Alan & Brenda Leonard

1/21/03 22:41:

> Liz
> saremca@...
> Age doesn't always bring wisdom, sometimes age comes alone.
>

I like this one, Liz.

brenda

Robyn Carter

Okay, Sandra, I can go read what you've written, but let's hear what you are
thinking, after reading my plea for other perspectives...c'mon, it's a great
moment for a Sandra-ism :-)
Robyn
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> 1. Re: Re: kids and candy, help please
> From: "Nora or Devereaux Cannon" <dcannon@...>
> 2. Harry Potter and LOTR
> From: "Julie Bogart <julie@...>"
<julie@...>
> 3. Re: Conservative homeschoolers
> From: "Heidi <bunsofaluminum60@...>"
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> 4. Re: kids and candy, help please
> From: "Heidi <bunsofaluminum60@...>"
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> 5. SandraDodd website and all of you
> From: "evelyns92 <evelynsfarm@...>" <evelynsfarm@...>
> 6. Re: unchurching
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> 7. kids and candy. update
> From: "rebecca <elfmama92104@...>"
<elfmama92104@...>
> 8. Re: unchurching
> From: "Julie Bogart <julie@...>"
<julie@...>
> 9. RE: Re: kids and candy, help please
> From: "Susan Fuerst" <fuerst@...>
> 10. Re: kids and candy. update
> From: "Mary Bianco" <mummyone24@...>
> 11. Can't seem to make up her mind...
> From: "Robyn Carter" <rcarter@...>
> 12. Re: Can't seem to make up her mind...
> From: "Mary Bianco" <mummyone24@...>
> 13. Consideration
> From: "Mary Bianco" <mummyone24@...>
> 14. Re: kids and candy. update
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> 15. Re: Can't seem to make up her mind...
> From: Have a Nice Day! <litlrooh@...>
> 16. fashion ideas again
> From: Have a Nice Day! <litlrooh@...>
> 17. Re: Can't seem to make up her mind...
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
> 18. Re: Re: kids and candy, help please
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 19. Re: Re: Conservative homeschoolers
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 20. Re: Re: Conservative homeschoolers
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 21. Re: Harry Potter and LOTR
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 22. Re: SandraDodd website and all of you
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 23. Re: Can't seem to make up her mind...
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 24. Re: Re: Conservative homeschoolers
> From: "DanickeHouse" <saremca@...>
> 25. Re: Re: Conservative homeschoolers
> From: SandraDodd@...
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:47:46 -0600
> From: "Nora or Devereaux Cannon" <dcannon@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: kids and candy, help please
>
> Pepper on cantaloupe.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kelli Traaseth" <kellitraas@...>
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> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: kids and candy, help please
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> |
> | And grapefruit.
> |
> | Kelli
> |
> |
> | kbcdlovejo@... wrote:In a message dated 1/20/2003 8:38:22
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> | > You put salt on apples?
> | > Sheila
> | >
> |
> | And watermelon.
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:22:50 -0000
> From: "Julie Bogart <julie@...>" <julie@...>
> Subject: Harry Potter and LOTR
>
> --- In [email protected], Fetteroll
> <fetteroll@e...> wrote:
> > Here's two pieces that add to the puzzle of why some magic is
> considered
> > acceptable and some isn't. I hadn't thought about it but in fairy
> tales the
> > magic folk are always in a supportive role to the humans who
> are the central
> > figures. Likewise Christians are encouraged to rely on the
> power of God but
> > not wield the powers for themselves. But in HP the wizards and
> witches are
> > enhanced by magic and consider themselves better than
> humans/Christians (who
> > obviously won't use magic.)
>
> That's an interesting twist. I wonder why the power wielded by
> Gandalf is considered okay to use. LOTR seems to me more
> like Star Wars: that there is power out there and it depends on
> who is using it whether it's for good or evil. Frodo (not a human
> but a hobbit) wouldn't use the corrupting power for his own gain,
> but he relied heavily on Gandalf's magical abilities to protect and
> direct him.
