Re: Re [Unschooling-dotcom] Intro
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In a message dated 3/4/03 11:04:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
godlovzcf@... writes:
respect them as individuals. In my opinion the statement above does not flow
with the unschooling philosophy. It is controlling another person. It is
only a choice when there is an option to say no.
Pam G.
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godlovzcf@... writes:
> . I have three little ones 6,4, and 2 and they all have choresUnschooling means you trust your children to make their own choices and
> they have to do. They have to keep their rooms clean, help with laundry.My
> oldest has other chores she does: feed the animals, help set the table and
> help clear it after every meal. She does not get allowance for doing her
> bedroom and laundry, but she does get $0.25 a week for the rest of the
> stuff.
>
respect them as individuals. In my opinion the statement above does not flow
with the unschooling philosophy. It is controlling another person. It is
only a choice when there is an option to say no.
Pam G.
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In a message dated 3/4/03 9:33:16 AM, genant2@... writes:
<< she does get $0.25 a week for the rest of the
That's hardly even money these days. You can't buy anything with twenty five
cents.
After a month she'll have a WHOLE DOLLAR!? You can't buy much with a dollar.
Candy, that's about it, or something from the dollar store.
Sandra
<< she does get $0.25 a week for the rest of the
> stuff. >>Twenty five cents, really?
That's hardly even money these days. You can't buy anything with twenty five
cents.
After a month she'll have a WHOLE DOLLAR!? You can't buy much with a dollar.
Candy, that's about it, or something from the dollar store.
Sandra
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In a message dated 3/4/03 12:33:48 PM, gemini531@... writes:
<< I also apply some of FlyLady's
principals to our unschooling routine so nobody gets overwhelmed or anxious
feeling like we "have to" get certain things done. . . .we're never behind. .
. . and don't worry about how long it takes or how long
they want to spend on any given topic, subject, or activity. >>
Doesn't sound much like unschooling if you have "behinds" and "have tos" and
topics and subjects.
Sandra
<< I also apply some of FlyLady's
principals to our unschooling routine so nobody gets overwhelmed or anxious
feeling like we "have to" get certain things done. . . .we're never behind. .
. . and don't worry about how long it takes or how long
they want to spend on any given topic, subject, or activity. >>
Doesn't sound much like unschooling if you have "behinds" and "have tos" and
topics and subjects.
Sandra
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In a message dated 3/4/03 2:33:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gemini531@... writes:
"have to get done". You do what you want, finish what you want and leave
undone what you want for next week, next year or never.
Maybe you could explain what you mean.
Pam G.
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gemini531@... writes:
> I also apply some of FlyLady'sI don't understand this statement. Unschooling should have nothing that you
> principals to our unschooling routine so nobody gets overwhelmed or anxious
> feeling like we "have to" get certain things done...
"have to get done". You do what you want, finish what you want and leave
undone what you want for next week, next year or never.
Maybe you could explain what you mean.
Pam G.
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Have a Nice Day!
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From: genant2@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Re [Unschooling-dotcom] Intro
In a message dated 3/4/03 2:33:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gemini531@... writes:
> I also apply some of FlyLady's
> principals to our unschooling routine so nobody gets overwhelmed or anxious
> feeling like we "have to" get certain things done...
I don't understand this statement. Unschooling should have nothing that you
"have to get done". You do what you want, finish what you want and leave
undone what you want for next week, next year or never.
Maybe you could explain what you mean.
Just guessing here, but maybe she *wants* a clean house, but doesn't really "want" to go through the motions to have it that way and Flylady helps her do that.
That would be my motivation if I was using flylady. (But I don't much care for flylady, so I don't :o))
Kristen
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Sorcha
My flylady rant: I was subscribed to flylady from last May until just
after Christmas. The house was much cleaner but I was also *so* much
more conscious of it. I mean, all day long, reading message after
message about clutter and how bad it is. It made me feel like all of
our stuff was clutter. I was busy "fling boogie"ing things left and
right because, you know, "you can't organize clutter". Rather than make
me more relaxed, it made me more anxious. After all, if 150,000 other
women now have spotless homes thanks to the system, why is mine
uncontrollable? It made me think of my children's belongings as
clutter. After a series of flylady messages about throwing away kid's
stuff because they don't need that much anyway and etc, I pulled out a
trash bag and decided to get rid of some stuff. My son was absolutely
horrified, and I came to my senses and realized it's not my decision to
make. And it's not helpful to constantly get emails telling me that the
kids' stuff all over the place is a bad thing.
