Computers
Jessica LF Petrie
Hi everyone. I've decided to delurk after about a week or so. My
question is regarding use of computers. My husband thinks that our
children (age 4 and 2) should not ever use the computer. I think that
the computer could be an invaluable tool. I have offered to buy them
their own keyboard, so they won't gum ours up or anything (although if
you make rules, that shouldn't happen anyway!). He says I'd have to buy
them their own computer because he doesn't want them getting into the
wrong files and messing our stuff up. He won't even let them use it with
me sitting right beside them.
What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers?
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question is regarding use of computers. My husband thinks that our
children (age 4 and 2) should not ever use the computer. I think that
the computer could be an invaluable tool. I have offered to buy them
their own keyboard, so they won't gum ours up or anything (although if
you make rules, that shouldn't happen anyway!). He says I'd have to buy
them their own computer because he doesn't want them getting into the
wrong files and messing our stuff up. He won't even let them use it with
me sitting right beside them.
What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers?
-jessica
http://pages.ivillage.com/pp/jessilfp
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In a message dated 02/12/2000 7:38:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlfp@...
writes:
<< What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers?
Right now, my 5 yr old isn't really interested in computers but.... I am
constantly trying to get him involved. Computers are a huge part of
everyone's lives now (banks, utilities, communication etc.) and it will only
get bigger. Imo, children should be exposed to computers and be allowed to
explore as early as they are interested in it. Your children are at the age
where they would definitely have to have someone sit right there with them,
but if you are there they can't get into any files that they shouldn't right?
Are your children interested in the computer yet?
Best of luck =)
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<< What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers?
>>Jessica,
Right now, my 5 yr old isn't really interested in computers but.... I am
constantly trying to get him involved. Computers are a huge part of
everyone's lives now (banks, utilities, communication etc.) and it will only
get bigger. Imo, children should be exposed to computers and be allowed to
explore as early as they are interested in it. Your children are at the age
where they would definitely have to have someone sit right there with them,
but if you are there they can't get into any files that they shouldn't right?
Are your children interested in the computer yet?
Best of luck =)
Hugs,
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A. Yates
My kids are 7, 5 and 3. I let them do a few software programs, but I limit it
quite a bit. I do the same for TV. They only watch a bit. We only own 2
videos. If they are using the computer, I am right there with them. I think
they have plenty of years to learn about the computer. Besides it changes so
rapidly. I really feel like they are young and should be playing and using
their imaginations instead of sitting in front of a screen (TV or computer)
But, I use it, and it is a part of life, so Very occasionally we do it
together.
Ann
Jessica LF Petrie wrote:
quite a bit. I do the same for TV. They only watch a bit. We only own 2
videos. If they are using the computer, I am right there with them. I think
they have plenty of years to learn about the computer. Besides it changes so
rapidly. I really feel like they are young and should be playing and using
their imaginations instead of sitting in front of a screen (TV or computer)
But, I use it, and it is a part of life, so Very occasionally we do it
together.
Ann
Jessica LF Petrie wrote:
> From: Jessica LF Petrie <jlfp@...>
>
> Hi everyone. I've decided to delurk after about a week or so. My
> question is regarding use of computers. My husband thinks that our
> children (age 4 and 2) should not ever use the computer. I think that
> the computer could be an invaluable tool. I have offered to buy them
> their own keyboard, so they won't gum ours up or anything (although if
> you make rules, that shouldn't happen anyway!). He says I'd have to buy
> them their own computer because he doesn't want them getting into the
> wrong files and messing our stuff up. He won't even let them use it with
> me sitting right beside them.
> What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers?
>
> -jessica
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> From: Jessica LF Petrie <jlfp@...>Why does he think that?
>
> Hi everyone. I've decided to delurk after about a week or so. My
> question is regarding use of computers. My husband thinks that our
> children (age 4 and 2) should not ever use the computer.
> He says I'd have to buyIs this his primary reason, or is it something else?
> them their own computer because he doesn't want them getting into the
> wrong files and messing our stuff up.
If you have a Mac, you can lock files so they can't get into them by
accident. (You may be able to do this on a PC as well, but I don't know.)
> He won't even let them use it withWow. I can't imagine.
> me sitting right beside them.
> What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers?Our kids have used computers practically since birth. They each have their
own now, not because of concern about them "messing our stuff up" but
simply because that way we don't have to argue over turns or time or
storage space.
