"what church"?
Have a Nice Day!
My daughter met two nice girls at an extra curricular activity. She wants to get together with them.
I saw her again tonight and we were supposed to discuss when they could get together. She didni't bring her calendar. We did talk a little bit though and she readily admits she is in no hurry to do this. (But she is also in no hurry to pursue the gymnastics either...(she told me that too).
Out of the clear blue sky, she asked me "If you don't mind my asking, what church you attend?".
(sigh). Even when I was a devout fundamentalist Christian, strangers never asked me that question. Obviously that is a priority for her and given her cautious nature, I'm beginning to draw some conclusions.
The ironic thing about this is that I *was* considering attending a church just because I miss the fellowship, but that would not make me a Christian. And yet, if I had said "I attend such and such church" she would have felt much more sure of me.
Then she started talking about how the gymnasium that our daughters attend does not do child abuse checks on the adults that work there. It was something I hadn't thought much about. I'm there when my girls are in gymnastics so I see everything that goes on, and my youngest does have a male coach.
What bothers me though is that she said she thinks she is going to push for the gymnasium to do background checks on everyone who works there.
I'm still getting to know her so I don't want to jump to any conclusions.
The silver lining in all of this is that I can honestly say that I'm totally happy with how we live and I don't feel the need to apologize or defend it. If someone is uncomfortable with us, thats just ok with me.
I guess only time will tell how things progress.
Kristen
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I saw her again tonight and we were supposed to discuss when they could get together. She didni't bring her calendar. We did talk a little bit though and she readily admits she is in no hurry to do this. (But she is also in no hurry to pursue the gymnastics either...(she told me that too).
Out of the clear blue sky, she asked me "If you don't mind my asking, what church you attend?".
(sigh). Even when I was a devout fundamentalist Christian, strangers never asked me that question. Obviously that is a priority for her and given her cautious nature, I'm beginning to draw some conclusions.
The ironic thing about this is that I *was* considering attending a church just because I miss the fellowship, but that would not make me a Christian. And yet, if I had said "I attend such and such church" she would have felt much more sure of me.
Then she started talking about how the gymnasium that our daughters attend does not do child abuse checks on the adults that work there. It was something I hadn't thought much about. I'm there when my girls are in gymnastics so I see everything that goes on, and my youngest does have a male coach.
What bothers me though is that she said she thinks she is going to push for the gymnasium to do background checks on everyone who works there.
I'm still getting to know her so I don't want to jump to any conclusions.
The silver lining in all of this is that I can honestly say that I'm totally happy with how we live and I don't feel the need to apologize or defend it. If someone is uncomfortable with us, thats just ok with me.
I guess only time will tell how things progress.
Kristen
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Mary Bianco
Can't say I've ever had anyone ask me what church I belonged to. I'm sure I
would just say I don't. If they had a problem with that, then they're not
someone I would want to be around anyway.
As far as the other thing she's concerned with. I think everyone who works
with children should have background checks done on them. It's not that hard
to do aside from the cost of them. Way too many people with offenses against
children are walking around out there just looking for an opportunity again.
Churches and schools are sometimes the worst when it comes to checking. They
just don't.
Mary B
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would just say I don't. If they had a problem with that, then they're not
someone I would want to be around anyway.
As far as the other thing she's concerned with. I think everyone who works
with children should have background checks done on them. It's not that hard
to do aside from the cost of them. Way too many people with offenses against
children are walking around out there just looking for an opportunity again.
Churches and schools are sometimes the worst when it comes to checking. They
just don't.
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From: Mary Bianco
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] "what church"?
Can't say I've ever had anyone ask me what church I belonged to. I'm sure I
would just say I don't. If they had a problem with that, then they're not
someone I would want to be around anyway.
As far as the other thing she's concerned with. I think everyone who works
with children should have background checks done on them. It's not that hard
to do aside from the cost of them. Way too many people with offenses against
children are walking around out there just looking for an opportunity again.
Churches and schools are sometimes the worst when it comes to checking. They
just don't.
Mary B
You are probably right. And normally I would have thought of it, but I guess since I'm there and I'm watching (and if I'm not, there are other parents who are and the coaches never know whose parents are there). So I figured under these circumstances, its probably ok.
In any case, I don't have any problem with it. I think it was more the way she told me combined with her other concerns that made me wonder if she would ever really feel comfortable with us.
Kristen
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On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 09:08 AM, Mary Bianco wrote:
started chatting with me in line and asked me what church we go to. It
was very odd and made me really uncomfortable because we were having a
perfectly nice conversation and I didn't want it to turn into her
proselytizing, which is what it felt like suddenly was about to happen.
I asked her where she goes - then made some comment about knowing
somebody who goes to that church and directed the conversation away
from me and never had to say we don't.
