Heidi and Brent Ricks

Hi all,
My name is Heidi and I am the unschooling mom of three, ages 10, 8 and
1. I jsut joined and I know I'm supposed to lurk for a while and see if
this is where I belong but I'm already sure that it is.

My immediate concern is the fact that I have a 10 year old who is still
not reading. I am hanging on by my fingernails waiting for the
lightning bolt of compregension to hit her. She knows "how" to read (ie
she can sound out words and recognize a few on their own) but she
steadfastly refuses to spend any time really getting comfortable with
it. She LOVES to be read to. She is outrageously creative
artistically. She enjoys physical persuits (karate, fencing, biking
swimming...). I know this kids wants to read btu she wants the magic
wand method of learning and I can't find it. My concern is that her
self esteem is now getting involved. Other people assume that she can
read and it is going to get increasingly difficult to cover the fact
that she can't (or more accurately, won't). Of course this pushes all
my buttons because one of my issues on the self-improvement front is to
let go of others' expectations. AARGH> This is such a tough place to
be in. I want her to maintain all her self confidence but I don't want
to teach her to cave to the expectations of others.

You are all saved from further rambling by a crying baby.

TIA for any advice!

Heidi


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In a message dated 2/23/03 6:39:00 PM, rickshei@... writes:

<< Other people assume that she can
read and it is going to get increasingly difficult to cover the fact
that she can't (or more accurately, won't). >>

If she could she would.
If she could she couldn't help it.

Holly turned 11 in November. It was only around then that she said when she
walks into a room she sees words and reads them the second she sees them.
Like the names of books or the month on the calendar, or the labels on boxes.

She's still not reading "chapter books" with enough speed to make her happy.
She's working on The Boxcar Children, but slowly. She's reading Harry Potter
cards, though, and pretty fluently.

<<This is such a tough place to
be in. I want her to maintain all her self confidence but I don't want
to teach her to cave to the expectations of others.
>>

If you want, I'll send you our copy of "Teach your Child to Read in 100 Easy
Lessons" (or whatever it is) which helped Holly in some magical way. We did t
hree or four lessons (Well no, we read through three or four word lists,
without doing their totally weird lessons, and we started around #18 I think.
If that would make your daughter feel better, I'll send it for the
shipping. I paid half price for it used.

And this might make you the mom feel better:

http://sandradodd.com/reading

<A HREF="http://sandradodd.com/reading">Later Readers</A>

One of Carol Rice's kids is upstairs right now, 18, can read anything in the
world, but couldn't until "late."

Sandra
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Heidi Wordhouse-Dykema

Hi Heidi

>(snipped)but she
>steadfastly refuses to spend any time really getting comfortable with
>it. She LOVES to be read to.

Okay, so have you considered NOT asking her to spend time getting
comfortable with reading and just keep reading to her? Books on CD are
really good too. We do a lot of those. Read the signs while driving down
the street. Read billboards out loud. License plates. Bumper
stickers. Activate the CC (closed caption) option on the TV. Watch
spanish language stations that are CC'd and try to pronounce THAT out loud
(we aren't spanish speakers here and it gets pretty silly sometimes.)

>She is outrageously creative
>artistically. She enjoys physical persuits (karate, fencing, biking
>swimming...). I know this kids wants to read btu she wants the magic
>wand method of learning and I can't find it.

Let her go with you to the library (don't force it) while you choose books
on karate, fencing, biking, swimming, stained glass, painting, etc that YOU
will enjoy, then take them home and read them to yourself. If she asks,
read to her. Make it so tasty that maybe she'll want to spend some time
with them, but don't ask her to or require her to or suggest she might want
to... etc. I mean, you want her reading to be her-powered, not
you-powered, eh?

> My concern is that her
>self esteem is now getting involved. Other people assume that she can
>read and it is going to get increasingly difficult to cover the fact
>that she can't (or more accurately, won't).

