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In a message dated 3/22/03 1:01:25 PM, ladyeliza_r@... writes:

<< if I threw out the TV (and I'm tempted to often
when all they want to do is watch cartoons) >>

Brace yourself. <g>

I expect a defense of cartoons to follow.

Sandra

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SandraDodd@... writes:
> << if I threw out the TV (and I'm tempted to often
> when all they want to do is watch cartoons) >>
>
> Brace yourself. <g>
> I expect a defense of cartoons to follow.


I'll go first! <G>

Duncan has a vocabulary that most college students would envy. Mostly from
CARTOONS!

He recognizes MANY musical scores---especially opera---from CARTOONS!

He knows state capitals, history, math, physics---TONS of stuff---from
CARTOONS!

SO many deep discussions about friendships and relationships and bigotry and
cultures and customs and languages and ANVILS and all SORTS of other stuff
have begun because of CARTOONS!

It's AMAZING that so many people seem intent on bashing cartoons. They're
obviously NOT watching them!

Duncan's seven.

~Kelly


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zenmomma *

>>>I expect a defense of cartoons to follow.>>

Ahh, where should I start? :o)

Casey and her understanding of cartoon physics vs. earth-bound physics from
watching Looney Toons?

Conor's research of the ancient Japanese myth that Dragonball Z is based on?

Maybe the stories and 100's of drawings Casey has made of Hamtarro or her
love of Edgar Allan Poe that started from a Simpsons episode?

Or how about Conor's unending fascination with the science and technology of
robotics that is nurtured through Gundam Wing? He loves trying to design his
own working robots and checks out Wired, Popular Science and loads of books
for ideas after wtching this show.

Those are just a few examples of what my kids have done with their cartoon
exposure. It doesn't even begin to describe all the wonderful conversations
we've had about cartooning, animation, background music, comic timing,
slapstick comedy, irony, wordplay, etc.

I think cartons are cool. ;-)

Life is good.
~Mary

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earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly alive."

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LOL not that there isn't a place for mindless
braincandy in the guise of cartoons...I do think
people need some downtime where they don't have to
think so hard but I just object to much of the crud
that is passed off as entertainment and as being "ok"
just because it's animation.

Elizabeth



--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/22/03 1:01:25 PM,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
> << if I threw out the TV (and I'm tempted to often
> when all they want to do is watch cartoons) >>
>
> Brace yourself. <g>
>
> I expect a defense of cartoons to follow.
>
> Sandra
>


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>>I think cartons are cool. ;-)>>

Cartons of cartoons of course. <g>

Life is good.
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In a message dated 3/22/03 3:01:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ladyeliza_r@... writes:

> **** Well, we use the TV quite a bit. PBS, Discovery,
> TLC, Food Network (my 3 year old LOVES Emeril "I watch
> BAM! Mommy?!), National Geographic shows, Nova, A&E,
> History Channel...there is SO much on there that is
> great. Sarah is an audio learner and while she may not
> pay attention to something that is on TV, she'll later
> come up to us talking about something she heard about
> sharks, or whatever.
>
> Me, if I threw out the TV (and I'm tempted to often
> when all they want to do is watch cartoons)

My boys watch cartoons along with the other channels like Food Network and
Animal Planet. It is their choice. I try to see the value in all TV. When
I was young I watched a lot of cartoons as well and my parents let me have
that choice. I think I turned out OK. I guess I believe it is all there for
them to use. Cartoons are there like books, and nature walks, the kitchen,
and LEGOs. Just one more thing available to them.
Pam G.


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Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema

At 12:38 PM 3/22/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>LOL not that there isn't a place for mindless
>braincandy in the guise of cartoons...I do think
>people need some downtime where they don't have to
>think so hard but I just object to much of the crud
>that is passed off as entertainment and as being "ok"
>just because it's animation.

I'd respond, but I'm too busy spluttering Oreo fragments all over the desk
from reading this.
Wow, okay. Off to the kitchen for a towel and a quick desk clean-up.
I suppose I did need a bit of a chuckle this morning, but you should warn a
person!