When the kids were very young, they liked to type and type and type. Then
they learned to use the paint programs. Now they are better at graphics
than I am. They use their computers for many things- from writing to
programming, graphics to web surfing and web page design, talking to
friends, writing to grandparents, playing games and creating their own.
To really be able to have a discussion about your husband's concerns, I'd
have to know more about what they are.
Linda
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Linda Wyatt
> I really feel like they are young and should be playing and usingI find it interesting when people believe that using computers is simply
> their imaginations instead of sitting in front of a screen (TV or computer)
sitting in front of a screen, and not using one's imagination.
Some of what our kids do with a computer *is* "playing and using their
imaginations". They do incredibly creative things. They aren't just doing
e-mail or their taxes. <g>
Linda
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David & Betsy Wright
Hi Jessica,
We have 4 kids at home from 5 - 13 and they all love to use the computer, like their parents! We have 2 computers and they use both, but mainly stick to the one that has all their software installed. The kids know how to put in their own CD roms etc. I know it's not economically feasible for most families to have two computers, we happen to have a newly blended family and we both had computers when we got married. The kids know how to put in their own CD roms etc. The 13 yo probably knows more about computers than I do. You might mention to your husband that it is possible to set up separate desktops with passwords, so they can't access your desktop. You could make either of the desktops the default desktop. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to get into your stuff, but they would have to know how to right click and explore the different drives - possible, but not likely.
Also, the children's section in our library has computers for them to use - maybe yours does too. Let them learn how to use the computer properly there and maybe your husband will be so impressed he will let them use the home computer.
Hope I Helped! Good Luck
Betsy Wright
The Wright Way To Homeschool
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email: deejay@...
I can do everything through Him who strengthens me. Phillipians 4:13
We have 4 kids at home from 5 - 13 and they all love to use the computer, like their parents! We have 2 computers and they use both, but mainly stick to the one that has all their software installed. The kids know how to put in their own CD roms etc. I know it's not economically feasible for most families to have two computers, we happen to have a newly blended family and we both had computers when we got married. The kids know how to put in their own CD roms etc. The 13 yo probably knows more about computers than I do. You might mention to your husband that it is possible to set up separate desktops with passwords, so they can't access your desktop. You could make either of the desktops the default desktop. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to get into your stuff, but they would have to know how to right click and explore the different drives - possible, but not likely.
Also, the children's section in our library has computers for them to use - maybe yours does too. Let them learn how to use the computer properly there and maybe your husband will be so impressed he will let them use the home computer.
Hope I Helped! Good Luck
Betsy Wright
The Wright Way To Homeschool
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/homeschoolingwrights
email: deejay@...
I can do everything through Him who strengthens me. Phillipians 4:13
Tracy Oldfield
My youngest could use a mouse by 18 months!! We have a business at home, and are also gaming addicts to a degree, so while the kids' 'puter's perfectly acceptable for work use (except the screen size) we upgraded when we could afford for the gaming capability, and seeing as they are surpassed so quickly, the second-hand value did not warrant the effort of selling it. The computer is just another part of our lives. I use it. Dh uses it. Why shouldn't they use it? They use the taps for the water, they use the tv, they use the table, the toaster, why should they not use another tool, the computer? Someone mentioned that children tend to go in spates of things (adults too, if we can) and that a child had done so much Nintendo that he was sick of the sight of it! I believe that given free access to it, there isn't the novelty value and it has less of a hold over them. And I have heard from some on this list who were concerned at the amount of time spent reading, yes, real books, to the detriment of other more active pursuits. It's handy for when one wants some quiet time on their own.
We have a couple of different art packages, Art Attack, a cheapo kids' art cd, creativity workshop, and they really do create on it. We have strategy-type stuff, Rollercoaster Tycoon being an example, which they're learning cause-and-effect from, ie, people don't turn green and throw up unless they can get on and off the rides, so you need to build paths which connect up. They can't read yet, but it doesn't stop them from making the most of what's there, and we do have some 'teaching' software (btw, I'm not keen on Dorling Kindersley's style, a little too judgemental for my taste. Pingu's much more up my street :-) )
Anyhow, I've waffled enough! Perhaps your dh has some specific concerns, lack of physical activity for example, in which case I'd put him in charge of taking them for walks when he can, or something suitable (this is wishful thinking in this house atm, it's rugby season <g> I'm sure the nz-ers will appreciate!)
hth!