What do you do to 'cover'? I like the line, "Oh, he's so busy with
building remote control gliders that he doesn't bother much with books
yet. Have you ever built a remote control glider from scratch? ...
etc." or, "We're following the Nordic tradition where kids are taught to
read at a much later age. It's so effective that way. Higher literacy
rates in Norway than just about anywhere else, wouldn't you know
it..." Blow it right back at them.

>Of course this pushes all
>my buttons because one of my issues on the self-improvement front is to
>let go of others' expectations. AARGH> This is such a tough place to
>be in. I want her to maintain all her self confidence but I don't want
>to teach her to cave to the expectations of others.

Hmmm. pushes your buttons, eh? We've all lived it...it can be maddening
to have others second-guessing you or your child...
... but are you very sure that she's not trying to live up to *your*
expectations of her needing to be able to read because it's getting hard to
cover in front of other folks? I mean, it's an awareness point to take a
look at.
Another Heidi, Heidi WD. (Are there Three Heidi's on this list now? more?)

zenmomma *

Hi Heidi and welcome.

>>I know this kids wants to read btu she wants the magic wand method of
>>learning and I can't find it.>>

Well you've definitely come to the right place. Here's your magic wand.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>>))))))))) Okay maybe not. ;-)

But I do have a son who was a later reader. His magic wand was to be left
alone to understand it at his own pace. I read to him, provided him with
lots of books, magazines and comics, got him books on tape and answered any
reading question he had without making it a big deal. I told him he didn't
have to sound out or read aloud to show anyone he could read. Comics from
the newspaper were his best tool. He wanted to be able to read them and he'd
ask for words all the timew. After awhile he didn't ask so many, now he
hardly asks at all.

I would reassure her that *when* she learns the rest of the tricks of
reading is no big deal because you're confident she will.

Life is good.
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nellebelle

I had this turned on for awhile. It really bugged dh, until one night we
were watching the Wizard of Oz and he finally realized what the lyrics were
to one of the songs!

Mary Ellen

----- snip----- Activate the CC (closed caption) option on the TV.

nellebelle

I have found the late reader stories very reassuring, but I wonder if there
are very many unschooling early readers?

My first dd learned to read pretty easily at 6 1/2, but we were not
unschooling then. It was my first year HS and I was homeschooling
kindergarten. If I had thought school at home was critical, I would have
failed very quickly. We had no set schedule, and when I think back on it, I
realize that reading was the one thing I really focused on, because I
figured that the most important thing in kindergarten was learning letter
sounds. (I think differently now, but that is where I was then.) I had
always read a lot to her, ever since she was an infant. I also often read
to myself while she nursed. I also talked to her a lot. I know that isn't
unusual, but one of my parenting things said it is important to talk to
babies, so I would talk about anything just to be saying words aloud to this
little person who didn't talk yet. "Now mommy is putting the plate in the
cupboard." She was an early talker too, one of those who used complete
sentences by age two, so I do think that she is a more verbal person anyway,
and that might be one reason why reading came easier to her? Anyway, she
was reading on her own before I had a chance to teach her much phonics
beyond a few basic consonant and vowel sounds, so she helped me to see that
some kids can learn to read with very little direct instruction.

Do I have a point here? I guess I'm just wondering if the bell curve for
reading is much higher than what the schools think. It seems that schools
expect all kids to read by second grade or age 7 or 8, yet many stories I
hear of kids who never had "school" (whether at home or at school) actually
do tend to read much later. Or are there lots of early unschooled readers
too, and we just aren't hearing those stories?

I suppose the answer is that there is a very broad range of when kids
acquire the skills needed to read, and we tend to think of the ages in the
middle of the curve as being normal, when the outliers are normal too, just
not as common.