>
> Somehow this still feels like a not true parallel.
>
> Also, in HP, the interesting thing about the magic is that it has to
> be learned. The nature of the magic is impacted by the character
> of the user. To me, this was a picture of spiritual life. All of us
> have the same stuff available for liviing, but we make choices
> about how we'll live. Magic wasn't limited to only one good or bad
> side, but was available to all who were from that realm.
> >
> > I'd heard bits and pieces of Christ's time in the desert and the
> temptation.
> > He describes it here as Christ turning down the chance to use
> magic to
> > convert people. (I can't quite get that out of the passage or
> maybe I'm not
> > reading the right one, but anyway Christ does turn down the
> chance to feed
> > himself with magic.) Frodo recognizes the corrupting power of
> magic and is
> > on a quest to get rid of it. Harry obviously embraces magic to
> do good,
> > something that apparently Christ recognized he shouldn't do.
>
> Yes, but Christ does the "deep magic" (as Lewis would say) and
> rises from the dead. He uses his powers for good by healing
> people.
>
> The difference here is that in HP, Harry chooses over and over
> again to offer himself, not to just use magic. He is using his
> powers for ultimate, righteous good.
>
> In that way, I'd say that Christ is similar.
>
> Thanks for the food for thought.
>
> Julie B
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:03:31 -0000
> From: "Heidi <bunsofaluminum60@...>"
<bunsofaluminum60@...>
> Subject: Re: Conservative homeschoolers
>
> It wasn't that pogs were evil...it was the waste of time and money
> that was evil, you see. ;)
>
> As for the fairy tale thing...I remember when Dobson (a BIG leader in
> evangelicaldom today) came out with some diatribe against
> Disney, "where are the moms?" and cited many of Disney's cartoons,
> where the mother is absent from the story. tsk. tsk.
>
> HELLO? Western fairy tales are ABOUT the Bad Things That Happen when
> Mom Isn't in the Picture. Duh. Snow White, in the original story,
> didn't have a Mom. Cinderella's Mom was missing, too. Name a
> traditional fairy tale, and most likely, Mom will be gone, to be
> replaced by a Wicked Stepmother or No Mother At All. When Disney
> portrayed a fairy tale on screen, he was just taking the stories that
> enculturated generation upon generation of European Children, and
> telling them to us in his style. He didn't eliminate the mothers;
> the stories had no mothers to BEGIN with! ugh.
>
> But there has also been a drive, in the past, to take out the "bad
> stuff" in the stories. In Red Riding Hood, the original story had the
> Grandma DEAD after the wolf was killed. There are some gruesome
> details in the stories people have told their children over the ages,
> but some "expert" (a certified educator, no doubt) got it in his or
> her head, that these images were too much for little kids, and many
> stories now eliminate the icky stuff.
>
> FAIRY TALES, FOLKS! As in, tales from the Land of Faery? As in Make
> Believe?
>
> *stepping down from soap box*
>
> Heidi
>
> p.s. Sheila, I like what you have to say about the Church becoming
> institutionalized. Veddy good.
>
> -- In [email protected], "kayb85 <sheran@p...>"
> <sheran@p...> wrote:
> > Pogs were evil? Really? I managed to not hear about that.
> >
> > I agree with you about the fairy tales. No one seems to have a
> > problem with the Fairy God Mother, with her bibbity-bobbidy-boo
> > spells or the witch brewing up a concoction to put a spell on
> > Sleeping Beauty. But Harry Potter is evil. There are even books
> > written about it, like Harry Potter and the Bible.
> >
> > I think the connection to the church as an institution, is that
> once
> > Christians traded their community based-lifestyles for
> > Constantine's "Christian temples", modeled after the pagan ones
> > (complete with pagan-style choirs and three point messages), they
> > also gave up thinking for themselves to a large degree. There is
> > this huge clergy-laity distinction, and all it takes is for a
> couple
> > of "pastors" to preach from the pulpit and write a few books about
> > how evil something is, and most of the Christian world believes it
> > automatically.
