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In a message dated 4/16/2003 5:21:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

> It will be interesting to see, years down the line, how this shakes out, and
>
> whether unschoolers are subsumed back into the population by marrying
> schoolkids who insist on school, or whatever.
>

I think these are especially interesting questions when raising boys. There
tends top be more latitude for girls about prioritizing in favor of family.

We were talking with Julian (13) about whether he'd ever send his kids to
school if he had them. He said no. He's planning a career in music, and we
asked, what if your partner really wanted to work. He said he'd find a way to
work nights so he could be home and unschool with the kids.

Kathryn


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Backstrom kelli

He's planning a career in music, and we
asked, what if your partner really wanted to work. He said he'd find a way to
work nights so he could be home and unschool with the kids.

My husband has a career in music and we are planning on sharing the responsibilities of unschooling. Do any other couples both work part time or share responsibilities like this. I feel like my husband has just as much to offer them as I do and maybe more if the kids end up leaning in the creative side! Kelli

KathrynJB@... wrote:In a message dated 4/16/2003 5:21:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

> It will be interesting to see, years down the line, how this shakes out, and
>
> whether unschoolers are subsumed back into the population by marrying
> schoolkids who insist on school, or whatever.
>

I think these are especially interesting questions when raising boys. There
tends top be more latitude for girls about prioritizing in favor of family.

We were talking with Julian (13) about whether he'd ever send his kids to
school if he had them. He said no. He's planning a career in music, and we
asked, what if your partner really wanted to work. He said he'd find a way to
work nights so he could be home and unschool with the kids.

Kathryn


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In a message dated 4/17/03 8:40:43 AM, KathrynJB@... writes:

<< whether unschoolers are subsumed back into the population by marrying
> schoolkids who insist on school, or whatever.
>

<<I think these are especially interesting questions when raising boys. There
tends top be more latitude for girls about prioritizing in favor of family. >>

Schools may actually change, too! <g>

Probably not, but I threw that in as a "just maybe." <g>

Sandra

Tia Leschke

>
> <<I think these are especially interesting questions when raising boys.
There
> tends top be more latitude for girls about prioritizing in favor of
family. >>
>
> Schools may actually change, too! <g>
>
> Probably not, but I threw that in as a "just maybe." <g>

And pigs might fly.
Tia

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
saftety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
leschke@...

jmcseals SEALS

>>I may be in the minority here, but I don't even know if it's a good idea
>>for
public schools to cease to exist. I think while home- or unschooling might
be
good for virtually any kid, it's not necessarily right for all families.<<

I agree. I don't think home/unschooling is right for every family. I think
it's best, but unfortunately, there are parents who feel they don't have
options and , sadly, there are those who aren't interested. I have an aunt
whose children are in ps' and she loves it. She feels like my children are
missing out on so much. I feel like my cousins are missing out on so much,
too, though. I also have a friend that 'wants' to homeschool and has been
asking me all sorts of questions about unschooling. The way she sees it,
unschooling would *fit* for her because she is so lazy. (HER words, NOT
mine!) Se just doesn't get it. Another friend tried homeschooling but was
so military about it that she drove her kid away. That child is now in ps
doing better than ever. I don't necessarily think it is the best situation
for her, but compared to being home with her mother, it is ideal. Sad.

>>THAT said, oh, I hope schools do change, even at least a little away from
>>the
extreme standardization that's happening now. It has nothing to do with
what
kids need, and it's all political, and SO sad.<<

It IS sad. Very unfortunate. In Texas, our ps' have thrown out the TAAS
test for a much more difficult test. Just about any teacher asked will tell
you these kids are not prepared. The teachers have no choice other than to
teach to the test. Recess and lunch times are being cut in half, and some
recess periods are cut completely, as are physical education classes. It
took two years of public schools to convince me that it is the last place my
children will ever learn anything other than how to perform on a test. Yet,
so many bright children never DO learn how to perform on a test. Here, they
are held back a grade or grades and learn to hate school. Hate learning.
They are miserable and let down.

You don't even have to get into the other issues of ps to know how fast it
can squash any natural learning ability in a child. The social and
interpersonal ramifications are tremendous. I know there are people, grown
and growing that thouroughly enjoy(ed) ps. I'm willing to bet they all fall
at the top of the pecking order or just lucked out and had wonderful
teachers, friends and experiences. Though I am not stating this as fact, by
any means.

I still believe there is hope. But not in a public, government mandated
education. We just keep moving further and further towards that never
happening.

Jennifer






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Have a Nice Day!

I don't have a problem with schools existing.

I have a problem with compulsary attendance. ANY school can be a good place if its OPTIONAL.

Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: averyschmidt
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:19 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Schooled and unschooled partners


> I am a strong supporter of schools ceasing to exist and I've
signed
> the proclamation at www.sepschool.org.

What about the children (many of them, I'd guess) for whom school is
a safe, happy haven compared to their home lives?

Patti


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Karen McLaughlin

From: "Backstrom kelli" <kellibac@...>
>
> My husband has a career in music and we are planning on sharing the
responsibilities of unschooling. Do any other couples both work part time or
share responsibilities like this.

