Julie Bogart <[email protected]>

for your gaming advice. I feel like a dolt not to think of either
CATCH or googling for Cincinnati! Duh! I can do both. Thanks
Sandra for posting the results of your search.

We do have a place (Cincinnati Sci-Fi) that sells comics and
gaming stuff right nearby and I hadn't even imagined that kids
gather there to play1 Will check that out right away.

The library is also a great idea. My kids are currently on the teen
board there and organize events all the time. Will suggest they
suggest organizing a night for gamers.

This switch from one world (conservative Christian
homeschoolers) to the next is odd. "Fallin' off the sidewalk/My
lips move but I can't talk..." (Bono, U2, "Tryin' to Throw Your Arms
Around the World") but I'm getting there.

Thanks for all your help.

Julie B

kayb85 <[email protected]>

> This switch from one world (conservative Christian
> homeschoolers) to the next is odd. "Fallin' off the sidewalk/My
> lips move but I can't talk..." (Bono, U2, "Tryin' to Throw Your
Arms
> Around the World") but I'm getting there.
>
> Thanks for all your help.
>
> Julie B

Julie,
I'm curious. Did you used to hang out with conservative Christian
homeschoolers and now you don't? What caused you to change?
Sheila

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In a message dated 1/19/03 12:30:52 PM, julie@... writes:

<< I feel like a dolt not to think of either
CATCH or googling for Cincinnati! Duh! I can do both. >>

If it weren't for being around my boys, I wouldn't know the secret lingo
enough to look things up. "CCG" a long way. <g> And the generic "gaming" is
likely to turn up sites where they do allow games playing right in the store.

Sandra

Julie Bogart <[email protected]>

> Julie,
> I'm curious. Did you used to hang out with conservative
Christian
> homeschoolers and now you don't?
> Sheila

Still do to a large extent. They are my "tribe" so to speak.

>>What caused you to change?

In the last year or two, my dh and I have undergone a signficant
change in how we see our faith. I becamse dissatisfied with
evangelical theology. I've always been a person who had to
understand who was going to heaven and who wasn't. We were
missionaries for pete's sake. I went on a major search through
every possible permutation of how salvation theology has been
conceived and it led me to a place of less clarity and more
irritation with traditional teachings. That's led us out of church
and into a sort of spiritual no-man's land. We've always been
arts focused and open to culture, too which is somewhat less
embraced in the homeschooling world we're in.

At times I feel like I am in a foreign country at our homeschool
gatherings. My kids are passionate HP fans, for instance. My
11yos wore an HP t-shirt to our hoemschool co-op and got
openly ridiculed by his friends. One friend worried that he would
go to hell or become involved in witchcraft. Then my oldest (14 at
the time) in his ASL (sign language) class had to endure the
teacher skipping the lesson for the day to warn him against the
evils of HP since his mother didn't seem to understand how bad
the books were. This really riled me up. She and I got into it after
the class. An adult using her position of power to shame my kid
about something we totally approved in the home. Outrageous!!!

I was most bugged that she took our one hour per week class
period and wasted it. And I was especially upset that my kdis
have been the focus of really harsh comments by friends who tell
them things like, "How can you listen to a band that is going to
hell?" (Metallica) or "How can you be friends with a fag?" to my
daughter who knows and loves some gay friends she has on the
Internet. This kind of thinking so upsets me that I can hardly
stand it.

But we've been evangelical Christians for over twenty years. It
wasn't until the last three years when I started studying theology
that the conservative worldview of faith came crumbling down for
me. I started with Hans Kung (liberal Catholic) and have since
read Marcus Borg, Bishop Spong, Richard Holloway and others
who have rejected fundamentalism and have embraced a less
dogmatic view of faith. Not sure where we'll shake out in all this.

My kids would love to make friends outside their current circle
(not to replace those kids completely but to have the chance to
share their passionate interests without ridicule). So that's what
prompted my question.

