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We have a dog called Tarzan, part black lab and part retriever, who is a
little less than a year old. Without going into too much graphic detail, he
has always provided us with an astronomical amount to scoop in the yard.
We've tried different foods, to no avail. He's healthier than he has a right
to be, no worms or any other problems. Are there any dog experts out there
who could give me some advice?

Thanks,
Carol, literally "pooped out!"


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[email protected]

In a message dated 3/13/2003 1:40:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sognokids@... writes:

> We have a dog called Tarzan, part black lab and part retriever, who is a
> little less than a year old. Without going into too much graphic detail,
> he
> has always provided us with an astronomical amount to scoop in the yard.
> We've tried different foods, to no avail. He's healthier than he has a
> right
> to be, no worms or any other problems. Are there any dog experts out there
>
> who could give me some advice?
>
>
We switched to Pedigree small crunchy bites at the advice of our Vet, we had
been feeding Eukenuba. It seemed to help a LOT.


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[email protected]

In a message dated 3/13/2003 1:40:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sognokids@... writes:


> We have a dog called Tarzan, part black lab and part retriever, who is a
> little less than a year old. Without going into too much graphic detail,
> he
> has always provided us with an astronomical amount to scoop in the yard.
> We've tried different foods, to no avail. He's healthier than he has a
> right
> to be, no worms or any other problems. Are there any dog experts out there
>
> who could give me some advice?
>

What does he weigh? What are you feeding him? How much are you feeding him?

And you realize that a "black lab" IS a "retriever"? <g>

~Kelly


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athom

--- In [email protected], sognokids@a... wrote:
<>Without going into too much graphic detail, he has always provided
us with an astronomical amount to scoop in the yard.<>

Carol:

The food we used with our black Lab was Ken-L-Biskit, which is listed
as a Premium dog food in The Dog Food Book. This food was
recommended to us by a breeder who had about 16 Labs on her small
urban property for precisely the low amount of waste it produced
while still giving her show animals excellent nutrition. Shop around
and see who carries this in your area and try it.

Here is one acceptable way to recycle dog waste:

"Animal Waste Composting

Dog waste should not be put in the garbage. Here's a simple way you
can turn dog waste into compost.

Dig a hole (Approx 3' x 3') in a corner of your back yard away from
any food crops you may have and cover it with a plastic lid from an
old garbage can or compost bin. Then empty the dog waste into the
hole daily; now and then add water and some Septo-Bac, an enzyme-
active biological compound formulated to increase the digestion rate
of sewage.

After several years, the finished compost can be dug out and placed
in a hole around ornamental shrubs, and covered with dirt. There are
also animal waste composters on the market."

Norma

Tia Leschke

> We have a dog called Tarzan, part black lab and part retriever, who is a
> little less than a year old. Without going into too much graphic detail,
he
> has always provided us with an astronomical amount to scoop in the yard.
> We've tried different foods, to no avail. He's healthier than he has a
right
> to be, no worms or any other problems. Are there any dog experts out
there
> who could give me some advice?

I've noticed that the cheaper foods tend to "go right through". They have
to eat more to get the nutrition they need. Our dog gets the BARF diet,
(meaty) bones and raw food. His poop is minimal, mostly white (from all the
bones) and crumbles and dissolves into the lawn in his yard. We don't go in
there for anything, so I can get away with scooping only when we need to mow
the grass.
Tia

zenmomma *

>>Without going into too much graphic detail, he has always provided us with
>>an astronomical amount to scoop in the yard.>>

Do you have any other animals in the house? When our dog was doing
(doo-doo-ing?) this we found out she had been getting into the guinea pig's
food. Lots of extra fiber.

Life is good.
~Mary

"The miracle is not to walk on water. The miracle is to walk on the green
earth, dwelling deeply in the present moment and feeling truly alive."