-pam
> Can't say I've ever had anyone ask me what church I belonged to. I'mHappened to me YESTERDAY. In Walmart. A very sweet girl - maybe 20 -
> sure I
> would just say I don't.
started chatting with me in line and asked me what church we go to. It
was very odd and made me really uncomfortable because we were having a
perfectly nice conversation and I didn't want it to turn into her
proselytizing, which is what it felt like suddenly was about to happen.
I asked her where she goes - then made some comment about knowing
somebody who goes to that church and directed the conversation away
from me and never had to say we don't.
-pam
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In a message dated 3/7/2003 12:39:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
is, but I do have to add that it is VERY common, especially in the South for
someone to ask "what church do you go to?" and often it's not even directed
act religion. It's looking for common ground. Like finding a long third or
fourth cousin connection. Or asking what neighborhood you live in.
Sometimes it might be with other things in mind, but I know many times it is
very innocent and almost ALWAYS happens if I meet someone when I am at my
MIL's for a festival or something. A person from town will think they might
know me or someone I know and of course everyone but the heathen go to church
in that small town so they figure they know someone who DOES go where you go.
They don't say, you seem so perfectly nice, you must be church going folk,
who do we have in common? It's just "where do you all go to church?"
Haven't encountered it so much around here in what I refuse to call Northern
VA.
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pamsoroosh@... writes:
> Happened to me YESTERDAY. In Walmart. A very sweet girl - maybe 20 -I personally don't think you should go around asking what religion someone
> started chatting with me in line and asked me what church we go to. It
> was very odd and made me really uncomfortable because we were having a
> perfectly nice conversation and I didn't want it to turn into her
> proselytizing, which is what it felt like suddenly was about to happen.
> I asked her where she goes - then made some comment about knowing
> somebody who goes to that church and directed the conversation away
> from me and never had to say we don't.
>
> -pam
>
is, but I do have to add that it is VERY common, especially in the South for
someone to ask "what church do you go to?" and often it's not even directed
act religion. It's looking for common ground. Like finding a long third or
fourth cousin connection. Or asking what neighborhood you live in.
Sometimes it might be with other things in mind, but I know many times it is
very innocent and almost ALWAYS happens if I meet someone when I am at my
MIL's for a festival or something. A person from town will think they might
know me or someone I know and of course everyone but the heathen go to church
in that small town so they figure they know someone who DOES go where you go.
They don't say, you seem so perfectly nice, you must be church going folk,
who do we have in common? It's just "where do you all go to church?"
Haven't encountered it so much around here in what I refuse to call Northern
VA.
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Have a Nice Day!
Oh, I understand that its usually for a topic of conversation etc, but this was different.
It was obvious because of how it fell in the conversation and the way she asked that she was interviewing me in order to screen the wrong people from her daughters.
Kristen
It was obvious because of how it fell in the conversation and the way she asked that she was interviewing me in order to screen the wrong people from her daughters.
Kristen
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From: rubyprincesstsg@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] "what church"?
In a message dated 3/7/2003 12:39:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pamsoroosh@... writes:
> Happened to me YESTERDAY. In Walmart. A very sweet girl - maybe 20 -
> started chatting with me in line and asked me what church we go to. It
> was very odd and made me really uncomfortable because we were having a
> perfectly nice conversation and I didn't want it to turn into her
> proselytizing, which is what it felt like suddenly was about to happen.
> I asked her where she goes - then made some comment about knowing
> somebody who goes to that church and directed the conversation away
> from me and never had to say we don't.
>
> -pam
>
I personally don't think you should go around asking what religion someone
is, but I do have to add that it is VERY common, especially in the South for
someone to ask "what church do you go to?" and often it's not even directed
act religion. It's looking for common ground. Like finding a long third or
fourth cousin connection. Or asking what neighborhood you live in.
Sometimes it might be with other things in mind, but I know many times it is
very innocent and almost ALWAYS happens if I meet someone when I am at my
MIL's for a festival or something. A person from town will think they might
know me or someone I know and of course everyone but the heathen go to church
in that small town so they figure they know someone who DOES go where you go.
They don't say, you seem so perfectly nice, you must be church going folk,
who do we have in common? It's just "where do you all go to church?"
Haven't encountered it so much around here in what I refuse to call Northern
VA.
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Sorcha
I, too, would just say I don't. If she's someone who won't tolerate any
religion other than her own, then I wouldn't want to be friends in the
first place. I wouldn't want her or her kids making snide comments to
my kids about our religious choices and if she wouldn't want to be
friends if she knew we weren't the same religion, it's better to have
that out in the open rather than have her drop us later, after the kids
are attached to each other. When people proselytize at me, I usually
just say, "I'm happy with my own religion, thank you." Religion is
something about which almost everyone has an opinion, and we all think
we're right (I mean, in a country with so many religions, if we thought
our own was wrong, we'd convert to the religion - or non-religion - we
thought was right). So arguing about it is pointless; it's only going
to result in hurt feelings all around.