(For those of you seeking Oreo-spluttering-braincandy trivia, the average
distance of a spluttered Oreo fragment resulting from 'braincandy' quote
instigation, seems to be approximately a foot and half.)
HeidiWD

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In a message dated 3/22/2003 2:36:41 PM Central Standard Time,
zenmomma@... writes:


> Casey and her understanding of cartoon physics vs. earth-bound physics from
> watching Looney Toons?
>

Or Newton in a Bottle (for younger kids)! My two love it. Dragon Tales,
Blues Clues and the best recently was Elmo Visists the Firehouse. My four
years of badgering to get a smoke detector upstairs is nothing compaired to
the allout assault they have raised since we rented that one.

My brother (37) insists he learned all he did about classical music through
cartoons. My son (4) can watch Fantasia and tell you where the music comes
from and sometimew who the composer is.

I hope someone more skillful than me rises to the challenge to defend
cartoons.

Elizabeth


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In a message dated 3/22/2003 4:24:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ladyeliza_r@... writes:


> LOL not that there isn't a place for mindless
> braincandy in the guise of cartoons...I do think
> people need some downtime where they don't have to
> think so hard


Then you REALLY aren't watching cartoons! They're FULL of hard-thinking.

but I just object to much of the crud
> that is passed off as entertainment and as being "ok"
> just because it's animation.

For example?????

~Kelly


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Elizabeth Roberts

Hmmmm sounds like you've done your science experiement
for the day...physics? there's some math in that as
well... :-)

E
--- Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema <heidi@...> wrote:
> At 12:38 PM 3/22/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >LOL not that there isn't a place for mindless
> >braincandy in the guise of cartoons...I do think
> >people need some downtime where they don't have to
> >think so hard but I just object to much of the crud
> >that is passed off as entertainment and as being
> "ok"
> >just because it's animation.
>
> I'd respond, but I'm too busy spluttering Oreo
> fragments all over the desk
> from reading this.
> Wow, okay. Off to the kitchen for a towel and a
> quick desk clean-up.
> I suppose I did need a bit of a chuckle this
> morning, but you should warn a
> person!
>
> (For those of you seeking
> Oreo-spluttering-braincandy trivia, the average
> distance of a spluttered Oreo fragment resulting
> from 'braincandy' quote
> instigation, seems to be approximately a foot and
> half.)
> HeidiWD
>
>


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From: kbcdlovejo@...
<<It's AMAZING that so many people seem intent on bashing cartoons. They're
obviously NOT watching them!>>


Exactly! I am still amazed, after years of watching the cartoons my kids like, how much history, music, foreign language, science, grammer and who know's how many other things they cram into cartoons these days. I know the ones I used to watch were never like that. My kids come up with things all the time that I know they had to get from tv. And right now, that means mostly cartoons.

Mary B



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Elizabeth Roberts

Take Animaniacs...popular children's cartoon...the
characters are rude to each other, obnoxious,
foul-mouthed (they may not swear but that's beside the
point); the Simpsons, SouthPark and others are
marketed to kids when the content is adult...

Yes there are many great cartoons for kids,
DragonTales, Blue's Clues, Dora The Explorer; but I
also find alot of political correctness and whatnot
being taught that I object to.

For what the kids DO watch, we talk about quite a bit.
And I'll admit, there is a difference between what
I'll allow and what my husband would allow. For
example, Yu-Gi-Oh. He sees it as a math game and "just
fantasy" but while I can see that in it, it also
promotes fighting and sorcery.

Sorry if I stirred up a bee's nest, I don't mean to
ruffle feathers. If we don't approve of something, we
just turn it.

E
--- kbcdlovejo@... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/22/2003 4:24:09 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
>
> > LOL not that there isn't a place for mindless
> > braincandy in the guise of cartoons...I do think
> > people need some downtime where they don't have to
> > think so hard
>
>
> Then you REALLY aren't watching cartoons! They're
> FULL of hard-thinking.
>
> but I just object to much of the crud
> > that is passed off as entertainment and as being
> "ok"
> > just because it's animation.
>
> For example?????
>
> ~Kelly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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In a message dated 3/22/03 8:22:26 PM !!!First Boot!!!, SandraDodd@...
writes:


> I expect a defense of cartoons to follow.
>
> Sandra
>

Lots of great classical music in cartoons!