Tracy
We have a couple of different art packages, Art Attack, a cheapo kids' art cd, creativity workshop, and they really do create on it. We have strategy-type stuff, Rollercoaster Tycoon being an example, which they're learning cause-and-effect from, ie, people don't turn green and throw up unless they can get on and off the rides, so you need to build paths which connect up. They can't read yet, but it doesn't stop them from making the most of what's there, and we do have some 'teaching' software (btw, I'm not keen on Dorling Kindersley's style, a little too judgemental for my taste. Pingu's much more up my street :-) )
Anyhow, I've waffled enough! Perhaps your dh has some specific concerns, lack of physical activity for example, in which case I'd put him in charge of taking them for walks when he can, or something suitable (this is wishful thinking in this house atm, it's rugby season <g> I'm sure the nz-ers will appreciate!)
hth!
Tracy
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From: David & Betsy Wright
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Computers
From: "David & Betsy Wright" <deejay@...>
Hi Jessica,
We have 4 kids at home from 5 - 13 and they all love to use the computer, like their parents! We have 2 computers and they use both, but mainly stick to the one that has all their software installed. The kids know how to put in their own CD roms etc. I know it's not economically feasible for most families to have two computers, we happen to have a newly blended family and we both had computers when we got married. The kids know how to put in their own CD roms etc. The 13 yo probably knows more about computers than I do. You might mention to your husband that it is possible to set up separate desktops with passwords, so they can't access your desktop. You could make either of the desktops the default desktop. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to get into your stuff, but they would have to know how to right click and explore the different drives - possible, but not likely.
Also, the children's section in our library has computers for them to use - maybe yours does too. Let them learn how to use the computer properly there and maybe your husband will be so impressed he will let them use the home computer.
Hope I Helped! Good Luck
Betsy Wright
The Wright Way To Homeschool
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/homeschoolingwrights
email: deejay@...
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Jessica-
Computers are a direct link to our future. I know that there is no way that
we can move forward without having to deal with one sooner or later. My
husband is much like yours. We do have a computer for the children (a 286
stepped up to a 386), but he does not want them on the Internet. If you want
backing on your decision to have the children learn computer skills, start
researching your decision so when you approach your husband, you are well
informed and show him that you are seriously interested in your children's
future. Even fast food stores are moving to computer based systems. Almost
all factories (I live in Michigan) are computerized. To earn any money, you
must have computer skills. Krogers is computerized. I would learn all I
could and then re approach him. Lots of luck-
Stephanie
Life's Learning's Academy
Computers are a direct link to our future. I know that there is no way that
we can move forward without having to deal with one sooner or later. My
husband is much like yours. We do have a computer for the children (a 286
stepped up to a 386), but he does not want them on the Internet. If you want
backing on your decision to have the children learn computer skills, start
researching your decision so when you approach your husband, you are well
informed and show him that you are seriously interested in your children's
future. Even fast food stores are moving to computer based systems. Almost
all factories (I live in Michigan) are computerized. To earn any money, you
must have computer skills. Krogers is computerized. I would learn all I
could and then re approach him. Lots of luck-
Stephanie
Life's Learning's Academy
Brown
Jessica LF Petrie wrote:
own computer, or learn to put up with only getting to use it at very odd hours
<bg>
Carol
who should be in bed, but has been waiting for her turn on the computer
> What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers?Weeeell..... once they get bigger than you, you need to either buy them their
own computer, or learn to put up with only getting to use it at very odd hours
<bg>
Carol
who should be in bed, but has been waiting for her turn on the computer
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In a message dated 02/13/2000 12:39:04 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jlfp@...
writes:
<< What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers? >>
What's he got on the the computer that kids would possibly be interested in??
:):) I run my word processing software and my husband's accounting files on
the same PC the kids use and they have never shown the least interest in
"exploring" in those files. Except for the time my son was helping me make
entries to the checkbook on the computer -- he thought it looked cool but
quickly became bored with it. As did I!
Seriously, my kids use the PC all the time -- for Spanish and Math and
Grammar and Science (latest is Animals and Geography) and Writing and, yes,
some games.
And I think it really is the future. Maybe a good thing, maybe not. But a
reality.
FWIW, my kids were probably 2 and 4 when they started using the PC. They now
know way more than Dad (who is super proud that he can use the Jeopardy CD we
got him for Christmas!).
