kids and candy, help please
rebecca <[email protected]>
I was wondering if anyone had any input on this.
We have recently, the last 3-4 months stoped restricting the boys
candy, they were never really aloud to have it, and so after joining
this group and doing a lot of dicussing about it we decided to start
letting the kiddos have candy, when ever they ask for it. In most
ways it's working out fine, they almost always want it first thing in
the morning and they are both willing to eat anything eles in the
house, so they both eat really well and that's not the problem that
we are having. The problem is in the amount of energy increase.
Now, Jaiden and Avery have never been to keen on naps and they don't
take them at all now (they are 1 and 4) they are both very early
risers (5-6am) and now they are both frequently up until 11pm and
some nights (depending on the amount of sugar) up until well after
midnight. We have never inforced a bed time, although we do ask that
Jaiden watches movies or plays quietly in his room while I nurce
Avery to sleep. So, on top of the short amount of sleep we are all
getting (they aren't really old enough for me to go and take a nap
and leave them to thier own devices and going to bed before them is
not an option, at this point) they are so full of energy they ware me
out just watching them and being that i can only watch before i am
drafted into all of there adventures, and we have lots of them, I am
finding my self so tired that i'm rethinking this whole candy thing.
I don't want to restict them but I'm at the point that I can't think
real clear, I'm so tired. So, those of you that have done this, and
lived to tell the tale, it will get better wont it?
I really need some encouragement, I know that this is a big deal to
them, but I'm not sure that I'll make it through this period. ;-]
TIA
Rebecca
We have recently, the last 3-4 months stoped restricting the boys
candy, they were never really aloud to have it, and so after joining
this group and doing a lot of dicussing about it we decided to start
letting the kiddos have candy, when ever they ask for it. In most
ways it's working out fine, they almost always want it first thing in
the morning and they are both willing to eat anything eles in the
house, so they both eat really well and that's not the problem that
we are having. The problem is in the amount of energy increase.
Now, Jaiden and Avery have never been to keen on naps and they don't
take them at all now (they are 1 and 4) they are both very early
risers (5-6am) and now they are both frequently up until 11pm and
some nights (depending on the amount of sugar) up until well after
midnight. We have never inforced a bed time, although we do ask that
Jaiden watches movies or plays quietly in his room while I nurce
Avery to sleep. So, on top of the short amount of sleep we are all
getting (they aren't really old enough for me to go and take a nap
and leave them to thier own devices and going to bed before them is
not an option, at this point) they are so full of energy they ware me
out just watching them and being that i can only watch before i am
drafted into all of there adventures, and we have lots of them, I am
finding my self so tired that i'm rethinking this whole candy thing.
I don't want to restict them but I'm at the point that I can't think
real clear, I'm so tired. So, those of you that have done this, and
lived to tell the tale, it will get better wont it?
I really need some encouragement, I know that this is a big deal to
them, but I'm not sure that I'll make it through this period. ;-]
TIA
Rebecca
[email protected]
Hi Rebecca,
You sound tired!
This may sound simplistic, but have you tried cutting down the amount of
sugary foods you buy?
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
You sound tired!
This may sound simplistic, but have you tried cutting down the amount of
sugary foods you buy?
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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In a message dated 1/18/03 7:34:23 PM, elfmama92104@... writes:
<< we decided to start
letting the kiddos have candy, when ever they ask for it. In most
ways it's working out fine, they almost always want it first thing in
the morning >>
Do you always have candy?
We don't.
When we do, it's not something they have to ask for. It's just there.
What kind of candy are you getting, anyway? Are there similar options they
would like? Yogurt covered raisins? Fruit rollups?
Variety, not the grossest candy, and not even making them ask for it so it
doesn't even seem like a magical "yes" reward... I don't know. It just
seems that having candy always, making them ask but saying yes somehow misses
being what people have recommended, but I can't really figure out how to say
"that's not it" without it seeming goofy. So I'm hoping someone will come
here and say what I'm failing to say.
There is a continuum in the cookie and candy world. There's a difference
between peanut clusters and gummy worms, it seems to me. A difference
between chocolate chip oatmeal cookies and marshmallow pinwheels.
Also, if it's been just a week or so, it will take longer. But during this
"longer," maybe people who feel their kids aren't craving sweets will be able
to paint a better picture of their methods, options, routines, something...
The second batch of brownies I mentioned was cut up and put in a plastic box,
but right on the counter. Marty's birthday came and went. Thursday Kirby
and Holly were getting ready to go to a Harry Potter tournament, and I had
made them scrambled egg sandwiches (Holly's request--two for Kirby and one
and a half for her). I asked if they wanted to take chips, and they wrinkled
noses. I asked if they didn't want to take SOMETHING else, and I looked
around and saw the brownies.
"Brownies!?" Kirby said, so I wrapped up two.
Holly gave hers away to someone as soon as she got there. She said there's
another older boy (teen, I think, from the story) and there's a joke that she
always gives him food, so as soon as she walked in he asked if she brought
him food, and she handed him the brownie.
Kirby had another piece of brownie the next afternoon. Most of it's still in
there.
Maybe it's neither offer nor refuse, like La Leche League says about weaning?
I haven't been this analytical about it for a long time. I'm hoping by this
point of reading some of you have figured out what the magic formula might be
to help Rebecca.
Sandra
<< we decided to start
letting the kiddos have candy, when ever they ask for it. In most
ways it's working out fine, they almost always want it first thing in
the morning >>
Do you always have candy?
We don't.
When we do, it's not something they have to ask for. It's just there.
What kind of candy are you getting, anyway? Are there similar options they
would like? Yogurt covered raisins? Fruit rollups?
Variety, not the grossest candy, and not even making them ask for it so it
doesn't even seem like a magical "yes" reward... I don't know. It just
seems that having candy always, making them ask but saying yes somehow misses
being what people have recommended, but I can't really figure out how to say
"that's not it" without it seeming goofy. So I'm hoping someone will come
here and say what I'm failing to say.
There is a continuum in the cookie and candy world. There's a difference
between peanut clusters and gummy worms, it seems to me. A difference
between chocolate chip oatmeal cookies and marshmallow pinwheels.
Also, if it's been just a week or so, it will take longer. But during this
"longer," maybe people who feel their kids aren't craving sweets will be able
to paint a better picture of their methods, options, routines, something...
The second batch of brownies I mentioned was cut up and put in a plastic box,
but right on the counter. Marty's birthday came and went. Thursday Kirby
and Holly were getting ready to go to a Harry Potter tournament, and I had
made them scrambled egg sandwiches (Holly's request--two for Kirby and one
and a half for her). I asked if they wanted to take chips, and they wrinkled
noses. I asked if they didn't want to take SOMETHING else, and I looked
around and saw the brownies.
"Brownies!?" Kirby said, so I wrapped up two.
Holly gave hers away to someone as soon as she got there. She said there's
another older boy (teen, I think, from the story) and there's a joke that she
always gives him food, so as soon as she walked in he asked if she brought
him food, and she handed him the brownie.
Kirby had another piece of brownie the next afternoon. Most of it's still in
there.
Maybe it's neither offer nor refuse, like La Leche League says about weaning?
I haven't been this analytical about it for a long time. I'm hoping by this
point of reading some of you have figured out what the magic formula might be
to help Rebecca.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/18/03 7:40:11 PM, Earthmomma67@... writes:
<< This may sound simplistic, but have you tried cutting down the amount of
sugary foods you buy? >>
And what about sleep-inducing antidotes?
