Have a Nice Day!

I wonder how many kids in school are sleep deprived for 12 years?

I wonder how much of that contributes to their "problems" in school, "problems" at home, and the general rebellion of teenagers.

Just thinking out loud here.

I know what it is to be sleep deprived for too long. When I worked till 3 am 2-3 nights/week (not just weekends like now) I actually fell asleep while I walked around with my eyes open while I was at WORK.

I had a dream and everything. Scary huh? Maybe some kids that are "daydreaming" are actually sleeping??

Oh well, just food for thought

Kristen


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Have a Nice Day!

I wonder how many hyperactive kids are kids like mine: tired but getting more wound.

I wonder if that hyperactivity would disappear if those kids didn't have to get up early every day.

Kristen
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I wonder how many kids in school are sleep deprived for 12 years?

I wonder how much of that contributes to their "problems" in school, "problems" at home, and the general rebellion of teenagers.

Just thinking out loud here.

I know what it is to be sleep deprived for too long. When I worked till 3 am 2-3 nights/week (not just weekends like now) I actually fell asleep while I walked around with my eyes open while I was at WORK.

I had a dream and everything. Scary huh? Maybe some kids that are "daydreaming" are actually sleeping??

Oh well, just food for thought

Kristen


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Today is where hope lives because today is when we can make things better than yesterday.

The only thing we can be sure of is today and life isn't worth living if it isn't lived in joy for as many moments of today as we can manage.


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In a message dated 1/23/03 9:51:59 PM, litlrooh@... writes:

<< I had a dream and everything. Scary huh? Maybe some kids that are
"daydreaming" are actually sleeping?? >>

Hallucinations/daydreams are one of the things that happen when people are
kept awake for several days for sleep/fatigue experimentation.

It has led some researchers to say that maybe that's the first purpose of
sleeping, is so the brain can run through its routines, file its new
information, process subconsciously whatever...

Sandra

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/24/2003 10:45:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:
> I was wondering that the other day when I learned that High Scool in this
> County starts at 7.15. In the morning!!!!!!! I thought Elementary was bad
> enough starting at 8. In the UK, all schools start at 9 which
> is still way too early in my opinion but 7.15 is ridiculous. Teens need
> sleep.
>
> Shyrley who gets up about 11
>

Speaking of this: Shyrley--and everybody else---if you HAD to, WANTED to,
get up at 7:15 for something that sounded really cool, for something that
ONLY happens ONCE a year, for TWO days---WOULD YOU???? Or would you oversleep
and complain that NOTHING should start that early?

I'm serious. And this is REAL, not hypothetical. REALLY.

~Kelly


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Shyrley

"Have a Nice Day!" wrote:

> I wonder how many kids in school are sleep deprived for 12 years?
>
> I wonder how much of that contributes to their "problems" in school, "problems" at home, and the general rebellion of teenagers.
>
> Just thinking out loud here.

I was wondering that the other day when I learned that High Scool in this County starts at 7.15. In the morning!!!!!!! I thought Elementary was bad enough starting at 8. In the UK, all schools start at 9 which
is still way too early in my opinion but 7.15 is ridiculous. Teens need sleep.

Shyrley who gets up about 11

Julie Bogart <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], Shyrley
<shyrley.williams@v...> wrote:

> I was wondering that the other day when I learned that High
Scool in this County starts at 7.15. In the morning!!!!!!! I thought
Elementary was bad enough starting at 8. In the UK, all schools
start at 9 which
> is still way too early in my opinion but 7.15 is ridiculous. Teens
need sleep.
>
> Shyrley who gets up about 11

7:15 here too... It's so these exhausted kids can spend two-three
hours *after* school playing sports of acting in school plays. By
the time they get home, they must be ready to drop... but not until
they do homework for those seven classes a day.

My dh, who is an adjunct professor for College Freshman
English, says that his students are literally brain dead. Last year
I subbed for him twice at his 8 a.m. class and some of these "on
their own kids" came in late with Mountain Dew and donuts.
Others with cheetos and coke.

Breakfast! (for the exhausted crowd).

Julie B

Have a Nice Day!

Speaking of this: Shyrley--and everybody else---if you HAD to, WANTED to,
get up at 7:15 for something that sounded really cool, for something that
ONLY happens ONCE a year, for TWO days---WOULD YOU???? Or would you oversleep
and complain that NOTHING should start that early? <<

I think thats a difference between what "should" be and what is reality.

If something really cool was going on, I'd probably complain taht it was too early, but go anyway.