Also, I was in a lot more pain when I was doing flylady. I injured my
back three years ago and it usually doesn't hurt. But setting a timer
and cleaning everything I can for 15 minutes straight made me want to
cry. She says "you can do anything for 15 minutes" but honestly it was
causing a lot of back pain to clean for 15 straight minutes. Maybe I
sound lazy, admitting I can't clean house for 15 minutes at a time. But
it's true and I'd always be lying on ice afterwards, or I'd get the
living room picked up and then my husband would vacuum for me while I
sat down and took aspirin. So yes, my home is much messier since I
unsubscribed, but I'm much more at peace about it without her nagging
me.
Sorcha
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after Christmas. The house was much cleaner but I was also *so* much
more conscious of it. I mean, all day long, reading message after
message about clutter and how bad it is. It made me feel like all of
our stuff was clutter. I was busy "fling boogie"ing things left and
right because, you know, "you can't organize clutter". Rather than make
me more relaxed, it made me more anxious. After all, if 150,000 other
women now have spotless homes thanks to the system, why is mine
uncontrollable? It made me think of my children's belongings as
clutter. After a series of flylady messages about throwing away kid's
stuff because they don't need that much anyway and etc, I pulled out a
trash bag and decided to get rid of some stuff. My son was absolutely
horrified, and I came to my senses and realized it's not my decision to
make. And it's not helpful to constantly get emails telling me that the
kids' stuff all over the place is a bad thing.
Also, I was in a lot more pain when I was doing flylady. I injured my
back three years ago and it usually doesn't hurt. But setting a timer
and cleaning everything I can for 15 minutes straight made me want to
cry. She says "you can do anything for 15 minutes" but honestly it was
causing a lot of back pain to clean for 15 straight minutes. Maybe I
sound lazy, admitting I can't clean house for 15 minutes at a time. But
it's true and I'd always be lying on ice afterwards, or I'd get the
living room picked up and then my husband would vacuum for me while I
sat down and took aspirin. So yes, my home is much messier since I
unsubscribed, but I'm much more at peace about it without her nagging
me.
Sorcha
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Rachel Ann
I also hated fly-lady.
First her stance, no bitching. Well, if you couldn't bitch about problems
with her system that meant her system went unchallenged. Either it works or
you didn't work, one or the other. Second, it was all up to whoever was
reading the emails; mostly women. The system was suppose to make the family
members help. HA! I went on this kick for awhile, cleaning so that when I
did the living room I was washing the floors with wood soap (Wood floors)
each week....by hand, it was so clean, and no one really helped all that
often.
Half my problem is not my stuff but others. She leaves you two choices;
leave it or toss it, if it is the kids. Well, I'm not tossing the children's
stuff, or dh's and my own stuff, basically if I keep it I want it. The
boogies (27 boogie) meant I was either tossing things I may have wanted or I
was tossing bit of paper etc. But the house is not going to look clean if my
dh doesn't do the recycle, doesn't want me to do it (he has a particular
way) and the recycle keeps flowing out of it's area and into the rest of the
house. The house isn't going to stay clean if five minutes after I've put
everything away, the kids take out their toys and spread them on the ground.
After awhile all my attention was focused on trying to keep the house clean
and i was becoming bitter and angry. I ended up working all the time to
keep it clean, feeling like a dishrag, and hating the house, the family etc.
etc. And then I would get sick, or have some other obligation that kept me
from doing my routines; the house would just collapse and become a mess, and
no one was pitching in. It just didn't work for us.
