Is unschooling a transformation
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/4/03 12:35:27 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Some random thoughts, unconnected to your particular post: I guess I
see the TV/no TV thing as just a matter of choice. I know some folks
think kids who don't have TV are deprived, but really they just have
different things in their lives during that time when they'd be
watching the TV. It doesn't have to be a value judgement - better or
worse - it's just different. So, some families choose to watch TV,
and some choose to do different things. >>
First of all, I would be the kids that had tv's in their homes did not have
unlimited access and that's exactly why they wanted access to yours right off
the bat.
Secondly, lets turn your above phrase around a little, and apply it to books.
"It doesn't have to be a value judgement-better or worse-it's just different.
So, some families choose to own books and some choose to do different things."
Sounds lame when you think about not owning any books eh?
I wouldn't keep any one source of communication or information from my
children that is in my realm of control to provide.
As a child who was raised without tv, I can tell you just how incredibly
addictive it is for most children that have it limited.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<< Some random thoughts, unconnected to your particular post: I guess I
see the TV/no TV thing as just a matter of choice. I know some folks
think kids who don't have TV are deprived, but really they just have
different things in their lives during that time when they'd be
watching the TV. It doesn't have to be a value judgement - better or
worse - it's just different. So, some families choose to watch TV,
and some choose to do different things. >>
First of all, I would be the kids that had tv's in their homes did not have
unlimited access and that's exactly why they wanted access to yours right off
the bat.
Secondly, lets turn your above phrase around a little, and apply it to books.
"It doesn't have to be a value judgement-better or worse-it's just different.
So, some families choose to own books and some choose to do different things."
Sounds lame when you think about not owning any books eh?
I wouldn't keep any one source of communication or information from my
children that is in my realm of control to provide.
As a child who was raised without tv, I can tell you just how incredibly
addictive it is for most children that have it limited.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/7/03 4:09:28 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< But where we
live, you get nada on TV without cable, and cable would cost us about
$50 a month, >>
Most all cable companies have a basic package that doesn't cost much at all.
You don't get as many channels, but it's great to get good reception and
still a lot of good channels.
Ours is only 11.90 a month.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<< But where we
live, you get nada on TV without cable, and cable would cost us about
$50 a month, >>
Most all cable companies have a basic package that doesn't cost much at all.
You don't get as many channels, but it's great to get good reception and
still a lot of good channels.
Ours is only 11.90 a month.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
Mary Bianco
>From: starsuncloud@...<<Most all cable companies have a basic package that doesn't cost much at
all. You don't get as many channels, but it's great to get good reception
and still a lot of good channels.
Ours is only 11.90 a month.>>
Holey moley I'm moving where you are!!!
Mary B
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the_clevengers <[email protected]>
--- In [email protected], starsuncloud@c... wrote:
That's 3 flights in our plane. The kids don't ask for cable TV. They
ask to fly. Why would I want to pay for something our family doesn't
want, instead of paying for something they do?? Why are people so
uncomfortable with the idea that some people (including some kids)
prefer other things to TV?? Isn't unschooling about choice and
following people's interests? TV seems to be a big sticking point for
people, like it's something everyone *must* have. I see it as one
option that we might choose to have. Right now, we don't choose to
pay to have it.
Even after we've spent a week in a motel with cable TV, the kids have
not asked us to get cable at home. Even after we go to friend's
houses that have TV, the kids have not asked us to get it. The kids
are exposed to it, it's not like we don't let them watch it when
we're someplace with a TV. They know what one is, they just prefer
other things. My son got a real bike for his birthday, with gears and
handbrakes and everything. He is totally in love with it and has
named it "Bluebell". Should we have foregone buying him that (which
cost 10 months worth of basic cable) in order to provide him with
something else (cable) that he doesn't want?
And now, I've got to go pack up a lunch. The sun is shining and the
skies are blue, and after our open HS gymnastics time, we're going
flying.
Blue Skies,
-Robin-
> Most all cable companies have a basic package that doesn't costmuch at all.
> You don't get as many channels, but it's great to get goodreception and
> still a lot of good channels.A quick internet search revealed that in our area it's over $30.00.
> Ours is only 11.90 a month.
That's 3 flights in our plane. The kids don't ask for cable TV. They
ask to fly. Why would I want to pay for something our family doesn't
want, instead of paying for something they do?? Why are people so
uncomfortable with the idea that some people (including some kids)
prefer other things to TV?? Isn't unschooling about choice and
following people's interests? TV seems to be a big sticking point for
people, like it's something everyone *must* have. I see it as one
option that we might choose to have. Right now, we don't choose to
pay to have it.