We don't have spills, accidents, at the computer. Now that you mention it
this sort of thing happens everywhere else but not at the PC. I think they
"get it." They've been told, etc. -- but I think, for their own selfish
reasons, they understand how cool the PC is and wouldn't want to ruin it.
Also, it will only become more and more enticing if it is "banned." IMO
There are tons of good software programs out there for kids of all ages and
interests.
Well, that's my 2 cents.
Nance
writes:
<< What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers? >>
What's he got on the the computer that kids would possibly be interested in??
:):) I run my word processing software and my husband's accounting files on
the same PC the kids use and they have never shown the least interest in
"exploring" in those files. Except for the time my son was helping me make
entries to the checkbook on the computer -- he thought it looked cool but
quickly became bored with it. As did I!
Seriously, my kids use the PC all the time -- for Spanish and Math and
Grammar and Science (latest is Animals and Geography) and Writing and, yes,
some games.
And I think it really is the future. Maybe a good thing, maybe not. But a
reality.
FWIW, my kids were probably 2 and 4 when they started using the PC. They now
know way more than Dad (who is super proud that he can use the Jeopardy CD we
got him for Christmas!).
We don't have spills, accidents, at the computer. Now that you mention it
this sort of thing happens everywhere else but not at the PC. I think they
"get it." They've been told, etc. -- but I think, for their own selfish
reasons, they understand how cool the PC is and wouldn't want to ruin it.
Also, it will only become more and more enticing if it is "banned." IMO
There are tons of good software programs out there for kids of all ages and
interests.
Well, that's my 2 cents.
Nance
[email protected]
In a message dated 02/13/2000 1:38:57 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
hilinda@... writes:
<< e their
own now, not because of concern about them "messing our stuff up" but
simply because that way we don't have to argue over turns or time or
storage space.
broken down and gotten the 2nd PC yet so it is still "Mom 1st." At least if
I'm doing "real work" and not just chatting.
Nance
hilinda@... writes:
<< e their
own now, not because of concern about them "messing our stuff up" but
simply because that way we don't have to argue over turns or time or
storage space.
>>Maybe this is part of his concern. This is a real issue here. I haven't
broken down and gotten the 2nd PC yet so it is still "Mom 1st." At least if
I'm doing "real work" and not just chatting.
Nance
Shelley Mansberger
Just to add to this discussion.....my 13yo son's best friend is only allowed one hour of what his parents deem "screen time". In other words, one hour of either computer, nintendo, TV, or gameboy per day. My son has free access to all of these things. My son's friend NEVER wants to be at home....always wants to come over here....and he marvels at how much "fun" we all seem to have together.
His dad wants him to be a doctor.....his dad IS a doctor (so is my husband), though we have always led both of our boys to think about finding their passion and then try to find work that fits it. Anyway, my son's friend called up yesterday to ask my son to ask his older brother how much money a computer programmer makes. Seems that his friend is trying to convince his dad that being a computer programmer can bring in as much money as being a doctor!! This had my whole family in a discussion of how so many kids are being led to believe that the way to be happy is to make six figures!! Forget about what brings you joy, just look at the money. How sad is this?
I guess my point is......this kid has been kept from doing the one thing that he enjoys most.....playing with technology. It's become the forbidden fruit, and is now causing a 13yo boy to have to petition his dad to "let" him take on a certain profession one day. It's all he dreaming of......being allowed at a keyboard as much as he wants. How will he ever know what it is he really wants with that kind of control over him?
My kids' generation will be surrounded by technology, and computers will be running the show, whether we like it or not. To not allow kids to become computer savvy, to me, will be putting them at an extreme disadvantage in the world. Just my two cents.
Shelley
His dad wants him to be a doctor.....his dad IS a doctor (so is my husband), though we have always led both of our boys to think about finding their passion and then try to find work that fits it. Anyway, my son's friend called up yesterday to ask my son to ask his older brother how much money a computer programmer makes. Seems that his friend is trying to convince his dad that being a computer programmer can bring in as much money as being a doctor!! This had my whole family in a discussion of how so many kids are being led to believe that the way to be happy is to make six figures!! Forget about what brings you joy, just look at the money. How sad is this?