Yes!! My husband and I are both committed to being home as much as possible
with our kids (Noah, 5 1/2 and Nathan 3 1/2). With the exception of my older
son having a babysitter part-time for about 6 months (from about 9 months to
15 months - 6 of the most unpleasant months of our lives I might add!!) one
of us has always been home with the kids. At first I was working full time
and dh was home full time. Neither one of us liked this arrangement, I
wanted to be home more and he wanted to be out of the house more (without
the kids!). I now work 3 days per week, (8:30 am-4:30 pm) and dh does a few
different things - part-time home daycare, runs his own organic lawn care
business in the warmer months and does bicycle repairs. This has been a
better balance for all of us. We all seem to feel like we're connecting
enough to each other and have an opportunity to "do our own thing" too.
We're hoping to phase out the home daycare over the next year or so, as our
boys are getting older and it's limiting how flexible our schedule can be
(we have to pick up and drop off kindergarten kids at the school down the
block even though our kids don't go there!!) Dh is trying to find a
part-time job that will work around my schedule so we can afford to stop
doing daycare.

[Interesting aside, the school principal asked my husband one day why she
had never seen our kids *inside* the school -obviously she had seen them
with him while picking up other kids- and when he informed her that we were
homeschooling, she said "That's really great. Your kids will benefit a lot
from that!" I couldn't believe it!! (Of course, he didn't say we were
*unschooling* :) ]

I'm glad you asked this question, I was wondering a lot about dads'
involvement in unschooling and was thinking of posting a similar question
myself. Trying to strike a balance between work and home that meets
everyone's needs and provides an adequate income seems to be one of the
biggest challenges in our house!

Karen in Hamilton, ON
(who joined the list about a month ago and has enjoyed it immensely so
far!!)

Have a Nice Day!

We tag team it here and have for many years, from the time my oldest was about 18 months old. There were intermittent times when we tried daycare but it never worked out for long.

He worked day, I worked night, part time. Now he works during the week, I work weekends (only every other).

Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen McLaughlin
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Schooled and unschooled partners



From: "Backstrom kelli" <kellibac@...>
>
> My husband has a career in music and we are planning on sharing the
responsibilities of unschooling. Do any other couples both work part time or
share responsibilities like this.

Yes!! My husband and I are both committed to being home as much as possible
with our kids (Noah, 5 1/2 and Nathan 3 1/2). With the exception of my older
son having a babysitter part-time for about 6 months (from about 9 months to
15 months - 6 of the most unpleasant months of our lives I might add!!) one
of us has always been home with the kids. At first I was working full time
and dh was home full time. Neither one of us liked this arrangement, I
wanted to be home more and he wanted to be out of the house more (without
the kids!). I now work 3 days per week, (8:30 am-4:30 pm) and dh does a few
different things - part-time home daycare, runs his own organic lawn care
business in the warmer months and does bicycle repairs. This has been a
better balance for all of us. We all seem to feel like we're connecting
enough to each other and have an opportunity to "do our own thing" too.
We're hoping to phase out the home daycare over the next year or so, as our
boys are getting older and it's limiting how flexible our schedule can be
(we have to pick up and drop off kindergarten kids at the school down the
block even though our kids don't go there!!) Dh is trying to find a
part-time job that will work around my schedule so we can afford to stop
doing daycare.

[Interesting aside, the school principal asked my husband one day why she
had never seen our kids *inside* the school -obviously she had seen them
with him while picking up other kids- and when he informed her that we were
homeschooling, she said "That's really great. Your kids will benefit a lot
from that!" I couldn't believe it!! (Of course, he didn't say we were
*unschooling* :) ]

I'm glad you asked this question, I was wondering a lot about dads'
involvement in unschooling and was thinking of posting a similar question
myself. Trying to strike a balance between work and home that meets
everyone's needs and provides an adequate income seems to be one of the
biggest challenges in our house!

Karen in Hamilton, ON
(who joined the list about a month ago and has enjoyed it immensely so
far!!)





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Michelle &Trevor Payne

My husband and I share the responsibilities of unschooling our 9 yr old son.
Even before he was born we knew that we would figure out some way that one
of us would be at home with Matthew and that we would homeschool.(at that
time I didn't know about unschooling), that he would not attend ps. I work
f/t for my IL's in the family business, and my husband does as well,
depending on what's needed. And he is also a musician, recording engineer
and computer genius (He's also been building our new house for the past 6
months). My husband stays home with Matthew and when that's not possible,
then Matthew is able to come to work with me. He either helps unpack stock.,
plays on my computer or sometimes he plays outside with the neighbouring
cafe's grandson. He's always welcome to come to the store or stay at home.
We feel very fortunate that our employment opportunities have worked out so
well for our family. I always knew it would be me who would work outside the
home (my dh has a rare form of md that can make it difficult to work), and
yet didn't want to be away from my son so much. This is like the best of
both worlds. And my IL's have been very supportive of us
homeschooling/unschooling in the best way we see fit. So they never mind if
he is around at the store.

Michelle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Backstrom kelli" <kellibac@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Schooled and unschooled partners


> He's planning a career in music, and we
> asked, what if your partner really wanted to work. He said he'd find a way
to
> work nights so he could be home and unschool with the kids.
>
> My husband has a career in music and we are planning on sharing the
responsibilities of unschooling. Do any other couples both work part time or
share responsibilities like this. I feel like my husband has just as much to
offer them as I do and maybe more if the kids end up leaning in the creative
side! Kelli
>
> KathrynJB@... wrote:In a message dated 4/16/2003 5:21:55 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> > It will be interesting to see, years down the line, how this shakes out,
and
> >
> > whether unschoolers are subsumed back into the population by marrying
> > schoolkids who insist on school, or whatever.
> >
>
> I think these are especially interesting questions when raising boys.
There
> tends top be more latitude for girls about prioritizing in favor of
family.
>
> We were talking with Julian (13) about whether he'd ever send his kids to
> school if he had them. He said no. He's planning a career in music, and we
> asked, what if your partner really wanted to work. He said he'd find a way
to
> work nights so he could be home and unschool with the kids.
>
> Kathryn
>
>
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