mabeitzel

Hello
I wanted to post on somethng that has been nagging at me for days.
I'd like to hear others' opinions. I recently had a friend pull her
son out of school to homeschool. She (mom)has always been self
conscious about her level of 'intelligence'...low self esteem
basically. Nevertheless, she is going to college just as I am and
all the while homeschooling. She had a neighbor get quite absurd
with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of
school and made the comment that "That should not be allowed...only
people with college degrees should be allowed to teach children."
Now I was not there, so I cannot say word for word what happened or
how it was perceived, but how would you respond? I do not have a
college degree yet as it has taken 10 + years to get to three years
of college done and who knows when I will be done, but...I have yet
to find anything (in that college education)that has enabled me to
learn with my children better. Nevertheless, how infuriating!
Michelle B.

marji

Hi.

I think I might ask them to show me the data demonstrating that children of
people with college degrees are better learners than children of people
without college degrees. Then, I suppose I would provide them with a list
of references so that they could better inform themselves about home-based
learning. I would invite them to contact me when they have felt they have
digested that information, and I would be available for discussion on the
subject, if they would like.

Absurd is right! But, definitely misinformed!

Marji

At 11:09 5/1/03 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello
>I wanted to post on somethng that has been nagging at me for days.
>I'd like to hear others' opinions. I recently had a friend pull her
>son out of school to homeschool. She (mom)has always been self
>conscious about her level of 'intelligence'...low self esteem
>basically. Nevertheless, she is going to college just as I am and
>all the while homeschooling. She had a neighbor get quite absurd
>with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of
>school and made the comment that "That should not be allowed...only
>people with college degrees should be allowed to teach children."
>Now I was not there, so I cannot say word for word what happened or
>how it was perceived, but how would you respond? I do not have a
>college degree yet as it has taken 10 + years to get to three years
>of college done and who knows when I will be done, but...I have yet
>to find anything (in that college education)that has enabled me to
>learn with my children better. Nevertheless, how infuriating!
>Michelle B.



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mabeitzel

Thanks Marji for your response...yes I think it would be pointless
to debate the issue until they were more informed and even then we
may still get nowhere. I just felt for my friend...it was a
difficult decision for her and then to hear that.
Michelle B.


--- In [email protected], marji <marji@g...> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I think I might ask them to show me the data demonstrating that
children of
> people with college degrees are better learners than children of
people
> without college degrees. Then, I suppose I would provide them
with a list
> of references so that they could better inform themselves about
home-based
> learning. I would invite them to contact me when they have felt
they have
> digested that information, and I would be available for discussion
on the
> subject, if they would like.
>
> Absurd is right! But, definitely misinformed!
>
> Marji
>
> At 11:09 5/1/03 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hello
> >I wanted to post on somethng that has been nagging at me for days.
> >I'd like to hear others' opinions. I recently had a friend pull
her
> >son out of school to homeschool. She (mom)has always been self
> >conscious about her level of 'intelligence'...low self esteem
> >basically. Nevertheless, she is going to college just as I am and
> >all the while homeschooling. She had a neighbor get quite absurd
> >with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of
> >school and made the comment that "That should not be
allowed...only
> >people with college degrees should be allowed to teach children."
> >Now I was not there, so I cannot say word for word what happened
or
> >how it was perceived, but how would you respond? I do not have a
> >college degree yet as it has taken 10 + years to get to three
years
> >of college done and who knows when I will be done, but...I have
yet
> >to find anything (in that college education)that has enabled me to
> >learn with my children better. Nevertheless, how infuriating!
> >Michelle B.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[email protected]

In a message dated 5/1/2003 7:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mabeitzel@... writes:
> She had a neighbor get quite absurd
> with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of
> school and made the comment that "That should not be allowed...only
> people with college degrees should be allowed to teach children."
> Now I was not there, so I cannot say word for word what happened or
> how it was perceived, but how would you respond? I do not have a
> college degree yet as it has taken 10 + years to get to three years
> of college done and who knows when I will be done, but...I have yet
> to find anything (in that college education)that has enabled me to
> learn with my children better. Nevertheless, how infuriating!

I don't have a college degree---and I doubt I ever will. I'm a "second
semester sophmore" althought I spent 12 semesters in college. (I played---and
changed schools a LOT.) Hasn't stopped me! <g>

And I know plenty of "degreed" folks who could/would no sooner do this than
slop a pig!

SC law states that the "teaching" parent must have a high school diploma or
equivalent. :-P~~~~~~

"Degrees" don't make (or prove) you smart, competent, or necessarily
marketable. They certainly don't make you a candidate for unschooling.