I guess my point is......this kid has been kept from doing the one thing that he enjoys most.....playing with technology. It's become the forbidden fruit, and is now causing a 13yo boy to have to petition his dad to "let" him take on a certain profession one day. It's all he dreaming of......being allowed at a keyboard as much as he wants. How will he ever know what it is he really wants with that kind of control over him?
My kids' generation will be surrounded by technology, and computers will be running the show, whether we like it or not. To not allow kids to become computer savvy, to me, will be putting them at an extreme disadvantage in the world. Just my two cents.
Shelley
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From: Tracy Oldfield
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Computers
From: "Tracy Oldfield" <Tracy@...-online.co.uk>
My youngest could use a mouse by 18 months!! We have a business at home, and are also gaming addicts to a degree, so while the kids' 'puter's perfectly acceptable for work use (except the screen size) we upgraded when we could afford for the gaming capability, and seeing as they are surpassed so quickly, the second-hand value did not warrant the effort of selling it. The computer is just another part of our lives. I use it. Dh uses it. Why shouldn't they use it? They use the taps for the water, they use the tv, they use the table, the toaster, why should they not use another tool, the computer? Someone mentioned that children tend to go in spates of things (adults too, if we can) and that a child had done so much Nintendo that he was sick of the sight of it! I believe that given free access to it, there isn't the novelty value and it has less of a hold over them. And I have heard from some on this list who were concerned at the amount of time spent reading, yes, real books, to the detriment of other more active pursuits. It's handy for when one wants some quiet time on their own.
We have a couple of different art packages, Art Attack, a cheapo kids' art cd, creativity workshop, and they really do create on it. We have strategy-type stuff, Rollercoaster Tycoon being an example, which they're learning cause-and-effect from, ie, people don't turn green and throw up unless they can get on and off the rides, so you need to build paths which connect up. They can't read yet, but it doesn't stop them from making the most of what's there, and we do have some 'teaching' software (btw, I'm not keen on Dorling Kindersley's style, a little too judgemental for my taste. Pingu's much more up my street :-) )
Anyhow, I've waffled enough! Perhaps your dh has some specific concerns, lack of physical activity for example, in which case I'd put him in charge of taking them for walks when he can, or something suitable (this is wishful thinking in this house atm, it's rugby season <g> I'm sure the nz-ers will appreciate!)
hth!
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: David & Betsy Wright
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Computers
From: "David & Betsy Wright" <deejay@...>
Hi Jessica,
We have 4 kids at home from 5 - 13 and they all love to use the computer, like their parents! We have 2 computers and they use both, but mainly stick to the one that has all their software installed. The kids know how to put in their own CD roms etc. I know it's not economically feasible for most families to have two computers, we happen to have a newly blended family and we both had computers when we got married. The kids know how to put in their own CD roms etc. The 13 yo probably knows more about computers than I do. You might mention to your husband that it is possible to set up separate desktops with passwords, so they can't access your desktop. You could make either of the desktops the default desktop. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to get into your stuff, but they would have to know how to right click and explore the different drives - possible, but not likely.
Also, the children's section in our library has computers for them to use - maybe yours does too. Let them learn how to use the computer properly there and maybe your husband will be so impressed he will let them use the home computer.
Hope I Helped! Good Luck
Betsy Wright
The Wright Way To Homeschool
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/homeschoolingwrights
email: deejay@...
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For me this post of Shelley's, like those of Tracy's was chopped off -
but when I went 'reply' I could read the whole thing in the composition
window.
Carol
but when I went 'reply' I could read the whole thing in the composition
window.
Carol
> From: "Shelley Mansberger" <serene@...>
> Just to add to this discussion.....my 13yo son's best friend is only
> allowed one hour of what his parents deem "screen time". In other
> words, one hour of either computer, nintendo, ....... <cut>
A. Yates
Yep, same here. It must be something to do with the html version?
Ann
Brown wrote:
Ann
Brown wrote:
> From: Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
>
> For me this post of Shelley's, like those of Tracy's was chopped off -
> but when I went 'reply' I could read the whole thing in the composition
> window.
>
> Carol
>
> > From: "Shelley Mansberger" <serene@...>
> > Just to add to this discussion.....my 13yo son's best friend is only
> > allowed one hour of what his parents deem "screen time". In other
> > words, one hour of either computer, nintendo, ....... <cut>
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Hi,
I won't be able to participate on the list for awhile because my computer has
crashed. I'm checking my email now at my mom's house. I'll check back in
after awhile.
