Christians AGAIN
Deborah Lewis
Man, wander off for a water balloon fight and some sidewalk art and WHAM,
four hundred messages about Fundamentalist Christians AND spanking.
***What exactly is it that is hurting the "other" unschoolers or the
children? ***
First, you'd be hard pressed to find a Fundamentalist unschooler.
There's a lot of writing on the web, and I think someone even posted a
link explaining why unschooling goes against God.
So how do they hurt homeschooling? They'll tell you they're working for
homeschooling freedoms and have devised a huge scare campaign about how
the government wants to take away their rights. They want to comply
with the law so perfectly no one suspects what's going on in their homes.
They've actively worked in some areas to require annual testing for
homeschoolers as long as the testing in NO way suggests they'd have to
teach to the standard in Science and History.
Worse, something no one has talked about, as far as I could tell, the
kids in these homes are eventually going to talk about what
"homeschooling" is like. They are eventually going to be adults and
not all of them will stay on the path their parents have so brutally set
before them. When they come forward about the kind of home life they
had, it's going to raise questions about the well being and safety of
kids kept home, and with good reason. There have already been a few
ugly glimpses of what's going on in these kinds of families.
How does it hurt children?
Happily in the backs of Christian homeschooling magazines they advertise
"The Rod", a weapon for use against children. The logo is a smiley face
and they proudly state, "cushioned grip for comfort!" I don't know
about you, but I'm sure relieved the user will feel no discomfort while
whipping their child.
You can find articles on the web about how to choose the best whipping
tools in plumbing and hardware stores, when to start whipping and for
what reasons.
They tell their kids there are demons who want to get them and they're
everywhere. They're on fruit juice labels, in toys, on the TV, in the
little boy next door and in the necklace their little girl liked at the
store.
They don't take their kids to doctors because they're afraid of the
questions that will be asked.
In Wyoming last year they pushed for and passed a bill which says it's ok
for parents to bruise their children.
They think they will choose who their daughters will marry.
They spank little boys for touching themselves and make them pray to not
be so bad and dirty.
I'm pretty sure physical, mental and emotional abuse is harmful to
children. I don't understand why anyone would spend one minute
defending this type of thing.
Deb L
four hundred messages about Fundamentalist Christians AND spanking.
***What exactly is it that is hurting the "other" unschoolers or the
children? ***
First, you'd be hard pressed to find a Fundamentalist unschooler.
There's a lot of writing on the web, and I think someone even posted a
link explaining why unschooling goes against God.
So how do they hurt homeschooling? They'll tell you they're working for
homeschooling freedoms and have devised a huge scare campaign about how
the government wants to take away their rights. They want to comply
with the law so perfectly no one suspects what's going on in their homes.
They've actively worked in some areas to require annual testing for
homeschoolers as long as the testing in NO way suggests they'd have to
teach to the standard in Science and History.
Worse, something no one has talked about, as far as I could tell, the
kids in these homes are eventually going to talk about what
"homeschooling" is like. They are eventually going to be adults and
not all of them will stay on the path their parents have so brutally set
before them. When they come forward about the kind of home life they
had, it's going to raise questions about the well being and safety of
kids kept home, and with good reason. There have already been a few
ugly glimpses of what's going on in these kinds of families.
How does it hurt children?
Happily in the backs of Christian homeschooling magazines they advertise
"The Rod", a weapon for use against children. The logo is a smiley face
and they proudly state, "cushioned grip for comfort!" I don't know
about you, but I'm sure relieved the user will feel no discomfort while
whipping their child.
You can find articles on the web about how to choose the best whipping
tools in plumbing and hardware stores, when to start whipping and for
what reasons.
They tell their kids there are demons who want to get them and they're
everywhere. They're on fruit juice labels, in toys, on the TV, in the
little boy next door and in the necklace their little girl liked at the
store.
They don't take their kids to doctors because they're afraid of the
questions that will be asked.
In Wyoming last year they pushed for and passed a bill which says it's ok
for parents to bruise their children.
They think they will choose who their daughters will marry.