Milk, bananas, turkey?
Sandra
<< This may sound simplistic, but have you tried cutting down the amount of
sugary foods you buy? >>
And what about sleep-inducing antidotes?
Milk, bananas, turkey?
Sandra
Anita van der Leek
For my children it's the flavors and colors in the candy that makes them wired. Try letting them havecandy with natural flavors and colors and see if you notice a difference.
Anita °Ü°
Anita °Ü°
----- Original Message -----
From: rebecca <elfmama92104@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] kids and candy, help please
I was wondering if anyone had any input on this.
We have recently, the last 3-4 months stoped restricting the boys
candy, they were never really aloud to have it, and so after joining
this group and doing a lot of dicussing about it we decided to start
letting the kiddos have candy, when ever they ask for it. In most
ways it's working out fine, they almost always want it first thing in
the morning and they are both willing to eat anything eles in the
house, so they both eat really well and that's not the problem that
we are having. The problem is in the amount of energy increase.
Now, Jaiden and Avery have never been to keen on naps and they don't
take them at all now (they are 1 and 4) they are both very early
risers (5-6am) and now they are both frequently up until 11pm and
some nights (depending on the amount of sugar) up until well after
midnight. We have never inforced a bed time, although we do ask that
Jaiden watches movies or plays quietly in his room while I nurce
Avery to sleep. So, on top of the short amount of sleep we are all
getting (they aren't really old enough for me to go and take a nap
and leave them to thier own devices and going to bed before them is
not an option, at this point) they are so full of energy they ware me
out just watching them and being that i can only watch before i am
drafted into all of there adventures, and we have lots of them, I am
finding my self so tired that i'm rethinking this whole candy thing.
I don't want to restict them but I'm at the point that I can't think
real clear, I'm so tired. So, those of you that have done this, and
lived to tell the tale, it will get better wont it?
I really need some encouragement, I know that this is a big deal to
them, but I'm not sure that I'll make it through this period. ;-]
TIA
Rebecca
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rebecca delong
Hi Elissa, up until 4 months ago we didn't buy any sugry foods other than friut. After joining this group dh and I dicided to start letting Jaiden and Avery have candy, we looked around and found a couple health food stores that sold all natural candy, and we got a few things, they went over big. Our family (parents and siblings) went a little nuts stocking the boys with candy they were glad we were finally letting the kids be "normal", thier words not mine so at the moment we have a bunch on hand.
Although we did by Jaiden a few fruit chewy things earlier this week when he found them at the store.
Earthmomma67@... wrote:Hi Rebecca,
You sound tired!
This may sound simplistic, but have you tried cutting down the amount of
sugary foods you buy?
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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Although we did by Jaiden a few fruit chewy things earlier this week when he found them at the store.
Earthmomma67@... wrote:Hi Rebecca,
You sound tired!
This may sound simplistic, but have you tried cutting down the amount of
sugary foods you buy?
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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Mary Bianco
Well so far no one has mentioned this so here goes. There have been numerous
studies conducted that many parents refuse to believe. These studies suggest
that sugar itself has no bearing on making children hyper.
I've been reading up on these studies for years, mostly because I have some
children who are sweet lovers and some who aren't. I have never seen in this
house where too much sugar causes any different behavior. After seeing and
talking to many parents, I haven't seen a real difference either. Just my 2
cents.
There are a few theories as to why some parents are convinced it's the
sugar.
It is believed that when children aren't allowed the availability of candy,
then given free reign, it's the party atmosphere itself which lends the
children to be extra happy and active. We've all seen it at birthday parties
where candy, ice cream and cake flow to children that finally have an excuse
to eat as much as they can. Maybe just the restriction itself being lifted
from not as much candy as you want to go at it, makes the difference in
behavior.
It is also believed it could possibly be the caffeine in some goodies that
is causing the hyper behavior. I say hyper as in meaning not sleeping or
being calm like one would expect. It has been reported that food dyes have
no affect on most children, but caffeine can.
It has also been said that possibly it's not the sugar itself, but the food
it comes from that can cause a change. Like sugar from corn wouldn't bother
a child but sugar from sugar beets would. Therefore it's not really the
sugar itself but the food it came from.
It is also possible it's not the sugar itself again, but the lack of other
"good" foods with it that has an affect. Maybe a child who has been lifted
of being restricted will eat more candy and less protein for awhile causing
the change. When it balances out to where the child eats less candy and more
protein, as time will allow, things get back to normal.
And the last one I can remember is the affect the parent themselves can have
on the children. The parents behavior affecting the outcome when the
children have candy. Like saying the candy will make them not sleep and then
of course the children don't sleep.
These are just all things I have read and heard and tend to believe on each
account. Definitely food for thought. Maybe something will make sense to
you.
Mary B
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studies conducted that many parents refuse to believe. These studies suggest
that sugar itself has no bearing on making children hyper.
I've been reading up on these studies for years, mostly because I have some
children who are sweet lovers and some who aren't. I have never seen in this
house where too much sugar causes any different behavior. After seeing and
talking to many parents, I haven't seen a real difference either. Just my 2
cents.
There are a few theories as to why some parents are convinced it's the
sugar.
It is believed that when children aren't allowed the availability of candy,
then given free reign, it's the party atmosphere itself which lends the
children to be extra happy and active. We've all seen it at birthday parties
where candy, ice cream and cake flow to children that finally have an excuse
to eat as much as they can. Maybe just the restriction itself being lifted
from not as much candy as you want to go at it, makes the difference in
behavior.
It is also believed it could possibly be the caffeine in some goodies that
is causing the hyper behavior. I say hyper as in meaning not sleeping or
being calm like one would expect. It has been reported that food dyes have
no affect on most children, but caffeine can.
It has also been said that possibly it's not the sugar itself, but the food
it comes from that can cause a change. Like sugar from corn wouldn't bother
a child but sugar from sugar beets would. Therefore it's not really the
sugar itself but the food it came from.
It is also possible it's not the sugar itself again, but the lack of other
"good" foods with it that has an affect. Maybe a child who has been lifted
of being restricted will eat more candy and less protein for awhile causing
the change. When it balances out to where the child eats less candy and more
protein, as time will allow, things get back to normal.
And the last one I can remember is the affect the parent themselves can have
on the children. The parents behavior affecting the outcome when the
children have candy. Like saying the candy will make them not sleep and then
of course the children don't sleep.
These are just all things I have read and heard and tend to believe on each
account. Definitely food for thought. Maybe something will make sense to
you.
Mary B
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rebecca delong
Up until about 4 months ago we never had it at all. Candy was not something that Jason and I ate and was not something that we felt was good for the kids to have. Jaiden had a hard time with this because all around him kids were eating candy and he wasn't aloud to have it and it made him sad. We did buy him things like yogurt covered raisins and juice pops and he can have all the fruit he wants (it's all the artifical crap in candy and in processed foods that we don't like and that I can't eat with out getting really sick, allergys and such) but those things just wern't the same. So, once we made the decission to let him have candy we found as many natural candies that we could and bought a few of each and put them out so that the kids could pick and choose at thier will, knowing that the would be like a kid in a candy store <beg> for a while. Jaiden surprised us, he had a few, said he wasn't sure what all the fuss was about with the kids down stairs, could he please go get some carrots instead. Now he does eat the candy, he does like it and I do think that the sugar keeps him up a little more than normal, but he has been on the go since the day he was born and is just a very hyper kid, so I'm not really as concerened about him as I am about Avery. Avery went nuts with the candy made him self sick a number of times, so we moved the candy out of his reach( but still with in Jaidens) thinking that if it wasn't right out in front of him it would be a little better. He learned how to climb real quick. So we have to keep it up.