Mary Ellen

Tia Leschke

>
> Do I have a point here? I guess I'm just wondering if the bell curve for
> reading is much higher than what the schools think. It seems that schools
> expect all kids to read by second grade or age 7 or 8, yet many stories I
> hear of kids who never had "school" (whether at home or at school)
actually
> do tend to read much later. Or are there lots of early unschooled readers
> too, and we just aren't hearing those stories?
>
> I suppose the answer is that there is a very broad range of when kids
> acquire the skills needed to read, and we tend to think of the ages in the
> middle of the curve as being normal, when the outliers are normal too,
just
> not as common.

I think people tend to fret more about the later readers, and other people
try to help by listing off the later readers they know who are doing well
now. Those fretting parents don't really need to hear about the early
readers, and the parents of the early readers aren't usually fretting about
it.
Tia

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In a message dated 2/24/03 9:44:53 AM, nellebelle@... writes:

<< Or are there lots of early unschooled readers
too, and we just aren't hearing those stories? >>

There are some, but I'm SURE the school's curve is set around seven instead
of around nine or ten where it should be.

There are thousands and millions of things schools could teach non-readers so
that by the time they're reading they would have something real to read
about. But they don't.

<<I suppose the answer is that there is a very broad range of when kids
acquire the skills needed to read, and we tend to think of the ages in the
middle of the curve as being normal, when the outliers are normal too, just
not as common.>>

Another curve and factor to look at might be how many unschoolers will end up
being NON-readers. We know that the schools' labelling and pushing and
shaming creates non readers. There are people who hate books, and refuse to
read unless they "have to." I don't think unschooling has the tools to do
that. School uses those tools on every student. Some are just resilient.

Sandra

Mary Bianco

>From: "nellebelle" <nellebelle@...>

<<Do I have a point here? I guess I'm just wondering if the bell curve for
reading is much higher than what the schools think. It seems that schools
expect all kids to read by second grade or age 7 or 8, yet many stories I
hear of kids who never had "school" (whether at home or at school) actually
do tend to read much later. Or are there lots of early unschooled readers
too, and we just aren't hearing those stories?>>


My 3 youngest have always been unschooled. They are 8,7 and 2. For a while
when the middle ones were almost 5 and 6, they started doing this program I
had leftover from my oldest. It was phonics stuff. They enjoyed it and did
it maybe 2-3 times a week. They also loved workbook stuff. Like finding
ending or beginning sounds to pictures on the sheets. They were going along
so well and seemed to enjoy it so much that I thought they would be reading
very soon. This all lasted for about a month and a half. The phonics program
was the first to go. That lasted about 2 weeks. They slowed down a bit on
the worksheets and finally stopped those altogether. They had been doing
them maybe twice a week. When they finished what they had, they said they
didn't want to do anymore. At this same time, I was hearing about other
unschoolers who had very late readers by school standards. I also had a
friend who's son wasn't reading yet at 12 and wasn't concerned at all. The
more I heard, the more I figured to be ready not to freak if our kids did
the same. I was actually okay with it and asked my husband how he would feel
if the kids weren't reading at the age of 12. He said as long as they could
read at 18, he would be okay with it. I knew we'd be fine.

Ever since then, the kids haven't done one worksheet or book or program. My
son and daughter just both turned 8 and 7 and both are reading. My son reads
a bit faster than my daughter but both do well enough to read like a Boxcar
kids book and even the info books they have let alone all the golden books
and such they read to the baby. I still read to both of them anyway. They
love for me to read the Boxcar books to them just because it's more fun to
have me read. And I always do. I can't say I taught them to read at all.
Somewhere along the line they picked it up themselves. I saw it start with
their Pokemon cards and it went from there. Next was the video games on the
playstation and road signs. I was very ready for them to not be reading.
Made sure no relatives made them feel bad about it either. We were very
relaxed around here with them reading or not reading. They have no idea
about when kids "should" be reading either. My kids really don't get school
at all and don't understand what is expected of them. They have no friends
that go to school. So I think some kids will get it earlier and some will
get it later. Same as if they were in school but then again the schools
don't really give them that chance. My kids are actually reading sooner than
I expected.