My son had surgery in January and a really sweet nursing assistant was
playing with him and asked if he went to school. I just said "no"
because he's still a bit under compulsory age, but my husband
volunteered the fact that we're homeschoolers. Well, she must have
thought that meant we shared her religious beliefs, because she started
talking about how she'd homeschool too if she had kids and then she gave
my son a book about Jesus. I didn't say anything to her because it
wasn't the time or place to discuss our religious beliefs, but my
husband and I were very uncomfortable.
Before my son had his surgery (he had a tumor on his neck that was very
noticeable) we were traveling in the south and two women came over to us
in a fried chicken place and started telling us we needed to anoint him
with sweet oil and bless him in the name of Jesus so his tumor would go
away. One of them even pulled out a bottle of oil from her purse and
shoved it into my hand. She asked if I knew Jesus, and I just said,
"Yes" because 1. I grew up Christian, so it's not really a lie, and 2. I
didn't want to hear whatever speech she gives people who say "no". My
husband was completely freaked out by these women, but I grew up
Pentecostal, and I knew they were just trying to be nice.
Sorcha
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religion other than her own, then I wouldn't want to be friends in the
first place. I wouldn't want her or her kids making snide comments to
my kids about our religious choices and if she wouldn't want to be
friends if she knew we weren't the same religion, it's better to have
that out in the open rather than have her drop us later, after the kids
are attached to each other. When people proselytize at me, I usually
just say, "I'm happy with my own religion, thank you." Religion is
something about which almost everyone has an opinion, and we all think
we're right (I mean, in a country with so many religions, if we thought
our own was wrong, we'd convert to the religion - or non-religion - we
thought was right). So arguing about it is pointless; it's only going
to result in hurt feelings all around.
My son had surgery in January and a really sweet nursing assistant was
playing with him and asked if he went to school. I just said "no"
because he's still a bit under compulsory age, but my husband
volunteered the fact that we're homeschoolers. Well, she must have
thought that meant we shared her religious beliefs, because she started
talking about how she'd homeschool too if she had kids and then she gave
my son a book about Jesus. I didn't say anything to her because it
wasn't the time or place to discuss our religious beliefs, but my
husband and I were very uncomfortable.
Before my son had his surgery (he had a tumor on his neck that was very
noticeable) we were traveling in the south and two women came over to us
in a fried chicken place and started telling us we needed to anoint him
with sweet oil and bless him in the name of Jesus so his tumor would go
away. One of them even pulled out a bottle of oil from her purse and
shoved it into my hand. She asked if I knew Jesus, and I just said,
"Yes" because 1. I grew up Christian, so it's not really a lie, and 2. I
didn't want to hear whatever speech she gives people who say "no". My
husband was completely freaked out by these women, but I grew up
Pentecostal, and I knew they were just trying to be nice.
Sorcha
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Sorcha
>>and of course everyone but the heathen go to churchin that small town<<
So what do they say to people who actually *are* Heathen (members of the
Asatru religion)? Heathens must have the most fun, answering that
question with "Actually, I'm Heathen and I worship Thor. We don't have
churches, we have blots."
Sorcha
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In a message dated 3/7/03 10:48:52 AM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< it is VERY common, especially in the South for
someone to ask "what church do you go to?" and often it's not even directed
act religion. It's looking for common ground. Like finding a long third or
fourth cousin connection. Or asking what neighborhood you live in. >>
You're very generous with your opinion.
I think more often than you think it IS religious business. It's like a
secret handshake. If you name the right kind of church, the conversation
continues more merrily. If you name the wrong kind, the conversation is
going to dwindle. But if you say you haven't found a church yet that is the
VERY best answer of all because they can invite you to their church which (at
least among Baptists) is both courtesy, virtue and proslytizing.
And if you say you don't go to church, it's straight to witnessing to your
soul.
It's a win/win situation for the questioner, in that context.
Sandra, former Baptist
<< it is VERY common, especially in the South for
someone to ask "what church do you go to?" and often it's not even directed
act religion. It's looking for common ground. Like finding a long third or
fourth cousin connection. Or asking what neighborhood you live in. >>
You're very generous with your opinion.
I think more often than you think it IS religious business. It's like a
secret handshake. If you name the right kind of church, the conversation
continues more merrily. If you name the wrong kind, the conversation is
going to dwindle. But if you say you haven't found a church yet that is the
VERY best answer of all because they can invite you to their church which (at
least among Baptists) is both courtesy, virtue and proslytizing.
And if you say you don't go to church, it's straight to witnessing to your
soul.