They spank little boys for touching themselves and make them pray to not
be so bad and dirty.
I'm pretty sure physical, mental and emotional abuse is harmful to
children. I don't understand why anyone would spend one minute
defending this type of thing.
Deb L
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/11/03 1:22:35 PM !!!First Boot!!!, ddzimlew@...
writes:
the no spanking thread. Spanking is control, pure and simple. It's "I'm
bigger and stronger than you and I can make you do whatever I want".
If we hit an adult it's a punishable offense, people who beat animals are
jailed, hitting a child is somehow excusable? I don't think so!
Hitting teaches the child that physical force is ok. How will you deal with
your child when he hits another over a toy? YOU'VE taught him that behavior.
How do you exlain to him that hitting is ok for you but if HE does it HE'LL
get hit because it's unacceptable for him!
Everytime you resort to hitting you diminish the very essence of who your
child is. Our children are not animals that need to be trained. Any parent
who expects or demands complete obedience and uses spanking to attain that
obedience needs to get a handle on their OWN emotions and feelings.
Beth
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writes:
> I'm pretty sure physical, mental and emotional abuse is harmful toI usually just read everything and lurk in corners but I have to agree with
> children. I don't understand why anyone would spend one minute
> defending this type of thing.
>
the no spanking thread. Spanking is control, pure and simple. It's "I'm
bigger and stronger than you and I can make you do whatever I want".
If we hit an adult it's a punishable offense, people who beat animals are
jailed, hitting a child is somehow excusable? I don't think so!
Hitting teaches the child that physical force is ok. How will you deal with
your child when he hits another over a toy? YOU'VE taught him that behavior.
How do you exlain to him that hitting is ok for you but if HE does it HE'LL
get hit because it's unacceptable for him!
Everytime you resort to hitting you diminish the very essence of who your
child is. Our children are not animals that need to be trained. Any parent
who expects or demands complete obedience and uses spanking to attain that
obedience needs to get a handle on their OWN emotions and feelings.
Beth
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In a message dated 4/11/03 7:21:54 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:
<< They want to comply
with the law so perfectly no one suspects what's going on in their homes.
They've actively worked in some areas to require annual testing for
homeschoolers as long as the testing in NO way suggests they'd have to
teach to the standard in Science and History. >>
They're very derisive of some of the things children are supposed to be
learning, and they are the living proof of some of the fears of the
detractors of homeschooling. They DO want to isolate their children and give
them a skewed version of life. There are scads of Christian books,
biographies written from a Christian point of view (no huge foul there),
science books written to support the Bible (starts to get questionable, in my
mind), history books with just flat out falsehood and with a framework of the
future written in which isn't supported by writings of the time, but just by
the time-travel wishes of the authors. There is at least one Christian piano
lessons course, and for a while there were advertisements for a Christian
Bible. And by Christian, I mean fundamentalist Christian. I saw some of the
definitions in a review once, and I REALLY wish I had bought one. "Saved"
was defined the regular ways AND as being born again. Various things were
defined straight up as "a sin against God in which..." and that way. Other
religions were defined in the worst possible light. It was a dictionary for
fundamentalist Christian homeschoolers to use which would keep them from
being exposed to other people's definitions of words.
Why?
Cultural awareness and political correctness are hooted down HARD by the
Christian Homescooling movement. They don't want to teach their children
compassion and acceptance of other cultures. Not even compassion and
awareness of other religious denominations.
And health and sex ed? FORGET it. Many of them define flirting and dating
right up there with adultery, and only allow arranged marriages or *maybe*
courtship.
One curriculum has separate tracks for girls and boys, so that the girls are
not even given the same Christian Education the boys are, but are taught to
be Christian wives and mothers, to be good wives of boys whose education is
superior to theirs.
Is that what people against homeschooling think is going on with
homeschoolers?
If they say it is happening, they will be telling the truth.
Those kids are taught to fear other information as coming from Satan, so how
will they be rescued from that subgroup? And it is NOT a small group.