On the other hand, early mornings are really beautiful too and well suited for some things.

Kristen


I'm serious. And this is REAL, not hypothetical. REALLY.

~Kelly


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In a message dated 1/24/03 8:52:13 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:

<< Speaking of this: Shyrley--and everybody else---if you HAD to, WANTED to,
get up at 7:15 for something that sounded really cool, for something that
ONLY happens ONCE a year, for TWO days---WOULD YOU???? Or would you oversleep
and complain that NOTHING should start that early? >>

I would get up at 4:00 for something cool enough.

Shyrley

kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/24/2003 10:45:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@... writes:
> > I was wondering that the other day when I learned that High Scool in this
> > County starts at 7.15. In the morning!!!!!!! I thought Elementary was bad
> > enough starting at 8. In the UK, all schools start at 9 which
> > is still way too early in my opinion but 7.15 is ridiculous. Teens need
> > sleep.
> >
> > Shyrley who gets up about 11
> >
>
> Speaking of this: Shyrley--and everybody else---if you HAD to, WANTED to,
> get up at 7:15 for something that sounded really cool, for something that
> ONLY happens ONCE a year, for TWO days---WOULD YOU???? Or would you oversleep
> and complain that NOTHING should start that early?
>
> I'm serious. And this is REAL, not hypothetical. REALLY.
>
> ~Kelly
>

Just *how* early is this conference gonna be?
I guess I could cope with 9 am.
Actually I'm quite capable of getting up by then for something really really special but the problem is my kids aren't. You should have seen them at 5.30 when we had to get to the airport!

I reckon 9am is reasonable...

Shyrley

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In a message dated 1/24/2003 12:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
shyrley.williams@... writes:

> Just *how* early is this conference gonna be?
> I guess I could cope with 9 am.
> Actually I'm quite capable of getting up by then for something really
> really special but the problem is my kids aren't. You should have seen them
> at 5.30 when we had to get to the airport!
>
> I reckon 9am is reasonable...

<GGGGG>

Last year we started at 8:00 with T'ai Chi at 6:30 (only a few of us showed
up for THAT!). People complained LONG and LOUDLY. So this year we're starting
at 9:00. I have fewer speakers, so I have more time to fiddle with.

I didn't sleep but one hour each night last year---not to mention none for
the two or three days before. Then Ren and her kids spent a few days, and I
felt I needed to get in EVERY minute I could with Ren before she left (I
hated to see them go.).
I sent the boys away the following weekend so I could sleep non-stop.

I KNOW it's something I can do. I DID it! For six days! <G> I just figure
everyone else can do it for TWO days!

~Kelly


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In a message dated 1/24/2003 12:06:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:


> I would get up at 4:00 for something cool enough.
>
>

THANK YOU!

<G>Kelly


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Shyrley

kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/24/2003 12:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> shyrley.williams@... writes:
>
> > Just *how* early is this conference gonna be?
> > I guess I could cope with 9 am.
> > Actually I'm quite capable of getting up by then for something really
> > really special but the problem is my kids aren't. You should have seen them
> > at 5.30 when we had to get to the airport!
> >
> > I reckon 9am is reasonable...
>
> <GGGGG>
>
> Last year we started at 8:00 with T'ai Chi at 6:30 (only a few of us showed
> up for THAT!). People complained LONG and LOUDLY. So this year we're starting
> at 9:00. I have fewer speakers, so I have more time to fiddle with.
>
> I didn't sleep but one hour each night last year---not to mention none for
> the two or three days before. Then Ren and her kids spent a few days, and I
> felt I needed to get in EVERY minute I could with Ren before she left (I
> hated to see them go.).
> I sent the boys away the following weekend so I could sleep non-stop.
>
> I KNOW it's something I can do. I DID it! For six days! <G> I just figure
> everyone else can do it for TWO days!
>
> ~Kelly

I can do it for you Kelly. Cos you're so wonderful arranging this conference.
Lots of coffee, thats the trick.
:-)

Shyrley

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In a message dated 1/24/03 10:54:56 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:

<< I could sleep non-stop.

I KNOW it's something I can do. I DID it! For six days! >>

You slept for SIX DAYS!?

<<<G> I just figure
everyone else can do it for TWO days! >>

I couldn't possibly sleep for ONE full day!!

