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In a message dated 4/29/03 2:00:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<<
just thought someone here might be able to recommend a place to start
for an adult wanting to learn about arthurian legend. i read The
Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley and really liked it... more
for its beautiful vision of goddess culture and its writing. it was
also very easy to get lost in the story. >>

Well, The Mists of Avalon was made into a movie.
Not an astoundingly well made one, but fun to watch anyway. Some cool scenes
and costuming. Lots of the Pagan rituals, which were very educational for me!

What was that movie with Richard Gere? Knights of the Round Table? Can't
remember.
Or maybe it was just Camelot. Something along those lines. I'll look it up if
someone doesn't beat me to it.


Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear

mabeitzel

Was that movie "First Knight?" with Richard Gere and Sean Connery?
Michelle

Jana Eagle

starsuncloud@... writes:

> Well, The Mists of Avalon was made into a movie. Not an
> astoundingly well made one, but fun to watch anyway. Some cool
> scenes and costuming. Lots of the Pagan rituals, which were very
> educational for me!
>
> What was that movie with Richard Gere? Knights of the Round Table?
> Can't remember. Or maybe it was just Camelot. Something along those
> lines. I'll look it up if someone doesn't beat me to it.


It's called Mists of Avalon, I found it at my library and saw it a
couple of weeks ago. The book was much better, but still I agree it
had some cool costumes and hair styles!

Jana

Art Nouveau

And I'd like to have a blue crescent tatooed over my third eye! Well, at
least made with something washable!

Cerridwen )O(





>From: Jana Eagle <jana@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Arthurian legend
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 08:44:14 -0600
>
>starsuncloud@... writes:
>
> > Well, The Mists of Avalon was made into a movie. Not an
> > astoundingly well made one, but fun to watch anyway. Some cool
> > scenes and costuming. Lots of the Pagan rituals, which were very
> > educational for me!
> >
> > What was that movie with Richard Gere? Knights of the Round Table?
> > Can't remember. Or maybe it was just Camelot. Something along those
> > lines. I'll look it up if someone doesn't beat me to it.
>
>
>It's called Mists of Avalon, I found it at my library and saw it a
>couple of weeks ago. The book was much better, but still I agree it
>had some cool costumes and hair styles!
>
>Jana


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> It's called Mists of Avalon, I found it at my library and saw it a
> couple of weeks ago. The book was much better<<<

I love the book and reread it probably once a year. But the movie
was so astoundingly bad (I know I have the minority opinion here).
The only thing it had going for it was Joan Allen as Morgause. And
to not even have the second Merlin or Nimue *at all* was
inexplicable. They are key players in how the story turns out.

I loved the Sam Neill movie (my video tape of it finally wore out),
but I didn't like the way they portrayed Morgan le Fay in that one.
It was almost like Queen Mab was the Morgan le Fay character and
Morgan was superfluous. I did love Mab though! (But why one earth
was she even in it???)

I'd like to see a balanced Arthurian legend. One where neither side
is portrayed as explicitly "good" or "bad", "right" or "wrong".
Where Merlin and Morgan are co-protagonists and the circumstances are
the antagonists. And I'd like an Arthur who isn't a wuss (Sean
Connery was a decent Arthur but way too old).

For some reason, my favorite character is always Mordred. Poor kid.
He's not the bad guy; he's an abused and neglected child!

Sorcha

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In a message dated 4/30/03 9:51:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< It's called Mists of Avalon, I found it at my library and saw it a
couple of weeks ago. The book was much better, but still I agree it
had some cool costumes and hair styles! >>

Mists of Avalon was made with Richard Gere?
I don't think so!

I knew about Mists of Avalon...I was wondering about the name of the movie
that Richard Gere was in. I think someone posted it, First Knight was the
name.

Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear

[email protected]

In a message dated 4/30/03 1:35:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< I love the book and reread it probably once a year. But the movie
was so astoundingly bad (I know I have the minority opinion here).
The only thing it had going for it was Joan Allen as Morgause. And
to not even have the second Merlin or Nimue *at all* was
inexplicable. They are key players in how the story turns out. >>

I agree with you.
I didn't want to trash the movie, because I still think it's fun to watch if
your expectations aren't too high.
Pity too...it could have been a GREAT film.
Poor character development and too much focus on the Priestess/rituals aspect
(although educational for me) left it an overall poorly developed movie.
It's too bad. I'd still recommend it for someone fascinated with that time
period/legend.