Beth


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Sorcha

Egad. I let my kids watch all sorts of cartoons, from Blues Clues to
the Simpsons to Spongebob, and they've even caught an episode of South
Park, which didn't harm them but isn't on very often in our household
because I can't stomach large doses of it (it's not even the politics of
it that bother me, but the fact that I don't enjoy having someone's
political opinion shoved down my throat *quite* that much. I can
stomach the political commentary of the Simpsons, but South Park is too
much).

But there is one cartoon I'd prefer my kids not watch. Rocket Power.

It's not forbidden, but I hate that show. They've seen it, and a few
weeks ago in Borders my son asked for a Rocket Power sticker book and I
bought it. But I'd really rather they not watch it, and I've
conveniently found more interesting things to entice them with while
it's on. My complaint about it isn't religious or moral; it's simply
that the kids on the show make fun of reading and learning and being
smart. It really irritates me. But if it was someone's favorite, I
guess I'd have to get used to it.

Sorcha


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In a message dated 3/22/03 1:40:06 PM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:

<< SO many deep discussions about friendships and relationships and bigotry
and
cultures and customs and languages and ANVILS >>

Can he sing the national anthem of Anvilania, from Animaniacs?

That wordlessly teaches kids about the value of anthems, national pride,
music's power to invoke mode and emotion, about public relations... It
doesn't have to be discussed one bit. There it is.

Sandra

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In a message dated 3/22/03 2:24:23 PM, ladyeliza_r@... writes:

<< LOL not that there isn't a place for mindless
braincandy in the guise of cartoons...I do think
people need some downtime where they don't have to
think so hard but I just object to much of the crud
that is passed off as entertainment and as being "ok"
just because it's animation. >>

Some cartoons aren't great.
Some books aren't great, but have you banned books?

Do you consider reading good books to be "downtime"?

I could ask more questions, but for now I will say that until you reexamine
your own beliefs, unschooling won't flow.

Sandra

Elizabeth Roberts

Books...magazines...newspapers...labels off a shampoo
bottle...I'm known to go into withdrawl if I don't
have something to read!! Downtime?!Heck YEAH!! If
there is one thing that I have EVER been passionate
about it's books and reading!!! Censor a book? Nope.
Expose them to something inappropriate before they are
ready? Nope. Read it with them and discuss it when
they are? Absolutely!

I do realize that my children may very well have
different opinions than me as they grow, and I can
handle that. They may enjoy things I wouldn't at all,
so what? We're different people. Already my oldest,
who just turned 7, has stated emphatically that she
will NEVER be a reader like I am. I've already told
her that's all fine and dandy but she still needs to
BE ABLE TO READ.

I am a visual/kinestheic learner and Sarah is an
auditory learner. So what? Am I holding her back by
making sure she knows how to read? Not at all. I'm
giving her computer software based phonics instruction
and everything else we can think of INCLUDING her
attendence at a local public school under an IEP for
language arts tutoring.


My best learning experiences growing up were ones I
took upon myself. I want that for my children as they
grow older and have a firm foundation of reading,
writing, mathematics and a basic understanding of
history and sciences.

I may not be unschooling them at the moment, and we
may never totally forgo any sort of written
curriculum, and while we're totally enjoying the
curriculum we are using right now I don't want it to
be everything they learn from or how; but that doesn't
mean that unschooling won't work for us.