So, it's been about 4 months and we don't really buy much, only when Jaiden asks or something that they love is all gone and it's been gone for a couple of weeks. Like I said though, the grandparents went nuts at X-mas so we have quite a bit of some things.
Rebecca
SandraDodd@... wrote:
<<Do you always have candy?
We don't.
When we do, it's not something they have to ask for. It's just there.
What kind of candy are you getting, anyway? Are there similar options they
would like? Yogurt covered raisins? Fruit rollups?
Variety, not the grossest candy, and not even making them ask for it so it
doesn't even seem like a magical "yes" reward... I don't know. It just
seems that having candy always, making them ask but saying yes somehow misses
being what people have recommended, but I can't really figure out how to say
"that's not it" without it seeming goofy. So I'm hoping someone will come
here and say what I'm failing to say.
There is a continuum in the cookie and candy world. There's a difference
between peanut clusters and gummy worms, it seems to me. A difference
between chocolate chip oatmeal cookies and marshmallow pinwheels.
Also, if it's been just a week or so, it will take longer. But during this
"longer," maybe people who feel their kids aren't craving sweets will be able
to paint a better picture of their methods, options, routines, something...>>
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So, it's been about 4 months and we don't really buy much, only when Jaiden asks or something that they love is all gone and it's been gone for a couple of weeks. Like I said though, the grandparents went nuts at X-mas so we have quite a bit of some things.
Rebecca
SandraDodd@... wrote:
<<Do you always have candy?
We don't.
When we do, it's not something they have to ask for. It's just there.
What kind of candy are you getting, anyway? Are there similar options they
would like? Yogurt covered raisins? Fruit rollups?
Variety, not the grossest candy, and not even making them ask for it so it
doesn't even seem like a magical "yes" reward... I don't know. It just
seems that having candy always, making them ask but saying yes somehow misses
being what people have recommended, but I can't really figure out how to say
"that's not it" without it seeming goofy. So I'm hoping someone will come
here and say what I'm failing to say.
There is a continuum in the cookie and candy world. There's a difference
between peanut clusters and gummy worms, it seems to me. A difference
between chocolate chip oatmeal cookies and marshmallow pinwheels.
Also, if it's been just a week or so, it will take longer. But during this
"longer," maybe people who feel their kids aren't craving sweets will be able
to paint a better picture of their methods, options, routines, something...>>
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rebecca delong
Haven't tried those. They both hate milk, but love bannans so I'll try that.
Thanx, Rebecca
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In a message dated 1/18/03 7:40:11 PM, Earthmomma67@... writes:
<< This may sound simplistic, but have you tried cutting down the amount of
sugary foods you buy? >>
And what about sleep-inducing antidotes?
Milk, bananas, turkey?
Sandra
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Thanx, Rebecca
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/18/03 7:40:11 PM, Earthmomma67@... writes:
<< This may sound simplistic, but have you tried cutting down the amount of
sugary foods you buy? >>
And what about sleep-inducing antidotes?
Milk, bananas, turkey?
Sandra
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rebecca delong
I understand, it seems to be the same with mine, the only kids I know that are wired after a box of mac&cheese.
We do buy all natural candies, in fact we found all natural, no fake stuff, organic m&m's they are sooooooo good, I'm in heaven (I can't have the colors or flavors either). I'm wondering if it's just the fact that we waited to give them sugary foods and mabey they just don't process it, haven't built up any tolerances to it, like Jason can drink a pot of coffee and go to bed, because he's been drinking it for so long but if I have more than 2 cups I can't sit still.
I wonder how long it takes to work up a tolerance?
Rebecca
Anita van der Leek <avdleek@...> wrote:For my children it's the flavors and colors in the candy that makes them wired. Try letting them havecandy with natural flavors and colors and see if you notice a difference.
Anita ���
We do buy all natural candies, in fact we found all natural, no fake stuff, organic m&m's they are sooooooo good, I'm in heaven (I can't have the colors or flavors either). I'm wondering if it's just the fact that we waited to give them sugary foods and mabey they just don't process it, haven't built up any tolerances to it, like Jason can drink a pot of coffee and go to bed, because he's been drinking it for so long but if I have more than 2 cups I can't sit still.
I wonder how long it takes to work up a tolerance?
Rebecca
Anita van der Leek <avdleek@...> wrote:For my children it's the flavors and colors in the candy that makes them wired. Try letting them havecandy with natural flavors and colors and see if you notice a difference.
Anita ���
----- Original Message -----
From: rebecca <elfmama92104@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:34 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] kids and candy, help please
I was wondering if anyone had any input on this.
We have recently, the last 3-4 months stoped restricting the boys
candy, they were never really aloud to have it, and so after joining
this group and doing a lot of dicussing about it we decided to start
letting the kiddos have candy, when ever they ask for it. In most
ways it's working out fine, they almost always want it first thing in
the morning and they are both willing to eat anything eles in the
house, so they both eat really well and that's not the problem that
we are having. The problem is in the amount of energy increase.
Now, Jaiden and Avery have never been to keen on naps and they don't
take them at all now (they are 1 and 4) they are both very early
risers (5-6am) and now they are both frequently up until 11pm and
some nights (depending on the amount of sugar) up until well after
midnight. We have never inforced a bed time, although we do ask that
Jaiden watches movies or plays quietly in his room while I nurce
Avery to sleep. So, on top of the short amount of sleep we are all
getting (they aren't really old enough for me to go and take a nap
and leave them to thier own devices and going to bed before them is
not an option, at this point) they are so full of energy they ware me
out just watching them and being that i can only watch before i am
drafted into all of there adventures, and we have lots of them, I am
finding my self so tired that i'm rethinking this whole candy thing.
I don't want to restict them but I'm at the point that I can't think
real clear, I'm so tired. So, those of you that have done this, and
lived to tell the tale, it will get better wont it?
I really need some encouragement, I know that this is a big deal to
them, but I'm not sure that I'll make it through this period. ;-]
TIA
Rebecca
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In a message dated 1/18/03 11:17:40 PM, mummyone24@... writes:
<< Well so far no one has mentioned this so here goes. There have been
numerous
studies conducted that many parents refuse to believe. These studies suggest
that sugar itself has no bearing on making children hyper. >>
I was talking to Keith about this tonight, after reading some posts here.
I asked him if he thought I was crazy to think that when parents said sugar
made kids hyper that it was just the same as when parents used to say coffee
would stunt their growth--a tale untested by real parents with real kids.
He said he thought maybe so. That when kids have eaten "too much" sugar (by
the parents' reckoning) that the parents LOOK for any "bad behavior" to prove
that it was too much.
I think that in a season when parents have changed rules and it seems like a
holiday or something very new and different, that that alone might be enough
to excite them. Any freedom a usually-limited kid gets is going to be
stimulating and exciting. Maybe that is what causes the heightened mood.