Ren
"They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a runcible
spoon;
And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the light of the
moon."
--The Owl and the Pussycat
Edward Lear

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In a message dated 4/30/03 11:54:43 AM, sorcha-aisling@... writes:

<< I'd like to see a balanced Arthurian legend. One where neither side

is portrayed as explicitly "good" or "bad", "right" or "wrong". >>

It's kind of hard to have a legendary hero who's not good and right.
Stories without good and evil don't last. This one has lasted a long time.

Political correctness applied to things it shouldn't be applied to make for
dishonesty.

Sandra

sorcha_aisling

>>> It's kind of hard to have a legendary hero who's not good and
right.<<<

People aren't "good" or "evil". Many stories have a hero who isn't
good or evil. Scarlett O'Hara isn't good or evil. That's why her
story is powerful.


>>> Political correctness applied to things it shouldn't be applied
to make for
> dishonesty.<<<

Gag. Political correctness?? That's not my idea at all. I'm
picturing a story with powerful, fully human characters. Not "good
guys" and "bad guys". I think a movie version would be more powerful
if the characters were fuller and less "good" and "evil".

Anyway, it's not a true story, so it doesn't have to be told the way
it "actually happened".

Sorcha

sorcha_aisling

Arthur is the character who's "good" and "right". That's why he's so
much more boring than, say, Lancelot, who is fully human.

Sorcha

[email protected]

In a message dated 4/30/03 3:51:40 PM, sorcha-aisling@... writes:

<< Anyway, it's not a true story, so it doesn't have to be told the way

it "actually happened". >>

Even true stories are rarely told the way they actually happened.
And it doesn't "have" to be told at all.

But the original question wasn't about more fantasy versions of an existing
medieval story. At least I didn't think it was.

Sandra

Heidi

--- In [email protected], "Art Nouveau"
<Inanna1957@h...> wrote:
> And I'd like to have a blue crescent tatooed over my third eye!
Well, at
> least made with something washable!
>
> Cerridwen )O(
>
Tell me about your name: Cerridwen. Sounds Celtic or Welsh. My
daughter loves all things Celtic, Gaelic, or Welsh! L I used to call
her an Anglophile, until she informed me that she doesn't really love
anyone who subdued the Irish so fiercely as they were subdued by the
English.

sorcha_aisling

Cerrridwen is Welsh (I'm not her, but I know a lot about the name).
It means "white poetry" or better translated, "bright inspiration".
Someone (Robert Graves?) mistranslated it as "white sow" and some
people are under the mistaken impression that she was a pig! She
wasn't. She's a character from the Mabinoginon, who has a cauldron
of inspiration.

Sorcha (also Celtic sounding name)

mabeitzel

Yes, First Knight...I watched it not that long ago. It does of good
job of portraying the anguish between the love of Lancelot, Arthur &
Guinevere (sp?).
Michelle B.


--- In [email protected], starsuncloud@c... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/30/03 9:51:21 AM Central Daylight Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> << It's called Mists of Avalon, I found it at my library and saw
it a
> couple of weeks ago. The book was much better, but still I agree
it
> had some cool costumes and hair styles! >>
>
> Mists of Avalon was made with Richard Gere?
> I don't think so!
>
> I knew about Mists of Avalon...I was wondering about the name of
the movie
> that Richard Gere was in. I think someone posted it, First Knight
was the
> name.
>
> Ren
> "They dined on mince, and slices of quince, Which they ate with a
runcible
> spoon;
> And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand, they danced by the
light of the
> moon."
> --The Owl and the
Pussycat
> Edward Lear

Heidi

--- In [email protected], "sorcha_aisling" <sorcha-
aisling@i...> wrote:
> Cerrridwen is Welsh (I'm not her, but I know a lot about the
name).
> It means "white poetry" or better translated, "bright
inspiration".
> Someone (Robert Graves?) mistranslated it as "white sow" and some
> people are under the mistaken impression that she was a pig! She
> wasn't. She's a character from the Mabinoginon, who has a cauldron
> of inspiration.
>
Oh! what was the pig's name in The Book of Three? Cauldron, seer pig,
etc,