> >
> > Sheila, who loves Jesus but hates religion and loves learning but
> > hates schools.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:06:15 -0000
> From: "Heidi <bunsofaluminum60@...>"
<bunsofaluminum60@...>
> Subject: Re: kids and candy, help please
>
> Oh, yummy, yes! I love to salt my grapefruit. Slurp.
>
> Heidi, who is picking up some grapefruit at the store today! L
>
> --- In [email protected], Kelli Traaseth
> <kellitraas@y...> wrote:
> >
> > And grapefruit.
> >
> > Kelli
> >
> >
> > kbcdlovejo@a... wrote:In a message dated 1/20/2003 8:38:22 PM
> Eastern Standard Time, sheran@p...
> > writes:
> >
> > > You put salt on apples?
> > > Sheila
> > >
> >
> > And watermelon.
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:31:46 -0000
> From: "evelyns92 <evelynsfarm@...>" <evelynsfarm@...>
> Subject: SandraDodd website and all of you
>
> I have been reading, reading and reading. Sandra, your site is great.
> You and some of the others here are inspiring to a new one like me.
> I have my monthly meeting with our "ES" on Thursday and OH am I
> dreading it! I am leaning to declaring my freedom on that day and
> jump out of the California charter circus. Thanks to all. I am glad
> to be a part of an encouraging and informative group. Sara
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:52:33 +0100
> From: Alan & Brenda Leonard <abtleo@...>
> Subject: Re: unchurching
>
> Ok, I have to throw my two cents in on this one.
>
> If you have come from a church that is firm in its need for everyone to be
> indoctrinated, you should know that there are other sorts of churches in
the
> world. There are churches where the sermon is designed to make you think,
> to challenge you to see God in a different way. There are churches that
> worship in three completely different ways on Sundays, but still are held
> together by a common foundation of faith.
>
> I don't agree with everyone who worships at my church. I have been a part
> of 9 churches in my 10 years of marriage (military...we move a lot!).
While
> my beliefs aren't a perfect match for perhaps any church, I've had clergy
> who encourage me to read, study, think, pray, and consider why I believe
> what I do believe, so I can grow personally. Much like I do as an
> unschooler.
>
> Here's what you miss when you don't go to church: community. I regularly
> hear from people on this list that they're so glad to find this group,
> because they don't know any other unschoolers. So I know that community
is
> important to us.
>
> Community isn't necessary, plenty of folks believe and are comfortable
being
> alone in their faith. But community does provide you with much support.
> Don't give up on churches entirely because you haven't found one that
> doesn't ask you to check your brain at the door. They're out there.
> Really.
>
> brenda
> Episcopalian and proud of it.
>
>
> 1/21/03 04:37:
>
> > I never liked the group
> > thinking mentality of church, or any other corporate entity for that
> > matter. I get so tired of hearing "we believe" and "we think" that I
just
> > want to scream "NO! WHAT DO *YOU* BELIEVE! WHAT DO *YOU* THINK!" Anytime
> > an entire group of people *think* the same thing, there is no thinking
at
> > all, imo. I have come to the belief that a vast majority of people like
> > to be indoctrinated. It releases them of all responsibility and reason.
> > If everyone at a church believed God could only be worshipped in one
way,
> > I would doubt the motives of the church. If everyone on a list thought
> > that there was only one way of unschooling, I would seriously have
doubts
> > about the integrity of the list. Even though we sometimes disagree, I
> > value the free-thinking-ness of this list. Unfortunately, I have yet to
> > find a church
> > that offers the same.
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:34:48 -0000
> From: "rebecca <elfmama92104@...>" <elfmama92104@...>
> Subject: kids and candy. update
>
> Good morning, I met to post yesterday but Avery got really sick and
> getting on the computer was not an option.
