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In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:41:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:
> Is the phrase 'shut-up' ultra rude in America?
> Several people have got bent out of shape cos my kids use it. It's not
> super polite in the UK but people wouldn't bat an eyelid about it.

Oh yeah! On the "Bad Word List" (that'll probably get your mouth washed out
with soap or get a smack across your mouth by many parents I know) are:

Shut up
Idiot
Stupid
Poop
Piss
Bastard
Bitch


and of course the usual suspects:
Damn/Damn it
Goddamn
Fuck
Shit

I'm sure there are others I'm not registering right now. Anyone care to add?

~Kelly


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the_clevengers <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:41:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@v... writes:
> > Is the phrase 'shut-up' ultra rude in America?
> > Several people have got bent out of shape cos my kids use it.
It's not
> > super polite in the UK but people wouldn't bat an eyelid about
it.


I think in general that phrases we would consider "rude" in America
are used more in the UK, but with a more tongue-in-cheekiness. I know
British people who, for instance, would think nothing of calling a
girlfriend a "stupid cow" to her face, whereas that would more or
less be grounds for divorce or end of friendship here :-). British
humor and sarcasm often goes right over American heads. But
yes, "shut up" is generally thought of to be quite a rude thing to
say here.

Blue Skies,
-Robin-

Shyrley

kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:41:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@... writes:
> > Is the phrase 'shut-up' ultra rude in America?
> > Several people have got bent out of shape cos my kids use it. It's not
> > super polite in the UK but people wouldn't bat an eyelid about it.
>
> Oh yeah! On the "Bad Word List" (that'll probably get your mouth washed out
> with soap or get a smack across your mouth by many parents I know) are:
>
> Shut up
> Idiot
> Stupid
> Poop
> Piss
> Bastard
> Bitch
>
> and of course the usual suspects:
> Damn/Damn it
> Goddamn
> Fuck
> Shit
>
> I'm sure there are others I'm not registering right now. Anyone care to add?
>
> ~Kelly
>

So Rhodri's favourite saying when he's really angry of 'shut up you fucking bastard!' is real popular. That might explain why no-one talks to me here in Perfectville.
My accent doesn't help either. I say 'feck' a lot. Its not rude. Its normal everyday stuff in Ireland and back home but people mis-hear it.

Shyrley

marji

At 12:18 1/27/03 -0500, Kelly wrote:
>Oh yeah! On the "Bad Word List" (that'll probably get your mouth washed out
>with soap or get a smack across your mouth by many parents I know) are:
>
>Shut up
>Idiot
>Stupid
>Poop
>Piss
>Bastard
>Bitch
>
>
>and of course the usual suspects:
>Damn/Damn it
>Goddamn
>Fuck
>Shit
>
>I'm sure there are others I'm not registering right now. Anyone care to add?
>
>~Kelly

Kelly, I'm gonna have to come right over there and wash your computer out
with soap!

Truth is that Liam had been indoctrinated to all those words by an older
friend of his when he was much younger. I had to then explain to him that
although there's really no such thing as a "bad" word, there are words that
you might say in the company of someone else's mother that will cause you
not to be invited over to play anymore and you can end up losing a
friend. I also cautioned him that sometimes using words off the above list
to express anger can become a habit (as is often demonstrated for us by
Liam's dad) that's hard to break, and words can leak out of our mouths
before we've had a chance to turn them into something else.

Watching the movie "The Christmas Story" this past year was very helpful in
illustrating these points.

Liam really got it and does not use "shut up," but you'd blush to hear the
insults he comes up with when he's playing a particularly challenging
Nintendo game. One of the unmentioned benefits of video games!

Marji

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In a message dated 1/27/03 12:19:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

> I'm sure there are others I'm not registering right now. Anyone care to add?
>
>

My sons favorite is Fart. As in you fart head. I always get the evil eye on
that one.
Pam G.


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cindyjsowers <[email protected]>

"Add BUTT to the list."

Butt is a bad word, too?? I'm new to the list. I have been reading
for awhile. Have learned a lot, to say the least. I've used "butt"
my whole life and no one has ever said anything about it. My little
kids use it. I have been in homes where you can't say, "I have to
pee", either, because it just makes their skin crawl. I think you
are supposed to say "I need to use the lavatory" or something. But
who ever says that? And often there is no bath in the bathroom, so
to state you have to use the "bathroom" would be misleading.

Anyone in Vermont? I just moved here from Seattle and it is colder
than you can believe here. I am freezing my butt off!