> Sorcha (also Celtic sounding name)

Heidi (german sounding name! L)

Shyrley

Heidi wrote:

> --- In [email protected], "Art Nouveau"
> <Inanna1957@h...> wrote:
> > And I'd like to have a blue crescent tatooed over my third eye!
> Well, at
> > least made with something washable!
> >
> > Cerridwen )O(
> >
> Tell me about your name: Cerridwen. Sounds Celtic or Welsh. My
> daughter loves all things Celtic, Gaelic, or Welsh! L I used to call
> her an Anglophile, until she informed me that she doesn't really love
> anyone who subdued the Irish so fiercely as they were subdued by the
> English.
>

Guess she dunt like the Scots then either. Mind you, the Irish, English, Cornish n Welsh fight like abag of ferrets :-)
As for the C word.....

Shyrley


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Heidi

> > > Cerridwen )O(
> > >
> > Tell me about your name: Cerridwen. Sounds Celtic or Welsh. My
> > daughter loves all things Celtic, Gaelic, or Welsh! L I used to
call
> > her an Anglophile, until she informed me that she doesn't really
love
> > anyone who subdued the Irish so fiercely as they were subdued by
the
> > English.
> >
>
> Guess she dunt like the Scots then either. Mind you, the Irish,
English, Cornish n Welsh fight like abag of ferrets :-)
> As for the C word.....

Yeah, I do believe the Irish were often "enscripted" into armies,
because they fought like wild men, weren't they?

HeidiC who is 1/4 Irish

[email protected]

In a message dated 4-30-2003 3:52:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
sorcha-aisling@... writes:

> Scarlett O'Hara isn't good or evil. That's why her
> story is powerful.
>

Gone with the Wind is a great movie, but it's another example of a poor
adaptation of an amazing book ~ I read first then saw the movie, at <gasp> 25
~ I was sooooo sad!

diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
“I'm just a human being trying to make it in a world that is very rapidly
losing it's understanding of being human" John Trudell


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[email protected]

In a message dated 5/1/03 12:13:46 AM, HaHaMommy@... writes:

<< Gone with the Wind is a great movie, but it's another example of a poor

adaptation of an amazing book ~ I read first then saw the movie, at <gasp> 25

~ I was sooooo sad! >>

I watched it for the first time last summer, and wasn't impressed. No doubt
when it came out it was a biggest-ever deal, and there were still people
living who had been involved some in the civil war, and it wasn't so dated.

Sandra

coyote's corner

She is also a well-loved Goddess.
The Goddess of Inspiration.

Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: sorcha_aisling
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 7:59 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: celtic sounding name was Arthurian legend


Cerrridwen is Welsh (I'm not her, but I know a lot about the name).
It means "white poetry" or better translated, "bright inspiration".
Someone (Robert Graves?) mistranslated it as "white sow" and some
people are under the mistaken impression that she was a pig! She
wasn't. She's a character from the Mabinoginon, who has a cauldron
of inspiration.

Sorcha (also Celtic sounding name)


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Art Nouveau

Hi! I've had to delete messages because my computer's down at home. Sorcha
actually answered the question about my pagan name quite well. Thanks! My
given name is Christine.

Cerridwen )O(



>From: Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] celtic sounding name was Arthurian legend
>Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:28:34 -0400
>
>
>
>Heidi wrote:
>
> > --- In [email protected], "Art Nouveau"
> > <Inanna1957@h...> wrote:
> > > And I'd like to have a blue crescent tatooed over my third eye!
> > Well, at
> > > least made with something washable!
> > >
> > > Cerridwen )O(
> > >
> > Tell me about your name: Cerridwen. Sounds Celtic or Welsh. My
> > daughter loves all things Celtic, Gaelic, or Welsh! L I used to call
> > her an Anglophile, until she informed me that she doesn't really love
> > anyone who subdued the Irish so fiercely as they were subdued by the
> > English.
> >
>
>Guess she dunt like the Scots then either. Mind you, the Irish, English,
>Cornish n Welsh fight like abag of ferrets :-)
>As for the C word.....
>
>Shyrley
>
>
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>


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