It's a win/win situation for the questioner, in that context.
Sandra, former Baptist
Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
>They don't say, you seem so perfectly nice, you must be church going folk,It probably *is* just someone looking for common ground. In some
>who do we have in common? It's just "where do you all go to church?"
communities in Michigan, asking's as common as breathing and it seems that
everyone knows where everyone else goes to church! I still find it
invasive sometimes, because of the assumptions it makes (#1 being that
everyone believes in their deity.) Sometimes church-goin'-folk don't get
that perfectly nice people don't go to church or are (gasp) atheist or
etc. It's really and truly outside their comprehension.
Speaking of which: My sister-in-law, during the rehearsal for their
wedding asked me where I go to church. I laughed and said "Oh, honey. I'm
atheist!" Stunned her completely. All she could say was Really? (about 5
times) and "You're so nice!" I told her she's actually surrounded by
atheists in her everyday life and most of us are pretty nice, but I think
she was still dealing with the juxtaposition of me, atheism and
niceness. She still looks at me funny sometimes.
For the door-knockers, I say my goddess is the one that gave birth to their
god and, by the way, She wants to know why he hasn't returned Her
calls! It's very rude and that's not the way she raised him up. (or some
other nagging-mother-stereotype phrase) They usually don't know why, and
generally leave.
If I just don't want to deal, I say Global Congregationalist. It sounds
churchy but all it is is the idea of folks around the globe, living in
peace together. (cue the violins and harps.)
HeidiWD
Have a Nice Day!
>>> If you name the right kind of church, the conversationcontinues more merrily. If you name the wrong kind, the conversation is
going to dwindle. But if you say you haven't found a church yet that is the
VERY best answer of all because they can invite you to their church which (at
least among Baptists) is both courtesy, virtue and proslytizing.
And if you say you don't go to church, it's straight to witnessing to your
soul.<<<
LOL!
I said "We don't go to church right now".
I wonder what that will lead to? I think I have her confused because we homeschool. I'm guessing that for the moment she is assuming we are Christians, since most homeshcoolers in this area are.
Kristen
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Have a Nice Day!
Here's another good one:
"We worship at home".
Kristen
"We worship at home".
Kristen
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From: Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] "what church"?
>They don't say, you seem so perfectly nice, you must be church going folk,
>who do we have in common? It's just "where do you all go to church?"
It probably *is* just someone looking for common ground. In some
communities in Michigan, asking's as common as breathing and it seems that
everyone knows where everyone else goes to church! I still find it
invasive sometimes, because of the assumptions it makes (#1 being that
everyone believes in their deity.) Sometimes church-goin'-folk don't get
that perfectly nice people don't go to church or are (gasp) atheist or
etc. It's really and truly outside their comprehension.
Speaking of which: My sister-in-law, during the rehearsal for their
wedding asked me where I go to church. I laughed and said "Oh, honey. I'm
atheist!" Stunned her completely. All she could say was Really? (about 5
times) and "You're so nice!" I told her she's actually surrounded by
atheists in her everyday life and most of us are pretty nice, but I think
she was still dealing with the juxtaposition of me, atheism and
niceness. She still looks at me funny sometimes.
For the door-knockers, I say my goddess is the one that gave birth to their
god and, by the way, She wants to know why he hasn't returned Her
calls! It's very rude and that's not the way she raised him up. (or some
other nagging-mother-stereotype phrase) They usually don't know why, and
generally leave.
If I just don't want to deal, I say Global Congregationalist. It sounds
churchy but all it is is the idea of folks around the globe, living in
peace together. (cue the violins and harps.)
HeidiWD
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In a message dated 3/7/2003 1:12:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sorcha-aisling@... writes:
your BIGGEST religious no no is attending that "catholic church I hear they
have a bar in the basement!".
But you are right that some people look down their noses at the Baptists, and
some just want to convert you and others hope beyond hope that you are
Methodist like them and so on...
It really is quite amusing when you think about how much energy they put into
this sort of thing in small towns.
But in defense of the Churches, I will say when there is a tragedy or need in
a family, the church member usually come through in a big way to help support
the family that is in crisis in these small towns. (as long as it isn't drug
related or any of those "bad" things I guess)
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sorcha-aisling@... writes:
> So what do they say to people who actually *are* Heathen (members of theI think that would be hysterical, but not likely to happen in a town where
> Asatru religion)? Heathens must have the most fun, answering that
> question with "Actually, I'm Heathen and I worship Thor. We don't have
> churches, we have blots."
>
your BIGGEST religious no no is attending that "catholic church I hear they
have a bar in the basement!".
But you are right that some people look down their noses at the Baptists, and
some just want to convert you and others hope beyond hope that you are
Methodist like them and so on...
It really is quite amusing when you think about how much energy they put into
this sort of thing in small towns.