E




--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/22/03 2:24:23 PM,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
> << LOL not that there isn't a place for mindless
> braincandy in the guise of cartoons...I do think
> people need some downtime where they don't have to
> think so hard but I just object to much of the crud
> that is passed off as entertainment and as being
> "ok"
> just because it's animation. >>
>
> Some cartoons aren't great.
> Some books aren't great, but have you banned books?
>
> Do you consider reading good books to be "downtime"?
>
> I could ask more questions, but for now I will say
> that until you reexamine
> your own beliefs, unschooling won't flow.
>
> Sandra
>


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In a message dated 3/22/2003 3:42:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ladyeliza_r@... writes:

> Yes there are many great cartoons for kids,
> DragonTales, Blue's Clues, Dora The Explorer;

Am I the only one who is mourning the departure of Steve from Blue's clues?
I can't relax with Joe; he smiles too much. He's like one of those animated
characters where the sun keeps glinting off his teeth. I don't trust him,
and I miss Steve. And I'm not just saying this because I have a pneumonia
induced fever.

Carol, who doesn't normally get worked up over toddler shows...


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In a message dated 3/22/03 7:43:32 PM, ladyeliza_r@... writes:

<< I am a visual/kinestheic learner and Sarah is an
auditory learner. So what? Am I holding her back by
making sure she knows how to read? Not at all. I'm
giving her computer software based phonics instruction
and everything else we can think of INCLUDING her
attendence at a local public school under an IEP for
language arts tutoring. >>

This isn't unschooling.
Are you interested in unschooling, or only maybe way down the line as you
first indicated?

=-
My best learning experiences growing up were ones I
took upon myself. I want that for my children as they
grow older and have a firm foundation of reading,
writing, mathematics and a basic understanding of
history and sciences. -=-

My children have all that without having been taught.
So one thing my children have that yours won't, if you keep on your current
path, is the certain knowledge that they can, themselves, learn something big
and difficult.

All my children can read. They learned on their own. Not in a vaccuum, but
not with lessons and instruction, either.

-=-I don't want it to
be everything they learn from or how; but that doesn't
mean that unschooling won't work for us. -=-

It won't work for you if you don't try it.

Sandra

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Don't forget CyberChase on PBS. You'll find all kinds of math on it - my 3 year old is picking things up from that show.

Karen


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Elizabeth Roberts

Nope! I liked Steve better myself..he may have been
kinda serious and geeky, but that was part of his
charm!!

Elizabeth

--- sognokids@... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/22/2003 3:42:32 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
> > Yes there are many great cartoons for kids,
> > DragonTales, Blue's Clues, Dora The Explorer;
>
> Am I the only one who is mourning the departure of
> Steve from Blue's clues?
> I can't relax with Joe; he smiles too much. He's
> like one of those animated
> characters where the sun keeps glinting off his
> teeth. I don't trust him,
> and I miss Steve. And I'm not just saying this
> because I have a pneumonia
> induced fever.
>
> Carol, who doesn't normally get worked up over
> toddler shows...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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From: Elizabeth Roberts
<<Take Animaniacs...popular children's cartoon...the
characters are rude to each other, obnoxious,
foul-mouthed (they may not swear but that's beside the
point>>



Three of my four kids loved Animaniacs. In fact they learned and still learn more history from there than anywhere else right now. My kids aren't rude to each other, obnoxious or foul mouthed. Go figure!

Mary B


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Elizabeth Roberts

I would not be here if I wasn't interested in learning
more about unschooling, which as I understand it is
letting your child find and develop their interests,
and letting them learn from whatever source that works
for them be it television, books, instruction from
another person, games, cooking, shopping, observation
of nature and even prepared curricula and lessons such
as with music and dance! Not insisting "You can only
learn about this right now because that's what you're
supposed to learn about in whatever governmental
school grade level you'd be in based on their rules."

As I have said, I am in a unique situation in which I
can not totally throw out curricula...at least with my
oldest child; but my three year old isn't going to
learn to read if he doesn't learn the alphabet and the
sounds that letters make either through me, Sesame
Street, computer games or even his sister playing
school with him. There has to be some sort of
instruction somewhere.