Maybe we have too many people with too much stuff for the size of the house,
but FlyLady just left me angry, not happy, and made me feel like a person
who is always on a diet, where they can think of nothing but food.
be well,
Rachel Ann
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From: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 07:43:53
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Re [Unschooling-dotcom] Intro
My flylady rant: I was subscribed to flylady from last May until just
after Christmas. The house was much cleaner but I was also *so* much
more conscious of it. I mean, all day long, reading message after
message about clutter and how bad it is. It made me feel like all of
our stuff was clutter. I was busy "fling boogie"ing things left and
right because, you know, "you can't organize clutter". Rather than make
me more relaxed, it made me more anxious. After all, if 150,000 other
women now have spotless homes thanks to the system, why is mine
uncontrollable? It made me think of my children's belongings as
clutter. After a series of flylady messages about throwing away kid's
stuff because they don't need that much anyway and etc, I pulled out a
trash bag and decided to get rid of some stuff. My son was absolutely
horrified, and I came to my senses and realized it's not my decision to
make. And it's not helpful to constantly get emails telling me that the
kids' stuff all over the place is a bad thing.
Also, I was in a lot more pain when I was doing flylady. I injured my
back three years ago and it usually doesn't hurt. But setting a timer
and cleaning everything I can for 15 minutes straight made me want to
cry. She says "you can do anything for 15 minutes" but honestly it was
causing a lot of back pain to clean for 15 straight minutes. Maybe I
sound lazy, admitting I can't clean house for 15 minutes at a time. But
it's true and I'd always be lying on ice afterwards, or I'd get the
living room picked up and then my husband would vacuum for me while I
sat down and took aspirin. So yes, my home is much messier since I
unsubscribed, but I'm much more at peace about it without her nagging
me.
Sorcha
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First her stance, no bitching. Well, if you couldn't bitch about problems
with her system that meant her system went unchallenged. Either it works or
you didn't work, one or the other. Second, it was all up to whoever was
reading the emails; mostly women. The system was suppose to make the family
members help. HA! I went on this kick for awhile, cleaning so that when I
did the living room I was washing the floors with wood soap (Wood floors)
each week....by hand, it was so clean, and no one really helped all that
often.
Half my problem is not my stuff but others. She leaves you two choices;
leave it or toss it, if it is the kids. Well, I'm not tossing the children's
stuff, or dh's and my own stuff, basically if I keep it I want it. The
boogies (27 boogie) meant I was either tossing things I may have wanted or I
was tossing bit of paper etc. But the house is not going to look clean if my
dh doesn't do the recycle, doesn't want me to do it (he has a particular
way) and the recycle keeps flowing out of it's area and into the rest of the
house. The house isn't going to stay clean if five minutes after I've put
everything away, the kids take out their toys and spread them on the ground.
After awhile all my attention was focused on trying to keep the house clean
and i was becoming bitter and angry. I ended up working all the time to
keep it clean, feeling like a dishrag, and hating the house, the family etc.
etc. And then I would get sick, or have some other obligation that kept me
from doing my routines; the house would just collapse and become a mess, and
no one was pitching in. It just didn't work for us.
Maybe we have too many people with too much stuff for the size of the house,
but FlyLady just left me angry, not happy, and made me feel like a person
who is always on a diet, where they can think of nothing but food.
be well,
Rachel Ann
-------Original Message-------
From: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 07:43:53
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Re [Unschooling-dotcom] Intro
My flylady rant: I was subscribed to flylady from last May until just
after Christmas. The house was much cleaner but I was also *so* much
more conscious of it. I mean, all day long, reading message after
message about clutter and how bad it is. It made me feel like all of
our stuff was clutter. I was busy "fling boogie"ing things left and
right because, you know, "you can't organize clutter". Rather than make
me more relaxed, it made me more anxious. After all, if 150,000 other
women now have spotless homes thanks to the system, why is mine
uncontrollable? It made me think of my children's belongings as
clutter. After a series of flylady messages about throwing away kid's
stuff because they don't need that much anyway and etc, I pulled out a
trash bag and decided to get rid of some stuff. My son was absolutely
horrified, and I came to my senses and realized it's not my decision to
make. And it's not helpful to constantly get emails telling me that the
kids' stuff all over the place is a bad thing.
Also, I was in a lot more pain when I was doing flylady. I injured my
back three years ago and it usually doesn't hurt. But setting a timer
and cleaning everything I can for 15 minutes straight made me want to
cry. She says "you can do anything for 15 minutes" but honestly it was
causing a lot of back pain to clean for 15 straight minutes. Maybe I
sound lazy, admitting I can't clean house for 15 minutes at a time. But
it's true and I'd always be lying on ice afterwards, or I'd get the
living room picked up and then my husband would vacuum for me while I
sat down and took aspirin. So yes, my home is much messier since I
unsubscribed, but I'm much more at peace about it without her nagging
me.
