Re: Influences /it's not really about pokemon
Thad Martin
Corinna wrote:
To everyone who slammed Karol You really oughta be ashamed of yourselves.
did i miss some e mail? i only remember comments about the letter.
personally i'm never ashamed i just learn from my mistakes. could you point
out what exactly people should be 'ashamed' of?
"Read, and decide for yourselves what you think."
and that's exactly what people did and they passed their opinions on to the
group. sorry if it wasn't as 'pretty' and polite as you would like but to
'slam' others for 'slamming' seems abit odd, to me it would be interesting if
you discussed the letter (as i feel other have been doing- unless i missed
something) rather than 'defend' someone who is really not being attacked. i
feel that everyone has a right to express themselves like someone said hit the
delete- everyone has one.
there is nothing wrong with people disagreeing, to me differences of opinion
are critical for a healthy community - just think how boring life would be if
we all agreed:) also i do not recall any personal comments against karol
just opinion stated about the letter- and again this has virtually nothing to
do with pokemon but is about the judgmental, aggressive, and exclusive tone of
the letter which karol merely passed on - she did not write. now she knows
what a number of people think. maybe a different take on the letter will
prove to be interesting. i know if i sent something i personally would enjoy
a different take hence 'do on to others as you would have done on to you'.
we read it and some of us decided the position and argument was seriously
flawed - that does not mean anyone is or is not endorsing pokemon. in fact i
believe those of us who did have negative interpretation of the letter stated
that the problem we saw with pokemon was the commercialism - hardly glowing
support. and i don't remember anyone suggesting that karol no longer
participate - it would be silly to do that, just that the topic was not
appropriate and to be fair the letter has a 'fire and brimstone' preaching
tone which is not exactly what this group is about.
She's not force-feeding anyone anything. Maybe you personally didn't
appreciate her post, but some of us did.
nor is anyone forcing you, karol or anyone to read our comments, if you
found something good in the letter hold on to it and pass it on if you are so
moved, each individual voice is important.
Speak for yourself and yourself only. You are one among many.
did someone speak for the whole group or did they express what they felt the
group was about?
How does it look when we, as homeschoolers, can't even get along amongst
ourselves? United we stand, divided we fall.
the iroquios have a saying 'unity through diversity' so why can't our
diversity be accessible? what's wrong with just commenting on a topic without
it being taken as a personal attack? to me this is real strength. why is it
that feedback can't be accepted if it's perceived as 'bad'? i, for myself,
learn a lot from failures, different points of view etc. and i thought that's
what this is about-a forum to express ourselves and to hear other perspectives
within the context of unschooling. i don't feel the spirit of this has been
lost and would encourage more people to introduce concepts that they find
intriguing and ask other members for their take on it.
God Bless. (If that offends anyone, TOUGH!)
how could your personal beliefs be offensive? that would only happen it you
tried to force me to believe what you believe. may you find some peace and
compassion good luck to you
-susan
austin,tx
To everyone who slammed Karol You really oughta be ashamed of yourselves.
did i miss some e mail? i only remember comments about the letter.
personally i'm never ashamed i just learn from my mistakes. could you point
out what exactly people should be 'ashamed' of?
"Read, and decide for yourselves what you think."
and that's exactly what people did and they passed their opinions on to the
group. sorry if it wasn't as 'pretty' and polite as you would like but to
'slam' others for 'slamming' seems abit odd, to me it would be interesting if
you discussed the letter (as i feel other have been doing- unless i missed
something) rather than 'defend' someone who is really not being attacked. i
feel that everyone has a right to express themselves like someone said hit the
delete- everyone has one.
there is nothing wrong with people disagreeing, to me differences of opinion
are critical for a healthy community - just think how boring life would be if
we all agreed:) also i do not recall any personal comments against karol
just opinion stated about the letter- and again this has virtually nothing to
do with pokemon but is about the judgmental, aggressive, and exclusive tone of
the letter which karol merely passed on - she did not write. now she knows
what a number of people think. maybe a different take on the letter will
prove to be interesting. i know if i sent something i personally would enjoy
a different take hence 'do on to others as you would have done on to you'.
we read it and some of us decided the position and argument was seriously
flawed - that does not mean anyone is or is not endorsing pokemon. in fact i
believe those of us who did have negative interpretation of the letter stated
that the problem we saw with pokemon was the commercialism - hardly glowing
support. and i don't remember anyone suggesting that karol no longer
participate - it would be silly to do that, just that the topic was not
appropriate and to be fair the letter has a 'fire and brimstone' preaching
tone which is not exactly what this group is about.