>
> Okay, so for the past 2 days food in are house has been done a little
> different, I loved the idea of the monkey platters and we made up a
> couple, with different goodies on both, Jaiden and Avery loved them,
> and I have been asked if we can have them every day, they eat stuff I
> had no idea that they would eat. It was very cool. So on sunday I
> decided that no matter what my kids ate or drank I wasn't going to
> expect that "hyper behavior" I wasn't going to put all the negitive
> junk my parents had put on to to me, back on to them. And damn if
> there was no difference in their behavoir, until a friend of ours and
> his 3 girls showed up to play, total excitement, we hadn't seen them
> since before x-mas so they were all very excited, so it was not the
> candy, it was the situation, major shift in thinking for me.
>
> I do have to say that both of them have been making amazing food
> choices the last few days, I never would have thought that Avery
> would not eat the candy in favor of the cheeese, although Jaiden
> showed him how to wrap m&ms up in cheese, <shudder> but they both
> seem to like it, and thats what matters.
>
> So, thank you all so much for your sharing your thoughts and time
> with me. And thank you all for holding my hand as I struggle with
> overcoming my past and thank you for jioning me on my journey to
> become not just an unschooler, but a better parent.
> Thank You.
>
> Rebecca
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:51:16 -0000
> From: "Julie Bogart <julie@...>" <julie@...>
> Subject: Re: unchurching
>
> --- In [email protected], Alan & Brenda
> Leonard <abtleo@e...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Community isn't necessary, plenty of folks believe and are
> comfortable being
> > alone in their faith. But community does provide you with much
> support.
> > Don't give up on churches entirely because you haven't found
> one that
> > doesn't ask you to check your brain at the door. They're out
> there.
> > Really.
> >
> > brenda
> > Episcopalian and proud of it.
>
> Gotta agree with you here. We're still trying to figure out if we can
> handle the old style church liturgy with the progressive
> mindedness of the Episcopals. Sure enjoy reading Spong and
> Borg though.
>
> Good points.
>
> Julie B
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:03:46 -0500
> From: "Susan Fuerst" <fuerst@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: kids and candy, help please
>
>
> You put salt on apples?
> Sheila
>
>
> I put salt on apples....or I did as a kid. It's especially good on tart
> apples...MMMMMMM! Sounds like a good snack!
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:12:17 +0000
> From: "Mary Bianco" <mummyone24@...>
> Subject: Re: kids and candy. update
>
> >From: "rebecca <elfmama92104@...>" <elfmama92104@...>
>
> <<So, thank you all so much for your sharing your thoughts and time
> with me. And thank you all for holding my hand as I struggle with
> overcoming my past and thank you for jioning me on my journey to
> become not just an unschooler, but a better parent.
> Thank You.>>
>
>
> Cool. I love it. You're on your way.
>
> Mary B
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:28:54 -0800
> From: "Robyn Carter" <rcarter@...>
> Subject: Can't seem to make up her mind...
>
> Hi all:
> I need some perspectives, please! My 13yod, after being unschooled her
whole
> life, decided to try middle school last year. She started in October,
> stayed 5 days, said "It's interfering with my life..." and stopped. One
girl
> that she met there has called sometimes. Jayme and her got together to go
> shopping yesterday. Now, Jme wants to try middle school again, in March,
> after she goes down to visits friends in February, flying back and forth
> unaccompanied! Help! There has been so much change this year-we moved 1000
> miles in April, she's in dance, 4h, the yearbook committee, 2 youth in
> philanthropy projects, and she baby-sits and works for an elderly
neighbor.
> I think she has a cool life with out adding #@$%&*! school to it.
> I also think my comfort level has to have something to do with the
equation.
> Let's hear what ya'll think...
> Robyn
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:33:51 +0000
> From: "Mary Bianco" <mummyone24@...>
> Subject: Re: Can't seem to make up her mind...