Sorcha
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Pamela Sorooshian
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 04:42 AM, Sorcha wrote:
big trash bag and waded into my kids' room and started putting stuff
into it that I thought was really obviously stuff they didn't care
about.
THAT very night my then-10 yo was asking if anybody knew where her
Polly-Pocket was - a little plastic toy that I never remembered seeing
her play with - I'd picked up pieces of it here and there and dumped
them into the trash bag. The trash bag was gone already - dropped at
the GoodWill. We jumped in the car and went to the dropoff point, but
it was gone. We couldn't find out where they took it. I spent many
hours going to stores and calling and online trying to find a
replacement. I felt AWFUL about it. REALLY awful. That was one of the
most rude things I've ever done to anybody, much less my own child!!! I
also gave up on FlyLady then. Maybe what we need is the same kind of
email list encouragement/reminders and a system - that is more in tune
with being respectful of the so-called junk which is really somebody's
"stuff." I know I could use encouragement and some sort of system to
get me moving.
-pam
> After a series of flylady messages about throwing away kid'sOh MY --- I did the SAME thing once - a year or so ago. I grabbed a
> stuff because they don't need that much anyway and etc, I pulled out a
> trash bag and decided to get rid of some stuff. My son was absolutely
> horrified, and I came to my senses and realized it's not my decision to
> make.
big trash bag and waded into my kids' room and started putting stuff
into it that I thought was really obviously stuff they didn't care
about.
THAT very night my then-10 yo was asking if anybody knew where her
Polly-Pocket was - a little plastic toy that I never remembered seeing
her play with - I'd picked up pieces of it here and there and dumped
them into the trash bag. The trash bag was gone already - dropped at
the GoodWill. We jumped in the car and went to the dropoff point, but
it was gone. We couldn't find out where they took it. I spent many
hours going to stores and calling and online trying to find a
replacement. I felt AWFUL about it. REALLY awful. That was one of the
most rude things I've ever done to anybody, much less my own child!!! I
also gave up on FlyLady then. Maybe what we need is the same kind of
email list encouragement/reminders and a system - that is more in tune
with being respectful of the so-called junk which is really somebody's
"stuff." I know I could use encouragement and some sort of system to
get me moving.
-pam
coyote's corner
Hi,
I just read this. I am disorganized, busy, happy and yes, sometimes I get
very anxious. I can totally relate to you regarding your back. Sometimes 10
minutes is too much!!
Don't feel bad. It's just part and parcel of who you are.
I try and use the down time to read, write in my journal or think, read w/
Brianna, talk w/ her.
You are very cool woman.
Janis
Coyotes Corner
Very Cool Stuff for the World
<www.coyotescorner.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Sorcha [mailto:sorcha-aisling@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Re [Unschooling-dotcom] Intro
My flylady rant: I was subscribed to flylady from last May until just
after Christmas. The house was much cleaner but I was also *so* much
more conscious of it. I mean, all day long, reading message after
message about clutter and how bad it is. It made me feel like all of
our stuff was clutter. I was busy "fling boogie"ing things left and
right because, you know, "you can't organize clutter". Rather than make
me more relaxed, it made me more anxious. After all, if 150,000 other
women now have spotless homes thanks to the system, why is mine
uncontrollable? It made me think of my children's belongings as
clutter. After a series of flylady messages about throwing away kid's
stuff because they don't need that much anyway and etc, I pulled out a
trash bag and decided to get rid of some stuff. My son was absolutely
horrified, and I came to my senses and realized it's not my decision to
make. And it's not helpful to constantly get emails telling me that the
kids' stuff all over the place is a bad thing.
Also, I was in a lot more pain when I was doing flylady. I injured my
back three years ago and it usually doesn't hurt. But setting a timer
and cleaning everything I can for 15 minutes straight made me want to
cry. She says "you can do anything for 15 minutes" but honestly it was
causing a lot of back pain to clean for 15 straight minutes. Maybe I
sound lazy, admitting I can't clean house for 15 minutes at a time. But
it's true and I'd always be lying on ice afterwards, or I'd get the
living room picked up and then my husband would vacuum for me while I
sat down and took aspirin. So yes, my home is much messier since I
unsubscribed, but I'm much more at peace about it without her nagging
me.