She's not force-feeding anyone anything. Maybe you personally didn't
appreciate her post, but some of us did.
nor is anyone forcing you, karol or anyone to read our comments, if you
found something good in the letter hold on to it and pass it on if you are so
moved, each individual voice is important.
Speak for yourself and yourself only. You are one among many.
did someone speak for the whole group or did they express what they felt the
group was about?
How does it look when we, as homeschoolers, can't even get along amongst
ourselves? United we stand, divided we fall.
the iroquios have a saying 'unity through diversity' so why can't our
diversity be accessible? what's wrong with just commenting on a topic without
it being taken as a personal attack? to me this is real strength. why is it
that feedback can't be accepted if it's perceived as 'bad'? i, for myself,
learn a lot from failures, different points of view etc. and i thought that's
what this is about-a forum to express ourselves and to hear other perspectives
within the context of unschooling. i don't feel the spirit of this has been
lost and would encourage more people to introduce concepts that they find
intriguing and ask other members for their take on it.
God Bless. (If that offends anyone, TOUGH!)
how could your personal beliefs be offensive? that would only happen it you
tried to force me to believe what you believe. may you find some peace and
compassion good luck to you
-susan
austin,tx
Brynn Panchot
Thank you Susan! I couldn't agree more. Wonderful email.
Brynn
-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Martin [mailto:tmartin@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 2:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Influences /it's not really about
pokemon
Corinna wrote:
To everyone who slammed Karol You really oughta be ashamed of
yourselves.
did i miss some e mail? i only remember comments about the letter.
personally i'm never ashamed i just learn from my mistakes. could you point
out what exactly people should be 'ashamed' of?
"Read, and decide for yourselves what you think."
and that's exactly what people did and they passed their opinions on to
the group. sorry if it wasn't as 'pretty' and polite as you would like but
to 'slam' others for 'slamming' seems abit odd, to me it would be
interesting if you discussed the letter (as i feel other have been doing-
unless i missed something) rather than 'defend' someone who is really not
being attacked. i feel that everyone has a right to express themselves
like someone said hit the delete- everyone has one.
there is nothing wrong with people disagreeing, to me differences of
opinion are critical for a healthy community - just think how boring life
would be if we all agreed:) also i do not recall any personal comments
against karol just opinion stated about the letter- and again this has
virtually nothing to do with pokemon but is about the judgmental,
aggressive, and exclusive tone of the letter which karol merely passed on -
she did not write. now she knows what a number of people think. maybe a
different take on the letter will prove to be interesting. i know if i
sent something i personally would enjoy a different take hence 'do on to
others as you would have done on to you'. we read it and some of us
decided the position and argument was seriously flawed - that does not mean
anyone is or is not endorsing pokemon. in fact i believe those of us who
did have negative interpretation of the letter stated that the problem we
saw with pokemon was the commercialism - hardly glowing support. and i
don't remember anyone suggesting that karol no longer participate - it
would be silly to do that, just that the topic was not appropriate and to
be fair the letter has a 'fire and brimstone' preaching tone which is not
exactly what this group is about.
She's not force-feeding anyone anything. Maybe you personally didn't
appreciate her post, but some of us did.
nor is anyone forcing you, karol or anyone to read our comments, if you
found something good in the letter hold on to it and pass it on if you are
so moved, each individual voice is important.
Speak for yourself and yourself only. You are one among many.
did someone speak for the whole group or did they express what they felt
the group was about?
