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In a message dated 3/4/03 7:15:04 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< When I have an adult friend over to visit I never expect them to help me
clean up. Why should we expect differently of kids? >>

What would you do to another adult that didn't clean up? Make them? Hint?
Or just graciously clean up after your guest?

But I don't really care for the analogy, because our children aren't guests
in our home. This home belongs to them too. And they have say in how they'd
like things to be run, just like dh and I do. We don't override their needs
and vice versa.
So if they don't have a need for a very neat house and I do, it's MY problem.
That doesn't exclude asking them to think of my needs too though. But the
burden of keeping the house the way I like it should be mine.

Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."

----Frances Hodgson Burnett

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In a message dated 3/4/03 8:37:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:

> What would you do to another adult that didn't clean up? Make them? Hint?
> Or just graciously clean up after your guest?
>
> But I don't really care for the analogy, because our children aren't guests
>
> in our home.

In the scenario given the talk was centered around other children coming over
to play and leaving a mess behind. That is why I said that when I have a
friend over I don't expect them to clean up. And I just graciously clean up
thinking about what a good time we had.
Pam G.


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In a message dated 3/4/03 8:37:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:

> So if they don't have a need for a very neat house and I do, it's MY
> problem.
> That doesn't exclude asking them to think of my needs too though. But the
> burden of keeping the house the way I like it should be mine.
>
>

I just think the key word that people throw around is asking. Not you
personally Ren. In asking you have to be able to accept no or it isn't
asking.
Pam G.


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In a message dated 3/4/03 8:43:50 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< In the scenario given the talk was centered around other children coming
over
to play and leaving a mess behind. That is why I said that when I have a
friend over I don't expect them to clean up. And I just graciously clean up
thinking about what a good time we had. >>

Yes, I hugely agree with being a joyful, gracious host that doesn't focus on
the mess, but on the wonderful time spent with friends.

It just sounded like someone (I don't know who) was saying they expect their
guests to clean up, why couldn't the children?
Maybe I misread it or maybe it was someone elses post, because I've found
myself nodding in agreement with yours Pam.

Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."

----Frances Hodgson Burnett