Cindy

Mary Bianco

<<Shut up
Idiot
Stupid
Poop
Piss
Bastard
Bitch


and of course the usual suspects:
Damn/Damn it
Goddamn
Fuck
Shit>>


(I don't see the first three around here as being in the same category. We
say stupid as long as we don't actually call someone stupid. Poop is a
regualr every day word around here!!! Piss is used as in pissed off. My mom
hates that word but I hear it all the time, even on TV. It doesn't offend me
but I will refrain around mom. <BEG> I use bitch on occasion referring to a
certain someone and bastard, well, it's just not needed. LOL!!! Goddamn I
don't use but the others do come about every now and then. Usually only
around my hubby, oldest daughter and a friend or two. I guess it all depends
on where you are and who you are around. As far as shut up goes, we don't
use it although on occasion, when our little Beagle gets in her mood and
starts howling at Ozzy, I have been known to shout it out at her! It's
usually right before I have the thought of strangling her. <BG>

Mary B


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>From: Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...>

<<So Rhodri's favourite saying when he's really angry of 'shut up you
fucking bastard!' is real popular. That might explain why no-one talks to me
here in Perfectville.>>


That would indeed curl my spine coming from anyone under normal
circumstances! And in all honesty, especially a child.

Mary B


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" Anyone in Vermont? I just moved here from Seattle and it is colder
than you can believe here. I am freezing my butt off! "

Hi Cindy - I'm in MA, not VT, but you just need to develop the
NEnglander's view on weather: Sure it's only 19 degrees today, but
doesn't it feel warm compared to last week? I hear it might hit 24
tomorrow, so we're going to plan something outside to take advantage of
the nice weather :0). Is there anything better than hot chocolate and a
toasted marshmallow? Just think what those poor saps in *insert warm
place here* are missing! (oh, and if you're ever at my parent's house,
just say "excuse me" and go do your business. They don't want to know
that butts, pee, or toilets exist!) ~Rue




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Mary Bianco

>From: genant2@...

<<My sons favorite is Fart. As in you fart head. I always get the evil eye
on that one.>>


LOL!! Now see, I think that's funny!! My 2 year old Alyssa calls everyone a
poophead. She loves that word and uses it especially on Tara. Which Tara's
boyfriend finds hysterical. Of course Tara, (17) calls it right back to her.
I always ask Tara how old she is when the two of them start name calling!!
Of course it's all in fun and not anger.

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**"shut up" is generally thought of to be quite a rude thing to
say here.**



Although, I'll be sitting around with a bunch of friends and they'll tell me something and I'll hit them and say "Shut, UP?!" Like, no way. We did have to explain the differences tho' to my friends daughter who sat there staring at me, I'm sure she was thinking, how rude, Her mother had to explain how friends sometimes do the tongue in cheek thing,



I think I would fit right in in Britain!



Think I'm more European than American sometimes.



Kelli








"the_clevengers <diamondair@...>" <diamondair@...> wrote:--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:41:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@v... writes:
> > Is the phrase 'shut-up' ultra rude in America?
> > Several people have got bent out of shape cos my kids use it.
It's not
> > super polite in the UK but people wouldn't bat an eyelid about
it.


I think in general that phrases we would consider "rude" in America
are used more in the UK, but with a more tongue-in-cheekiness. I know
British people who, for instance, would think nothing of calling a
girlfriend a "stupid cow" to her face, whereas that would more or
less be grounds for divorce or end of friendship here :-). British
humor and sarcasm often goes right over American heads. But
yes, "shut up" is generally thought of to be quite a rude thing to
say here.

Blue Skies,
-Robin-



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Have a Nice Day!

I think I would fit right in in Britain!



Think I'm more European than American sometimes.<<

Me too. One of my best friends went to Norway to visit her brother there. They wre in a restaurant when a girl took off her shirt because it was so hot. (70 deg is hot there I guess :o)).

I think we've done ourselves great detriment by demonizing what is natural.

Kristen

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"the_clevengers <diamondair@...>" <diamondair@...> wrote:--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:41:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@v... writes:
> > Is the phrase 'shut-up' ultra rude in America?
> > Several people have got bent out of shape cos my kids use it.
It's not
> > super polite in the UK but people wouldn't bat an eyelid about
it.


I think in general that phrases we would consider "rude" in America
are used more in the UK, but with a more tongue-in-cheekiness. I know
British people who, for instance, would think nothing of calling a
girlfriend a "stupid cow" to her face, whereas that would more or
less be grounds for divorce or end of friendship here :-). British
humor and sarcasm often goes right over American heads. But
yes, "shut up" is generally thought of to be quite a rude thing to
say here.