Buzz - will you let Nathan know that Andy won't be able to write him for
awhile? He is anxious to get back with it but I think the computer is a
goner. sigh...
KIM
**runs with scissors**
I won't be able to participate on the list for awhile because my computer has
crashed. I'm checking my email now at my mom's house. I'll check back in
after awhile.
Buzz - will you let Nathan know that Andy won't be able to write him for
awhile? He is anxious to get back with it but I think the computer is a
goner. sigh...
KIM
**runs with scissors**
D Klement
Monkeycoop@... wrote:
Buzz
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The Klement Family "Education is what survives when
Darryl, Debbie, what has been learned has been
Kathleen, Nathan & forgotten"
Samantha B.F. Skinner in "New Scientist".
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>No problem I'll let him know!
> From: Monkeycoop@...
>
> Hi,
>
> I won't be able to participate on the list for awhile because my computer has
> crashed. I'm checking my email now at my mom's house. I'll check back in
> after awhile.
>
> Buzz - will you let Nathan know that Andy won't be able to write him for
> awhile? He is anxious to get back with it but I think the computer is a
> goner. sigh...
> KIM
> **runs with scissors**
Buzz
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Klement Family "Education is what survives when
Darryl, Debbie, what has been learned has been
Kathleen, Nathan & forgotten"
Samantha B.F. Skinner in "New Scientist".
e-mail- klement@...
Canadian homeschool page: http:\\www.flora.org/homeschool-ca/
Ont. Federation of Teaching Parents: http:\\www.flora.org/oftp/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A. Yates
Shelley,
I'm not sure. The only thing I can think of is when you send to the list maybe
you shouldn't send in html. There should be a setting in your preferences in
your browser for this. THen, at onelist, My Onelist, member profile, there is
setting for receiving html or plain text. I have put mine on plain text to see
if that helps any.
Other than that, I don't know. I did notice that the ones that don't come all
the way in seem to have a different text than all the others. Anyone know more
about this?
Ann
Shelley Mansberger wrote:
I'm not sure. The only thing I can think of is when you send to the list maybe
you shouldn't send in html. There should be a setting in your preferences in
your browser for this. THen, at onelist, My Onelist, member profile, there is
setting for receiving html or plain text. I have put mine on plain text to see
if that helps any.
Other than that, I don't know. I did notice that the ones that don't come all
the way in seem to have a different text than all the others. Anyone know more
about this?
Ann
Shelley Mansberger wrote:
> From: "Shelley Mansberger" <serene@...>
>
> If my post was "cut", do I need to go back into onelist and change
> something?
>
> Shelley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: A. Yates <hooperck@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Computers
>
> > From: "A. Yates" <hooperck@...>
> >
> > Yep, same here. It must be something to do with the html version?
> > Ann
> >
> > Brown wrote:
> >
> > > From: Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> > >
> > > For me this post of Shelley's, like those of Tracy's was chopped off -
> > > but when I went 'reply' I could read the whole thing in the composition
> > > window.
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> > > > From: "Shelley Mansberger" <serene@...>
> > > > Just to add to this discussion.....my 13yo son's best friend is only
> > > > allowed one hour of what his parents deem "screen time". In other
> > > > words, one hour of either computer, nintendo, ....... <cut>
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If my post was "cut", do I need to go back into onelist and change
something?
Shelley
something?
Shelley
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Yates <hooperck@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Computers
> From: "A. Yates" <hooperck@...>
>
> Yep, same here. It must be something to do with the html version?
> Ann
>
> Brown wrote:
>
> > From: Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> >
> > For me this post of Shelley's, like those of Tracy's was chopped off -
> > but when I went 'reply' I could read the whole thing in the composition
> > window.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> > > From: "Shelley Mansberger" <serene@...>
> > > Just to add to this discussion.....my 13yo son's best friend is only
> > > allowed one hour of what his parents deem "screen time". In other
> > > words, one hour of either computer, nintendo, ....... <cut>
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hi,
we bought our son a computer, an imac, when he was 3 1/2. we found that his
interest in it comes and goes. we refrain from overdoing it on control and
simply tell him what we experience to be true but basically let him make his
own decisions within the perimeters of safety. we try not to stand in
judgment of anything ( though i must admit we still wrestle with video
games:), leaving us open to all kinds of possibilities. personally i believe
that unschooling is about fostering independence and respect and believe that
what is paramount is to have lots of info in the form of libraries, both
books and cd-roms will proof to be invaluable, as well as direct exposure to
first hand experiences. also because rene', who is now 4 1/2, has so much
experience and is so independent on the computer (as well as all areas) he
has been asked to test products - new cd-rom - at his dad's work (he works
for a software co.).
