to struggle and work as hard as he did. He
thinks that having a good education ( ie, College degree) will make it much
easier for the kids to find a good job and make a good living. I've told
him they can still go to college if they want to, but thats hard for him to
understand. I can only take a "well, just wait and see" attitude with the
whole situation. I know his concerns are out of love and fear that my kids
will be missing something in school. In reality, I think he IS the perfect
example of someone who was not "schooled" and has a happy, successful life.
Teresa
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tuckervill@... writes:
> My mom quit school in 8th gradeMy dad barely made it to the 8th grade.. He said that he just quite school
when he could drive. He was probably 16 in the 8th grade. Anyway, he is
now successful tree farmer. His net worth is over 2 million dollars. I have
tried the " but look at you and how you turned out" argument with him to no
avail. His stand is that YES, he is successful.. YES, he did "make it" ..
But, its been very diffcult, hard work. Long hours, lots of headaches, and
basically eeking his way up the ladder to make something for himself ( and
his family) He does not want to see his children ( well, we are already
grown) or his grandchildren have to struggle and work as hard as he did. He
thinks that having a good education ( ie, College degree) will make it much
easier for the kids to find a good job and make a good living. I've told
him they can still go to college if they want to, but thats hard for him to
understand. I can only take a "well, just wait and see" attitude with the
whole situation. I know his concerns are out of love and fear that my kids
will be missing something in school. In reality, I think he IS the perfect
example of someone who was not "schooled" and has a happy, successful life.
Teresa
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Tia Leschke
>scan
> Technically, even with email, the writer owns the copyright to it.
>
> > >>
>
> If I frame my David Bowie letter on the wall, that's no big deal. If I
> it in and put it on my website, what's the difference?In the first case, it's a private use. In the second case, you're
publishing it.
>that
> <<I don't think I'd want someone sharing a private email I wrote to them
>
> without asking me, though.>>
>
> Depends what it's about, for me. I've spent a lifetime writing things
> were of potential usefulness to other people, being an officer of one clubor
> another, writing about technical and philosophical stuff. I've lived awasn't
> primarily non-fiction life. <G> And I've often been public in one way or
> another, so I just figured out a long time ago not to write things I
> willing to live with seeing in the daylight.But what was shared *was* quite private, a family matter. The person
wouldn't have written it in the same frame of mind that you write.
>to
> I've shared some of my kids' writings here (short bits) and at a writing
> workshop Richard Prystowski and I did together. I wouldn't have shared
> something personal or emotional, but a bit of a role playing game or an IM
> left on my computer about Canada having prime ministers, that's not likely
> harm them and IS likely to help other people.No problem with that, but would you do it if they objected?
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
Tia Leschke
He does not want to see his children ( well, we are already
flipping burgers trying to pay off their student loans. <g>
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
> grown) or his grandchildren have to struggle and work as hard as he did.He
> thinks that having a good education ( ie, College degree) will make itmuch
> easier for the kids to find a good job and make a good living.Maybe ask him how it's working out for all those college grads who are
flipping burgers trying to pay off their student loans. <g>
Tia
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...
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In a message dated 5/3/03 3:32:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, leschke@...
writes:
Thanks
Teresa
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writes:
> Maybe ask him how it's working out for all those college grads who areEXCELLENT POINT!
> flipping burgers trying to pay off their student loans. <g>
> Tia
>
Thanks
Teresa
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unolist
>piece of
> I think when people send something to me privately that I own the
> paper or the e-mail they sent.voluntarily. If we
>
> If not, what if someone sends you a death threat? Are you breaking
> confidence to tell the police?
>
> We're in a learning situation here and everyone's here
> share real lives, not hypothetical lives, there are real parts ofreal lives.
>It's a tricky thing, ya know? I guess depending on the outcome, do
> Sandra
what you feel is best. I would definately notify the police of a
threat or anything illegal, or even report terms of service
violations on AOL.
But would I want someone to share something with a bunch of strangers
that I wrote to that one person? I did do that once as I explained,
and felt horrible after I thought how it could have hurt the person,
if they would have felt i betrayed their trust.
On the flip side, I try to never write anything online private email
or public that I wouldn't want anyone else to see. Or say anything I
wouldn't want repeated. You just never know.
Ang, who has been burned by unsupportive family and may be
oversensitive :0)
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SO TRUE!
In a message dated 5/4/2003 7:46:40 AM Central Standard Time,
treegoddess@... writes:
In a message dated 5/4/2003 7:46:40 AM Central Standard Time,
treegoddess@... writes:
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> that "school" does not equal "education" or "learning".
>