Alan & Brenda Leonard

1/28/03 02:13:

> Maybe black people play around with that horrible name just so they can
> own the name. Maybe that's better than waiting for some white person to
> call them that or their children that.

That's where Queer Nation's name came from. They are (were?) a large gay
rights group, for the British and otherwise underinformed. They took the
most common insult and made it theirs. Sort of the "you can't hurt me with
it anymore" attitude.

brenda

Alan & Brenda Leonard

1/28/03 02:13:

> Can anyone refresh my memory on what the letters in F*CK stand for?
>
> I know it is an acronym that came from some kind of royal decree or something.
>
> Anyone know?

Probably the most common words you hear for it is

for unlawful carnal knowledge.

But Sandra (our resident word-fiend) has told us in the past that it's not
really true. Pity, I rather liked it.

brenda

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Since we were on the topic of word origins and cuss words and such, I thought
some of you might enjoy this.

14. Behind the Name: The Etymology and History of First Names
http://www.behindthename.com/

Created by Mike Campbell, a Canadian with a great interest in
linguistics, this site is a cornucopia of information about the
etymologies of first names. Containing information on over 11,000 first
names, users can begin by entering their own first name into the search
engine (which can be customized), and information will be returned about
the origin of the name and other helpful details. From the site's home
page, users can also click on a number of topical headings, such as
Spanish Names or Biblical Names to see an entire list of names related
to these cultures or themes. Also helpful are a series of short essays
on the general origins of first names, names by usage, and elements of
first names. Users can both post questions to the message boards
provided on the site and view lists of the most popular names by year,
going all the way back to the year 1900. [KMG]

Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."

----Frances Hodgson
Burnett

Jeff & Kate Kerr

****That's where Queer Nation's name came from. They are (were?) a
large gay
rights group, for the British and otherwise underinformed. They took
the
most common insult and made it theirs. Sort of the "you can't hurt me
with
it anymore" attitude.
brenda****

Eve Ensler does that with the word cunt in the Vagina Monologues.
Taking it from insulting and making it empowering. I loved that part.

Kate
who doesn't mind swear words at all

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In a message dated 1/27/03 11:42:10 PM, abtleo@... writes:

<< But Sandra (our resident word-fiend) has told us in the past that it's not
really true. Pity, I rather liked it. >>

I get blamed for EVERYTHING.
<g>

Sandra

Tia Leschke

> > Maybe black people play around with that horrible name just so they can
> > own the name. Maybe that's better than waiting for some white person to
> > call them that or their children that.
>
> That's where Queer Nation's name came from. They are (were?) a large gay
> rights group, for the British and otherwise underinformed. They took the
> most common insult and made it theirs. Sort of the "you can't hurt me
with
> it anymore" attitude.
>
And now the kids around here have taken the word gay and turned it into
anything negative. "Oh that's so Gay!" is a comment that has nothing to do
with homosexuality in their minds. It's just something negative . . . sigh.
Tia

Susan Fuerst

Can anyone refresh my memory on what the letters in F*CK stand for?
>
> I know it is an acronym that came from some kind of royal decree or
something.
>
> Anyone know?

I thought it stood for Fornication Under Consent of the King....at least
that's what some seminarian told me long ago.
Susan

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In a message dated 1/28/03 4:14:24 PM, fuerst@... writes:

<< I thought it stood for Fornication Under Consent of the King....at least
that's what some seminarian told me long ago. >>

It's not true, though.
And it's not my fault it's not true, either!!

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/29/03 4:13:58 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:

<<
The other day my dd (3 ¼) startled me when she rushed up to me and asked
me to “scrub her asshole”. I asked why, and she told me it had paint all
over it. She was referring to her easel. In the spirit of John Holt we
are refraining from correcting her pronunciation, and getting a good few
chuckles in the meantime. Last night – “ I really like my asshole”. >>

She'd probably find the Jerky boys VERY funny....but maybe you should wait
until she's a bit older and you've told her this story. :)

Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."

----Frances Hodgson
Burnett

Liza Sabater

On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 06:14 PM, Susan Fuerst wrote:

>
> Can anyone refresh my memory on what the letters in F*CK stand for?
>

for
unlawful
carnal
knowledge

as i unerstand it, it is a legal term


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/29/03 10:22:29 PM, liza@... writes:

<< for
unlawful
carnal
knowledge

as i unerstand it, it is a legal term >>

It's really, truly, honestly not.
It's a Germanic verb from way, way back.

Heidi <[email protected]>

Fornication
Under
Consent of the
King

LOL

Heidi

--- In [email protected], Liza Sabater <liza@c...>
wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 06:14 PM, Susan Fuerst wrote:
>
> >
> > Can anyone refresh my memory on what the letters in F*CK stand
for?
> >
>
> for
> unlawful
> carnal
> knowledge
>
> as i unerstand it, it is a legal term
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Heidi <[email protected]>

>
> It's really, truly, honestly not.
> It's a Germanic verb from way, way back.

I was trying to find it in my German-English dictionary. No luck! L
Fuchsen is fox; fugen is "to yield."

but I think the German verb still exists, as zu fuchen or some such.