Blue Skies,
-Robin-



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In a message dated 1/27/2003 12:37:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
marji@... writes:
> Truth is that Liam had been indoctrinated to all those words by an older
> friend of his when he was much younger. I had to then explain to him that
> although there's really no such thing as a "bad" word, there are words that
>
> you might say in the company of someone else's mother that will cause you
> not to be invited over to play anymore and you can end up losing a
> friend. I also cautioned him that sometimes using words off the above list
>
> to express anger can become a habit (as is often demonstrated for us by
> Liam's dad) that's hard to break, and words can leak out of our mouths
> before we've had a chance to turn them into something else.

Yep.

OH! That one can be added to the list too. YEP! Go figure!

I INSIST, when other kids tell me and Duncan that ____ is a bad word, that
there are NO bad words. Some meanings and connotations can be considered
insulting and inappropriate, and we should all know when to use which words.
Most Grandmas would rather not hear certain words. Some families have bans on
some words. Some situations call for certain language. A bunch of 17 year
olds watching a football game wouldn't use the same language as when they're
at tea with the queen. Common Sense!

My (6 yrold) niece is not allowed to watch Rugrats because Angelica says the
"S"-word. I asked, "What S-word?" "You know, S-S-S-S-S." I was
stumped--really. She said "S-S-S-S----OOOO , OOOpid" I was floored. She won't
even say it outloud.

I just can't see why it wouldn't be better to explain that there are times
and places for everything. To use good judgement. NOT restrictions.

~Kelly



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Shyrley

Mary Bianco wrote:

> >From: Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...>
>
> <<So Rhodri's favourite saying when he's really angry of 'shut up you
> fucking bastard!' is real popular. That might explain why no-one talks to me
> here in Perfectville.>>
>
> That would indeed curl my spine coming from anyone under normal
> circumstances! And in all honesty, especially a child.
>
> Mary B
>

Generally he's good natured and never swears but he has a temper to match his red hair and if someone keeps on at him when he's like that (and people do try and jolly him out of it even though I have
warned them not to even approach him) thats what he comes out with.
Then people stop inviting us round. Even though I warned them to leave him be.
His temper burns hot n fierce. If he's left alone after 10 mins its all gone. No grudges and he's sunny natured again.
Persoanlly swearing doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Shyrley

Shyrley

"Have a Nice Day!" wrote:

> I think I would fit right in in Britain!
>
> Think I'm more European than American sometimes.<<
>
> Me too. One of my best friends went to Norway to visit her brother there. They wre in a restaurant when a girl took off her shirt because it was so hot. (70 deg is hot there I guess :o)).
>
> I think we've done ourselves great detriment by demonizing what is natural.
>
> Kristen
>
> Kristen
>

Well, y'all gonna have to come live with me when I move back. A community of unschoolers where we can swear and dye our hair pink and climb trees all day :-)

Shyrley

Kelli Traaseth

Yep,

I was in Norway in 2001, they had to pull me out. They have closed borders or I'd be there.

Kelli


Have a Nice Day! <litlrooh@...> wrote:

I think I would fit right in in Britain!



Think I'm more European than American sometimes.<<

Me too. One of my best friends went to Norway to visit her brother there. They wre in a restaurant when a girl took off her shirt because it was so hot. (70 deg is hot there I guess :o)).

I think we've done ourselves great detriment by demonizing what is natural.

Kristen

Kristen




Kelli








"the_clevengers <diamondair@...>" <diamondair@...> wrote:--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:41:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@v... writes:
> > Is the phrase 'shut-up' ultra rude in America?
> > Several people have got bent out of shape cos my kids use it.
It's not
> > super polite in the UK but people wouldn't bat an eyelid about
it.


I think in general that phrases we would consider "rude" in America
are used more in the UK, but with a more tongue-in-cheekiness. I know
British people who, for instance, would think nothing of calling a
girlfriend a "stupid cow" to her face, whereas that would more or
less be grounds for divorce or end of friendship here :-). British
humor and sarcasm often goes right over American heads. But
yes, "shut up" is generally thought of to be quite a rude thing to
say here.