They teach their kids to laugh at science and make fun of it. They teach
them that science is just another religion, with no basis but that Satan is
trying to tempt good Christians (them) to doubt God's word. If fossils seem
older than 6000 years, that's because Satan MADE them seem older. (Or
there's another theory, that God set that out as a test, and good Christians
will know not to go there.)
It doesn't make me want to send my kids to school, but it does make me feel
pretty resentful when people hear we're homeschooling and a vision of those
isolationist liars comes to their minds and I have to defend myself, again.
<<They spank little boys for touching themselves and make them pray to not
be so bad and dirty.
<<I'm pretty sure physical, mental and emotional abuse is harmful to
children. I don't understand why anyone would spend one minute
defending this type of thing.>>
And many have guns, and have told their children the godless heathens "out
there" are lying in wait to get them. That's more minor, but will
eventually play out at that edge where young men start to doubt what they
were told, but have nothing yet to replace it with.
Sandra
<< They want to comply
with the law so perfectly no one suspects what's going on in their homes.
They've actively worked in some areas to require annual testing for
homeschoolers as long as the testing in NO way suggests they'd have to
teach to the standard in Science and History. >>
They're very derisive of some of the things children are supposed to be
learning, and they are the living proof of some of the fears of the
detractors of homeschooling. They DO want to isolate their children and give
them a skewed version of life. There are scads of Christian books,
biographies written from a Christian point of view (no huge foul there),
science books written to support the Bible (starts to get questionable, in my
mind), history books with just flat out falsehood and with a framework of the
future written in which isn't supported by writings of the time, but just by
the time-travel wishes of the authors. There is at least one Christian piano
lessons course, and for a while there were advertisements for a Christian
Bible. And by Christian, I mean fundamentalist Christian. I saw some of the
definitions in a review once, and I REALLY wish I had bought one. "Saved"
was defined the regular ways AND as being born again. Various things were
defined straight up as "a sin against God in which..." and that way. Other
religions were defined in the worst possible light. It was a dictionary for
fundamentalist Christian homeschoolers to use which would keep them from
being exposed to other people's definitions of words.
Why?
Cultural awareness and political correctness are hooted down HARD by the
Christian Homescooling movement. They don't want to teach their children
compassion and acceptance of other cultures. Not even compassion and
awareness of other religious denominations.
And health and sex ed? FORGET it. Many of them define flirting and dating
right up there with adultery, and only allow arranged marriages or *maybe*
courtship.
One curriculum has separate tracks for girls and boys, so that the girls are
not even given the same Christian Education the boys are, but are taught to
be Christian wives and mothers, to be good wives of boys whose education is
superior to theirs.
Is that what people against homeschooling think is going on with
homeschoolers?
If they say it is happening, they will be telling the truth.
Those kids are taught to fear other information as coming from Satan, so how
will they be rescued from that subgroup? And it is NOT a small group.
They teach their kids to laugh at science and make fun of it. They teach
them that science is just another religion, with no basis but that Satan is
trying to tempt good Christians (them) to doubt God's word. If fossils seem
older than 6000 years, that's because Satan MADE them seem older. (Or
there's another theory, that God set that out as a test, and good Christians
will know not to go there.)
It doesn't make me want to send my kids to school, but it does make me feel
pretty resentful when people hear we're homeschooling and a vision of those
isolationist liars comes to their minds and I have to defend myself, again.
<<They spank little boys for touching themselves and make them pray to not
be so bad and dirty.
<<I'm pretty sure physical, mental and emotional abuse is harmful to
children. I don't understand why anyone would spend one minute
defending this type of thing.>>
And many have guns, and have told their children the godless heathens "out
there" are lying in wait to get them. That's more minor, but will
eventually play out at that edge where young men start to doubt what they
were told, but have nothing yet to replace it with.
Sandra
Sorcha
>>>They teach their kids to laugh at science and make fun of it.<<<It's been a lot of years since my parents have set foot in a church, but
my dad still makes fun of science. When I was a kid, he told me that
dinosaurs never existed and that scientists made them up by putting
pigs' bones together. He said carbon dating is completely invalid and
that it dates things which are alive as being millions of years old. He
also doesn't believe there is any danger to the environment. Really.