Thanks for asking.
Julie~~who probably wouldn't be invited back to speak at CHEO.
:)

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In a message dated 1/19/03 1:14:28 PM, julie@... writes:

<< My kids are passionate HP fans, for instance. My
11yos wore an HP t-shirt to our hoemschool co-op and got
openly ridiculed by his friends. >>

Hey, even MY heathen kids know better than to do that!

I think it's touching, that my kids are so considerate of Christian
homeschooling families.

One day a big family came over unexpectedly. I was in the kitchen cooking
and cleaning. I thought that was plenty respectable! But Marty, who was 13
and pretty disdainful of religion, came over and subtly turned down and then
off the "Chef Aid" South Park CD I was listening to.

Good thinking, Marty!

And there are lots of videos and music we will turn off for the sake of
homeschooling kids.

One day I was in the car, though, listening to the oldies station, and I
notice in the rearview mirror there's a hushed but fast conversation going on
between Holly and a friend of hers, who's covering her ears, but still trying
to hear Holly's questions.

The song which was too offensive for her was "Under the Boardwalk." But
she's too respectful of adults to ask me to turn that horribly nasty song off
in her Christian presence.

It was a dilemma for her. It was an irritation for me, because musically
"Under the Boardwalk is wonderful. But it does say "we'll be making love,"
and she couldn't hear that phrase without the taint of sin.

Earlier this week we were babysitting kids from a Christian family. Holly
and Kirby needed to leave to go to a Harry Potter tournament. Holly didn't
want to say "Harry Potter" to them. Their mom came later than Holly's
leaving time. I said "HOLLY, it's your house. Say 'We're going to play
Harry Potter now--see ya.'" but she thought it would be mean.

-=-"How can you listen to a band that is going to
hell?" (Metallica) or "How can you be friends with a fag?"-=-

Yeeks!

My kids' fag friends are altogether worth more in our lives than the
Christian homeschooling families who make it hard to just listen to an oldies
station in peace.

At my house I don't listen to other parents' rules about food or TV. I won't
leave the TV off because one kid or another isn't allowed to watch it at
home. My kids are kinder than I am, and although Holly once was very grumpy
because she wanted to watch the Simpsons but didn't (her choice) because a
kid from a "Simpsons is Evil" family was over, they're really generous of
spirit when it comes to kids who are vegetarian, or who don't like guns, or
whatever else it might be.

How could they become so kindhearted without Jesus?
It happens.

Sandra

[email protected]

Julie, I mean to give you a link to Kathy Ward's page.
She has links to stuff about recovering from fundamentalism. It's
interesting.

Maybe you already know Kathy, or know of their unschooling family!

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1093/unschooling.html

Some of the recovery stuff is here:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1093/ex-toxicchronicles.html
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1093/ex-toxicchronicles2.html
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/1093/gettingbetter.html


Sandra

Julie Bogart <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected],
SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/19/03 1:14:28 PM, julie@b... writes:
>
> << My kids are passionate HP fans, for instance. My
> 11yos wore an HP t-shirt to our hoemschool co-op and got
> openly ridiculed by his friends. >>
>
> Hey, even MY heathen kids know better than to do that!
>
> I think it's touching, that my kids are so considerate of Christian
> homeschooling families.

LOL. Yeah he learned. Honestly it waw back near the beginning
of the HP craze and it hadn't even occured to my son that there
would be a problem.

Just to set the record straight, my 11yos best friend found an
article that showed that HP had Christian allegorical content and
clipped it for him. That was about two years later but it seems
that knowing our kids over time has helped them to find room in
this group.

And my kids don't play their music with kids who wouldn't like it.
But sometimes when they "talk music" they share about their
favorite groups... so that's how that comes up.

Your heathen kids sound very Christlike. :)

Julie

[email protected]

Sandra said..
<My kids are kinder than I am>

Thats easy for me to believe .. good for them. You catch a lot more flies
with honey than vinegar.. undoubtedly they've learned this by interacting
with a lot of diversity.