>
> >From: "Robyn Carter" <rcarter@...>
>
> >Let's hear what ya'll think...
> >Robyn>>
>
>
> Well Robyn, I can't offer any help but I'm curious what some others would
do
> or has done as well. I use to think that I would never let my kids go to
> school, but after being on the list, I've changed my mind. Thinking that
if
> they really wanted to bad enough and were aware of what it entailed, I
would
> let them try. Now you have brought up another good point. How many times
> should they keep trying? I know the back and forth would be a lot for me.
>
> Tara has a friend from grade school yet that really wants to attend the
> private school Tara does. She does sometimes but when her parents run out
of
> money, she attends the local high school. She goes to public school for a
> couple of weeks and then back at the private school for a couple of weeks.
> This has been going on for 2 years. I honestly don't know how she does it.
>
>
> Mary B
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:42:54 +0000
> From: "Mary Bianco" <mummyone24@...>
> Subject: Consideration
>
> I wqas just wondering about something that has been on my mind lately. I
> would say our parenting hasn't changed much lately, except for possibly
the
> words I use with the children. My husband Joe is still a bit more strict
> than I would like but he's trying and listens to all my suggestions on
what
> to do and not to do with the kids.
>
> Now for the question. Is there a general age when you have noticed that
the
> children become more aware of others and start to not be so selfish?
> I'm not sure whether I'm thinking of it more or the kids are more into
> themselves lately, but they seem so into themselves recently they don't
stop
> to think about others. I hear their words when there is a conflict, that
> they talk it out and think of how the other would feel. What I don't see
is
> the action behind it on a daily basis.
>
> Just as an example, this morning my 2 middle kids got up very early, (for
> this house) it was obvious everyone else was asleep. They proceded to play
> in the playroom at a noise level that would wake the dead. I mentioned it
> once and not 3 minutes later, it was just as loud as before. That's the
kind
> of stuff I am thinking that maybe they would see by now. I'm not looking
for
> a magical age, I know they are kids, but I just kind of worry now that
maybe
> they won't get it.
>
> Mary B
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:47:11 EST
> From: kbcdlovejo@...
> Subject: Re: kids and candy. update
>
> In a message dated 1/21/2003 12:36:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> elfmama92104@... writes:> So, thank you all so much for your sharing
> > your thoughts and time
> > with me. And thank you all for holding my hand as I struggle with
> > overcoming my past and thank you for jioning me on my journey to
> > become not just an unschooler, but a better parent.
> > Thank You.
> >
>
> Rebecca, THAT is why we do it! It's SO cool to listen to stories like
> this---when people "get" it! It makes us all feel warm and cuddly inside!
<g>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> ~Kelly
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:52:59 -0500
> From: Have a Nice Day! <litlrooh@...>
> Subject: Re: Can't seem to make up her mind...
>
> This must be a symptom of the age.
>
> My daughter went to 5th grade for a few days and came home. Then she did
cyberschool. Then she quit bec. she wanted to homeschool. Now she wants to
go back to school. I am making her wait until the beginning of next year
because the honest truth is she really does not know what she wants to do
(yet).
>
> In the meantime, I am talking with her about her friends' idea of fun
being different than hers because they have so much less freedom to start
with.
>
> Kristen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robyn Carter
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:28 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Can't seem to make up her mind...
>
>
> Hi all:
> I need some perspectives, please! My 13yod, after being unschooled her
whole
> life, decided to try middle school last year. She started in October,
> stayed 5 days, said "It's interfering with my life..." and stopped. One
girl
> that she met there has called sometimes. Jayme and her got together to
go
> shopping yesterday. Now, Jme wants to try middle school again, in March,
> after she goes down to visits friends in February, flying back and forth
> unaccompanied! Help! There has been so much change this year-we moved
1000
> miles in April, she's in dance, 4h, the yearbook committee, 2 youth in
> philanthropy projects, and she baby-sits and works for an elderly
neighbor.