<< I have never seen in this
house where too much sugar causes any different behavior. After seeing and
talking to many parents, I haven't seen a real difference either. >>
I've never once seen it. But I have seen parents say "See? Too much sugar"
just because a kid was excited about being at a birthday party, or excited
about being able to roast marshmallows on a real fire, or excited to be at my
house making cookies or whatever the exciting (and different) thing was.
(I wrote the above before reading the rest of Mary's post, where I see some
of those points have been made. <g>)
It is also possible it's not the sugar itself again, but the lack of other
"good" foods with it that has an affect. Maybe a child who has been lifted
of being restricted will eat more candy and less protein for awhile causing
the change. When it balances out to where the child eats less candy and more
protein, as time will allow, things get back to normal.>>
The sleep-inducing foods to go with it. Something heavier and soothing.
Sandra
<< Well so far no one has mentioned this so here goes. There have been
numerous
studies conducted that many parents refuse to believe. These studies suggest
that sugar itself has no bearing on making children hyper. >>
I was talking to Keith about this tonight, after reading some posts here.
I asked him if he thought I was crazy to think that when parents said sugar
made kids hyper that it was just the same as when parents used to say coffee
would stunt their growth--a tale untested by real parents with real kids.
He said he thought maybe so. That when kids have eaten "too much" sugar (by
the parents' reckoning) that the parents LOOK for any "bad behavior" to prove
that it was too much.
I think that in a season when parents have changed rules and it seems like a
holiday or something very new and different, that that alone might be enough
to excite them. Any freedom a usually-limited kid gets is going to be
stimulating and exciting. Maybe that is what causes the heightened mood.
<< I have never seen in this
house where too much sugar causes any different behavior. After seeing and
talking to many parents, I haven't seen a real difference either. >>
I've never once seen it. But I have seen parents say "See? Too much sugar"
just because a kid was excited about being at a birthday party, or excited
about being able to roast marshmallows on a real fire, or excited to be at my
house making cookies or whatever the exciting (and different) thing was.
(I wrote the above before reading the rest of Mary's post, where I see some
of those points have been made. <g>)
It is also possible it's not the sugar itself again, but the lack of other
"good" foods with it that has an affect. Maybe a child who has been lifted
of being restricted will eat more candy and less protein for awhile causing
the change. When it balances out to where the child eats less candy and more
protein, as time will allow, things get back to normal.>>
The sleep-inducing foods to go with it. Something heavier and soothing.
Sandra
rebecca delong
Mary Bianco <mummyone24@...> wrote:
<<Well so far no one has mentioned this so here goes. There have been numerous
studies conducted that many parents refuse to believe. These studies suggest
that sugar itself has no bearing on making children hyper.>>
Hmmm, I always thought that sugar did have an affect, I can feel the affects when I have a lot of sweets (refined sugars that is, fruits don't have the same effect), but then i was always told that certain sugars affected the body and mind in different ways, wonder if all this time it's been only in my mind ;-)
<<It is believed that when children aren't allowed the availability of candy,
then given free reign, it's the party atmosphere itself which lends the
children to be extra happy and active. We've all seen it at birthday parties
where candy, ice cream and cake flow to children that finally have an excuse
to eat as much as they can. Maybe just the restriction itself being lifted
from not as much candy as you want to go at it, makes the difference in
behavior.>>
This i find interesting, because the one that the candy seems to affects Avery (1.5) the most and he hasn't had the restrictions on the candy that Jaiden has had, at the same time though, Jaiden has always been so very active that if he's a little more so than normal it's still not as noticable as Avery that has always been so calm, in comparision to Jaiden i've been told by other parents they don't know how I do it with two "such active and hyper" boys. Avery just can't sit still and is sleeping so much less than before.
<<It is also believed it could possibly be the caffeine in some goodies that
is causing the hyper behavior. I say hyper as in meaning not sleeping or
being calm like one would expect. It has been reported that food dyes have
no affect on most children, but caffeine can.>>
Now I know that food dyes affect me, but I have crazy food alerrgies, but then I'm allergic to just about everything, and we had just assumed that the boys inherited it from me, due to thier behavoir after having things that contain food dye, and i'm talking about things like canned corn with colors added or mac&cheese, not candy. (oh yah, I do know what happens when you assume stuff ;-)). Also other than chocolate are their candies that contain caffine?
<<It has also been said that possibly it's not the sugar itself, but the food
it comes from that can cause a change. Like sugar from corn wouldn't bother
a child but sugar from sugar beets would. Therefore it's not really the
sugar itself but the food it came from.>>
Hmmmm, very interesting, time to google.
<<It is also possible it's not the sugar itself again, but the lack of other
"good" foods with it that has an affect. Maybe a child who has been lifted
of being restricted will eat more candy and less protein for awhile causing
the change. When it balances out to where the child eats less candy and more
protein, as time will allow, things get back to normal.>>
Now both boys eat very well, lots of fresh fruit and veggies, lots of good food (we are a family that enjoys cooking and eating) Although Avery will not eat meat of any kind at all. So mabey he's not getting enough protein. I'll try to watch him over the next few days, he's a grazer and doesn't eat a "meal" so I'll have to watch and see what he is really eating.
<,And the last one I can remember is the affect the parent themselves can have
on the children. The parents behavior affecting the outcome when the
children have candy. Like saying the candy will make them not sleep and then
of course the children don't sleep.>>
I don't think I have ever said this, at least not in front of the kids, but i am sure that they are picking up on my worries, and honestly as tired as i have been the last few weeks i can't vouch for anything.
These are just all things I have read and heard and tend to believe on each
account. Definitely food for thought. Maybe something will make sense to
you.
Mary B
could you tell me where you have gotten your info, I'd like to look in to it. Thanx
Rebecca
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<<Well so far no one has mentioned this so here goes. There have been numerous
studies conducted that many parents refuse to believe. These studies suggest
that sugar itself has no bearing on making children hyper.>>
Hmmm, I always thought that sugar did have an affect, I can feel the affects when I have a lot of sweets (refined sugars that is, fruits don't have the same effect), but then i was always told that certain sugars affected the body and mind in different ways, wonder if all this time it's been only in my mind ;-)
<<It is believed that when children aren't allowed the availability of candy,
then given free reign, it's the party atmosphere itself which lends the
children to be extra happy and active. We've all seen it at birthday parties
where candy, ice cream and cake flow to children that finally have an excuse
to eat as much as they can. Maybe just the restriction itself being lifted
from not as much candy as you want to go at it, makes the difference in
behavior.>>
This i find interesting, because the one that the candy seems to affects Avery (1.5) the most and he hasn't had the restrictions on the candy that Jaiden has had, at the same time though, Jaiden has always been so very active that if he's a little more so than normal it's still not as noticable as Avery that has always been so calm, in comparision to Jaiden i've been told by other parents they don't know how I do it with two "such active and hyper" boys. Avery just can't sit still and is sleeping so much less than before.
<<It is also believed it could possibly be the caffeine in some goodies that
is causing the hyper behavior. I say hyper as in meaning not sleeping or
being calm like one would expect. It has been reported that food dyes have
no affect on most children, but caffeine can.>>
Now I know that food dyes affect me, but I have crazy food alerrgies, but then I'm allergic to just about everything, and we had just assumed that the boys inherited it from me, due to thier behavoir after having things that contain food dye, and i'm talking about things like canned corn with colors added or mac&cheese, not candy. (oh yah, I do know what happens when you assume stuff ;-)). Also other than chocolate are their candies that contain caffine?