He thinks it's all a bunch of liberal crap from people who want him to
stop driving his minivan and eating beef. Everytime I see him, he's
making a comment about some idiot environmentalist he's heard on NPR and
how ridiculous their theories are. He might not still attend church,
but he still believes the earth is only six thousand years old and that
humans have the God-given right to do whatever they want to it, and that
Jesus is going to swoop down at any minute and make it all better.
Sorcha
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In a message dated 04/11/2003 12:07:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
large, well-established group here in town which is a statement of faith
fundamentalistic Christian Homeschooling group. (Is that specific enough?
It's certainly wordy enough.)
As a Christian, myself, but not homeschooling for that reason, I figured I
wasn't going to hold their hs'ing political agenda against them. I'd just
ignore it. Their money spent just fine and didn't we all have the same goals
at heart -- even if we went about it differently?
Wrong.
I dropped off some flyers to build up interest in an upcoming workshop, and
was told that they needed to be changed because my self-description as a
teller of multicultural tales was objectionable.
I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to ask.
True story.
Their money's not worth earning, imo, and we most assuredly DON'T have the
same goals at heart. I never went back.
Laura B.
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Cultural awareness and political correctness are hooted down HARD by theI'm a professional storyteller and have been trying to work with a very
> Christian Homescooling movement. They don't want to teach their children
> compassion and acceptance of other cultures. Not even compassion and
> awareness of other religious denominations.
>
>
large, well-established group here in town which is a statement of faith
fundamentalistic Christian Homeschooling group. (Is that specific enough?
It's certainly wordy enough.)
As a Christian, myself, but not homeschooling for that reason, I figured I
wasn't going to hold their hs'ing political agenda against them. I'd just
ignore it. Their money spent just fine and didn't we all have the same goals
at heart -- even if we went about it differently?
Wrong.
I dropped off some flyers to build up interest in an upcoming workshop, and
was told that they needed to be changed because my self-description as a
teller of multicultural tales was objectionable.
I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to ask.
True story.
Their money's not worth earning, imo, and we most assuredly DON'T have the
same goals at heart. I never went back.
Laura B.
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Deborah Lewis
***I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel
Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to
ask.***
Oooh, evil...
I wouldn't know her reasons for thinking so, but he did write some rather
juicy, nasty adult poetry.
Maybe she was afraid someone so obviously sexual would corrupt children
magically through innocent children's poems.
There were also a few poems about parents being wrong. That's probably
evil.
Deb L
Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to
ask.***
Oooh, evil...
I wouldn't know her reasons for thinking so, but he did write some rather
juicy, nasty adult poetry.
Maybe she was afraid someone so obviously sexual would corrupt children
magically through innocent children's poems.
There were also a few poems about parents being wrong. That's probably
evil.
Deb L
Backstrom kelli
Shel Silverstein wrote "adult" poetry! Gee, I never would of thunk it! Wow, I have a whole new interprettation of The Giving Tree now:) Kelli
Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...> wrote:***I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel
Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to
ask.***
Oooh, evil...
I wouldn't know her reasons for thinking so, but he did write some rather
juicy, nasty adult poetry.
Maybe she was afraid someone so obviously sexual would corrupt children
magically through innocent children's poems.
There were also a few poems about parents being wrong. That's probably
evil.
Deb L
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Deborah Lewis <ddzimlew@...> wrote:***I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel
Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to
ask.***
Oooh, evil...
I wouldn't know her reasons for thinking so, but he did write some rather
juicy, nasty adult poetry.
Maybe she was afraid someone so obviously sexual would corrupt children
magically through innocent children's poems.
There were also a few poems about parents being wrong. That's probably
evil.
Deb L
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In a message dated 4/12/03 1:41:57 AM, LauraBourdo@... writes:
<< I dropped off some flyers to build up interest in an upcoming workshop,
and
was told that they needed to be changed because my self-description as a
teller of multicultural tales was objectionable.
<<I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to ask.