> I think she has a cool life with out adding #@$%&*! school to it.
> I also think my comfort level has to have something to do with the
equation.
> Let's hear what ya'll think...
> Robyn
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:00:16 -0500
> From: Have a Nice Day! <litlrooh@...>
> Subject: fashion ideas again
>
> I came up with an idea that might work for both me and my daughter without
all the "learning to sew" stuff. 4H doesn't start again till next year I
don't think anyway. And I have ZERO sewing ability LOL.
>
> We are going to go the mall and really take a look at whats "in style".
(And watch the style channel, etc to get ideas for the "cutting edge"
styles).
>
> THEN...we can go to thrift stores and find similar looking clothes, with
similar material and modify them in simple ways to make them fit the current
trends or to set new trends.
>
> THEN maybe we can sell them at consignment shops.
>
> What do y'all think?
>
> kristen
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:19:01 -0800
> From: Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
> Subject: Re: Can't seem to make up her mind...
>
> > I need some perspectives, please! My 13yod, after being unschooled her
> whole
> > life, decided to try middle school last year. She started in October,
> > stayed 5 days, said "It's interfering with my life..." and stopped. One
> girl
> > that she met there has called sometimes. Jayme and her got together to
go
> > shopping yesterday. Now, Jme wants to try middle school again, in March,
> > after she goes down to visits friends in February, flying back and forth
> > unaccompanied! Help! There has been so much change this year-we moved
1000
> > miles in April, she's in dance, 4h, the yearbook committee, 2 youth in
> > philanthropy projects, and she baby-sits and works for an elderly
> neighbor.
> > I think she has a cool life with out adding #@$%&*! school to it.
> > I also think my comfort level has to have something to do with the
> equation.
> > Let's hear what ya'll think...
>
> Lets see. She stayed 5 days the last time. My guess is that she'll stay
> even fewer days this time. Like she said. It interfered with her life.
> She's probably just forgotten *how much* it interfered last time. I'd let
> her do it and hope that she gets at least one of the kind of teacher my
> granddaughter got when she tried school for a week. That teacher was
> perfect for our purposes (convincing her that school wasn't for her).
> Tia
>
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:20:50 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Re: kids and candy, help please
>
>
> In a message dated 1/20/03 6:38:24 PM, sheran@... writes:
>
> << You put salt on apples? >>
>
> I grew up in an orchard. (Well we had a house, but it was surrounded by
> apple trees <g>.)
> When the apples are still "too green," they're good if you salt them.)
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:23:48 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Conservative homeschoolers
>
>
> In a message dated 1/20/03 8:31:50 PM, love-it-here@... writes:
>
> << Oh, great! You just forced me into starting a folder of Sandraisms!
> 1) Start where you're not.
> 2) Just because there is no one truth doesn't mean there's no
> such
> thing as bullshit
> Anymore you'd like to add before I can't locate the folder??? >>
>
> No, that's all!
> Well, there's "Everything counts."
>
> I like that. About life and about learning both!
>
> Sandra
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:29:46 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Conservative homeschoolers
>
>
> In a message dated 1/20/03 8:38:58 PM, sylvanv@... writes:
>
> << I would hope that this list is one where people from many different
> religous philosophies can come together because we are all parents and we
are
> searching for loving pathways to walk with our children. >>
>
> It is, but nearly every new Christian member who comes here tries to tell
us
> that anything we know about conservative "Christian Homeschoolers" (their
own
> term for their own subculture) is negated by their (the the new member's)
> being a Christian and not being one of them.
>
> It's particularly irritating when the new homeschooler-who-is-Christian
> honestly has NO IDEA that there is a huge Christian Homeschooling
movement,
> has no idea that HSLDA is politically motivated and seems miffed that we
know
> things they don't know.
>
> It's on beyond irritating when someone says "If you're not Christian, you
> shouldn't say anything about Christianity because you don't know what
you're
> talking about."