I kind of think about it like potty training. (I hate that term) You can
start a baby early and you can get them to do it. You can coax them a bit
and have them either do it or fight back and not do it all. You can leave
them alone and they either do it when they "should" or do it a lot later. 3
of my kids have been in the later category so maybe that's why I don't sweat
other stuff they "should" know.

Mary B


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> >From: "nellebelle" <nellebelle@...>
>
> <<Do I have a point here? I guess I'm just wondering if the bell curve for
> reading is much higher than what the schools think. It seems that schools
> expect all kids to read by second grade or age 7 or 8, yet many stories I
> hear of kids who never had "school" (whether at home or at school) actually
> do tend to read much later. Or are there lots of early unschooled readers
> too, and we just aren't hearing those stories?>>
>

My kids all read before they were 5. My daughter taught herself at 3. I have no idea how either. All I did was read to them. Lots and lots of stories each day. My daughetr would then point out when I
skipped bits...'Mummy, read ALL the story!'
The thing is, when they got to school, the school taught phonetics. Judged this way my kids couldn't read. They had no idea how to break words up or what sounds letters made so the teacher started them
with early readers and other boring stuff. When I explained that they could read, and even had Heather read a passage out of the daily newspaper, the teacher told me it was the *wrong* sort of reading
and that Heather would have to go back to the beginning and learn letters.
Sigh.

Shyrley

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In a message dated 2/24/03 1:39:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:

> . When I explained that they could read, and even had Heather read a passage
> out of the daily newspaper, the teacher told me it was the *wrong* sort of
> reading
>

That is sooo funny. What is it supposed to mean..the "wrong sort of
reading". LOL
did the teacher realize how stupid that sounded the minute it came out of
her/his mouth. You know like "I can't believe I just said that". WOW.
Pam G.


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Tia Leschke

> > . When I explained that they could read, and even had Heather read a
passage
> > out of the daily newspaper, the teacher told me it was the *wrong* sort
of
> > reading
> >
>
> That is sooo funny. What is it supposed to mean..the "wrong sort of
> reading". LOL
> did the teacher realize how stupid that sounded the minute it came out of
> her/his mouth. You know like "I can't believe I just said that". WOW.

Probably not. <g>
Tia

rebecca delong

I just finshed a heated disscussion with my mom about my little brother (he's 9 and attends p.s) he loves/loved to read as long as he has chosen the book, but in his class he has a list of pre-aproved books that he has to choose one a month from. He just fininshed the 4th Harry Potter book, by the end of it he was in tears and begging to not have to finish it, but the school requires it. In fact they require 3 hrs. a day of reading, outside of school, for points and the only books that count are on this list that the teacher/school has deemed acceptable. It makes me sick. My little bro, a year ago was reading anyhting and everything and now he's crying because he can't read Captain Underpants and Choose Your Own Adventures anymore because they arn't good enough. AAAAAAHHHHHGGGGHHHH!!!!
Sorry about that, I just get so mad, that his love of books and reading is being squashed and my mom is letting it happen, and she sits here and tells me that it is for his own good and that if I was smart I would put Jaiden and Avery in school because the teachers really want what is best for the kids and they'll learn so much more, and don't I wan't some time for myself?
sick, sick sick, It really makes me sick.
Rebecca
genant2@... wrote:In a message dated 2/24/03 1:39:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:

> . When I explained that they could read, and even had Heather read a passage
> out of the daily newspaper, the teacher told me it was the *wrong* sort of
> reading
>

That is sooo funny. What is it supposed to mean..the "wrong sort of
reading". LOL
did the teacher realize how stupid that sounded the minute it came out of
her/his mouth. You know like "I can't believe I just said that". WOW.
Pam G.