<<True story. >>
Pat Farenga of Growing Without Schooling spoke at a state homeschooling
convention in North Carolina. I hope I'm telling this just right. It was at
least four years ago.
For one thing, a thousand out of two thousand (half of a huge lecture hall)
people walked out on him when he said it was crucial in unschooling for
children to be able to say they weren't interested in something right at that
moment. (I don't have the quote, but it was about kids needing to able to
say no.)
And when he was unloading books from John Holt's Book and Music (before they
sold their stuff to FUN Books) at the vendor's table which was part of his
compensation for speaking, one of the conference organizers came by, and some
books were picked back up and put back in his box. I wish I could remember
the titles, but I think there were two (maybe three) and they had to do with
the rights of children, children as whole people, like that. He wasn't
allowed to display or sell them.
Although it wasn't advertised as a Christian conference, but as a state
homeschooling conference, it was entirely run and dictated by Christian
leadership.
Pat was being treated like a boy himself! Not an unschooled boy, but a bad
Christian boy.
Sandra
<< I dropped off some flyers to build up interest in an upcoming workshop,
and
was told that they needed to be changed because my self-description as a
teller of multicultural tales was objectionable.
<<I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to ask.
<<True story. >>
Pat Farenga of Growing Without Schooling spoke at a state homeschooling
convention in North Carolina. I hope I'm telling this just right. It was at
least four years ago.
For one thing, a thousand out of two thousand (half of a huge lecture hall)
people walked out on him when he said it was crucial in unschooling for
children to be able to say they weren't interested in something right at that
moment. (I don't have the quote, but it was about kids needing to able to
say no.)
And when he was unloading books from John Holt's Book and Music (before they
sold their stuff to FUN Books) at the vendor's table which was part of his
compensation for speaking, one of the conference organizers came by, and some
books were picked back up and put back in his box. I wish I could remember
the titles, but I think there were two (maybe three) and they had to do with
the rights of children, children as whole people, like that. He wasn't
allowed to display or sell them.
Although it wasn't advertised as a Christian conference, but as a state
homeschooling conference, it was entirely run and dictated by Christian
leadership.
Pat was being treated like a boy himself! Not an unschooled boy, but a bad
Christian boy.
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/12/03 10:41:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
conference and curriculum fair. They are definitely a Christian organization
and a very large one here in NC.
Pam G.
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Although it wasn't advertised as a Christian conference, but as a stateYes, NCHE (North Carolinians for Home Education) puts on the NC yearly
> homeschooling conference, it was entirely run and dictated by Christian
> leadership.
>
>
conference and curriculum fair. They are definitely a Christian organization
and a very large one here in NC.
Pam G.
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coyote's corner
Bravo!! I know that when it hits the pocketbook - it can hurt!! We've been asked to give talks about American Indian history, however, it has to be from a Christian viewpoint - that the millions that died, the enslavements; the genocide was all worth it because the Europeans brought Jesus. I simply tell those groups that I will not change history to suit them. I know I've lost money (although - most of these folks think I should do this for free!) but I can't go down that alley w/ this kind of bull.
But still - I sure miss the money!
Janis
But still - I sure miss the money!
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: LauraBourdo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Christians AGAIN
In a message dated 04/11/2003 12:07:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
> Cultural awareness and political correctness are hooted down HARD by the
> Christian Homescooling movement. They don't want to teach their children
> compassion and acceptance of other cultures. Not even compassion and
> awareness of other religious denominations.
>
>
I'm a professional storyteller and have been trying to work with a very
large, well-established group here in town which is a statement of faith
fundamentalistic Christian Homeschooling group. (Is that specific enough?
It's certainly wordy enough.)
As a Christian, myself, but not homeschooling for that reason, I figured I
wasn't going to hold their hs'ing political agenda against them. I'd just
ignore it. Their money spent just fine and didn't we all have the same goals
at heart -- even if we went about it differently?
Wrong.
I dropped off some flyers to build up interest in an upcoming workshop, and
was told that they needed to be changed because my self-description as a
teller of multicultural tales was objectionable.