Sorcha
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I just read this. I am disorganized, busy, happy and yes, sometimes I get
very anxious. I can totally relate to you regarding your back. Sometimes 10
minutes is too much!!
Don't feel bad. It's just part and parcel of who you are.
I try and use the down time to read, write in my journal or think, read w/
Brianna, talk w/ her.
You are very cool woman.
Janis
Coyotes Corner
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<www.coyotescorner.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: Sorcha [mailto:sorcha-aisling@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Re [Unschooling-dotcom] Intro
My flylady rant: I was subscribed to flylady from last May until just
after Christmas. The house was much cleaner but I was also *so* much
more conscious of it. I mean, all day long, reading message after
message about clutter and how bad it is. It made me feel like all of
our stuff was clutter. I was busy "fling boogie"ing things left and
right because, you know, "you can't organize clutter". Rather than make
me more relaxed, it made me more anxious. After all, if 150,000 other
women now have spotless homes thanks to the system, why is mine
uncontrollable? It made me think of my children's belongings as
clutter. After a series of flylady messages about throwing away kid's
stuff because they don't need that much anyway and etc, I pulled out a
trash bag and decided to get rid of some stuff. My son was absolutely
horrified, and I came to my senses and realized it's not my decision to
make. And it's not helpful to constantly get emails telling me that the
kids' stuff all over the place is a bad thing.
Also, I was in a lot more pain when I was doing flylady. I injured my
back three years ago and it usually doesn't hurt. But setting a timer
and cleaning everything I can for 15 minutes straight made me want to
cry. She says "you can do anything for 15 minutes" but honestly it was
causing a lot of back pain to clean for 15 straight minutes. Maybe I
sound lazy, admitting I can't clean house for 15 minutes at a time. But
it's true and I'd always be lying on ice afterwards, or I'd get the
living room picked up and then my husband would vacuum for me while I
sat down and took aspirin. So yes, my home is much messier since I
unsubscribed, but I'm much more at peace about it without her nagging
me.
Sorcha
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Tia Leschke
> Also, I was in a lot more pain when I was doing flylady. I injured myI did flylady for a while and found it really helpful in learning some basic
> back three years ago and it usually doesn't hurt. But setting a timer
> and cleaning everything I can for 15 minutes straight made me want to
> cry. She says "you can do anything for 15 minutes" but honestly it was
> causing a lot of back pain to clean for 15 straight minutes. Maybe I
> sound lazy, admitting I can't clean house for 15 minutes at a time. But
> it's true and I'd always be lying on ice afterwards, or I'd get the
> living room picked up and then my husband would vacuum for me while I
> sat down and took aspirin. So yes, my home is much messier since I
> unsubscribed, but I'm much more at peace about it without her nagging
> me.
principals that are helping me. I never shined my sink at night; cleaning
it after washing dishes is enough for me. I wear shoes, but not lace-ups
because my Birks are better for my back. But I *did* learn about baby
steps. You do what you can. When you get used to that, then you try to do
a little more. My house is still messy and often unclean, but it's better
than it was before, and I can get back "on track" faster when I fall off.
I also feel free to alter her instructions to suit me. If 15 minutes is too
much at one time, set the timer for 10 or even 5. To have the house the way
you want it might require more of those shorter bursts of action than if you
could do 15, but I know I can get more done over the long haul if I break it
up into shorter bursts.
I no longer get the nagging messages from her, but I'm glad I did it for a
while.
Tia
myfunny4
--- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:
I know I could use encouragement and some sort of system to
About two years ago, I realized that I could either spend time with
people or spend time cleaning things. I chose people. To other
people, I suppose our home looks rather bare. There are just a
precious few knicknacks on top of tables, dressers, etc. (makes it
quicker to dust); bathroom stuff is stored in bins in the cabinet
under the sink, next to a spray bottle of cleaner and a roll of paper
towels for quick clean-ups; kids have stackable bins in their rooms
to hold their *stuff*; boxes that slide under beds hold magazines and
reams of printer paper; bulletin boards keep stray papers from
cluttering desktops; industrial shelving lines our basement walls for
roller blades and helmets, and storage bins holding old games,
puzzles, toys, etc. (until the kids have decided they don't want them
anymore and we give them away).