<<It has also been said that possibly it's not the sugar itself, but the food
it comes from that can cause a change. Like sugar from corn wouldn't bother
a child but sugar from sugar beets would. Therefore it's not really the
sugar itself but the food it came from.>>
Hmmmm, very interesting, time to google.
<<It is also possible it's not the sugar itself again, but the lack of other
"good" foods with it that has an affect. Maybe a child who has been lifted
of being restricted will eat more candy and less protein for awhile causing
the change. When it balances out to where the child eats less candy and more
protein, as time will allow, things get back to normal.>>
Now both boys eat very well, lots of fresh fruit and veggies, lots of good food (we are a family that enjoys cooking and eating) Although Avery will not eat meat of any kind at all. So mabey he's not getting enough protein. I'll try to watch him over the next few days, he's a grazer and doesn't eat a "meal" so I'll have to watch and see what he is really eating.
<,And the last one I can remember is the affect the parent themselves can have
on the children. The parents behavior affecting the outcome when the
children have candy. Like saying the candy will make them not sleep and then
of course the children don't sleep.>>
I don't think I have ever said this, at least not in front of the kids, but i am sure that they are picking up on my worries, and honestly as tired as i have been the last few weeks i can't vouch for anything.
These are just all things I have read and heard and tend to believe on each
account. Definitely food for thought. Maybe something will make sense to
you.
Mary B
could you tell me where you have gotten your info, I'd like to look in to it. Thanx
Rebecca
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I'm guessing maybe for the same reason some people thought people who didn't
limit video games were buying dozens of games at $50 a pop, some people think
letting kids eat candy means buying any and all most sugar-bomb of all candy.
It doesn't.
It means not "criminalizing" candy or measuring it out by the bite or the
ounce.
There are some kinds of sweets I have never had in my house as an adult.
Twinkies. Never.
The only cookies I've bought in the past year were the sugar wafers (cheap,
three colors; that might have been over a year), oreos (twice?) and Orange
Milanos by Pepperidge Farm. When/if the cookies are here, they belong to
whoever wants to eat them. None went all at once.
Candy is more common. Keith bought a case (36 bars? more?) from Costco two
weeks ago, They're half gone. I had one tonight while watching a movie,
while a visiting adult friend finished off all the brownies (four or five
brownies <g>).
We never have any plain sugar candy like suckers or jawbreakers. Marty like
s Kit Kats and Reeses, and that's what was in his Christmas stocking. He
still has some.
Sandra
limit video games were buying dozens of games at $50 a pop, some people think
letting kids eat candy means buying any and all most sugar-bomb of all candy.
It doesn't.
It means not "criminalizing" candy or measuring it out by the bite or the
ounce.
There are some kinds of sweets I have never had in my house as an adult.
Twinkies. Never.
The only cookies I've bought in the past year were the sugar wafers (cheap,
three colors; that might have been over a year), oreos (twice?) and Orange
Milanos by Pepperidge Farm. When/if the cookies are here, they belong to
whoever wants to eat them. None went all at once.
Candy is more common. Keith bought a case (36 bars? more?) from Costco two
weeks ago, They're half gone. I had one tonight while watching a movie,
while a visiting adult friend finished off all the brownies (four or five
brownies <g>).
We never have any plain sugar candy like suckers or jawbreakers. Marty like
s Kit Kats and Reeses, and that's what was in his Christmas stocking. He
still has some.
Sandra
[email protected]
http://www.healthwell.com/hnbreakthroughs/jul98/sugar.cfm?path=hw
http://www.healthfactsandfears.com/featured_articles/feb2002/sugar020702.html
I went to google and put in
affect sugar hyper research
and got lots of articles, all of which are saying in double-blind studies,
they didn't find a difference between kids with sugar-free same and other
kids had with sugar.
Main Page : Education Programs : Ask A Scientist! : Q&A
Sugar does not cause hyperactive behavior
Does sugar make you hyper if you eat a lot of it?
The answer is no, despite the fact that so many people believe this to be
true. Many carefully controlled studies have been conducted to test this idea
and failed to find any effect of sugar consumption on children's behavior.
Why, then do so many people believe that sugar causes hyperactivity in
children? One possibility is that parent's beliefs affect what they see. In
one recent study, a group of children thought to be "behaviorally sensitive"
to sugar were studied. The children were divided into two groups. The mothers
of one group were told that their children were given a drink with a lot of
sugar. The mothers of the other group were told that their children had been
given a drink that did not contain sugar. All children had actually been
given a drink sweetened with Nutrasweet. The mothers who thought that their
children had had sugar rated them as more hyperactive than the other mothers.
These results suggest that parents' and teachers' beliefs about sugar affect
their perceptions of children's behavior. Another possibility is that parents
who believe that sugar makes their children hyperactive only allow them to
have sugar for special occasions, such as birthday parties or family
gatherings. These are occasions where children tend to be somewhat excited
and active anyway. Then when the parents see their children being very active
and excited, they think that it is due to the sugar. But regardless of the
reason for people's erroneous beliefs about this, it is quite clear that
sugar does not produce hyperactivity, even when researchers have specifically
focused on children with a presumed "sugar sensitivity".
Published on: 31 May 2000
http://www.ccmr.cornell.edu/education/ask/qna.html?question_id=241 (the bit
above is from this link)
http://www.aspartame.net/media/news/nbctoday.html
Lots more there...
Sandra
. SCIENTIST
Barbara J. Strupp
·Associate Professor
·Division of Nutritional Sciences and Department of Psychology
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Research Area
Developmental cognitive disorders
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Education
Ph.D Cornell University
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Family
Husband, David Levitsky; Son, Micheal Strupp-Levitsky, age 3; step-son Steve
Levitsky, age 31; step-daughters Sandy and Susan Levitsky, ages 28 and 25,
repectively
------------------------------------------------------------------------
bjs13@...
. QUESTION ASKED BY
Sha-Quan Rose
------------------------------------------------------------------------
School
West Middle School, Binghamton
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Teacher
Mrs. Summerlee
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Interests
Basketball and playing video games
------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.healthfactsandfears.com/featured_articles/feb2002/sugar020702.html
I went to google and put in
affect sugar hyper research
and got lots of articles, all of which are saying in double-blind studies,
they didn't find a difference between kids with sugar-free same and other
kids had with sugar.
Main Page : Education Programs : Ask A Scientist! : Q&A
Sugar does not cause hyperactive behavior
Does sugar make you hyper if you eat a lot of it?
The answer is no, despite the fact that so many people believe this to be
true. Many carefully controlled studies have been conducted to test this idea
and failed to find any effect of sugar consumption on children's behavior.
Why, then do so many people believe that sugar causes hyperactivity in
children? One possibility is that parent's beliefs affect what they see. In
one recent study, a group of children thought to be "behaviorally sensitive"
to sugar were studied. The children were divided into two groups. The mothers
of one group were told that their children were given a drink with a lot of
sugar. The mothers of the other group were told that their children had been
given a drink that did not contain sugar. All children had actually been
given a drink sweetened with Nutrasweet. The mothers who thought that their
children had had sugar rated them as more hyperactive than the other mothers.