Even after we've spent a week in a motel with cable TV, the kids have
not asked us to get cable at home. Even after we go to friend's
houses that have TV, the kids have not asked us to get it. The kids
are exposed to it, it's not like we don't let them watch it when
we're someplace with a TV. They know what one is, they just prefer
other things. My son got a real bike for his birthday, with gears and
handbrakes and everything. He is totally in love with it and has
named it "Bluebell". Should we have foregone buying him that (which
cost 10 months worth of basic cable) in order to provide him with
something else (cable) that he doesn't want?
And now, I've got to go pack up a lunch. The sun is shining and the
skies are blue, and after our open HS gymnastics time, we're going
flying.
Blue Skies,
-Robin-
Deborah Lewis
On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 17:28:19 -0000 "the_clevengers
<diamondair@...> writes:
***Why are people so
uncomfortable with the idea that some people (including some kids)
prefer other things to TV?? ***
I'm sure it's no big deal at your house Robin.
My family has other things to do besides TV too. Just because there's
TV in the house doesn't mean people never chose to do something else.
The sad and sticky point would be if you're kids were wishing they had a
TV and you were insisting they didn't need one. You say that's not the
case, that your kids don't ask for TV, and if everyone's happy that's
cool.
It would be a serious bummer if your kids wanted TV but felt they
couldn't ask because you've made your feelings about it known strongly
and they think they wouldn't get one anyway.
So, it's not about a TV or an airplane or a box of rocks, it's about
parents controlling what kids get to do because the parents have decided
they know what's best.
My uncle had a Super Cub for years and then also bought a Cessna 140. He
used to take us flying, his runway was a cow pasture, and we thought it
was perfect joy to go flying with him.
Deb L
<diamondair@...> writes:
***Why are people so
uncomfortable with the idea that some people (including some kids)
prefer other things to TV?? ***
I'm sure it's no big deal at your house Robin.
My family has other things to do besides TV too. Just because there's
TV in the house doesn't mean people never chose to do something else.
The sad and sticky point would be if you're kids were wishing they had a
TV and you were insisting they didn't need one. You say that's not the
case, that your kids don't ask for TV, and if everyone's happy that's
cool.
It would be a serious bummer if your kids wanted TV but felt they
couldn't ask because you've made your feelings about it known strongly
and they think they wouldn't get one anyway.
So, it's not about a TV or an airplane or a box of rocks, it's about
parents controlling what kids get to do because the parents have decided
they know what's best.
My uncle had a Super Cub for years and then also bought a Cessna 140. He
used to take us flying, his runway was a cow pasture, and we thought it
was perfect joy to go flying with him.
Deb L
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/7/03 11:23:11 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
And when I sell my book and become a wildly famous author and I can
afford my own lear jet (complete with bathroom), it won't ever be a
problem... :-) >>
Pick me up on the way!! lol
You must compete frequently......I can leave anytime during tri season, being
the non-dedicated triathlete that I am!!
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<<
And when I sell my book and become a wildly famous author and I can
afford my own lear jet (complete with bathroom), it won't ever be a
problem... :-) >>
Pick me up on the way!! lol
You must compete frequently......I can leave anytime during tri season, being
the non-dedicated triathlete that I am!!
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
the_clevengers <[email protected]>
--- In [email protected], starsuncloud@c... wrote:
dependable months without rain, almost every race imaginable is
squeezed into that timeframe - July through September, with August
being the least rainy and therefore most popular. There's two races
in August I want to do (actually there's about six, but I've picked
two), and they bracket the conference. I'm also trying to start a
triathlon club and do some coaching as well, so it will be a busy
season this year! The other months of the year I can do whatever, but
I've got 6 - 8 races squeezed into a few months time...
Blue Skies,
-Robin-
> You must compete frequently......I can leave anytime during triseason, being
> the non-dedicated triathlete that I am!!Maybe it depends on where you live. Since the Northwest has about 3
dependable months without rain, almost every race imaginable is
squeezed into that timeframe - July through September, with August
being the least rainy and therefore most popular. There's two races
in August I want to do (actually there's about six, but I've picked
two), and they bracket the conference. I'm also trying to start a
triathlon club and do some coaching as well, so it will be a busy
season this year! The other months of the year I can do whatever, but
I've got 6 - 8 races squeezed into a few months time...
Blue Skies,
-Robin-