Sandra the smart-ass

Julie Bogart <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected],
SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/24/03 8:52:13 AM, kbcdlovejo@a...
writes:
>
> << Speaking of this: Shyrley--and everybody else---if you HAD
to, WANTED to,
> get up at 7:15 for something that sounded really cool, for
something that
> ONLY happens ONCE a year, for TWO days---WOULD
YOU???? Or would you oversleep
> and complain that NOTHING should start that early? >>
>
> I would get up at 4:00 for something cool enough.

That is when I get up with my astronomy loving son to view the
planets or a meteor shower. Never knew how much I was
missing by lovinv sleep so much.

Now I know. And I wouldn't miss a meteor shower for anything.

Julie B

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In a message dated 1/24/2003 2:08:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:


> << I could sleep non-stop.
>
> I KNOW it's something I can do. I DID it! For six days! >>
>
> You slept for SIX DAYS!?
>
> <<<G> I just figure
> everyone else can do it for TWO days! >>
>
> I couldn't possibly sleep for ONE full day!!
>
> Sandra the smart-ass
>

SMART-ASS!


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Heidi <[email protected]>

Hi Kelli

Once in awhile, I sleep in until 7:15 a.m. :D not kidding, I'm an
early riser, mostly because I try to get a load of laundry in the
dryer before the rates go up, and also mostly, for my own sanity,
since no one else gets up until after 7:30 (hubby) to 10:00 (Katie,
if she got to bed late the night before). I have a couple of hours
EVERY DAY all by myself! which is a vital component of my mental
health, believe me.

And I'm usually crashing by 9:00 ish, but often up later than that.

Which, speaking of bedtimes, or at least "stay awake all night if you
want, in your own room" isn't getting the kids tucked in nice? Giving
the parents some time alone together without kids in the middle of
it? Around here, everyone is sleepy by 9:30 ish, and those who aren't
do stay in their rooms until they are sleepy. More often than not,
I've gone into Katie's room in the morning, to find her in a nest of
her own making, usually elaborately constructed out of a box, or a
table with a blanket thrown over it, and a radio on her pillow softly
buzzing away with static. Indicating that Katie WASN'T sleepy, but
DID stay in her room. LOL

peace, Heidi

Speaking of this: Shyrley--and everybody else---if you HAD to,
WANTED to,
> get up at 7:15 for something that sounded really cool, for
something that
> ONLY happens ONCE a year, for TWO days---WOULD YOU???? Or would you
oversleep
> and complain that NOTHING should start that early?
>
> I'm serious. And this is REAL, not hypothetical. REALLY.
>
> ~Kelly
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mary Bianco

>From: Have a Nice Day! <litlrooh@...>

<<On the other hand, early mornings are really beautiful too and well suited
for some things.>>


Yeah.......like sleeping!!!

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<<I could sleep non-stop.
I KNOW it's something I can do. I DID it! For six days! >>
You slept for SIX DAYS!?
<<<G> I just figure everyone else can do it for TWO days! >>
I couldn't possibly sleep for ONE full day!!>>

My husband comes from a long line of sleepers. He actually had an uncle once
who slept the whole weekend. The rest of the family was going away for the
weekend and when they left, he was asleep and when they came back he was
still asleep. When he woke up, he wondered why everyone hadn't gone away
like they said they were!!!

My husband can be in a deep sleep 5 seconds after his head hits the pillow.
I know, I timed him!!

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In a message dated 1/24/03 2:58:05 PM, bunsofaluminum60@... writes:

<< Once in awhile, I sleep in until 7:15 a.m. :D not kidding, I'm an
early riser >>

Before I had kids I was an early riser. 6:00, 6:30, especially in the summer.

But my kids all really like to stay up late, and they ask their best
questions and get their best ideas "after bedtime" of most people, and it's
been that way since they were little. So I stay up with them, often, and
reap the results of their day of thinking and doing. I love hearing what
they think about things.

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/24/03 5:05:07 PM, mummyone24@... writes:

<< My husband can be in a deep sleep 5 seconds after his head hits the
pillow.
I know, I timed him!! >>

I can do that.

kayb85 <[email protected]>

> Speaking of this: Shyrley--and everybody else---if you HAD to,
WANTED to,
> get up at 7:15 for something that sounded really cool, for
something that
> ONLY happens ONCE a year, for TWO days---WOULD YOU???? Or would you
oversleep
> and complain that NOTHING should start that early?
>
> I'm serious. And this is REAL, not hypothetical. REALLY.
>
> ~Kelly

I would get up early for something I thought was really cool, or
something that my children thought was really cool. But I would also
voice my opinion and suggest that they do it in the afternoon the
next time.