These results suggest that parents' and teachers' beliefs about sugar affect
their perceptions of children's behavior. Another possibility is that parents
who believe that sugar makes their children hyperactive only allow them to
have sugar for special occasions, such as birthday parties or family
gatherings. These are occasions where children tend to be somewhat excited
and active anyway. Then when the parents see their children being very active
and excited, they think that it is due to the sugar. But regardless of the
reason for people's erroneous beliefs about this, it is quite clear that
sugar does not produce hyperactivity, even when researchers have specifically
focused on children with a presumed "sugar sensitivity".
Published on: 31 May 2000
http://www.ccmr.cornell.edu/education/ask/qna.html?question_id=241 (the bit
above is from this link)
http://www.aspartame.net/media/news/nbctoday.html
Lots more there...
Sandra
. SCIENTIST
Barbara J. Strupp
·Associate Professor
·Division of Nutritional Sciences and Department of Psychology
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Research Area
Developmental cognitive disorders
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Education
Ph.D Cornell University
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Family
Husband, David Levitsky; Son, Micheal Strupp-Levitsky, age 3; step-son Steve
Levitsky, age 31; step-daughters Sandy and Susan Levitsky, ages 28 and 25,
repectively
------------------------------------------------------------------------
bjs13@...
. QUESTION ASKED BY
Sha-Quan Rose
------------------------------------------------------------------------
School
West Middle School, Binghamton
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Teacher
Mrs. Summerlee
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Interests
Basketball and playing video games
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[email protected]
My dad, the shrink, told me YEARS ago--when I was a child---that the sugar =
hyperactivity was a crock. I still hear almost DAILY parents' complaining
about sugar intake. That it makes their kids crazy. That it rots their teeth.
That they can't sleep.
How 'bout the kid's so excited to FINALLY get some? How 'bout genetically bad
teeth? How 'bout the excitement of whatever/whereever the child WAS when he
got the candy? And what about the complex
sugars----potatoes/pasta/carrots/bread????? Do THEY not cause hyperactivity
or rot teeth?
Seems to me it's one of those old wive's tales. Children aren't allowed sugar
because the parent wants to keep it for her/himSELF!
I've never seen any difference in "before" or "after" sugar intake in ME or
my children. And maybe it's just the mindset that my father gave me as a
child---that sugar wasn't "bad"?
I know there have been studies done that say sugar does NOT cause
hyperactivity. Have there been ANY done to say that it DOES????
~Kelly
hyperactivity was a crock. I still hear almost DAILY parents' complaining
about sugar intake. That it makes their kids crazy. That it rots their teeth.
That they can't sleep.
How 'bout the kid's so excited to FINALLY get some? How 'bout genetically bad
teeth? How 'bout the excitement of whatever/whereever the child WAS when he
got the candy? And what about the complex
sugars----potatoes/pasta/carrots/bread????? Do THEY not cause hyperactivity
or rot teeth?
Seems to me it's one of those old wive's tales. Children aren't allowed sugar
because the parent wants to keep it for her/himSELF!
I've never seen any difference in "before" or "after" sugar intake in ME or
my children. And maybe it's just the mindset that my father gave me as a
child---that sugar wasn't "bad"?
I know there have been studies done that say sugar does NOT cause
hyperactivity. Have there been ANY done to say that it DOES????
~Kelly
Marjorie Kirk
I have to agree that sugery foods don't seem to make my kids more "hyper",
but with two of my three sugar on an empty stomach will lead to MAJOR
meltdowns. I first noticed it when my oldest stopped nursing through the
night, at about 2.5 . He would wake up screaming, crying or just incredibly
irritable. Within two or three minutes of drinking a cup of juice he would
be fine. It took me six months to realize that I had half an hour to feed
him, or he would crash again. As he got older, and his brother came along I
realized that whenever either one on them had sugery foods without anything
else all hell would break loose! Now, when they want ice cream or candy
they will eat a handful of peanuts or a piece of cheese or meat first
(protein seems to be the most effective). Or we eat sweets right after a
meal. One problem I have, though, is that when they get overly hungry they
sometimes melt down (And I mean really meltdown-screaming, fighting, being
totally hysterical!). I can tell it's food related, but if I try to offer
them some juice or food, they refuse and say it's not because they're
hungry. If I can get them to drink a little juice you can watch the tension
drain from their bodies. We have discussed this a lot, but they still don't
seem to be aware of when they are heading for a crash.
BTW- They are 7 and 10
Marjorie
but with two of my three sugar on an empty stomach will lead to MAJOR
meltdowns. I first noticed it when my oldest stopped nursing through the
night, at about 2.5 . He would wake up screaming, crying or just incredibly
irritable. Within two or three minutes of drinking a cup of juice he would
be fine. It took me six months to realize that I had half an hour to feed
him, or he would crash again. As he got older, and his brother came along I
realized that whenever either one on them had sugery foods without anything
else all hell would break loose! Now, when they want ice cream or candy
they will eat a handful of peanuts or a piece of cheese or meat first
(protein seems to be the most effective). Or we eat sweets right after a
meal. One problem I have, though, is that when they get overly hungry they
sometimes melt down (And I mean really meltdown-screaming, fighting, being
totally hysterical!). I can tell it's food related, but if I try to offer
them some juice or food, they refuse and say it's not because they're
hungry. If I can get them to drink a little juice you can watch the tension
drain from their bodies. We have discussed this a lot, but they still don't
seem to be aware of when they are heading for a crash.
BTW- They are 7 and 10
Marjorie
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In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:14:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mkirk@... writes:
these times (overly hungry), I CRAVE sugar. Cameron will ask me, "Mom, have
you EATEN???"
It helps to be aware. And NOT blame the sugar!
~Kelly
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mkirk@... writes:
> One problem I have, though, is that when they get overly hungry theyMe TOO! It helps if I eat small meals often. I do better with protein. But at
> sometimes melt down (And I mean really meltdown-screaming, fighting, being
> totally hysterical!).
these times (overly hungry), I CRAVE sugar. Cameron will ask me, "Mom, have
you EATEN???"
It helps to be aware. And NOT blame the sugar!
~Kelly
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In a message dated 1/19/03 1:09:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
elfmama92104@... writes:
keep filled to the brim? Maybe letting them know that tehy have their candy
right there for whenever they want it and don't have to ask might be enough
for them to relax about getting it?
I think that kids need more sweets than adults buit I doo think that given
free reign, they will decrease their consumption.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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elfmama92104@... writes:
> ", thier words not mine so at the moment we have a bunch on hand.Have you tried Kelly's suggestion about putting it all in a big bowl that you
>
keep filled to the brim? Maybe letting them know that tehy have their candy
right there for whenever they want it and don't have to ask might be enough
for them to relax about getting it?
I think that kids need more sweets than adults buit I doo think that given
free reign, they will decrease their consumption.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
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In a message dated 1/19/2003 8:26:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Earthmomma67@... writes:
come from sugar, certainly---but that's the quickest/easiest way. (If the
parent will stay aware of eating habits, she can keep snacks available
throughout the day.) As toddlers and teens, they need more sleep and more
calories to grow. Have you ever seen a 16 year old eat? And sleep? HUGE
amounts. Because he's growing. Another huge problem with schools: teens're
given one twenty minute period to eat---all day. They should have many
opportunities to snack---and nap! Like at home! <G>
~Kelly
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Earthmomma67@... writes:
> I think that kids need more sweets than adults buit I doo think that givenI'll agree with this. They're GROWING. They need calories. It doesn't have to
> free reign, they will decrease their consumption.
come from sugar, certainly---but that's the quickest/easiest way. (If the
parent will stay aware of eating habits, she can keep snacks available
throughout the day.) As toddlers and teens, they need more sleep and more
calories to grow. Have you ever seen a 16 year old eat? And sleep? HUGE
amounts. Because he's growing. Another huge problem with schools: teens're
given one twenty minute period to eat---all day. They should have many
opportunities to snack---and nap! Like at home! <G>
~Kelly
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In a message dated 1/19/03 8:26:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Earthmomma67@... writes:
filled. Not from my boys but from me. LOL. Hope the cravings lighten up
soon. ;)
Pam G.