But in defense of the Churches, I will say when there is a tragedy or need in
a family, the church member usually come through in a big way to help support
the family that is in crisis in these small towns. (as long as it isn't drug
related or any of those "bad" things I guess)
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In a message dated 3/7/03 11:05:14 AM, sorcha-aisling@... writes:
<< two women came over to us
in a fried chicken place and started telling us we needed to anoint him
with sweet oil and bless him in the name of Jesus so his tumor would go
away. One of them even pulled out a bottle of oil from her purse >>
I was sad to read she pulled oil out. I thought the fried chicken was going
to be a factor in the upcoming oil moment!
<<She asked if I knew Jesus, and I just said,
"Yes" because 1. I grew up Christian, so it's not really a lie, and 2. I
didn't want to hear whatever speech she gives people who say "no". My
husband was completely freaked out by these women, but I grew up
Pentecostal, and I knew they were just trying to be nice.>>
My Hindu boyfriend and I were crossing campus,rushing to get to a movie once
in the long ago 1970's and were stopped by a group of Jesus Freaks with a big
(big) sack of day-old Dunkin Donuts.
They said "Do you know Jesus?"
And I said, "Yes, I'm saved!" or some appropriate "let us go to the movie
now" response, and they said, "Praise the Lord, then pray with us" (or some
irritating Jesus Freak stalling "prove-it" tactic). So we huddled around a
sack of donuts, prayed, got a donut and went to the movie.
The purpose of the sack of donuts, for those who are young or never
experienced fundamentalist tactics, was this: for one thing, Jesus said feed
the poor.
for a tax-thing, Dunkin Donuts could donate leftover donuts in one of the big
flour bags that the mix comes in to Jesus Freaks and write it off as a real
donation.
for a wondrous rhetorical thing, though, they say "Do you want a donut?"
Unsuspecting sinner says, "Sure! Thanks!"
And they say Jesus is handing out eternal life, just like that. "Do you want
eternal life?" and all you have to say is "Sure! Thanks!" and they go from
there.
Youth ministers with little Baptists will hold out a silver dollar
(so-called, meaning nowadays a Susan B. or Sacajawea in that bronzy color),
or a big(ger) fifty cent piece, and they'll say "Who wants this?"
And if a kid is brave enough to say "I do," or to go up and claim it, the
"See? Jesus is offering eternal life and all you have to do is say "Yes, I
want that."
Sandra
<< two women came over to us
in a fried chicken place and started telling us we needed to anoint him
with sweet oil and bless him in the name of Jesus so his tumor would go
away. One of them even pulled out a bottle of oil from her purse >>
I was sad to read she pulled oil out. I thought the fried chicken was going
to be a factor in the upcoming oil moment!
<<She asked if I knew Jesus, and I just said,
"Yes" because 1. I grew up Christian, so it's not really a lie, and 2. I
didn't want to hear whatever speech she gives people who say "no". My
husband was completely freaked out by these women, but I grew up
Pentecostal, and I knew they were just trying to be nice.>>
My Hindu boyfriend and I were crossing campus,rushing to get to a movie once
in the long ago 1970's and were stopped by a group of Jesus Freaks with a big
(big) sack of day-old Dunkin Donuts.
They said "Do you know Jesus?"
And I said, "Yes, I'm saved!" or some appropriate "let us go to the movie
now" response, and they said, "Praise the Lord, then pray with us" (or some
irritating Jesus Freak stalling "prove-it" tactic). So we huddled around a
sack of donuts, prayed, got a donut and went to the movie.
The purpose of the sack of donuts, for those who are young or never
experienced fundamentalist tactics, was this: for one thing, Jesus said feed
the poor.
for a tax-thing, Dunkin Donuts could donate leftover donuts in one of the big
flour bags that the mix comes in to Jesus Freaks and write it off as a real
donation.
for a wondrous rhetorical thing, though, they say "Do you want a donut?"
Unsuspecting sinner says, "Sure! Thanks!"
And they say Jesus is handing out eternal life, just like that. "Do you want
eternal life?" and all you have to say is "Sure! Thanks!" and they go from
there.
Youth ministers with little Baptists will hold out a silver dollar
(so-called, meaning nowadays a Susan B. or Sacajawea in that bronzy color),
or a big(ger) fifty cent piece, and they'll say "Who wants this?"
And if a kid is brave enough to say "I do," or to go up and claim it, the
"See? Jesus is offering eternal life and all you have to do is say "Yes, I
want that."
Sandra
Have a Nice Day!
And if a kid is brave enough to say "I do," or to go up and claim it, the
"See? Jesus is offering eternal life and all you have to do is say "Yes, I
want that."<<<<
That is exactly what our former church did at a community event last fall. If the kids wanted to jump in the big moon jumper, they had to listen to a jesus story and fill out a card with their address, etc. on it.