Heidi

Liza Sabater

On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 01:44 AM, Alan & Brenda Leonard wrote:

> 1/28/03 02:13:
>
> > Maybe black people play around with that horrible name just so they
> can
> > own the name. Maybe that's better than waiting for some white person
> to
> > call them that or their children that.
>
> That's where Queer Nation's name came from.  They are (were?) a large
> gay
> rights group, for the British and otherwise underinformed.  They took
> the
> most common insult and made it theirs.  Sort of the "you can't hurt me
> with
> it anymore" attitude.

one of the best performance groups to come out of san francisco was the
PomoAfroHomos.

liza

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Liza Sabater

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 12:35 AM, SandraDodd@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/29/03 10:22:29 PM, liza@... writes:
>
> << for
> unlawful
> carnal
> knowledge
>
> as i unerstand it, it is a legal term >>
>
> It's really, truly, honestly not. 
> It's a Germanic verb from way, way back.
>

i can believe that. but for some bizarre reason i have it in my head
that here in nyc it was the legal term for fornicating with a
prostitute back in the 19th century.

btw: it's cute what people consider curse words. i actually get rocked
out of my socks every time i hear cursing in spanish and, especially,
italian. i guess having the vatican has made taking the name of god,
the virgin and every saint in the book a national past time.

liza


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/30/2003 12:35:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
> It's really, truly, honestly not.
> It's a Germanic verb from way, way back.
>

And if I'm not mistaken, the German verb is "ficken". At least that's what we
college kis learmed. "Bumsen" is also acceptable. Those both could be
student-exchange words, though; I'll have to check further.

~Kelly


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/30/2003 12:50:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bunsofaluminum60@... writes:


> I was trying to find it in my German-English dictionary. No luck! L
> Fuchsen is fox; fugen is "to yield."
>
> but I think the German verb still exists, as zu fuchen or some such.

I don't think a German-English dictionary would have it. <G>

A real German dictionary, MAYBE. But they're in to censorship too!

~Kelly


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Fetteroll

on 1/30/03 7:51 AM, kbcdlovejo@... at kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> And if I'm not mistaken, the German verb is "ficken". At least that's what we
> college kis learmed. "Bumsen" is also acceptable. Those both could be
> student-exchange words, though; I'll have to check further.

If you type them into Google, you'll get German porn sites. If you translate
the pages into English, Google passes those 2 words on untranslated.

Joyce

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In a message dated 1/30/2003 8:05:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fetteroll@... writes:
> If you type them into Google, you'll get German porn sites. If you translate
> the pages into English, Google passes those 2 words on untranslated.
> Joyce
>

Then I'm probably not too far off!! <G>


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/29/03 10:50:44 PM, bunsofaluminum60@... writes:

<< I was trying to find it in my German-English dictionary. No luck! L
Fuchsen is fox; fugen is "to yield." >>

Right. <g>

Not many English dictionaries have it.

If my foot weren't hurting I might go up a floor and a half to look in the
big American Heritage with the Indo-European roots. My foot hurts. Maybe
tomorrow.

-=-it is no less clear that the English and German words are cognates. 'To
_fuck_' apparently combines the vocalism of f_u_tuere+the consonantism of
fi_ck_en, which might derive from _*f"cken_ (only dubiously attested). -=-

Boring. But what it means is there is a German word which came (LONG ago)
from the same pre-German word that English's word came from in those same
ancient days. Stone age days. I don't know. Indo European days. <g>

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/29/03 11:15:39 PM, liza@... writes:

<< btw: it's cute what people consider curse words. i actually get rocked

out of my socks every time i hear cursing in spanish and, especially,

italian. i guess having the vatican has made taking the name of god,

the virgin and every saint in the book a national past time.

>>

On the DVD of The Wizard of Oz, you can watch it in French. They say that
in France it used to be shown on TV every single year too, as it was here,
and it's really popular there.

When in English Dorothy would say "gosh" or "golly," in French she says "Mon
Dieu!"
And every time I heard it I cringed, thinking Auntie Em was going to wipe the
lye soap RIGHT on her tongue for that (being a good Christian woman <g>).

Sandra

Helen Cain

At 07:14 PM 1/31/03 -0500, SandraDodd@... wrote: (or quoted)

>-=-it is no less clear that the English and German words are cognates. 'To
>_fuck_' apparently combines the vocalism of f_u_tuere+the consonantism of
>fi_ck_en, which might derive from _*f"cken_ (only dubiously attested). -=-
>
>Boring. But what it means is there is a German word which came (LONG ago)
>from the same pre-German word that English's word came from in those same
>ancient days. Stone age days. I don't know. Indo European days. <g>

And in Dutch -- Dutch being a "Germanic" language like German and English
-- "fokken" means to breed, as in "I breed racehorses". (I don't, LOL) I
see a clear connection in meaning there. It's not at all rude to say it,
gives us native English speakers a jolt when it occurs in polite
conversation, though. That native language conditioning is hard to shake!

Saaitje (a newbie, I'm not really ready to post yet, I'm still settling in,
but I thought I'd like to share that bit of knowledge with you.)


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In a message dated 4/20/03 5:25:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

<< Do any of you wear out dictionaries? We do. >>

Oh YES!! Ours has the back binding flapping around right now, it looks very
well loved.

Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."

----Frances Hodgson Burnett