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/19/03 1:50:30 PM, grlynbl@... writes:

<< Sandra said..
<My kids are kinder than I am>

<<Thats easy for me to believe .. good for them. You catch a lot more flies
with honey than vinegar.. undoubtedly they've learned this by interacting
with a lot of diversity. >>

You're suggesting they didn't learn to be nice from me.
At least you couched it politely.

Had you met me or my children, I think your attitude would be different.

I have no interest in catching flies.
I do have a great interest in unschooling, though, and in helping maintain
online unschooling help for new families who come along to learn about life
changes that help natural learning thrive.

Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 1/19/03 1:50:33 PM, julie@... writes:

<< Just to set the record straight, my 11yos best friend found an
article that showed that HP had Christian allegorical content and
clipped it for him. >>

I'm amused by the Christian support of Lord of the Rings, so parallel to
their total villification of Harry Potter.

I wonder whether it's not, in part, because Harry Potter is written by a
single mother, but LotR was written by a married man. Seriously. Because
there's not all that much difference otherwise.

Also, I suppose, Harry Potter has a child as a main character.

So while LotR is a man writing manly things about men (if Hobbits and elves
can be very manly), and HP is a woman letting a child have the best lines, at
the expense of his horrible aunt and uncle.

Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 1/19/03 3:56:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:

> Had you met me or my children, I think your attitude would be different

Why would my attitude towards your children be different if I met them?..
From every indication I've gotten from your first hand accounts as well as
others who have met your children, they ARE very nice, polite, wonderful
children. My perception of you may change if we met. Could you offer me the
same benefit of a doubt?

Teresa


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Kelli Traaseth

Is this helping me unschool my kids?

I'm sorry but this is so unneccesary.

Kelli


grlynbl@... wrote:Sandra said..
<My kids are kinder than I am>

Thats easy for me to believe .. good for them. You catch a lot more flies
with honey than vinegar.. undoubtedly they've learned this by interacting
with a lot of diversity.


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kayb85 <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/19/03 1:50:33 PM, julie@b... writes:
>
> << Just to set the record straight, my 11yos best friend found an
> article that showed that HP had Christian allegorical content and
> clipped it for him. >>
>
> I'm amused by the Christian support of Lord of the Rings, so
parallel to
> their total villification of Harry Potter.

I never understood that either.
Sheila

kayb85 <[email protected]>

> Your heathen kids sound very Christlike. :)

I agree.

I think the same thing happened with Christianity as happened to
learning. Someone decided that it would be a good idea to organize
it more and make an institution out of it.
Sheila

[email protected]

In a message dated 1/19/03 5:07:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, sheran@...
writes:

> >>
I think the same thing happened with Christianity as happened to
learning.  Someone decided that it would be a good idea to organize
it more and make an institution out of it.  <<


I agree with that. We are Christian but do not attend a church. Have
visited many but not found one that "felt right" so we don't go. And I
believe that children can pick that up like anything else and don't need
"Sunday School" for that either.
Pam G.


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[email protected]

In a message dated 1/19/03 2:16:23 PM, grlynbl@... writes:

<< My perception of you may change if we met. Could you offer me the
same benefit of a doubt? >>

I would love to have a doubt.

Helping people unschool would be a start toward earning that benefit. Being
more willing to wait until you understand more about unschooling before
commenting quite so much on every little thing would be a good help.

-=-> Had you met me or my children, I think your attitude would be different
-=-Why would my attitude towards your children be different if I met them?..
-=-

You would be more able to see what they've learned from me if you knew us as
a family, and less eager to continue to insult me in public, I think.