E


--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/22/03 7:43:32 PM,
> ladyeliza_r@... writes:
>
> << I am a visual/kinestheic learner and Sarah is an
> auditory learner. So what? Am I holding her back by
> making sure she knows how to read? Not at all. I'm
> giving her computer software based phonics
> instruction
> and everything else we can think of INCLUDING her
> attendence at a local public school under an IEP for
> language arts tutoring. >>
>
> This isn't unschooling.
> Are you interested in unschooling, or only maybe way
> down the line as you
> first indicated?
>
> =-
> My best learning experiences growing up were ones I
> took upon myself. I want that for my children as
> they
> grow older and have a firm foundation of reading,
> writing, mathematics and a basic understanding of
> history and sciences. -=-
>
> My children have all that without having been
> taught.
> So one thing my children have that yours won't, if
> you keep on your current
> path, is the certain knowledge that they can,
> themselves, learn something big
> and difficult.
>
> All my children can read. They learned on their
> own. Not in a vaccuum, but
> not with lessons and instruction, either.
>
> -=-I don't want it to
> be everything they learn from or how; but that
> doesn't
> mean that unschooling won't work for us. -=-
>
> It won't work for you if you don't try it.
>
> Sandra
>


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This is a very common theme in programs for school-age children.
Mary Ellen

----- snip----- it's simply that the kids on the show make fun of reading
and learning and being smart.

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In a message dated 3/22/2003 10:41:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ladyeliza_r@... writes:
> As I have said, I am in a unique situation in which I
> can not totally throw out curricula...at least with my
> oldest child;

Sure you can. We all have! And EACH of us is in a unique situation.

but my three year old isn't going to
> learn to read if he doesn't learn the alphabet and the
> sounds that letters make either through me, Sesame
> Street, computer games or even his sister playing
> school with him. There has to be some sort of
> instruction somewhere.


Read more and post less.

Those are all examples of learning (ooooh, except maybe that "playing school"
part!). There does NOT have to ANY "sort of instruction". There should be
opportunities---and those are everywhere, staring you in the face, every day
(and night).

If he's surrounded by books and reading, he'll learn when he's ready. We
promise.

~Kelly



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Mary

From: Elizabeth Roberts
<<If there is one thing that I have EVER been passionate
about it's books and reading!!! Censor a book? Nope.
Expose them to something inappropriate before they are
ready? Nope. Read it with them and discuss it when
they are? Absolutely!>>



How could you possibly know when your kids are ready for something that they aren't exposed to so they can chose on their own? You monitor what they can see when they can see it. You could be keeping them from all sorts of interests you may never know they have. And if the time comes that you do introduce these interests to them, you may have missed the window for them when it would have been interesting. And what about things that interest you and not them? Will they have to sit through it because you think they should?




<<I do realize that my children may very well have
different opinions than me as they grow, and I can
handle that. They may enjoy things I wouldn't at all,
so what? We're different people.Already my oldest,
who just turned 7, has stated emphatically that she
will NEVER be a reader like I am. I've already told
her that's all fine and dandy but she still needs to
BE ABLE TO READ.>>



Opinions are one thing, interests are something totally different. When children are young, one of the best ways to encourage them to find their interests is by providing all sorts of things for them to look at, hear, smell and taste. They are the best judge of what interests them. They pick apart small pieces of what they see and hear to discover their own interests.
And did you ever think that by making your daughter read, because YOU say she needs to be able to, is why she feels the way she does about not reading like you?




<<I am a visual/kinestheic learner and Sarah is an
auditory learner. So what? Am I holding her back by
making sure she knows how to read? Not at all. I'm
giving her computer software based phonics instruction
and everything else we can think of INCLUDING her
attendence at a local public school under an IEP for
language arts tutoring.>>

Yes you probably are. By not letting her discover all this on her own, you may very well be squashing her interests and not letting her discover how wonderful it is to learn on one's own. Just because you really want to.




<<My best learning experiences growing up were ones I
took upon myself. I want that for my children as they
grow older and have a firm foundation of reading,
writing, mathematics and a basic understanding of
history and sciences>>

I think we all can agree on what you have said here. But what you say and think seem to be different than what you are telling us you do with your children. If learning and growing on your own were the best experiences, then why restrict tv and make a point to tell you children they really need to read. Probably before they are even ready to do so and are interested in it. I fyou want that for your children, then why not let them have it?