I also was instructed (INSTRUCTED) to take out a quote by Shel Silverstein
because he is evil. She didn't clarify, btw, and I was too stunned to ask.
True story.
Their money's not worth earning, imo, and we most assuredly DON'T have the
same goals at heart. I never went back.
Laura B.
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In a message dated 4/12/03 11:40:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, genant2@...
writes:
many skirts and long hair and not a stitch of make-up.. That is usually how
you can easily identify the strong fundamentalist Christian women around
here. They look like they walked off the Mayflower.
Anna had friend who was a in a fundy family. As soon as the girl got away
from her mother ( like a sleepover or play date at a friends house) the first
thing she done was to change out of her long skirt into some borrowed clothes
from her friends.. Her hair was so long and straggly.. split ends and dried
out. Every time Anna got a hair cut, this girl would beg her not to.. beg
her to grow it out. It made Anna feel bad because her friend just wanted
someone to be like her.. But, Anna still got her hair cut. One time this
girl got in trouble at school ( she had a TERRIBLE temper).. and she cried
and told her friends that she would probably have to get baptized again
because she had sinned so badly.
The little girl loved to come to our house.. She would often tell Anna how
beautful she thought I was.. LOL. Yeah, right, I am 5'3" tall and weigh 250
pounds.. But, I style my hair if I want to, I wear make-up if I want to, and
I might get dressed up in a short skirt, hose and heels. Her mother is a
lovely 5'1" and barely weighs 100 pounds.. She is naturally very beautiful
with long ( of course) black hair and shining brown eyes and a wonderful
smile. But you wont see her with anything more than a ponytail for a
"hairstyle" NO make-up, and no hemline above her knees. She downplays her
beauty, even tries to hide it. And, she "trains" her daughter to do the same.
Funny thing, when her daughter gets the chance, she puts on the most racy
outfits she can find and flirts with the boys like mad.. Imagine that :-)
Yes, I know all about fundamentalists. I KNOW them. I know that the mother
of this family beat her 15 year old son with a belt buckle and she broke all
of his collectibles because he was "idolizing" them. Yes, its horrible. But,
its not a true depiction of Christians in general.
Teresa
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writes:
> Yes, NCHE (North Carolinians for Home Education) puts on the NC yearlyYep, Ive been to that one, in Winston Salem. The thing that got me was so
> conference and curriculum fair. They are definitely a Christian
> organization
> and a very large one here in NC.
> Pam G.
>
many skirts and long hair and not a stitch of make-up.. That is usually how
you can easily identify the strong fundamentalist Christian women around
here. They look like they walked off the Mayflower.
Anna had friend who was a in a fundy family. As soon as the girl got away
from her mother ( like a sleepover or play date at a friends house) the first
thing she done was to change out of her long skirt into some borrowed clothes
from her friends.. Her hair was so long and straggly.. split ends and dried
out. Every time Anna got a hair cut, this girl would beg her not to.. beg
her to grow it out. It made Anna feel bad because her friend just wanted
someone to be like her.. But, Anna still got her hair cut. One time this
girl got in trouble at school ( she had a TERRIBLE temper).. and she cried
and told her friends that she would probably have to get baptized again
because she had sinned so badly.
The little girl loved to come to our house.. She would often tell Anna how
beautful she thought I was.. LOL. Yeah, right, I am 5'3" tall and weigh 250
pounds.. But, I style my hair if I want to, I wear make-up if I want to, and
I might get dressed up in a short skirt, hose and heels. Her mother is a
lovely 5'1" and barely weighs 100 pounds.. She is naturally very beautiful
with long ( of course) black hair and shining brown eyes and a wonderful
smile. But you wont see her with anything more than a ponytail for a
"hairstyle" NO make-up, and no hemline above her knees. She downplays her
beauty, even tries to hide it. And, she "trains" her daughter to do the same.