Two big storage bins sit in the front hall closet - one for
hats/gloves/scarves, and one for shoes and boots. My silk flower
arrangements, candle holders, decorative glass bottles, etc. are
packed away in boxes stored in the attic. Our bookcases hold nothing
but books.
Spend the money and buy a wet swiffer mop, and store it in the
kitchen; it makes spills and messes much easier to clean up, and
you're more likely to grab the swiffer than haul out a bucket and mop.
Except for big jobs, like mopping the floor or shampooing the carpet,
for which I require loud music and cold beer, I keep cleaning to 10
minute intervals. I can clean a toilet in ten minutes. I can wash
an entire set of windows in ten minutes. I can grab my heavy-duty
dustbuster and vacumn the steps in ten minutes.
My husband says it takes a strong personality to make the Spartan
look work <g>.
Debbie
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:
I know I could use encouragement and some sort of system to
> get me moving.Aaahhh...how brave are you? <g>
>
> -pam
About two years ago, I realized that I could either spend time with
people or spend time cleaning things. I chose people. To other
people, I suppose our home looks rather bare. There are just a
precious few knicknacks on top of tables, dressers, etc. (makes it
quicker to dust); bathroom stuff is stored in bins in the cabinet
under the sink, next to a spray bottle of cleaner and a roll of paper
towels for quick clean-ups; kids have stackable bins in their rooms
to hold their *stuff*; boxes that slide under beds hold magazines and
reams of printer paper; bulletin boards keep stray papers from
cluttering desktops; industrial shelving lines our basement walls for
roller blades and helmets, and storage bins holding old games,
puzzles, toys, etc. (until the kids have decided they don't want them
anymore and we give them away).
Two big storage bins sit in the front hall closet - one for
hats/gloves/scarves, and one for shoes and boots. My silk flower
arrangements, candle holders, decorative glass bottles, etc. are
packed away in boxes stored in the attic. Our bookcases hold nothing
but books.
Spend the money and buy a wet swiffer mop, and store it in the
kitchen; it makes spills and messes much easier to clean up, and
you're more likely to grab the swiffer than haul out a bucket and mop.
Except for big jobs, like mopping the floor or shampooing the carpet,
for which I require loud music and cold beer, I keep cleaning to 10
minute intervals. I can clean a toilet in ten minutes. I can wash
an entire set of windows in ten minutes. I can grab my heavy-duty
dustbuster and vacumn the steps in ten minutes.
My husband says it takes a strong personality to make the Spartan
look work <g>.
Debbie
[email protected]
In a message dated 03/05/2003 4:39:40 PM Central Standard Time,
leschke@... writes:
feel that Flylady can be a jackbooted thug-type approach, and I just hate
that. I've decided to take a page out of another highly successful program
and *take what I want and disregard the rest.* :-) I'm still working on it,
but what I do is fourfold. 1) I try to have my kitchen spotless before I go
to bed. Even if nothing else is done, it feels so good to get up to a clean
kitchen. (This is what I take Flylady to mean about *shining my sink.*) 2)
I make my bed in the morning. 3) I empty the dishwasher early so that it is
ready to receive rinsed dished during the day. And 4) I work for as long on
a task as I feel comfortable. If that's 5 minutes or 30. Then I sit down
and do what I want to do for a bit, then get up and do a little more...until
the job is done. I get the messages but delete most of them without reading
them, I don't use a timer, I hate wearing shoes, and purple feather dusters
are stupid and an extra expense I don't need. <g>
YMMV,
Laura B.
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leschke@... writes:
> I also feel free to alter her instructions to suit me. If 15 minutes is tooThis is similar to the way I've adapted the Flylady techniques. I honestly
> much at one time, set the timer for 10 or even 5. To have the house the
> way
> you want it might require more of those shorter bursts of action than if
> you
> could do 15, but I know I can get more done over the long haul if I break
> it
> up into shorter bursts.