<<I may not be unschooling them at the moment, and we
may never totally forgo any sort of written
curriculum, and while we're totally enjoying the
curriculum we are using right now I don't want it to
be everything they learn from or how; but that doesn't
mean that unschooling won't work for us.>>



Well no you aren't unschooling now and if you can't even see yourself gettting rid of the curriculum, then you won't ever be unschooling. And it does mean that unschooling won't work for you. People unschool here every day and it works. When you come into this defending school stuff, not seeing anything else but in school terms, then it seems as if you are unwilling to look at what unschooling really is.

Mary B





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Dawn Ackroyd

Reminds me of a story. One day my 3 year old daughter and I were going
into a store. As we got out of the car she said to me, "Mom, let's
pretend there isn't any gravity in this story." I was surprised she even
knew the word. I asked her what would happen to us in that store if we
didn't have any gravity to see if she really knew what she was talking
about and she started in on explaining what it would be like. Her eyes
were a-blaze and she was so animated!! She told me about how she's like
to float around the earth rather than being stuck to it because of
gravity. She had learned all about gravity from The Magic School Bus.

This was the beginning of me realizing all the stuff she was learning
from TV. It has only grown from there.

One day she came into our room in the night to tell us she had just had
a nightmare. I asked her to tell me about it and she told me how a
capybara (sp?) was chasing her. I had never heard of a capybara before
and started asking her questions about it...and she looked at me like I
was an idiot and finally said, "Mom, do you know what I'm talking
about?" I told her I didn't know what a capybara is and she kindly
explained what kind of animal it was, and how it walked and what it ate,
etc. She had learned about this on Zaboomafoo. I had never even heard of
the darn thing!

Dawn

-----Original Message-----
From: ejcrewe@... [mailto:ejcrewe@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 2:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] "evil" TV?


In a message dated 3/22/2003 2:36:41 PM Central Standard Time,
zenmomma@... writes:


> Casey and her understanding of cartoon physics vs. earth-bound physics
from
> watching Looney Toons?
>

Or Newton in a Bottle (for younger kids)! My two love it. Dragon
Tales,
Blues Clues and the best recently was Elmo Visists the Firehouse. My
four
years of badgering to get a smoke detector upstairs is nothing compaired
to
the allout assault they have raised since we rented that one.

My brother (37) insists he learned all he did about classical music
through
cartoons. My son (4) can watch Fantasia and tell you where the music
comes
from and sometimew who the composer is.

I hope someone more skillful than me rises to the challenge to defend
cartoons.

Elizabeth


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Elizabeth Roberts

Yes, that's a favorite of Sarah's right now. Another
was Wishbone, it had been a good program although not
animated. I wouldn't mind reruns of that one!

E

--- Betjeman and Barton Tea Merchants
<karen@...> wrote:
> Don't forget CyberChase on PBS. You'll find all
> kinds of math on it - my 3 year old is picking
> things up from that show.
>
> Karen
>
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From: sognokids@...
<<Am I the only one who is mourning the departure of Steve from Blue's clues?
I can't relax with Joe; he smiles too much. He's like one of those animated
characters where the sun keeps glinting off his teeth. I don't trust him,
and I miss Steve. And I'm not just saying this because I have a pneumonia
induced fever.>>
No you are not alone. My kids watched Blue's Clues when they were little. It was always Steve. Then recently my Alyssa discovered tv and also Blue's Clues. Well Joseph and Sierra started watching it along with her. They also have a renewed interest in Dora too. Anyway, none of us like Joe. (from tv not to be confused with my husband!) I can't really put my finger on what it is.....but I know it's not Steve. Even Alyssa prefers Steve and she was totally new to this. Luckily here we still have more Steve shows than Joe. I'm sure they are reruns but since my kids stopped watching a while ago, they are all new to us!!!

Mary B




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Elizabeth Roberts

sadly that is true.
E

--- nellebelle <nellebelle@...> wrote:
> This is a very common theme in programs for
> school-age children.
> Mary Ellen
>
> ----- snip----- it's simply that the kids on the
> show make fun of reading
> and learning and being smart.
>
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