i truly think to unschool you must trust that your kids will ultimately
choose wisely. that is not to say 'sit back and watch', you should be
actively involved, make suggestions, but if your kids really want to sit in
front of the tv or the computer or run outside or whatever, you should help
them make it happen (i.e. lots of toy stories have computer available to use
and try out software) and see where it takes them - learning is a great
adventure and it's most exciting when you have no idea where you'll end up.
like watching tv you learn a lot about manipulation of facts and emotions and
can learn to not believe everything you see, read or hear (an unfortunate
reality but an extremely important skill to develop) - i nearly always watch
with my son or am within ear shot so we can talk about about it afterwards.
also it's fun to just kick back and enjoy something without worrying about
'gaining knowledge' - i think it's important to remember life's to be
enjoyed as well as 'mastered' and learning to have fun is equally important
as skill mastery.
-susan
austin,tx
'unity through diversity'
Jessica LF Petrie wrote:
we bought our son a computer, an imac, when he was 3 1/2. we found that his
interest in it comes and goes. we refrain from overdoing it on control and
simply tell him what we experience to be true but basically let him make his
own decisions within the perimeters of safety. we try not to stand in
judgment of anything ( though i must admit we still wrestle with video
games:), leaving us open to all kinds of possibilities. personally i believe
that unschooling is about fostering independence and respect and believe that
what is paramount is to have lots of info in the form of libraries, both
books and cd-roms will proof to be invaluable, as well as direct exposure to
first hand experiences. also because rene', who is now 4 1/2, has so much
experience and is so independent on the computer (as well as all areas) he
has been asked to test products - new cd-rom - at his dad's work (he works
for a software co.).
i truly think to unschool you must trust that your kids will ultimately
choose wisely. that is not to say 'sit back and watch', you should be
actively involved, make suggestions, but if your kids really want to sit in
front of the tv or the computer or run outside or whatever, you should help
them make it happen (i.e. lots of toy stories have computer available to use
and try out software) and see where it takes them - learning is a great
adventure and it's most exciting when you have no idea where you'll end up.
like watching tv you learn a lot about manipulation of facts and emotions and
can learn to not believe everything you see, read or hear (an unfortunate
reality but an extremely important skill to develop) - i nearly always watch
with my son or am within ear shot so we can talk about about it afterwards.
also it's fun to just kick back and enjoy something without worrying about
'gaining knowledge' - i think it's important to remember life's to be
enjoyed as well as 'mastered' and learning to have fun is equally important
as skill mastery.
-susan
austin,tx
'unity through diversity'
Jessica LF Petrie wrote:
> From: Jessica LF Petrie <jlfp@...>
>
> Hi everyone. I've decided to delurk after about a week or so. My
> question is regarding use of computers. My husband thinks that our
> children (age 4 and 2) should not ever use the computer. I think that
> the computer could be an invaluable tool. I have offered to buy them
> their own keyboard, so they won't gum ours up or anything (although if
> you make rules, that shouldn't happen anyway!). He says I'd have to buy
> them their own computer because he doesn't want them getting into the
> wrong files and messing our stuff up. He won't even let them use it with
> me sitting right beside them.
> What does everyone else feel about kids and the use of computers?
>
> -jessica
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Shelley Mansberger wrote:
we find that if you give free access, be it to tv, sugar, whatever it no
longer rules their life and they tend to make better decisions. just a
thought
-susan
austin,tx
'unity through diversity'
> From: "Shelley Mansberger" <serene@...>hi,
> Just to add to this discussion.....my 13yo son's best friend is only
> allowed one hour of what his parents deem "screen time". In other
> words, one hour of either computer, nintendo, TV, or gameboy per day.
> My son has free access to all of these things. My son's friend NEVER
> wants to be at home....always wants to come over here....and he
> marvels at how much "fun" we all seem to have together.
we find that if you give free access, be it to tv, sugar, whatever it no
longer rules their life and they tend to make better decisions. just a
thought
-susan
austin,tx
'unity through diversity'