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Earthmomma67@... writes:
> Have you tried Kelly's suggestion about putting it all in a big bowl thatOK, this idea will take a while though. LOL. I am having trouble keeping it
> you
> keep filled to the brim? Maybe letting them know that tehy have their candy
>
> right there for whenever they want it and don't have to ask might be enough
>
> for them to relax about getting it?
>
filled. Not from my boys but from me. LOL. Hope the cravings lighten up
soon. ;)
Pam G.
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Rachel Ann
Someone on another list raised the idea that sugar cravings were connected
to need for protein. If you are always wanting sugar, perhaps what you need
to do is raise your protein intake....
be well,
Rachel Ann
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In a message dated 1/19/03 8:26:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Earthmomma67@... writes:
filled. Not from my boys but from me. LOL. Hope the cravings lighten up
soon. ;)
Pam G.
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to need for protein. If you are always wanting sugar, perhaps what you need
to do is raise your protein intake....
be well,
Rachel Ann
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Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 09:43:49
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] kids and candy, help please
In a message dated 1/19/03 8:26:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Earthmomma67@... writes:
> Have you tried Kelly's suggestion about putting it all in a big bowl thatcandy
> you
> keep filled to the brim? Maybe letting them know that tehy have their
>enough
> right there for whenever they want it and don't have to ask might be
>OK, this idea will take a while though. LOL. I am having trouble keeping it
> for them to relax about getting it?
>
filled. Not from my boys but from me. LOL. Hope the cravings lighten up
soon. ;)
Pam G.
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In a message dated 01/19/2003 8:13:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mkirk@... writes:
diabetes exhibit similar symptoms (meltdown, irrational) when their blood
sugar is bottoming out (this does not mean that your children have diabetes,
just that their blood sugar is dropping). If you observe the symptoms
earlier, it is easier to convince them of what's happening, before they
become totally irrational. Luckily Carly quickly learned the correlation
between her sudden mood changes and the need for food. She'd be crying
saying, "My blood sugar is dropping; I need some food."
With diabetics, we'd give them a combination of a quick sugar and a
slow-release sugar (fat/protein). Peanut butter and juice are mainstays at
the special needs camp I worked in. The kids and counselors were pretty
cognizant of the symptoms, but occasionally they took too long to come to us.
It was hard to convince the kids that they needed to get some sugar into
them. Once we got the quick sugar in, we always followed it with the slow
sugars.
Early intervention is the name of the game, along with combination of sugars.
Cheese cubes/yogurt are other good long-lasting sugars.
Hope this helps,
Ginny
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mkirk@... writes:
> meal. One problem I have, though, is that when they get overly hungry theyCarly responded the same way at this age. I've observed many a person with
> sometimes melt down (And I mean really meltdown-screaming, fighting, being
> totally hysterical!). I can tell it's food related, but if I try to offer
> them some juice or food, they refuse and say it's not because they're
> hungry. If I can get them to drink a little juice you can watch the
> tension
> drain from their bodies. We have discussed this a lot, but they still
> don't
> seem to be aware of when they are heading for a crash.
diabetes exhibit similar symptoms (meltdown, irrational) when their blood
sugar is bottoming out (this does not mean that your children have diabetes,
just that their blood sugar is dropping). If you observe the symptoms
earlier, it is easier to convince them of what's happening, before they
become totally irrational. Luckily Carly quickly learned the correlation
between her sudden mood changes and the need for food. She'd be crying
saying, "My blood sugar is dropping; I need some food."
With diabetics, we'd give them a combination of a quick sugar and a
slow-release sugar (fat/protein). Peanut butter and juice are mainstays at
the special needs camp I worked in. The kids and counselors were pretty
cognizant of the symptoms, but occasionally they took too long to come to us.
It was hard to convince the kids that they needed to get some sugar into
them. Once we got the quick sugar in, we always followed it with the slow
sugars.
Early intervention is the name of the game, along with combination of sugars.
Cheese cubes/yogurt are other good long-lasting sugars.
Hope this helps,
Ginny
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In a message dated 1/19/03 5:38:15 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:
<< I know there have been studies done that say sugar does NOT cause
hyperactivity. Have there been ANY done to say that it DOES???? >>
Anecdotal swearings by moms who've restricted it, that's all I've ever heard.
And direct insults to children, who were finally given candy, but laughed at
and insulted after they ate it.
Local friends do that badly. I feel for the kids.
Sandra
Sandra
<< I know there have been studies done that say sugar does NOT cause
hyperactivity. Have there been ANY done to say that it DOES???? >>
Anecdotal swearings by moms who've restricted it, that's all I've ever heard.
And direct insults to children, who were finally given candy, but laughed at
and insulted after they ate it.
Local friends do that badly. I feel for the kids.
Sandra
Sandra
rebecca delong
We haven't tried a big bowl full, small ones placed through the LR/DR, at the moment we don't have the money to get enough candy to fill a big bowl. But mabey in a few weeks we will and I'll talk to Jason about it
Do you think that a 18m. old would be able to slow down and not eat it all at once if given the chance?
Rebecca
Earthmomma67@... wrote:In a message dated 1/19/03 1:09:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
elfmama92104@... writes:
keep filled to the brim? Maybe letting them know that tehy have their candy
right there for whenever they want it and don't have to ask might be enough
for them to relax about getting it?
I think that kids need more sweets than adults buit I doo think that given
free reign, they will decrease their consumption.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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Do you think that a 18m. old would be able to slow down and not eat it all at once if given the chance?
Rebecca
Earthmomma67@... wrote:In a message dated 1/19/03 1:09:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
elfmama92104@... writes:
> ", thier words not mine so at the moment we have a bunch on hand.Have you tried Kelly's suggestion about putting it all in a big bowl that you
>
keep filled to the brim? Maybe letting them know that tehy have their candy
right there for whenever they want it and don't have to ask might be enough
for them to relax about getting it?
I think that kids need more sweets than adults buit I doo think that given
free reign, they will decrease their consumption.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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In a message dated 1/19/03 6:13:58 AM, mkirk@... writes:
<< Within two or three minutes of drinking a cup of juice he would
be fine.. . . . As he got older, and his brother came along I
realized that whenever either one on them had sugery foods without anything
else all hell would break loose! >>
Isn't juice sugar, pretty much?
<< Now, when they want ice cream or candy
they will eat a handful of peanuts or a piece of cheese or meat first
(protein seems to be the most effective). Or we eat sweets right after a
meal. One problem I have, though, is that when they get overly hungry they
sometimes melt down (And I mean really meltdown-screaming, fighting, being
totally hysterical!). >>
I'd guess it's lack of protein.