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Shyrley

sognokids@... wrote:

> We have a dog called Tarzan, part black lab and part retriever, who is a
> little less than a year old. Without going into too much graphic detail, he
> has always provided us with an astronomical amount to scoop in the yard.
> We've tried different foods, to no avail. He's healthier than he has a right
> to be, no worms or any other problems. Are there any dog experts out there
> who could give me some advice?
>
> Thanks,
> Carol, literally "pooped out!"
>

Some dogs are just like that. I reckon they have a black hole inside them somewhere that delivers poo.
You could try a raw meat diet. I noticed mine prodeuced less fertilizer and it was smaller and harder.

Shyrley

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Thanks to everyone who replied to my woes about my dog, Tarzan. The
latest food we've tried is Nutro Max, which was lower in fiber. We feed 4
cups a day, which is what the bag suggested for a 60 pound dog. Previously
we've fed him Science Diet, but we later found out it has a lot of corn in it
which can upset many dogs. Then we switched to corn-free Canadae, but none
of these foods have made a difference.

I've heard about the BARF diet, but I would have no clue what to give him.
Can anyone give this queasy vegetarian an idea of what Tarzan would need
each day?

Thankfully, Tarzan hasn't gotten into any other animal food, We have a
lot of animals here (3 dogs, three cats, seven frogs, a fish, a rabbit, a
cockatiel and a snake!). But because Tarzan is "enthusiastic," to put it
kindly, he's an outdoor dog. He does get hold of things he shouldn't and
chews them up. He ate part of a doormat one day, and a bit of soccer ball
after that. Would that account for the mess in the backyard?

Thanks for all your help.
Carol (By the way, is it common for cats to drool? One of our cats just
drools buckets when she's happy. She's such a love, and very much a lap cat,
but holding her gets a bit damp after a while!)


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Karin

> We have a dog called Tarzan, part black lab and part retriever, who is a
> little less than a year old. Without going into too much graphic detail,
he
> has always provided us with an astronomical amount to scoop in the yard.
> We've tried different foods, to no avail. He's healthier than he has a
right
> to be, no worms or any other problems. Are there any dog experts out
there
> who could give me some advice?
>
> Thanks,
> Carol, literally "pooped out!"


I don't know the answer to this question, but you might try posting it on a
list I'm on called Wellpet.
It is a forum for natural pet care, though. Don't know if you're into that
or not.
Here's the address:

http://www.listservice.net/wellpet/index.htm


Karin

Karin

> He does get hold of things he shouldn't and
> chews them up. He ate part of a doormat one day, and a bit of soccer ball
> after that. Would that account for the mess in the backyard?

There's a good chance that it would cause irritation in his intestines.
I think I would have some serious problems if I ate part of a doormat and a
bit of soccer ball, too! ;-)


> Carol (By the way, is it common for cats to drool? One of our cats just
> drools buckets when she's happy. She's such a love, and very much a lap
cat,
> but holding her gets a bit damp after a while!)

Our cat drools while she purrs and paw treads. She goes on top of me when
I'm in bed at night and does this as near to my face as I will let her get!
I think the drooling is a reflex from when they were kittens and nursing. So
that when they are paw treading and purring, it makes them remember how
content they were when they nursed as kittens. Could be wrong, though.

Karin

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 3:48:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
curtkar@... writes:

> I don't know the answer to this question, but you might try posting it on a
> list I'm on called Wellpet.
>

Thanks, Karin! I just subscribed and I'm eager to learn more. I firmly
believe in natural remedies, and have seen great results. We were told that
my beloved little dog Anya would have to have surgery to correct a limp in
her leg. With just a few doses of a homeopathic remedy that cost me less
than $10, Anya has been absolutely fine ever since!

Carol


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Tia Leschke

>
> I've heard about the BARF diet, but I would have no clue what to give
him.
> Can anyone give this queasy vegetarian an idea of what Tarzan would need
> each day?