Blue Skies,
-Robin-



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In a message dated 1/27/2003 12:53:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kellitraas@... writes:


> **"shut up" is generally thought of to be quite a rude thing to
> say here.**
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
I think it depends on age group and maybe geographical location (maybe). I
work at a gymnastics academy and a large number of our instructors or early
20's to 30's and they are constantly telling each other to shut up - they
hang out together outside of work to. I also notice a lot of the kids when
the parents aren't around say that to each other. I can't help but laugh
when I hear "Shut up. Are you serious?" lol When I started working there in
Sept. I was quite appauled at how they talked to each other but I've gotten
use to it. ---Tammy


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Heidi <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:41:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@v... writes:
> > Is the phrase 'shut-up' ultra rude in America?

Hi Shyrley

What would happen to me if I said "lookit that cute little bugger"
about a baby? or a child, or a puppy or kitten or whatever?

:D

I bet I can guess

Heidi

cindyjsowers <[email protected]>

Rue wrote:
> NEnglander's view on weather: Sure it's only 19 degrees today, but
> doesn't it feel warm compared to last week? I hear it might hit 24
> tomorrow, so we're going to plan something outside to take
advantage of
> the nice weather :0).

Rue,

I only WISH it were 19 degrees! That sounds bordering on BALMY. It
is -2 right now here (20 miles north of Burlington), but was -10
earlier today. Wind chill makes it way below that. Tomorrow,
though, is supposed to be around +15, so that is making a move in
the proper direction. People in warm climates just don't have any
inkling what a sub zero day is really about! You look outside and
it is just unbelievably sunny. Sky is clear. Just goregous. The
snow looks lucious. And you feel you could just open a window and
breathe in all that fresh air. It's very deceiving. It's all new
to me. I find that outside activities are just fine at 15 and
above. Anything below that, and you are freezing your "fanny" off!
Ha ha. My kids are little, so taking them outside in below zero
weather is not a very good idea I think. Even my dogs, who are
furry like polar bears, think it is a bit chilly. At this point, we
are watching quite a lot of cartoons and playing computer games.
Once in awhile we'll look through a book on sea life or something,
and, since we are practically in our pajamas 24 hours a day when it
is this cold, even that seems like a bit much in the effort
department. Cold makes us lazy. Hopefully tomorrow we'll be out
ice skating or something. The fact that you don't have to go to an
ice rink and pay is a bonus -- free skating right outdoors,
imagine! Enjoy your 19 degree weather. Sounds warm to me!

Cindy

Jon and Rue Kream

"It is -2 right now here (20 miles north of Burlington) "

Ahh, that's what last week was like here. Time to hibernate :0) ~Rue


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Shyrley

"Heidi " wrote:

> --- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:41:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > shyrley.williams@v... writes:
> > > Is the phrase 'shut-up' ultra rude in America?
>
> Hi Shyrley
>
> What would happen to me if I said "lookit that cute little bugger"
> about a baby? or a child, or a puppy or kitten or whatever?
>
> :D
>
> I bet I can guess
>
> Heidi
>

Nowt I would imagine. I often say 'cute little bugger, ain't she.'
I expect the Queen might frown however.

Shyrley

kayb85 <[email protected]>

> The conclusion is that we are SURE that none of our kids wrote that
and one
> of the kids from the private school did.
> Driving in the car on the way home, my kids asked us what
a 'nigger' was -
> they've never heard that term and honestly didn't know what it
meant. We
> explained as tactfully as we could and turned it into a history
lesson of
> sorts.
> Sad but true story.
> Another "bad" word around here.
>
> Karin

But it's only bad when a white person says it. If a black person
says it it's ok, and they say it to each other all the time. I never
did get that.

Sheila

Heidi <[email protected]>

Nowt? You're talking like my 15 year old!

So, saying bugger about someone isn't considered faux pas in UK? I
always heard it was...still, a frown from the Queen...LOL

Heidi

--- In [email protected], Shyrley
<shyrley.williams@v...> wrote:
>
>
> "Heidi " wrote:
>
> > --- In [email protected], kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:41:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > shyrley.williams@v... writes:
> > > > Is the phrase 'shut-up' ultra rude in America?
> >
> > Hi Shyrley
> >
> > What would happen to me if I said "lookit that cute little bugger"
> > about a baby? or a child, or a puppy or kitten or whatever?
> >
> > :D
> >
> > I bet I can guess
> >
> > Heidi
> >
>
> Nowt I would imagine. I often say 'cute little bugger, ain't she.'
> I expect the Queen might frown however.
>
> Shyrley

Shyrley

"Heidi " wrote:

> Nowt? You're talking like my 15 year old!