Kristen
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"See? Jesus is offering eternal life and all you have to do is say "Yes, I
want that."<<<<
That is exactly what our former church did at a community event last fall. If the kids wanted to jump in the big moon jumper, they had to listen to a jesus story and fill out a card with their address, etc. on it.
Kristen
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Sorcha
>>not likely to happen in a town whereyour BIGGEST religious no no is attending that "catholic church I hear
they
have a bar in the basement!".<<
You'd be surprised. I meet a lot of Pagans and Heathens online who live
in the middle of the Bible Belt and are "in the closet". I used to
participate in an online religious debate board (gee, maybe that's where
I got the idea it's useless to argue religious beliefs?) and there are
more Heathens in small towns than you'd think.
>>But in defense of the Churches, I will say when there is a tragedy orneed in
a family, the church member usually come through in a big way<<
I'm all for religious communities sticking together and helping each
other. I'm sure synagogues, covens, and mosques do the same for their
members. I don't have a problem with Christians; I have a problem with
religious intolerance.
Sorcha
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[email protected]
In a message dated 3/7/2003 1:36:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sorcha-aisling@... writes:
in a general term to mean whatever organized group you belong to, that is one
of the things I find to be "a good thing" about them.
I know Pagan who are absolutely wonderful about helping out... and others
too...
Guess I am still not explaining it right... but the "church" encompasses
about any organized religion to me, it's not so much where you worship or
who, but just the "group" in general, one of the good things about belonging
to a group of like minded people I guess is what I wanted to say.
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sorcha-aisling@... writes:
> >>But in defense of the Churches, I will say when there is a tragedy orI didn't mean to single out "churches" as a Christian idea. I just used it
> need in
> a family, the church member usually come through in a big way<<
>
> I'm all for religious communities sticking together and helping each
> other. I'm sure synagogues, covens, and mosques do the same for their
> members. I don't have a problem with Christians; I have a problem with
> religious intolerance.
>
in a general term to mean whatever organized group you belong to, that is one
of the things I find to be "a good thing" about them.
I know Pagan who are absolutely wonderful about helping out... and others
too...
Guess I am still not explaining it right... but the "church" encompasses
about any organized religion to me, it's not so much where you worship or
who, but just the "group" in general, one of the good things about belonging
to a group of like minded people I guess is what I wanted to say.
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Sorcha
>>Guess I am still not explaining it right... but the "church"encompasses
about any organized religion to me, it's not so much where you worship
or
who, but just the "group" in general<<
I was saying that *you* were religiously intolerant, if that's how it
sounded. (Is there a word for that? There's racist and misogynist;
maybe there's religionist or something). I wasn't trying to pick on
you, honest.
Sorcha
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Rachel Ann
In response to some proselytizer who came to their door, one comedian,
husband of an online friend, made references to Satan. I forget the exact
nature of the question/answer, and the guy was very polite and I think
invited them in.
They ran.
I wouldn't take this approach myself, but it (or similar responses) could be
effective for the annoying and persistent.
But generally I would think one would just answer honestly, and if the
person became annoying walk away.
be well,
Rachel Ann
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husband of an online friend, made references to Satan. I forget the exact
nature of the question/answer, and the guy was very polite and I think
invited them in.
They ran.
I wouldn't take this approach myself, but it (or similar responses) could be
effective for the annoying and persistent.
But generally I would think one would just answer honestly, and if the
person became annoying walk away.
be well,
Rachel Ann
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Sorcha
>>In response to some proselytizer who came to their door, one comedian,husband of an online friend, made references to Satan.<<
Here's what I did: I made a small sign for my door that says, "If you're
selling, we aren't buying. If you're promoting a religion, we're happy
with ours. If you knock under false pretenses, we find you despicable.
Don't waste our time or your own." I put the sign up about a year ago.
We haven't had any problems since (unless you count one pizza delivery
man who was a little scared to knock because he was, after all,
*selling* pizza!).
Sorcha
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Mike Webber
My ds recently joined Beavers and no where in the registration form did it say anything about religous affliations. However when I heard some of their pledges it had references to "God" and seemed to assume a Christian belief. Maybe the group has simply been around so long that these pledges were written for Christians and at a time when that was the norm.
I personally asked about the references and was given well yeah it is there but all religions are accepted. I guess I have a problem when organizations are so set in their traditions that they can't see the real need for re-wording their belief statements. I know I could 'take a stand' and drop the group but ds loves it!
It certainly is a very common issue though of homeschooling being assoicated with religion. Often it is a deviding point of support groups in an area. One group will be open to any, all, and no religions and the other only Christian folks. I find it hard to grasp how you could feel comfortable in both. One you must their requirements before even given support the other has their arms open wide before even knowing your last name.