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In a message dated 2/24/03 8:09:45 PM, elfmama92104@... writes:

<< Sorry about that, I just get so mad, that his love of books and reading is
being squashed and my mom is letting it happen >>

Kidnap him and take him to the library. CHILDREN'S section. Send your mom a
cute letter with words cut out of obvious Harry Potter posters and ads saying
she can't have him back until she remembers what bad things school did to
her, and you.

Then take him home in time for dinner. <g>

Sandra

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In a message dated 2/24/03 7:10:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
elfmama92104@... writes:

> In fact they require 3 hrs. a day of reading, outside of school,

This is cruel. My daughter lost her love for reading because of the ps
forcing her to read things she didn't want. Now that she is out of there and
free to read again she is choosing to read again and I am so glad to see it.
She is 16 and when she was younger loved to read but I would say in the last
6-8 years it was crushed out of her. It is very sad that they have to read 3
hours on top of their already 6 hour days..... when do they have time to be
kids?


Heidi


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Mary Bianco

>From: rebecca delong <elfmama92104@...>

<<Sorry about that, I just get so mad, that his love of books and reading is
being squashed and my mom is letting it happen, and she sits here and tells
me that it is for his own good and that if I was smart I would put Jaiden
and Avery in school because the teachers really want what is best for the
kids and they'll learn so much more, and don't I wan't some time for myself?
sick, sick sick, It really makes me sick.>>



Did I read you right that he is suppose to ready 3 HOURS a day???? A kid of
9 that goes to school and read 3 hours of a list book??? Absolutely crazy.
Your poor brother's love of reading will be squashed in no time. It's
pathetic what schools do in the name of education.

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rebecca delong

Hmmmm, this is a thought.<beg>
I have been encourging his love of "twaddle" (as my mom calls it). At a thrift store yesterday Jason and I found a box of old d&d choose your own adventure books for a buck :-) and gave them to Miles (my bro) today, it was nice to see a glimmer in his eyes.
Unfortunatly, my mom works in the public school system and is still under rhe delusion that I liked school (I dropped out of high school).
But, I will keep being here for my brother and helping him in anyway that I can.
Rebecca

SandraDodd@... wrote:
Kidnap him and take him to the library. CHILDREN'S section. Send your mom a
cute letter with words cut out of obvious Harry Potter posters and ads saying
she can't have him back until she remembers what bad things school did to
her, and you.

Then take him home in time for dinner. <g>

Sandra

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hmsclmyboy@... wrote:
>>when do they have time to be kids?>>


During the 30 min. a day they get for lunch? :-(




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Yep, and thats at home, that 3 hours a day doesn't count the time he has to read at school, OR all of the other homework he has to do. He's in 4th grade and has more homework than Jason(dh) does, and he's going to collage.
I watch him 3 days a week, he get's to be a kid here. I don't make him read. He can if he want's to, or I'll read it to him, although, that's aginst the rules... I love being a rule breaker <beg>
Rebecca
Mary Bianco <mummyone24@...> wrote:



>>>Did I read you right that he is suppose to ready 3 HOURS a day???? A kid of
9 that goes to school and read 3 hours of a list book??? Absolutely crazy.
Your poor brother's love of reading will be squashed in no time. It's
pathetic what schools do in the name of education.

Mary B>>>


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In a message dated 2/24/03 9:49:50 PM, elfmama92104@... writes:

<< Jason and I found a box of old d&d choose your own adventure books for a
buck :-) and gave them to Miles (my bro) today, it was nice to see a glimmer
in his eyes. >>

If any of them are Lone Wolf books, Kirby would like to own the whole set.

Just in case they end up getting passed on and you want to pass them to
Kirby...

Sandra

Have a Nice Day!

This makes me so angry. 3 HOURS? What on earth is she expecting? (or is it a he??).

Either way, someone needs to tell that teacher where to stick her list of "acceptable books".

Maybe get another (KID friendly) teacher to make your mom see the light?