Here's a page that might help.
http://www.willowglen.com/barf.htm
>
Tia

sablehs

--- Karin <curtkar@...> wrote:
>
> >>
> I don't know the answer to this question, but you might try
> posting it on a
> list I'm on called Wellpet.
> It is a forum for natural pet care, though. Don't know if you're
> into that
> or not.
> Here's the address:
>
> http://www.listservice.net/wellpet/index.htm
>

Thanks for that!!
I got a book titled "The Encyclopedia of Natural Pet Care" and
really like the info.
Along with having several pets, some that have wondered up{living in
the country},we also rehab small mammals later to be released
{mainly squirrels}, from time to time when someone gets in touch
after finding them. {I don't go out looking for them because I have
a husband who is very empathic to suffering, so when they don't make
it, it is very hard on him} Anyway I have carried it over to
rehabbing as well. I make collidal silver from time to time for us
and have carried it over and use it on our animals.
Tracy {as always please excuse mis-spellings}


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Karin

>
> Thanks, Karin! I just subscribed and I'm eager to learn more. I firmly
> believe in natural remedies, and have seen great results. We were told
that
> my beloved little dog Anya would have to have surgery to correct a limp in
> her leg. With just a few doses of a homeopathic remedy that cost me less
> than $10, Anya has been absolutely fine ever since!
>
> Carol


I love hearing success stories with natural remedies. I'm glad you were able
to help Anya successfully.
I hope you enjoy the list and find it helpful. :-)

Karin

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This is something I know about! lol We have a 13 month old Siberian Husky who
is on a barf diet. It's very healthy for them especially if they are an
outdoor dog. Our dog mostly stays in because she is spoiled! Along with the
barf diet she eats carrots, broccoli, buffalo meat (her favorite) and cottage
cheese..she basically eats better than we do sometimes! This diet is however
something you really want to look into before starting because if you do not
do it properly then you can do more harm to your dog than good. So check it
out. Kim
Bones and Raw Foods
www.barfdiet.com
All the information you need about barf diet vs. commercial foods and many
links to barf diets sites, chats and more.

<< I've heard about the BARF diet, but I would have no clue what to give
him.

Can anyone give this queasy vegetarian an idea of what Tarzan would need

each day?

>>

[email protected]

In a message dated 13/03/2003 15:51:47 Pacific Standard Time,
sognokids@... writes:


> I've heard about the BARF diet, but I would have no clue what to give him.
> Can anyone give this queasy vegetarian an idea of what Tarzan would need
> each day?
>

Hello!! I feed my dogs the BARF diet, 1 8yrold German Shepherd, and 2
schipperkes. The love it, their teeth are spotless, the poop is waaaayyy
less, and the dogs are happier. I figure it takes about the same amount of
time it used to take to go to the pet store for the premium food. Could help
with the behaviour as well. The dogs seem to settle down emotionally a bit
more when the food is more natural. Don't we all?
Nancy in BC
Good Luck!


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Connie Stillwell

the BARF diet

Thank you for this. I have a young Jack Russell who is a very picky eater. I give him beaf stew, eggs, etc. mixed in with small amounts of commercial food. I have been questioning how many eggs per week was too many. All good. : )

I am going back to read about the shots issue. Does anyone here not have his/her dogs up-to-date on those? I would like to hear more about that.

I do have some Jack Russell books, but the "putting the dog on a feeding schedule" didn't work for him. That was when I started giving him "real food".

You may e-mail me privately.

Thank you,

Connie




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evelyns92

--- In [email protected], sognokids@a... wrote:
(By the way, is it common for cats to drool? One of our cats just
> drools buckets when she's happy. She's such a love, and very much
a lap cat,
> but holding her gets a bit damp after a while!)

We have 7 cats, among other critters, and they ALL drool. When they
are happy they purr, make biscuits and slobber. I also get very damp
when more than one of them gets on top of me (sometimes all 7 at
once!) LOL Just know that you are a good owner, they know it and they
show their love back to you! Sara

Mary

In [email protected], sognokids@a... wrote:

<<(By the way, is it common for cats to drool? One of our cats just
drools buckets when she's happy. She's such a love, and very much
a lap cat, but holding her gets a bit damp after a while!)>>



That's odd to me. I've never seen a cat drool unless they were stressed or angry. I think I rather prefer it that way! <BG>

Mary B





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[email protected]

In a message dated 3/13/2003 6:52:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sognokids@... writes:

> We feed 4 cups a day, which is what the bag suggested for a 60 pound dog.