Marla, who is a newbie and I didn't even wait the week before I spoke up. I guess am just a rule breaker at heart.
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I personally asked about the references and was given well yeah it is there but all religions are accepted. I guess I have a problem when organizations are so set in their traditions that they can't see the real need for re-wording their belief statements. I know I could 'take a stand' and drop the group but ds loves it!
It certainly is a very common issue though of homeschooling being assoicated with religion. Often it is a deviding point of support groups in an area. One group will be open to any, all, and no religions and the other only Christian folks. I find it hard to grasp how you could feel comfortable in both. One you must their requirements before even given support the other has their arms open wide before even knowing your last name.
Marla, who is a newbie and I didn't even wait the week before I spoke up. I guess am just a rule breaker at heart.
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[email protected]
In a message dated 3/7/03 12:09:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mummyone24@... writes:
ask, sometimes even before they ask your name. LOL
Pam G
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mummyone24@... writes:
> Can't say I've ever had anyone ask me what church I belonged to.Not sure where you live but here in the south that is the first thing they
ask, sometimes even before they ask your name. LOL
Pam G
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[email protected]
In a message dated 3/7/03 1:05:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sorcha-aisling@... writes:
Pam G.
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sorcha-aisling@... writes:
> Before my son had his surgery (he had a tumor on his neck that was veryAt least she didn't pull out a snake. LOL
> noticeable) we were traveling in the south and two women came over to us
> in a fried chicken place and started telling us we needed to anoint him
> with sweet oil and bless him in the name of Jesus so his tumor would go
> away. One of them even pulled out a bottle of oil from her purse and
> shoved it into my hand.
Pam G.
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Tia Leschke
> In response to some proselytizer who came to their door, one comedian,I had a friend who saw them coming when he had just stepped out of the
> husband of an online friend, made references to Satan. I forget the exact
> nature of the question/answer, and the guy was very polite and I think
> invited them in.
> They ran.
shower. He answered the door with his towel draped over his shoulder and
got the same reaction.
Tia
Angela
O.K. I have to share this...it's rude but very funny. My dh's family hates
getting those knocks on the door from people who are prosthetalizing. (sp)
Once when dh's brother was a teen and someone knocked he was the only one
available to answer the door. His dad was in the bathroom and his mom
wasn't home. He opened the door and they asked for the man of the house.
His brother looked them in the eyes and said matter-of-factly, "he's in
taking a shit." They turned and fled saying they would come back at a more
appropriate time, but never returned. This happened 20 years ago and we are
still laughing.
Angela in Maine- mailto:unschooling@...
http://userpages.prexar.com/rickshaw/
"What you are shouts so loudly in my ears I cannot hear what you say."
Emerson
I had a friend who saw them coming when he had just stepped out of the
shower. He answered the door with his towel draped over his shoulder and
got the same reaction.
Tia
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getting those knocks on the door from people who are prosthetalizing. (sp)
Once when dh's brother was a teen and someone knocked he was the only one
available to answer the door. His dad was in the bathroom and his mom
wasn't home. He opened the door and they asked for the man of the house.
His brother looked them in the eyes and said matter-of-factly, "he's in
taking a shit." They turned and fled saying they would come back at a more
appropriate time, but never returned. This happened 20 years ago and we are
still laughing.
Angela in Maine- mailto:unschooling@...
http://userpages.prexar.com/rickshaw/
"What you are shouts so loudly in my ears I cannot hear what you say."
Emerson
I had a friend who saw them coming when he had just stepped out of the
shower. He answered the door with his towel draped over his shoulder and
got the same reaction.
Tia
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mummyone24
--- In [email protected], rubyprincesstsg@a... wrote:
<<I personally don't think you should go around asking what religion
someone is, but I do have to add that it is VERY common, especially
in the South >>
I guess I'm just a bit too far south than! <BG> Or maybe I do look
like a heathen.
Mary B
mummyone24
--- In [email protected], Have a Nice Day!
<litlrooh@c...> wrote:
<<Here's another good one:
"We worship at home".>>
How about, "we don't go to church, it's against our religion."
Mary B
<litlrooh@c...> wrote:
<<Here's another good one:
"We worship at home".>>
How about, "we don't go to church, it's against our religion."
Mary B
mummyone24
--- In [email protected], genant2@a... wrote:
<<Not sure where you live but here in the south that is the first
thing they ask, sometimes even before they ask your name. LOL>>
I'm in south Florida!
Mary B
[email protected]
In a message dated 3-7-2003 12:46:57 PM Mountain Standard Time,
mwebber@... writes:
word TRY from our vocabulary (Thank You Yoda!): *Try* is all over the ding
dang curriculum! Added to the fact the group met on an airforce base during
a turbulent time, to say the least... She doesn't miss it much, though I've
got to do a lot of camping this summer to make up for what she's missing.