Sandra

[email protected]

In a message dated 1/19/03 5:07:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, sheran@...
writes:

> think the same thing happened with Christianity as happened to
> learning. Someone decided that it would be a good idea to organize
> it more and make an institution out of it.
> Sheila
>

I have to agree with you that, Sheila. Maybe we should start "unchurching"
Its not Christianity I have a problem with, its "the Church" as an
institution

Teresa


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Gerard Westenberg

<<<My 11yos wore an HP t-shirt to our hoemschool co-op and got openly ridiculed by his friends. One friend worried that he would
go to hell or become involved in witchcraft. ??

Oh, dear, a similar thing happened to us, after church yesterday. We were chatting to another family, and my 13 yo was talking to the 11 yo of that family. They were discussing computer games. Ds said he was playing Wolfenstein. The other boy said this was an eil game and shouldnt be p'layed. Ds asked why it was evil - the only reply he got was that it was and it wasn't suitable....My son thought it was good that he hadn't mentioned playing Quake and Doom on the PS!...I find we love the liturgy of the Latin Mass that we attend, but are often poles apart in other ways from our fellow church goers... But I am trying to be more open and friendly when we differ....Leonie W.


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Fetteroll

on 1/19/03 3:49 PM, grlynbl@... at grlynbl@... wrote:

> Thats easy for me to believe .. good for them. You catch a lot more flies
> with honey than vinegar.. undoubtedly they've learned this by interacting
> with a lot of diversity.

I'm just sitting here with my mouth hanging open and no idea what to say.

It's like a slug in the face coming out of no where.

I can't believe all the hours I've apparently wasted on and off list trying
to help you understand the dynamics of what's going on between the various
personalities.

Helping you isn't worth one more second away from my family. I can't even
begin to express how disappointed I am.

Joyce
Unschooling-dotcom moderator

Stephanie Elms

> I'm amused by the Christian support of Lord of the Rings, so
> parallel to
> their total villification of Harry Potter.

I just assumed it was because Tolkein was a known Christian. Knowing that he was a
Christian would allow them to accept his stories. I just watched a show on the
life of CS Lewis and it was Tolkein (and someone else) who helped Lewis
accept Christ.

Stephanie E.

kayb85 <[email protected]>

There is a cool yahoo group for people who love Jesus but hate
religion...http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new-wineskin/

Sheila


--- In [email protected], grlynbl@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/19/03 5:07:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sheran@p...
> writes:
>
> > think the same thing happened with Christianity as happened to
> > learning. Someone decided that it would be a good idea to
organize
> > it more and make an institution out of it.
> > Sheila
> >
>
> I have to agree with you that, Sheila. Maybe we should
start "unchurching"
> Its not Christianity I have a problem with, its "the Church" as an
> institution
>
> Teresa
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Julie Bogart <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected],
SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/19/03 1:50:33 PM, julie@b... writes:
>
> << Just to set the record straight, my 11yos best friend found
an
> article that showed that HP had Christian allegorical content
and
> clipped it for him. >>
>
> I'm amused by the Christian support of Lord of the Rings, so
parallel to
> their total villification of Harry Potter.

Oo oo. A favorite rant with me!!!
>
> I wonder whether it's not, in part, because Harry Potter is
written by a
> single mother, but LotR was written by a married man.

You're close but no cigar. it's because Tolkein was best friends
with CS Lewis and a noted Christian (okay Catholic, but the
evangelicals are willing to turn a blind eye to this misfortune).
They beleive that his "magic" is better and less ungodly. Huh?

I remember sitting in the theater for FOTR and being so
frightened the entire time. I had no idea that this is what the
LOTR series was about. The darkness and wizardry are far more
powerful and penetrating than anything I've seen or read in HP.
We've read them all so I already know about that "awful 4th
book."

Seriously. Because
> there's not all that much difference otherwise.
>
> Also, I suppose, Harry Potter has a child as a main character.
>
> So while LotR is a man writing manly things about men (if
Hobbits and elves
> can be very manly), and HP is a woman letting a child have the
best lines, at
> the expense of his horrible aunt and uncle.