Please keep in mind that dog food companies (and their bags) are trying to
sell dog food! Four cups a day will probably give you a VERY fat dog!

I've heard really good things about BARF---but as a veg-head, you might be
squeamish about preparation.

Slow growth and keeping him on the slim side are important for a retriever
(making those bones grow too quickly and added weight can result in serious
problems). I'd certainly cut back on the amount you're feeding---by almost
half---maybe a cup to a cup and a quarter twice a day.

(I'm writing all this without seeing him, but that sounds like A LOT of food
for a lab!)

~Kelly


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athom

--- In [email protected], "Mary" <mummy124@b...>
wrote:
> In [email protected], sognokids@a... wrote:
<<(By the way, is it common for cats to drool? One of our cats just
drools buckets when she's happy. She's such a love, and very much
a lap cat, but holding her gets a bit damp after a while!)>>

That's odd to me. I've never seen a cat drool unless they were
stressed or angry. I think I rather prefer it that way! <BG>
>
> Mary B

Yes, cats drool. Keep a towel handy to catch it when she is being
happy and lappy. It is called hypersalivation, can be treated
homeopathically if you think it is a big problem. Email me off list
for a suggestion if you are interested.

Norma

Norma

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:07:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

> We feed 4 cups a day, which is what the bag suggested for a 60 pound dog.
>

We have four black labs and a boxer puppy. We have always feed the labs
(raised from babies) basically "on demand". They always have fresh food and
water available. The get "cookies" one or two times a day during play time.
They are not overweight dogs and they eat as much as they want and walk away.

Kinda the concept I got when I was nursing my babies, I was always worried
they wouldn't get enough or I couldn't tell how much they ate, so if they
wanted to nurse, I let them, for however long they wanted, then I knew they
would be full and well nourished.

Some dogs might overeat given the chance, especially if they've been used to
a certain amount each day, so I'm not sure if this change would help you.

It just made it easier for me to be assured that all four labs are well fed
and getting enough.


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[email protected]

In a message dated 3/14/2003 8:23:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rubyprincesstsg@... writes:

> We have four black labs and a boxer puppy. We have always feed the labs
> (raised from babies) basically "on demand". They always have fresh food
> and
> water available. The get "cookies" one or two times a day during play
> time.
> They are not overweight dogs and they eat as much as they want and walk
> away

I completely understand the "free feed" method. I did it when I was a child.
I have many friends that still do it. BUT...

They're dogs. They can't speak. One of the best indications that a dog is
sick is water and food intake. A dog's instinct is to NOT show
weakness/sickness---so he may not show you any other signs than being off his
food or, especially, water. If my dogs aren't finished in less that two
minutes, we need to check them out. If I have to fill up the water bowl more
than once---or not at all---during the day, something's up, and it's serious.

~Kelly


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[email protected]

In a message dated 3/14/2003 9:10:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

> They're dogs. They can't speak. One of the best indications that a dog is
> sick is water and food intake. A dog's instinct is to NOT show
> weakness/sickness---so he may not show you any other signs than being off
> his
> food or, especially, water. If my dogs aren't finished in less that two
> minutes, we need to check them out. If I have to fill up the water bowl
> more
> than once---or not at all---during the day, something's up, and it's
> serious

Since I've raised these dogs from birth, I know their eating habits and I too
can tell when something is amiss with one of them.

I think you can get a sense for your animals, especially when you are around
them 24 hours a day, they even sleep in my room (and sneak up on the bed when
they think we are asleep, like a 60 pound dog can really sneak!).

So I agree that you have to know your pet and their habits. I have seen some
dogs that apparently over eat, or maybe my sons insists that they give them
too much people food that is just bad for them. It just hasn't been our
experience. Our dogs eat people food, they love fresh fruit and veggies as
snacks and occasionally I'm sure the neighbor child slips them a bite of
something she doesn't really want.


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Tia Leschke

> I've heard really good things about BARF---but as a veg-head, you might be
> squeamish about preparation.