Kristen


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I just finshed a heated disscussion with my mom about my little brother (he's 9 and attends p.s) he loves/loved to read as long as he has chosen the book, but in his class he has a list of pre-aproved books that he has to choose one a month from. He just fininshed the 4th Harry Potter book, by the end of it he was in tears and begging to not have to finish it, but the school requires it. In fact they require 3 hrs. a day of reading, outside of school, for points and the only books that count are on this list that the teacher/school has deemed acceptable. It makes me sick. My little bro, a year ago was reading anyhting and everything and now he's crying because he can't read Captain Underpants and Choose Your Own Adventures anymore because they arn't good enough. AAAAAAHHHHHGGGGHHHH!!!!
Sorry about that, I just get so mad, that his love of books and reading is being squashed and my mom is letting it happen, and she sits here and tells me that it is for his own good and that if I was smart I would put Jaiden and Avery in school because the teachers really want what is best for the kids and they'll learn so much more, and don't I wan't some time for myself?
sick, sick sick, It really makes me sick.
Rebecca
genant2@... wrote:In a message dated 2/24/03 1:39:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:

> . When I explained that they could read, and even had Heather read a passage
> out of the daily newspaper, the teacher told me it was the *wrong* sort of
> reading
>

That is sooo funny. What is it supposed to mean..the "wrong sort of
reading". LOL
did the teacher realize how stupid that sounded the minute it came out of
her/his mouth. You know like "I can't believe I just said that". WOW.
Pam G.


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rebecca delong

I'm not sure if any where or not, but we scour the thrift stores on a weekly (or more) basis so, I'll keep my eyes open. Wich ones does he need?
Rebecca
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 2/24/03 9:49:50 PM, elfmama92104@... writes:

<< Jason and I found a box of old d&d choose your own adventure books for a
buck :-) and gave them to Miles (my bro) today, it was nice to see a glimmer
in his eyes. >>

If any of them are Lone Wolf books, Kirby would like to own the whole set.

Just in case they end up getting passed on and you want to pass them to
Kirby...

Sandra

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rebecca delong

It's a her. From what I understand is that it's new school policy, to get kids to read more. eeewww.
I've told my mom where to stick that list, must be why I was taken off of the list of people to pick Miles up at school, I wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut.
I don't know if there are any kid-friendly teachers at the school, and she dosn't want to listen to any off my off the wall ideas.
Most of my family is wondering if I wasn't switched at birth, they just arn't sure what to do with me, or what to say. :-P
I'll keep telling her what I think and doing what I'm doing.
Rebecca
>>Have a Nice Day! <litlrooh@...> wrote:This makes me so angry. 3 HOURS? What on earth is she expecting? (or is it a he??).

Either way, someone needs to tell that teacher where to stick her list of "acceptable books".

Maybe get another (KID friendly) teacher to make your mom see the light?

Kristen>>





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kayb85 <[email protected]>

> Do I have a point here? I guess I'm just wondering if the bell
curve for
> reading is much higher than what the schools think. It seems that
schools
> expect all kids to read by second grade or age 7 or 8, yet many
stories I
> hear of kids who never had "school" (whether at home or at school)
actually
> do tend to read much later. Or are there lots of early unschooled
readers
> too, and we just aren't hearing those stories?

I always thought that schools expected kids to read somewhere between
the end of kindergarten and the end of first grade?

Sheila

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In a message dated 2/24/03 11:02:40 PM, elfmama92104@... writes:

<<
I'm not sure if any where or not, but we scour the thrift stores on a weekly
(or more) basis so, I'll keep my eyes open. Wich ones does he need? >>

About Lone Wolf books for Kirby...
He's asleep and has an 8:30 staff meeting at work, but I'll try to remember
to update the list we had at one time. We bought some online at one time.
I bet they're even much easier to find now. I should just try there and not
burden people with thrift store lists!!

But I'll try to put a list here. Thanks!