Sandra
<< Within two or three minutes of drinking a cup of juice he would
be fine.. . . . As he got older, and his brother came along I
realized that whenever either one on them had sugery foods without anything
else all hell would break loose! >>
Isn't juice sugar, pretty much?
<< Now, when they want ice cream or candy
they will eat a handful of peanuts or a piece of cheese or meat first
(protein seems to be the most effective). Or we eat sweets right after a
meal. One problem I have, though, is that when they get overly hungry they
sometimes melt down (And I mean really meltdown-screaming, fighting, being
totally hysterical!). >>
I'd guess it's lack of protein.
Sandra
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elfmama92104@... writes:
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
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Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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elfmama92104@... writes:
> Do you think that a 18m. old would be able to slow down and not eat it allI do!
> at once if given the chance?
> Rebecca
>
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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In a message dated 1/19/03 9:44:18 AM, elfmama92104@... writes:
<< We haven't tried a big bowl full, small ones placed through the LR/DR, at
the moment we don't have the money to get enough candy to fill a big bowl. >>
A little bowl would do the recommended trick.
But candy providing isn't as necessary as removing the evil view of candy.
If it's just another kind of food, kids won't desire it the same way as if it
is glorious, controlled, expensive, special *CANDY*
The point about a bottomless bowl of M&Ms wasn't the secret key to this
working. The secret is the same as unschooling. If people realize that
given freedom kids will do cool stuff, and given freedom kids will eat good
stuff by choice, then they start to trust their own and their kids'
instincts.
Still, I'm failing to come to the clear point, but I'm still trying.
Sandra
<< We haven't tried a big bowl full, small ones placed through the LR/DR, at
the moment we don't have the money to get enough candy to fill a big bowl. >>
A little bowl would do the recommended trick.
But candy providing isn't as necessary as removing the evil view of candy.
If it's just another kind of food, kids won't desire it the same way as if it
is glorious, controlled, expensive, special *CANDY*
The point about a bottomless bowl of M&Ms wasn't the secret key to this
working. The secret is the same as unschooling. If people realize that
given freedom kids will do cool stuff, and given freedom kids will eat good
stuff by choice, then they start to trust their own and their kids'
instincts.
Still, I'm failing to come to the clear point, but I'm still trying.
Sandra
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In a message dated 1/19/03 10:02:36 AM, Earthmomma67@... writes:
<< > Do you think that a 18m. old would be able to slow down and not eat it
all
I don't remember giving babies candy at all.
If there are older kids in the house, maybe they'll end up with some, but
they'll probably be just as happy or happier with other finger-foods.
Crackers and cheese.
I wouldn't put unlimited candy where babies could get it, but I wouldn't take
candy away and use it as a reward for eating meat or vegetables, either.
We didn't do dessert here, and I think that's a BIG part of why the kids
aren't sweets hounds. They were never, ever trained to think that sweet food
was the paycheck for eathing things they didn't really like much. We never
made them eat anything, and never shamed them out of eating anything, so
their choices are real (can't think of a better word. Honest? Natural?
none are it).
Kids can come to that without it having been a longterm thing, same as with
unschooling. But it takes a while, and the better the parents are at
explaining why and at being confident, the sooner and the better it will
probably work.
Sandra
<< > Do you think that a 18m. old would be able to slow down and not eat it
all
> at once if given the chance?I do! >>
> Rebecca
>
I don't remember giving babies candy at all.
If there are older kids in the house, maybe they'll end up with some, but
they'll probably be just as happy or happier with other finger-foods.
Crackers and cheese.
I wouldn't put unlimited candy where babies could get it, but I wouldn't take
candy away and use it as a reward for eating meat or vegetables, either.
We didn't do dessert here, and I think that's a BIG part of why the kids
aren't sweets hounds. They were never, ever trained to think that sweet food
was the paycheck for eathing things they didn't really like much. We never
made them eat anything, and never shamed them out of eating anything, so
their choices are real (can't think of a better word. Honest? Natural?
none are it).
Kids can come to that without it having been a longterm thing, same as with
unschooling. But it takes a while, and the better the parents are at
explaining why and at being confident, the sooner and the better it will
probably work.
Sandra
rebecca delong
I'm understanding, really I am. So, after my last post and talking to my dad Jason and I brought the candy out of the cubboard and put in in a bowl and put it on the coffee table, the kids were in the other room when we did it, we also put out a bowl of trail mix, my fave, and a bowl of pretzels, Jasons fave, the kids came running through the LR and saw the candy sitting there, eyed it and asked if they could have some, Jason smiled and said, 'go ahead, it's sitting there, no need to ask' and went back to reading and munching on pretzles, snagging a candy here and there. Jaiden said "cool" and ran off to go build something, Avery said "ool" snaged an m&m and a peanut and ran off to knock down what ever it was that Jaiden is building, threre fave game at the moment.
So, I know that it's a start and I'm trying real hard to let go of stuff, but its only been a few hours and I'm sure that it's gonna stay with me for a while. Baby steps, right?
Rebecca
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/19/03 9:44:18 AM, elfmama92104@... writes:
<< We haven't tried a big bowl full, small ones placed through the LR/DR, at
the moment we don't have the money to get enough candy to fill a big bowl. >>
A little bowl would do the recommended trick.
But candy providing isn't as necessary as removing the evil view of candy.
If it's just another kind of food, kids won't desire it the same way as if it
is glorious, controlled, expensive, special *CANDY*
The point about a bottomless bowl of M&Ms wasn't the secret key to this
working. The secret is the same as unschooling. If people realize that
given freedom kids will do cool stuff, and given freedom kids will eat good
stuff by choice, then they start to trust their own and their kids'
instincts.
Still, I'm failing to come to the clear point, but I'm still trying.
Sandra
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So, I know that it's a start and I'm trying real hard to let go of stuff, but its only been a few hours and I'm sure that it's gonna stay with me for a while. Baby steps, right?
Rebecca
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 1/19/03 9:44:18 AM, elfmama92104@... writes:
<< We haven't tried a big bowl full, small ones placed through the LR/DR, at
the moment we don't have the money to get enough candy to fill a big bowl. >>
A little bowl would do the recommended trick.
But candy providing isn't as necessary as removing the evil view of candy.
If it's just another kind of food, kids won't desire it the same way as if it
is glorious, controlled, expensive, special *CANDY*
The point about a bottomless bowl of M&Ms wasn't the secret key to this
working. The secret is the same as unschooling. If people realize that
given freedom kids will do cool stuff, and given freedom kids will eat good
stuff by choice, then they start to trust their own and their kids'
instincts.
Still, I'm failing to come to the clear point, but I'm still trying.
Sandra
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Marjorie Kirk
Ginny wrote:
to stop the meltdown, because it gets to the bloodstream quickest, then
follow up with protein and/or complex carbs.
Marjorie
> With diabetics, we'd give them a combination of a quick sugar and aus.
> slow-release sugar (fat/protein). Peanut butter and juice are mainstays at
> the special needs camp I worked in. The kids and counselors were pretty
> cognizant of the symptoms, but occasionally they took too long to come to
> It was hard to convince the kids that they needed to get some sugar intoThat's exactly what I found by trial and error: Juice or pop works quickest
> them. Once we got the quick sugar in, we always followed it with the slow
> sugars.
>
to stop the meltdown, because it gets to the bloodstream quickest, then
follow up with protein and/or complex carbs.
Marjorie