It's not too big a deal. I buy various kinds of meaty bones, divide them
into meal size portions, and then freeze them (on a cookie sheet). Feeding
dinner just means pulling a frozen clump of them off the cookie sheet and
throwing them on the floor or outside in his yard.
>
> Slow growth and keeping him on the slim side are important for a retriever
> (making those bones grow too quickly and added weight can result in
serious
> problems). I'd certainly cut back on the amount you're feeding---by almost
> half---maybe a cup to a cup and a quarter twice a day.
>
> (I'm writing all this without seeing him, but that sounds like A LOT of
food
> for a lab!)

You can feel for their ribs. You should be able to feel the individual ribs
easily. If you *really* start being able to feel the ribs, you need to feed
more. I hadn't realized how much food Toby needs when Rod takes him out to
work with him in the bush. He runs most of the day. When he went almost
every day for a week I noticed him getting skinnier. Now I feed him more
on those days.
Tia

Mary

From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]

<<Please keep in mind that dog food companies (and their bags) are trying to
sell dog food! Four cups a day will probably give you a VERY fat dog!

I've heard really good things about BARF---but as a veg-head, you might be
squeamish about preparation.

Slow growth and keeping him on the slim side are important for a retriever
(making those bones grow too quickly and added weight can result in serious
problems). I'd certainly cut back on the amount you're feeding---by almost
half---maybe a cup to a cup and a quarter twice a day.

(I'm writing all this without seeing him, but that sounds like A LOT of food
for a lab!)>>

I tend to agree here. Labs also have a tendency to get overweight. We have a Bullmastiff who goes at around 110lbs right now, although still young, he gets 5 cups a day and is in good health and weight.

Mary B





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[email protected]

In a message dated 3/14/2003 10:06:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mummy124@... writes:

> I'd certainly cut back on the amount you're feeding---by almost
> half---maybe a cup to a cup and a quarter twice a day.

Another thing that concerns me about Tarzan is the fact he inhales his food.
He acts like he hasn't eaten in a month and nearly knocks me to the ground
when I go out to feed him. He could eat his regular bowl of food, and then
if I offered him another bowl, he would still eat like he was starving. Is
this a symptom of something I'm missing? And he's skinny enough now, so I
can't imagine feeding him just over two cups a day.

Puzzled,
Carol


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Mary

From: sognokids@...



In a message dated 3/14/2003 10:06:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
mummy124@... writes:

> I'd certainly cut back on the amount you're feeding---by almost
> half---maybe a cup to a cup and a quarter twice a day.

<<Another thing that concerns me about Tarzan is the fact he inhales his food.
He acts like he hasn't eaten in a month and nearly knocks me to the ground
when I go out to feed him. He could eat his regular bowl of food, and then
if I offered him another bowl, he would still eat like he was starving. Is
this a symptom of something I'm missing? And he's skinny enough now, so I
can't imagine feeding him just over two cups a day.>>



I didn't write that first part. Although I would suggest cutting down on the food, I wouldn't do it all of a sudden or just start at 2 and half cups. Gradually lessen the amount by a half a cup. You might want to try and change the food also. What he's on might not seem as filling as maybe something else would. All dogs are different. And also just because he's woofing down his food doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong. Some dogs just do that. I have a little Beagle that can outeat my Bullmastiff any day. She can eat fast and I assume probably more if I let her. She has a tendency to become overweight and acts like she's never fed. She's a real nut that one.

Mary B




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[email protected]

In a message dated 3/14/2003 2:17:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mummy124@... writes:


> . Some dogs just do that. I have a little Beagle that can outeat my
> Bullmastiff any day. She can eat fast and I assume probably more if I let
> her. She has a tendency to become overweight and acts like she's never fed.
> She's a real nut that one.

Breed trait! <G>

~Kelly


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Mary

----- Original Message -----
From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Way OT dog question


In a message dated 3/14/2003 2:17:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mummy124@... writes:


> . Some dogs just do that. I have a little Beagle that can outeat my
> Bullmastiff any day. She can eat fast and I assume probably more if I let
> her. She has a tendency to become overweight and acts like she's never fed.
> She's a real nut that one.

Breed trait! <G>

~Kelly




Thanks!! Why didn't you tell me that before we got her!!! <BG>

Mary B


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