Sandra

Alan & Brenda Leonard

2/25/03 00:40:

> When I explained that they could read, and even had Heather read a passage out
> of the daily newspaper, the teacher told me it was the *wrong* sort of reading

The WHAT!??!

Where do these people get their training anyhow? I thought the point was to
learn to read. Once you read, who CARES what tools you used to get there?

Sheesh. This one can go in my file of things to read if I ever think I need
to send my son to school....

brenda

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From: SandraDodd@... [mailto:SandraDodd@...]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:58 PM
To: [email protected]
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rant)


In a message dated 2/24/03 8:09:45 PM, elfmama92104@... writes:

<< Sorry about that, I just get so mad, that his love of books and reading
is
being squashed and my mom is letting it happen >>

Kidnap him and take him to the library. CHILDREN'S section. Send your mom
a
cute letter with words cut out of obvious Harry Potter posters and ads
saying
she can't have him back until she remembers what bad things school did to
her, and you.

Then take him home in time for dinner. <g>

Sandra



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From: rebecca delong [mailto:elfmama92104@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:05 AM
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Yep, and thats at home, that 3 hours a day doesn't count the time he has to
read at school, OR all of the other homework he has to do. He's in 4th grade
and has more homework than Jason(dh) does, and he's going to collage.
I watch him 3 days a week, he get's to be a kid here. I don't make him read.
He can if he want's to, or I'll read it to him, although, that's aginst the
rules... I love being a rule breaker <beg>
Rebecca
Mary Bianco <mummyone24@...> wrote:



>>>Did I read you right that he is suppose to ready 3 HOURS a day???? A kid
of
9 that goes to school and read 3 hours of a list book??? Absolutely crazy.
Your poor brother's love of reading will be squashed in no time. It's
pathetic what schools do in the name of education.

Mary B>>>


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In a message dated 2/24/2003 10:10:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
elfmama92104@... writes:
> just finshed a heated disscussion with my mom about my little brother (he's
> 9 and attends p.s) he loves/loved to read as long as he has chosen the
> book, but in his class he has a list of pre-aproved books that he has to
> choose one a month from. He just fininshed the 4th Harry Potter book, by
> the end of it he was in tears and begging to not have to finish it, but the
> school requires it. In fact they require 3 hrs. a day of reading, outside
> of school, for points and the only books that count are on this list that
> the teacher/school has deemed acceptable. It makes me sick. My little bro,
> a year ago was reading anyhting and everything and now he's crying because
> he can't read Captain Underpants and Choose Your Own Adventures anymore
> because they arn't good enough. AAAAAAHHHHHGGGGHHHH!!!!

I have always been a big reader. My seventh grade teacher believed that you
should read whatever interested you--she had a class FULL of kids reading. My
eight grade teacher did NOT. He required us to read:
Death Be Not Proud
A Separate Peace
Lost Horizons
Puddinhead Wilson
Great Expectations
Assorted Shakespeare among others

With his 50 vocabulary words a week (placate, mollify, assuage, pacify,
mitigate, allay), HIS reading, and his damned grammar workbooks, I didn't
have TIME to read my own books.The SOB even made me hate TWAIN! (for a while)

That's very sad about your brother. I know. I've been there!

~Kelly :-(


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Barb Eaton

Now that could be a fun raffle item for the conference. I know I would
go for it. ;-)

Barb E
"Youth is not a time of life; it is a state of mind; it is
not a matter of rosy cheeks, red lips and supple knees; it
is a matter of the will, quality of the imagination, a
vigor of the emotions; it is the freshness of the deep
springs of life. "

- Samuel Ullman, Businessman and Poet




on 2/25/03 8:27 AM, coyote's corner at jana@... wrote:

> One of our best selling t-shirts is
> "Well Behaved Women Rarely Make History"
>
> I wear it often!!
> Janis
>
> Coyotes Corner
> Very Cool Stuff for the World
> <www.coyotescorner.com>