I'm from the west and north west of England so we say 'nowt' 'summat' 'owt' 'mardy' and various other things that puzzle poeple here :-)

>
>
> So, saying bugger about someone isn't considered faux pas in UK?

Not really. Hence the expressions, 'well I'll be buggered' for I'm astonished/amazed. 'I can't be buggered' means I can't be bothered. 'Bugger that' means I'm not doing that or no chance. Bugger all as
in 'there were bugger all apples in the shop' - there were no apples in the shop.



> I
> always heard it was...still, a frown from the Queen...LOL

Yeah I think the nobs don't talk like normal people and you probably wouldn't say it in a business meeting but since I don't mix with nobs and I've never been in a business meeting there's no probs :-)

Am I leading y'all astray yet?

Shyrley

Mary Bianco

>From: Shyrley <shyrley.williams@...>

<<Generally he's good natured and never swears but he has a temper to match
his red hair and if someone keeps on at him when he's like that (and people
do try and jolly him out of it even though I have
warned them not to even approach him) thats what he comes out with.
Then people stop inviting us round. Even though I warned them to leave him
be.
His temper burns hot n fierce. If he's left alone after 10 mins its all
gone. No grudges and he's sunny natured again.
Persoanlly swearing doesn't bother me in the slightest.>>


I must say that when I said it would make my spine curl, I was figuring on
hearing it in public and from someone I wasn't familiar with. If we were
friends and I knew the child and how his temper was, the first time I would
probably have to leave the room to keep from laughing. So in general the
"bad" words don't really bother me but when heard in public places from
people I don't know, I tend to not like them. My kids hear plenty here from
us slipping at times and also from movies and even the radio. It's no big
deal and they don't use them. Not sure what I would feel like if one of them
under the age of say 15 or so would come out with fuck. It's just the way we
are and what we are use to. There has been a time or two when Tara and
Joseph were little and they came out with hell or damn and I thought it was
hysterical.

Then again, when out in public and I hear the f word a lot from kids around
all kind of people, I don't like it and have said something at times.

Mary B


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Well, y'all gonna have to come live with me when I move back. A community of unschoolers where we can swear and dye our hair pink and climb trees all day :-)
LOLOL!! and sunbathe nude???

Kristen


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In a message dated 1/27/03 10:19:36 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:

<< I'm sure there are others I'm not registering right now. Anyone care to
add? >>

prick
cock
schmuck

Jesus or any forms of names of God/Christ casually used ("in vain")

You can say those things behind people's backs in private ("I wish that
dumbass prick would shut the fuck up") to vent, but you can't say any part of
it in front of strangers or to the person's face. Unless they're friends of
yours.

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/27/03 10:24:28 AM, diamondair@... writes:

<< I know
British people who, for instance, would think nothing of calling a
girlfriend a "stupid cow" to her face, whereas that would more or
less be grounds for divorce or end of friendship here :-) >>

Or even JUST stupid or JUST cow, but yes, the combination would be the end of
future eye contact.

Sandra

Karin

>
> Oh yeah! On the "Bad Word List" (that'll probably get your mouth washed
out
> with soap or get a smack across your mouth by many parents I know) are:
>
> Shut up
> Idiot
> Stupid
> Poop
> Piss
> Bastard
> Bitch
>
>
> and of course the usual suspects:
> Damn/Damn it
> Goddamn
> Fuck
> Shit
>
> I'm sure there are others I'm not registering right now. Anyone care to
add?
>
> ~Kelly


You forgot Ass!
Also one's my kids haven't heard yet like slut, whore (or is that ho?)

A side story -
About a month ago my kids and other kids from our homeschool group had a
small chess tournament against another chess team from a private (religious)
school. It was 5 against 5 team members.
As kids finished up their chess games and went into another room to play, we
parents were just waiting in the main room for the tournament to end.
The other (play) room had a chalk board in it.
After everyone was done playing and the other team left, one of the mom's in
our group went to check the room to make sure everything was cleaned up and
saw that someone had written on the chalk board "die nigger".
There wasn't even ANY black people anywhere around the place!
She asked if any of our kids had anything do to with it or if they saw
anyone writing it.
Some of our kids said they saw some of the kids from the other school
fooling around on the chalk board.

The conclusion is that we are SURE that none of our kids wrote that and one
of the kids from the private school did.
Driving in the car on the way home, my kids asked us what a 'nigger' was -
they've never heard that term and honestly didn't know what it meant. We
explained as tactfully as we could and turned it into a history lesson of
sorts.
Sad but true story.
Another "bad" word around here.

Karin