Tell her to have a good time with her kids!
~Kelly


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Tim and Maureen

I have two degrees, neither of which has ANYTHING to do with children, English Lit and a Masters in Public Admin. If I taught "with" those degrees, the kids would be bored stupid (pun??). Idolizing degreed people is a crock of s**t. I see it in business too. "Oh, you must be smart, you have a degree. Gush, gush." Actually my degree is testament to the fact that I can get up and go to class (hard one that), put up with and memorize the prof's opinions (able to suppress gag reflex), repeat them on a test and fund the whole thing with summer jobs and loans.

To find a smart person, look for people who challenge the status quo. They think, rather than follow! They love and learn, rather than watch TV 55 hours/week.

Tim Thomas

----- Original Message -----
From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] something nagging


In a message dated 5/1/2003 7:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mabeitzel@... writes:
> She had a neighbor get quite absurd
> with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of
> school and made the comment that "That should not be allowed...only
> people with college degrees should be allowed to teach children."
> Now I was not there, so I cannot say word for word what happened or
> how it was perceived, but how would you respond? I do not have a
> college degree yet as it has taken 10 + years to get to three years
> of college done and who knows when I will be done, but...I have yet
> to find anything (in that college education)that has enabled me to
> learn with my children better. Nevertheless, how infuriating!

I don't have a college degree---and I doubt I ever will. I'm a "second
semester sophmore" althought I spent 12 semesters in college. (I played---and
changed schools a LOT.) Hasn't stopped me! <g>

And I know plenty of "degreed" folks who could/would no sooner do this than
slop a pig!

SC law states that the "teaching" parent must have a high school diploma or
equivalent. :-P~~~~~~

"Degrees" don't make (or prove) you smart, competent, or necessarily
marketable. They certainly don't make you a candidate for unschooling.

Tell her to have a good time with her kids!
~Kelly


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mabeitzel

Yep yep...I agree and will certainly relay the supportive comments
to my friend. It is a very skewed view to believe the four year
degree this person holds makes them more qualified or any other for
that matter above the (willing) parent. This person has yet to
experience 'school' as her child is a toddler. I imagine at some
point in her child's schooling years...someone whom she deems
qualified to teach her child will fall off the pedistol and then
homeschooling may enter her mind if only for a moment and that is
enough for me :) Thanks
Michelle B.


--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/1/2003 7:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mabeitzel@y... writes:
> > She had a neighbor get quite absurd
> > with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of
> > school and made the comment that "That should not be
allowed...only
> > people with college degrees should be allowed to teach
children."
> > Now I was not there, so I cannot say word for word what happened
or
> > how it was perceived, but how would you respond? I do not have
a
> > college degree yet as it has taken 10 + years to get to three
years
> > of college done and who knows when I will be done, but...I have
yet
> > to find anything (in that college education)that has enabled me
to
> > learn with my children better. Nevertheless, how infuriating!
>
> I don't have a college degree---and I doubt I ever will. I'm
a "second
> semester sophmore" althought I spent 12 semesters in college. (I
played---and
> changed schools a LOT.) Hasn't stopped me! <g>
>
> And I know plenty of "degreed" folks who could/would no sooner do
this than
> slop a pig!
>
> SC law states that the "teaching" parent must have a high school
diploma or
> equivalent. :-P~~~~~~
>
> "Degrees" don't make (or prove) you smart, competent, or
necessarily
> marketable. They certainly don't make you a candidate for
unschooling.
>
> Tell her to have a good time with her kids!
> ~Kelly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

mabeitzel

ROTF,
Tim...you've made some very vivid points! And I thank you for
that. In my view, college does not teach you anything at all in
regards to learning with children...that comes when and only when
you take the time to experience it. We all know the truth about the
great and powerful Oz...thanks for the posts...this allows me to
think out loud and perhaps offer some helpful thoughts to my friend.
Michelle B.


--- In [email protected], Tim and Maureen
<tmthomas@s...> wrote:
> I have two degrees, neither of which has ANYTHING to do with
children, English Lit and a Masters in Public Admin. If I
taught "with" those degrees, the kids would be bored stupid
(pun??). Idolizing degreed people is a crock of s**t. I see it in
business too. "Oh, you must be smart, you have a degree. Gush,
gush." Actually my degree is testament to the fact that I can get
up and go to class (hard one that), put up with and memorize the
prof's opinions (able to suppress gag reflex), repeat them on a test
and fund the whole thing with summer jobs and loans.
>
> To find a smart person, look for people who challenge the status
quo. They think, rather than follow! They love and learn, rather
than watch TV 55 hours/week.
>
> Tim Thomas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kbcdlovejo@a...
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] something nagging
>
>
> In a message dated 5/1/2003 7:11:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mabeitzel@y... writes:
> > She had a neighbor get quite absurd
> > with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of
> > school and made the comment that "That should not be
allowed...only
> > people with college degrees should be allowed to teach
children."
> > Now I was not there, so I cannot say word for word what
happened or
> > how it was perceived, but how would you respond? I do not
have a
> > college degree yet as it has taken 10 + years to get to three
years
> > of college done and who knows when I will be done, but...I
have yet
> > to find anything (in that college education)that has enabled
me to
> > learn with my children better. Nevertheless, how
infuriating!
>
> I don't have a college degree---and I doubt I ever will. I'm
a "second
> semester sophmore" althought I spent 12 semesters in college. (I
played---and
> changed schools a LOT.) Hasn't stopped me! <g>
>
> And I know plenty of "degreed" folks who could/would no sooner
do this than
> slop a pig!
>
> SC law states that the "teaching" parent must have a high school
diploma or
> equivalent. :-P~~~~~~
>
> "Degrees" don't make (or prove) you smart, competent, or
necessarily
> marketable. They certainly don't make you a candidate for
unschooling.
>
> Tell her to have a good time with her kids!
> ~Kelly
>
>
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In a message dated 5/1/03 5:11:05 AM, mabeitzel@... writes:

<< She had a neighbor get quite absurd

with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of

school and made the comment that "That should not be allowed...only

people with college degrees should be allowed to teach children." >>

I'd just blow it by.
A college degree doesn't teach people to teach children. Not even a degree
in education, really. It can help people who already have the talent, desire
and inclination to hone their natural ability and proclivity to teach. Some
people are just good teachers. But a PhD in education wouldn't give someone
a single CLUE how to interact with another individual human if the PhD-person
had no interpersonal talent, no awareness of how to read whether the
"student" was getting what was being presented, and so forth. There are
some very, very bad, clueless professional teachers. And some very good
teachers who never finished high school, but can explain clearly and simply
how to do/make/be something, and customize the message for individual
recipients.

And then there's unschooling! <g>
But there's no sense discussing that with any hostile neighbors.

Sandra

regina hogan

personally,i would tell the lady ,well thanks for your opion.i respect the fact every one have their own opion and that mine is not the same as hers,,i know my kids better than anyone as a mom should and does so i will be the one making the choice not to keep them in public school,and then say so if you can not respect my opion and choices as the mother then i i would appreciate that she nolonger give me her opions if the was gonna be done in a ugly way.and if she could not agree to be respectfull and nice about it then i would tell her not to come around me or my kids again.

mabeitzel <mabeitzel@...> wrote:Hello
I wanted to post on somethng that has been nagging at me for days.
I'd like to hear others' opinions. I recently had a friend pull her
son out of school to homeschool. She (mom)has always been self
conscious about her level of 'intelligence'...low self esteem
basically. Nevertheless, she is going to college just as I am and
all the while homeschooling. She had a neighbor get quite absurd
with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of
school and made the comment that "That should not be allowed...only
people with college degrees should be allowed to teach children."
Now I was not there, so I cannot say word for word what happened or
how it was perceived, but how would you respond? I do not have a
college degree yet as it has taken 10 + years to get to three years
of college done and who knows when I will be done, but...I have yet
to find anything (in that college education)that has enabled me to
learn with my children better. Nevertheless, how infuriating!
Michelle B.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "marji" <marji@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] something nagging


> Hi.
>
> I think I might ask them to show me the data demonstrating that children
of
> people with college degrees are better learners than children of people
> without college degrees. Then, I suppose I would provide them with a list
> of references so that they could better inform themselves about home-based
> learning. I would invite them to contact me when they have felt they have
> digested that information, and I would be available for discussion on the
> subject, if they would like.
>
> Absurd is right! But, definitely misinformed!
>
> Marji
>
> At 11:09 5/1/03 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hello
> >I wanted to post on somethng that has been nagging at me for days.
> >I'd like to hear others' opinions. I recently had a friend pull her
> >son out of school to homeschool. She (mom)has always been self
> >conscious about her level of 'intelligence'...low self esteem
> >basically. Nevertheless, she is going to college just as I am and
> >all the while homeschooling. She had a neighbor get quite absurd
> >with her when she found out that she had pulled her son out of
> >school and made the comment that "That should not be allowed...only
> >people with college degrees should be allowed to teach children."
> >Now I was not there, so I cannot say word for word what happened or
> >how it was perceived, but how would you respond? I do not have a
> >college degree yet as it has taken 10 + years to get to three years
> >of college done and who knows when I will be done, but...I have yet
> >to find anything (in that college education)that has enabled me to
> >learn with my children better. Nevertheless, how infuriating!
> >Michelle B.
>
>
>
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Wouldn't you also benifit by learning what you are teaching your children.
If I don't know about something by children are intrested in or should know
at their age I will research it and find out as much as I can about it. It
is impossible to know everything about what intrests them anyway. So whats a
degrree about something neither you or they are intrested in going to help.

Tia Leschke

> Wouldn't you also benifit by learning what you are teaching your children.
> If I don't know about something by children are intrested in or should
know
> at their age I will research it and find out as much as I can about it.

*Is* there anything that children should know at a certain age?
Tia

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