And of course you could turn it around. Us night owls could ask the
early risers if they would be willing to stay up until 2 am to do
something really, really cool.

Sheila

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In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:25:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sheran@... writes:
> I would get up early for something I thought was really cool, or
> something that my children thought was really cool. But I would also
> voice my opinion and suggest that they do it in the afternoon the
> next time.
>
> And of course you could turn it around. Us night owls could ask the
> early risers if they would be willing to stay up until 2 am to do
> something really, really cool.

OK, But would you be willing to go without much sleep because SO many cool
things were going on? Like I said, I stayed up 'til 4:00am and got up at
5:30am. Too much going on! <G>

I can do both (but I like a nap when I can). And I give a two hour
"lunch-recess" (for my nap---but I don't think I slept much then either!).

It's JUST for one weekend! How much sleep do you guys really NEED?????

~Kelly


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In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:31:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:

> It's JUST for one weekend! How much sleep do you guys really NEED?????

Oh, but Pam Sorooshian is exempt from any and all early morning things.
She'll be scheduled whenever her little heart desires. It's my job to cater
to her every little whim. All weeekend.

~Kelly


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Shyrley

kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:31:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> kbcdlovejo@... writes:
>
> > It's JUST for one weekend! How much sleep do you guys really NEED?????
>
> Oh, but Pam Sorooshian is exempt from any and all early morning things.
> She'll be scheduled whenever her little heart desires. It's my job to cater
> to her every little whim. All weeekend.
>
> ~Kelly
>

Oh? So why does she get to be special?!
Huh!

Can you squeeze in a few of my whims too? They might include Alan Rickman and Val Kilmer......

;-)

Shyrley

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In a message dated 1/24/03 9:25:07 PM, sheran@... writes:

<< And of course you could turn it around. Us night owls could ask the
early risers if they would be willing to stay up until 2 am to do
something really, really cool. >>

I could do either, but not both on the same night! If I'm getting up at 4:00
I'd like to be in bed by midnight.

Sandra

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In a message dated 1/24/03 9:40:05 PM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:

<< Oh, but Pam Sorooshian is exempt from any and all early morning things.
She'll be scheduled whenever her little heart desires. It's my job to cater
to her every little whim. >>

9:00 in the morning in SC is 7:00 in the morning New Mexico time, but 6:00 in
California.

Sandra

Barb Eaton

Kelly,
For me the night before leaving to go home would have to be a full
nights sleep. Granted not everyone drives 10 or more hours.I think some did.
Coming in was difficult staying up 1) I didn't know anyone 2) I'd just
driven all day. If I had a friend to chat with I could have stayed up really
late Or to help motivate me to get up to join them for T'ai Chi. I was
interested but not much of a morning person. Hope that helps a little.:-)

Barb E
"Just as our eyes need light in order to see, our minds
need ideas in order to conceive. "

- Napoleon Hill, Author




on 1/24/03 11:30 PM, kbcdlovejo@... at kbcdlovejo@... wrote:

>
> It's JUST for one weekend! How much sleep do you guys really NEED?????
>
> ~Kelly
>

Mary Bianco

<< My husband can be in a deep sleep 5 seconds after his head hits the
>pillow.
>I know, I timed him!! >>



<<From: SandraDodd@...

>I can do that.>>


I say this with as much love as I tell my husband. I hate you.

Okay so after the impulse is gone, lets just say it's extreme envy. I'm not
a good sleeper at all. It takes me forever to fall asleep and when I do,
pretty much every little noise wakes me up. My best deep sleep is usually
between 6:00 and 10:00 a.m.

Mary B


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In a message dated 1/25/03 10:03:08 AM, mummyone24@... writes:

<< >I can do that.>>

<<I say this with as much love as I tell my husband. I hate you.
Okay so after the impulse is gone, lets just say it's extreme envy. >>

I would gladly trade it for the ability to read long than my children need me
to to get them to sleep. I have ALWAYS fallen asleep reading to them, and
finally Marty would just laugh and tell me, "That's okay, mom, put in a
tape."

I read to go to sleep when I was a teen, and so reading lying down makes me
sleepy.

I would love to be able to stay awake long enough to read two or three
chapters of a book at night. I would LOVE to be able to be awake enough to
drive six or eight hours. I can't. So we haven't been able to take
advantage of the possibility of our using our free schedule for me and the
kids to drive around the country, because I can only drive for two or three
hours before I'm getting snoozy, and I don't want to risk their lives.

Sandra