There, in the Hills, we'll talk about God, so she won't miss that part,
either. :)
over in a new group and new area is requiring far more patience than I had
anticipated. The good thing is my patience has paid off and I'm feeling far
more supported than I had in my 7 months here. We met at a playland, just 4
moms and our 6 kids among us ~ ate pizza and talked about all the
grownup-homeschooling-chick-stuff, for HOURS :):):) We've had a big turnover
in the original *inclusive* group and we're still learning and determining
who we are *now*. I'm surrounded by hordes of *exclusive* support groups.
I'm saddened by their behavior and I find them not at all Christ-like. As
much as I know I am in a deeply spiritual, sacred area, I am reminded that
the roots here are deeply secured in the Bible Belt. Now that I have
maintained myself, my belief systems, a true representation of diana in the
face of their intolerance, a few have to look at me as the Heathen they
really like :) which, of course, is fine with me! I hope I've paved the way
for others to join us on our journey; learn and teach as we are, my new
friends and I. Our diversity is amazing.
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
“I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule
of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence.”
--Frederick Douglass
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mwebber@... writes:
> Their pledges it had references to "God" and seemed to assume a ChristianI struggled with this in the Brownies with dd... AND we've eliminated the
> belief. Maybe the group has simply been around so long that these pledges
> were written for Christians and at a time when that was the norm.
> I personally asked about the references and was given well yeah it is
> there but all religions are accepted. I guess I have a problem when
> organizations are so set in their traditions that they can't see the real
> need for rewording their belief statements. I know I could 'take a stand'
> and drop the group but ds loves it!
word TRY from our vocabulary (Thank You Yoda!): *Try* is all over the ding
dang curriculum! Added to the fact the group met on an airforce base during
a turbulent time, to say the least... She doesn't miss it much, though I've
got to do a lot of camping this summer to make up for what she's missing.
There, in the Hills, we'll talk about God, so she won't miss that part,
either. :)
> It certainly is a very common issue though of homeschooling beingThis is a sad truth. Slowly, slowly, slowly I'm finding my niche. Starting
> associated with religion. Often it is a dividing point of support groups in
> an area. One group will be open to any, all, and no religions and the other
> only Christian folks. I find it hard to grasp how you could feel
> comfortable in both. One you must their requirements before even given
> support the other has their arms open wide before even knowing your last
> name.
over in a new group and new area is requiring far more patience than I had
anticipated. The good thing is my patience has paid off and I'm feeling far
more supported than I had in my 7 months here. We met at a playland, just 4
moms and our 6 kids among us ~ ate pizza and talked about all the
grownup-homeschooling-chick-stuff, for HOURS :):):) We've had a big turnover
in the original *inclusive* group and we're still learning and determining
who we are *now*. I'm surrounded by hordes of *exclusive* support groups.
I'm saddened by their behavior and I find them not at all Christ-like. As
much as I know I am in a deeply spiritual, sacred area, I am reminded that
the roots here are deeply secured in the Bible Belt. Now that I have
maintained myself, my belief systems, a true representation of diana in the
face of their intolerance, a few have to look at me as the Heathen they
really like :) which, of course, is fine with me! I hope I've paved the way
for others to join us on our journey; learn and teach as we are, my new
friends and I. Our diversity is amazing.
diana,
The wackiest widow westriver...
“I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule
of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence.”
--Frederick Douglass
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djoftexas
whenever ppl approach me with some trip about their religion, seeking
to convert, i just say, "I believe Sun Myung Moon is the living
incarnation of Christ. I've been a moonie for 30 years." They just go
away very distraught. If they ask about brainwashing I just tell them
mine is drycleaned.
it was depressing when I tried to join some homeschooling group in my
small southern town years back. they had these statements of faith
that just made me want to scream. (if i bring down the wrath of
fundementalists on this list with my statements, just flame me now as
a heretic. might as well go down a cybermartyr!)
i finally found a sane group of ppl among unschoolers.
ok. so they weren't sane. but.... anyway, they were nice.
DJ (yes sandra, its me!)
to convert, i just say, "I believe Sun Myung Moon is the living
incarnation of Christ. I've been a moonie for 30 years." They just go
away very distraught. If they ask about brainwashing I just tell them
mine is drycleaned.
it was depressing when I tried to join some homeschooling group in my
small southern town years back. they had these statements of faith
that just made me want to scream. (if i bring down the wrath of
fundementalists on this list with my statements, just flame me now as
a heretic. might as well go down a cybermartyr!)
i finally found a sane group of ppl among unschoolers.
ok. so they weren't sane. but.... anyway, they were nice.
DJ (yes sandra, its me!)