>
>
feel that Flylady can be a jackbooted thug-type approach, and I just hate
that. I've decided to take a page out of another highly successful program
and *take what I want and disregard the rest.* :-) I'm still working on it,
but what I do is fourfold. 1) I try to have my kitchen spotless before I go
to bed. Even if nothing else is done, it feels so good to get up to a clean
kitchen. (This is what I take Flylady to mean about *shining my sink.*) 2)
I make my bed in the morning. 3) I empty the dishwasher early so that it is
ready to receive rinsed dished during the day. And 4) I work for as long on
a task as I feel comfortable. If that's 5 minutes or 30. Then I sit down
and do what I want to do for a bit, then get up and do a little more...until
the job is done. I get the messages but delete most of them without reading
them, I don't use a timer, I hate wearing shoes, and purple feather dusters
are stupid and an extra expense I don't need. <g>
YMMV,
Laura B.
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From: myfunny4 [mailto:Debbies4@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re [Unschooling-dotcom] Intro
--- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:
I know I could use encouragement and some sort of system to
About two years ago, I realized that I could either spend time with
people or spend time cleaning things. I chose people. To other
people, I suppose our home looks rather bare. There are just a
precious few knicknacks on top of tables, dressers, etc. (makes it
quicker to dust); bathroom stuff is stored in bins in the cabinet
under the sink, next to a spray bottle of cleaner and a roll of paper
towels for quick clean-ups; kids have stackable bins in their rooms
to hold their *stuff*; boxes that slide under beds hold magazines and
reams of printer paper; bulletin boards keep stray papers from
cluttering desktops; industrial shelving lines our basement walls for
roller blades and helmets, and storage bins holding old games,
puzzles, toys, etc. (until the kids have decided they don't want them
anymore and we give them away).
Two big storage bins sit in the front hall closet - one for
hats/gloves/scarves, and one for shoes and boots. My silk flower
arrangements, candle holders, decorative glass bottles, etc. are
packed away in boxes stored in the attic. Our bookcases hold nothing
but books.
Spend the money and buy a wet swiffer mop, and store it in the
kitchen; it makes spills and messes much easier to clean up, and
you're more likely to grab the swiffer than haul out a bucket and mop.
Except for big jobs, like mopping the floor or shampooing the carpet,
for which I require loud music and cold beer, I keep cleaning to 10
minute intervals. I can clean a toilet in ten minutes. I can wash
an entire set of windows in ten minutes. I can grab my heavy-duty
dustbuster and vacumn the steps in ten minutes.
My husband says it takes a strong personality to make the Spartan
look work <g>.
Debbie
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-----Original Message-----
From: myfunny4 [mailto:Debbies4@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re [Unschooling-dotcom] Intro
--- In [email protected], Pamela Sorooshian
<pamsoroosh@e...> wrote:
I know I could use encouragement and some sort of system to
> get me moving.Aaahhh...how brave are you? <g>
>
> -pam
About two years ago, I realized that I could either spend time with
people or spend time cleaning things. I chose people. To other
people, I suppose our home looks rather bare. There are just a
precious few knicknacks on top of tables, dressers, etc. (makes it
quicker to dust); bathroom stuff is stored in bins in the cabinet
under the sink, next to a spray bottle of cleaner and a roll of paper
towels for quick clean-ups; kids have stackable bins in their rooms
to hold their *stuff*; boxes that slide under beds hold magazines and
reams of printer paper; bulletin boards keep stray papers from
cluttering desktops; industrial shelving lines our basement walls for
roller blades and helmets, and storage bins holding old games,
puzzles, toys, etc. (until the kids have decided they don't want them
anymore and we give them away).
Two big storage bins sit in the front hall closet - one for
hats/gloves/scarves, and one for shoes and boots. My silk flower
arrangements, candle holders, decorative glass bottles, etc. are
packed away in boxes stored in the attic. Our bookcases hold nothing
but books.
Spend the money and buy a wet swiffer mop, and store it in the
kitchen; it makes spills and messes much easier to clean up, and
you're more likely to grab the swiffer than haul out a bucket and mop.
Except for big jobs, like mopping the floor or shampooing the carpet,
for which I require loud music and cold beer, I keep cleaning to 10
minute intervals. I can clean a toilet in ten minutes. I can wash
an entire set of windows in ten minutes. I can grab my heavy-duty
dustbuster and vacumn the steps in ten minutes.
My husband says it takes a strong personality to make the Spartan
look work <g>.
Debbie
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