LOL.

My other contention is that Rowling uses Halloween imagery for
her magic and since Halloween is universely condemned and
ignored by Christians, they couldn't see through the pumpkins
and ghosts of Rowling's witchcraft to see the masterpiece she'd
written (which includes sacrifical death, love of mother, loyalty,
and redemption... deep Christian themes).

I'm with you—LOTR and HP—same, same.

Julie B

Peggy

Teresa wrote:

> Sandra said..
><My kids are kinder than I am>
>
>Thats easy for me to believe .. good for them. You catch a lot more flies
>with honey than vinegar.. undoubtedly they've learned this by interacting
>with a lot of diversity.

Anyone can be a pleaser. Not everyone wants to be one or thinks it
is a valid or enviable role to base one's life on. Gets to be quite
a burden usually and tends to make one a bit bitter and resentful.

Judging by the stories told here by people in real life situations
that is NOT how most want to go down the road to old age. Be strong.
Be real. Leave the honey for the bees. ;)

Peggy

[email protected]

In a message dated 01/19/2003 5:30:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
grlynbl@... writes:

> I have to agree with you that, Sheila. Maybe we should start "unchurching"
>
> Its not Christianity I have a problem with, its "the Church" as an
> institution
>
> Teresa

We started unchurching back in September. We couldn't take the hypocrisy and
the constant begging for money always associated with the tithe obligation. I
find it difficult to hand over 10% of our income to an organization that
provides Leer jets and Lexus and Mercedes to it's "higher leadership." I see
our family as a whole being much happier and relaxed without the
institutional obligation. I think our spirituality is stronger than it was
when we were being spoon-fed someone else's ideas and interpretations.

I like unchurching.

Ginny



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Peggy

> You're close but no cigar. it's because Tolkein was best friends
> with CS Lewis and a noted Christian (okay Catholic, but the
> evangelicals are willing to turn a blind eye to this misfortune).
> They beleive that his "magic" is better and less ungodly. Huh?
>
> I remember sitting in the theater for FOTR and being so
> frightened the entire time. I had no idea that this is what the
> LOTR series was about. The darkness and wizardry are far more
> powerful and penetrating than anything I've seen or read in HP.
> We've read them all so I already know about that "awful 4th
> book."
>
> Seriously. Because
> > there's not all that much difference otherwise.
> >
> > Also, I suppose, Harry Potter has a child as a main character.
> >
> > So while LotR is a man writing manly things about men (if
> Hobbits and elves
> > can be very manly), and HP is a woman letting a child have the
> best lines, at
> > the expense of his horrible aunt and uncle.
>
> LOL.
>
> My other contention is that Rowling uses Halloween imagery for
> her magic and since Halloween is universely condemned and
> ignored by Christians, they couldn't see through the pumpkins
> and ghosts of Rowling's witchcraft to see the masterpiece she'd
> written (which includes sacrifical death, love of mother, loyalty,
> and redemption... deep Christian themes).
>
> I'm with you—LOTR and HP—same, same.
>
> Julie B

And I think it is all about control. Bilbo and Frodo follow their
elder's orders/requests and go off on adventures against the evil
ones.

In Harry Potter the adults in charge can be the evil ones. And the
kids in the story question their actions, show up their foibles, and
disobey all the time. The children in Harry Potter think and
question and act on their own initiative. J.K. Rowling writes about
the real life dynamic of schooling and kids and coercion. Tolkien's
worlds are all beautiful scenery and fighting different kinds of
magical bad guys who in any christian story would be called the
devil.

Harry Potter scares the hell out of fundamentalists because it
clearly shows their version of control up for the farce that it is
and ridicules it in language a six year old can understand.

Harry Potter as an anti Fundamentalist (of any religion) Manifesto.