>
> So I don't mind if the list is heavily Christian, but it's a waste of
time
> to try to tell us that what we know isn't so (about the motivations and
> practices of hundreds of thousands of conservative Christian
homeschoolers).
>
> And if too many unschooling principles are countered by "the Bible
says..."
> it will become a drag.
> There are people here who can counter just about any Bible citation with a
> counter-citation, but that's not why this list exists.
>
> And if people come here and make the automatic assumption that we're all
> pro-life Republican conservatives just because we're homeschoolers, that
will
> be disruptive too.
>
> There's nothing in the list above that hasn't happened more than once on
> unschooling lists or bulletin boards in the past ten years. Some have
> happened more than ten times that I personally know of.
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:39:24 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Harry Potter and LOTR
>
>
> In a message dated 1/21/03 7:23:16 AM, julie@... writes:
>
> << That's an interesting twist. I wonder why the power wielded by
> Gandalf is considered okay to use. >>
>
> Gandalf is an immortal, like an angel, basically.
> You don't get that unless you read all the background material and
> Simarillion (which I can't read, but friends tell me what they read <g>).
>
> <<Yes, but Christ does the "deep magic" (as Lewis would say) and
> rises from the dead. He uses his powers for good by healing
> people.>>
>
> But people can say God-the-father raised him from the dead, and so still
it
> was passive magic.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:42:54 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: SandraDodd website and all of you
>
>
> In a message dated 1/21/03 9:33:39 AM, evelynsfarm@... writes:
>
> << I have been reading, reading and reading. Sandra, your site is great.
>>
>
> Oooh! thanks!
>
> <<,I am leaning to declaring my freedom on that day and
> jump out of the California charter circus. >>
>
> Where are you in California?
> Have you been to one of the conferences in Sacramento? Are you going this
> year? August 16 weekend.
>
> Sandra
>
> Sandra
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:49:00 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Can't seem to make up her mind...
>
>
> In a message dated 1/21/03 11:21:37 AM, rcarter@... writes:
>
> << I think she has a cool life with out adding #@$%&*! school to it.
> I also think my comfort level has to have something to do with the
equation.
> Let's hear what ya'll think... >>
>
> http://sandradodd.com/schoolchoice
>
> that's one thing, something I wrote about my sister's kids being in and
out
> of school, and her attitude.
>
> Sandra
>
>
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>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:18:07 -0500
> From: "DanickeHouse" <saremca@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Conservative homeschoolers
>
> <<has no idea that HSLDA is politically motivated and seems miffed that we
> know things they don't know.>>
>
> How can anyone read through the HSLDA website and think that they're
> anything BUT a politically motivated organization? As soon as my dh and I
> read a few pages, we knew that we didn't want any part of HSLDA because of
> the obvious political adgenda and also because of the scare tactics they
use
> to try to recruit new members.
>
> <<"If you're not Christian, you shouldn't say anything about Christianity
> because you don't know what you're
> talking about.">>
>
> That's just silly, but reminds me of the people who tell me I have no
> business educating my children because I don't have a degree in elementary
> education.
>
> <<So I don't mind if the list is heavily Christian, but it's a waste of
> time to try to tell us that what we know isn't so (about the motivations
and
> practices of hundreds of thousands of conservative Christian
> homeschoolers).>>
>
> I wouldn't even try. These are the people who shun and condemn me for
> Unschooling in the first place.
>
> Liz
> saremca@...
> Age doesn't always bring wisdom, sometimes age comes alone.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:41:42 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Conservative homeschoolers
>
>
> In a message dated 1/21/03 2:17:40 PM, saremca@... writes:
>
> << How can anyone read through the HSLDA website and think that they're
> anything BUT a politically motivated organization? >>
>
> They believe it by NOT reading it.
> By joining because a local association requires it, or joining it out of
fear
> or vague reasurrance that it's good or necessary.
>
> Sandra
>
>
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