Funny thing, when her daughter gets the chance, she puts on the most racy
outfits she can find and flirts with the boys like mad.. Imagine that :-)
Yes, I know all about fundamentalists. I KNOW them. I know that the mother
of this family beat her 15 year old son with a belt buckle and she broke all
of his collectibles because he was "idolizing" them. Yes, its horrible. But,
its not a true depiction of Christians in general.
Teresa
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marji
At 12:37 4/12/03 -0400, you wrote:
earlier, it'd be to be able to pay you every time someone wants you to LIE
to them to make THEM feel better, and you blow them off! Someone ought to
be paying you for that, and if I could have my wish, it'd be me.
Your dirt-poor patron,
Marji
P.S. Well, I created the thought-form anyway, and the metaphysical law is
that energy follows thought. You never know!
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>Bravo!! I know that when it hits the pocketbook - it can hurt!! We've beenYEAH!! Janis, if I could have one of those wishes we were talking of
>asked to give talks about American Indian history, however, it has to be
>from a Christian viewpoint - that the millions that died, the
>enslavements; the genocide was all worth it because the Europeans brought
>Jesus. I simply tell those groups that I will not change history to suit
>them. I know I've lost money (although - most of these folks think I
>should do this for free!) but I can't go down that alley w/ this kind of bull.
>But still - I sure miss the money!
>Janis
earlier, it'd be to be able to pay you every time someone wants you to LIE
to them to make THEM feel better, and you blow them off! Someone ought to
be paying you for that, and if I could have my wish, it'd be me.
Your dirt-poor patron,
Marji
P.S. Well, I created the thought-form anyway, and the metaphysical law is
that energy follows thought. You never know!
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sablehs
4/12/03 10:41:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
conference and curriculum fair. They are definitely a Christian organization
and a very large one here in NC.
Pam G.
But we are trying to change it Pam with HA-NC, but we need all the help that people like you, and others who are tired of all that, can give us. Thoughts, ideas, some free time ect...
HA-NC is promoting diversity and knowledge for it's members much like NHEN is. We don't want to be seen as preferring any one way, so that everyone feels welcome to join.
But just know there are a couple of unschoolers on the board {I am 1}. So we are very happy to include unschooling as part of knowledge we want to pass along, and welcome all religious beliefs or lack there of.
Tracy
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Although it wasn't advertised as a Christian conference, but as a stateYes, NCHE (North Carolinians for Home Education) puts on the NC yearly
> homeschooling conference, it was entirely run and dictated by Christian
> leadership.
>
>
conference and curriculum fair. They are definitely a Christian organization
and a very large one here in NC.
Pam G.
But we are trying to change it Pam with HA-NC, but we need all the help that people like you, and others who are tired of all that, can give us. Thoughts, ideas, some free time ect...
HA-NC is promoting diversity and knowledge for it's members much like NHEN is. We don't want to be seen as preferring any one way, so that everyone feels welcome to join.
But just know there are a couple of unschoolers on the board {I am 1}. So we are very happy to include unschooling as part of knowledge we want to pass along, and welcome all religious beliefs or lack there of.
Tracy
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coyote's corner
Thank you.....the smile is wonderful!!
Janis
Janis
----- Original Message -----
From: marji
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Janis (was Christians AGAIN)
At 12:37 4/12/03 -0400, you wrote:
>Bravo!! I know that when it hits the pocketbook - it can hurt!! We've been
>asked to give talks about American Indian history, however, it has to be
>from a Christian viewpoint - that the millions that died, the
>enslavements; the genocide was all worth it because the Europeans brought
>Jesus. I simply tell those groups that I will not change history to suit
>them. I know I've lost money (although - most of these folks think I
>should do this for free!) but I can't go down that alley w/ this kind of bull.
>But still - I sure miss the money!
>Janis
YEAH!! Janis, if I could have one of those wishes we were talking of
earlier, it'd be to be able to pay you every time someone wants you to LIE
to them to make THEM feel better, and you blow them off! Someone ought to
be paying you for that, and if I could have my wish, it'd be me.
Your dirt-poor patron,
Marji
P.S. Well, I created the thought-form anyway, and the metaphysical law is
that energy follows thought. You never know!
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