Peggy

Heidi <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], "kayb85 <sheran@p...>"
<sheran@p...> wrote:
>
> > Your heathen kids sound very Christlike. :)
>
> I agree.
>
> I think the same thing happened with Christianity as happened to
> learning. Someone decided that it would be a good idea to organize
> it more and make an institution out of it.
> Sheila

Nah, it's just that HP is the current Evangelical Hotspot. Anyone
remember Pokemon? It was shunned because the word means Pocket
Monster or some such, as if monsters are not to be encountered at any
time. Do these people read the good, old fashioned, Western
Civilization-oriented, Christian Allegorical FAIRY TALES to their
kids? sheesh!

Okay, Pokemon is pretty recent. What about POGS. (Is that what
they're called?) they were the modern-day equivalent of marbles,
where the kids gathered and battled it out for, well...little circles
of plastic. LOL I read at that time about the evil waste of money and
time such a thing was. Of course, when my dad was playing marbles,
there were probably a slew of nay-sayers for THAT activity, too.

Harry Potter will last as long as POGS lasted, or maybe a bit longer.
The Christian response should be "Hmmm, a fairy tale." and read it to
see what's good and what's bad about it. And then if they want to,
let their kids read it, and then discuss it with them.

hmm, what does this have to do with The Church as an institution? LOL

Heidi

[email protected]

In a message dated 1/20/03 12:49:54 PM, bunsofaluminum60@... writes:

<< Harry Potter will last as long as POGS lasted, or maybe a bit longer.
The Christian response should be "Hmmm, a fairy tale." and read it to
see what's good and what's bad about it. And then if they want to,
let their kids read it, and then discuss it with them. >>

They like proof that Satan is vying for souls. Something to point at.

-=-What about POGS. (Is that what
they're called?) they were the modern-day equivalent of marbles,
where the kids gathered and battled it out for, well...little circles
of plastic.-=-

Cardboard!

But it was gambling.

Sandra

DanickeHouse

I just have a quick question. I'm a new subscriber to the list (referred by
a fellow unschooler from another list) and wondered if Christians are
welcome here. Maybe I just joined at a bad time?

Not that I'm not used to being between a rock and a hard place. We've found
as a general rule Christians don't accept us because we're Unschoolers
(that's Pagan, you know *rolls eyes heavenward*) and Unschoolers don't
accept us because we're Christians...which I can partially understand
because of the wackos who go around bombing clinics and murdering doctors.
Who wouldn't have a tainted view of us?

My kids love Harry Potter, watch Pokemon every night at 9 on Cartoon
Network, and are busily learning Elvish these days as a result of our
current obsession with LOTR. I don't give a flying fig whether JK Rowling
is a Christian or a Pagan, or an Atheist. She's a damn fine author and her
books have my 11 year old reading like there's no tomorrow. And yes, I've
had all of the hellfire and brimstone warnings about my children's certain
descent into witchcraft and all things horrible because of HP. But I was
raised in a Christian home and my reading was not monitored. My parents
felt that nothing was more important than developing a love of reading and
nothing more dangerous than squelching a child's interest in reading by
restricting them in some way. I read some things that were deemed
*questionable* in my day, and guess what? I'm not an ax murderer. I am in
fact, quite normal and still a believer in my faith.

Ok, so now that I've gone on too long, I will just promise not to preach or
thump my Bible at anyone. I can live with the stereotypes, I've seen Pat
Robertson and Jerry Fallwell in action too many times, so I understand where
all of the ideas about Christians come from. I just don't want to make
anyone uncomfortable.

Thanks! :o)

Liz
saremca@...
Age doesn't always bring wisdom, sometimes age comes alone.

----- Original Message -----
They like proof that Satan is vying for souls. Something to point at.

Have a Nice Day!

Liz,

You are MORE than welcome on this list. It is for Christians, Jews, Pagans, Atheists, Buddhists and everyone else who has another religious persuasion.

I hope that helps!

Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: DanickeHouse
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Conservative homeschoolers


I just have a quick question. I'm a new subscriber to the list (referred by
a fellow unschooler from another list) and wondered if Christians are
welcome here. Maybe I just joined at a bad time?

Not that I'm not used to being between a rock and a hard place. We've found
as a general rule Christians don't accept us because we're Unschoolers
(that's Pagan, you know *rolls eyes heavenward*) and Unschoolers don't
accept us because we're Christians...which I can partially understand
because of the wackos who go around bombing clinics and murdering doctors.
Who wouldn't have a tainted view of us?

My kids love Harry Potter, watch Pokemon every night at 9 on Cartoon
Network, and are busily learning Elvish these days as a result of our
current obsession with LOTR. I don't give a flying fig whether JK Rowling
is a Christian or a Pagan, or an Atheist. She's a damn fine author and her
books have my 11 year old reading like there's no tomorrow. And yes, I've
had all of the hellfire and brimstone warnings about my children's certain
descent into witchcraft and all things horrible because of HP. But I was
raised in a Christian home and my reading was not monitored. My parents
felt that nothing was more important than developing a love of reading and
nothing more dangerous than squelching a child's interest in reading by
restricting them in some way. I read some things that were deemed
*questionable* in my day, and guess what? I'm not an ax murderer. I am in
fact, quite normal and still a believer in my faith.

Ok, so now that I've gone on too long, I will just promise not to preach or
thump my Bible at anyone. I can live with the stereotypes, I've seen Pat
Robertson and Jerry Fallwell in action too many times, so I understand where
all of the ideas about Christians come from. I just don't want to make
anyone uncomfortable.

Thanks! :o)

Liz
saremca@...
Age doesn't always bring wisdom, sometimes age comes alone.

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They like proof that Satan is vying for souls. Something to point at.




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Have a Nice Day!

OOOPS!!!!!!

I thought this was posted to the Pa-Unschoolers list!!!!!!

Sorry! My PA-unschoolers list folder is right over the Unschooling dotcom list.

I think the same still stands, but I"m not a moderator and not the list owner of this one!!

LOL, so sorry

Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: DanickeHouse
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Conservative homeschoolers


I just have a quick question. I'm a new subscriber to the list (referred by
a fellow unschooler from another list) and wondered if Christians are
welcome here. Maybe I just joined at a bad time?

Not that I'm not used to being between a rock and a hard place. We've found
as a general rule Christians don't accept us because we're Unschoolers
(that's Pagan, you know *rolls eyes heavenward*) and Unschoolers don't
accept us because we're Christians...which I can partially understand
because of the wackos who go around bombing clinics and murdering doctors.
Who wouldn't have a tainted view of us?

My kids love Harry Potter, watch Pokemon every night at 9 on Cartoon
Network, and are busily learning Elvish these days as a result of our
current obsession with LOTR. I don't give a flying fig whether JK Rowling
is a Christian or a Pagan, or an Atheist. She's a damn fine author and her
books have my 11 year old reading like there's no tomorrow. And yes, I've
had all of the hellfire and brimstone warnings about my children's certain
descent into witchcraft and all things horrible because of HP. But I was
raised in a Christian home and my reading was not monitored. My parents
felt that nothing was more important than developing a love of reading and
nothing more dangerous than squelching a child's interest in reading by
restricting them in some way. I read some things that were deemed
*questionable* in my day, and guess what? I'm not an ax murderer. I am in
fact, quite normal and still a believer in my faith.

Ok, so now that I've gone on too long, I will just promise not to preach or
thump my Bible at anyone. I can live with the stereotypes, I've seen Pat
Robertson and Jerry Fallwell in action too many times, so I understand where
all of the ideas about Christians come from. I just don't want to make
anyone uncomfortable.

Thanks! :o)

Liz
saremca@...
Age doesn't always bring wisdom, sometimes age comes alone.

----- Original Message -----
They like proof that Satan is vying for souls. Something to point at.




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