How does it look when we, as homeschoolers, can't even get along amongst
ourselves? United we stand, divided we fall.
the iroquios have a saying 'unity through diversity' so why can't our
diversity be accessible? what's wrong with just commenting on a topic
without it being taken as a personal attack? to me this is real strength.
why is it that feedback can't be accepted if it's perceived as 'bad'? i,
for myself, learn a lot from failures, different points of view etc. and i
thought that's what this is about-a forum to express ourselves and to hear
other perspectives within the context of unschooling. i don't feel the
spirit of this has been lost and would encourage more people to introduce
concepts that they find intriguing and ask other members for their take on
it.
God Bless. (If that offends anyone, TOUGH!)
how could your personal beliefs be offensive? that would only happen it
you tried to force me to believe what you believe. may you find some peace
and compassion good luck to you
-susan
austin,tx
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-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Martin [mailto:tmartin@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 2:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Influences /it's not really about
pokemon
Corinna wrote:
To everyone who slammed Karol You really oughta be ashamed of
yourselves.
did i miss some e mail? i only remember comments about the letter.
personally i'm never ashamed i just learn from my mistakes. could you point
out what exactly people should be 'ashamed' of?
"Read, and decide for yourselves what you think."
and that's exactly what people did and they passed their opinions on to
the group. sorry if it wasn't as 'pretty' and polite as you would like but
to 'slam' others for 'slamming' seems abit odd, to me it would be
interesting if you discussed the letter (as i feel other have been doing-
unless i missed something) rather than 'defend' someone who is really not
being attacked. i feel that everyone has a right to express themselves
like someone said hit the delete- everyone has one.
there is nothing wrong with people disagreeing, to me differences of
opinion are critical for a healthy community - just think how boring life
would be if we all agreed:) also i do not recall any personal comments
against karol just opinion stated about the letter- and again this has
virtually nothing to do with pokemon but is about the judgmental,
aggressive, and exclusive tone of the letter which karol merely passed on -
she did not write. now she knows what a number of people think. maybe a
different take on the letter will prove to be interesting. i know if i
sent something i personally would enjoy a different take hence 'do on to
others as you would have done on to you'. we read it and some of us
decided the position and argument was seriously flawed - that does not mean
anyone is or is not endorsing pokemon. in fact i believe those of us who
did have negative interpretation of the letter stated that the problem we
saw with pokemon was the commercialism - hardly glowing support. and i
don't remember anyone suggesting that karol no longer participate - it
would be silly to do that, just that the topic was not appropriate and to
be fair the letter has a 'fire and brimstone' preaching tone which is not
exactly what this group is about.
She's not force-feeding anyone anything. Maybe you personally didn't
appreciate her post, but some of us did.
nor is anyone forcing you, karol or anyone to read our comments, if you
found something good in the letter hold on to it and pass it on if you are
so moved, each individual voice is important.
Speak for yourself and yourself only. You are one among many.
did someone speak for the whole group or did they express what they felt
the group was about?
How does it look when we, as homeschoolers, can't even get along amongst
ourselves? United we stand, divided we fall.
the iroquios have a saying 'unity through diversity' so why can't our
diversity be accessible? what's wrong with just commenting on a topic
without it being taken as a personal attack? to me this is real strength.
why is it that feedback can't be accepted if it's perceived as 'bad'? i,
for myself, learn a lot from failures, different points of view etc. and i
thought that's what this is about-a forum to express ourselves and to hear
other perspectives within the context of unschooling. i don't feel the
spirit of this has been lost and would encourage more people to introduce
concepts that they find intriguing and ask other members for their take on
it.
God Bless. (If that offends anyone, TOUGH!)
how could your personal beliefs be offensive? that would only happen it
you tried to force me to believe what you believe. may you find some peace
and compassion good luck to you
-susan
austin,tx
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At 11:21 AM 01/06/2000 -0800, you wrote:
Corinna Wrote "How does it look when we, as homeschoolers, can't even get
along amongst ourselves? United we stand, divided we fall."
and Susan:
"the iroquios have a saying 'unity through diversity' so why can't our
diversity be accessible? what's wrong with just commenting on a topic
without it being taken as a personal attack? to me this is real strength."
How does it look to whom? Frankly it's insulting to be told to sit down
and be quiet because we are rocking the boat, or some such notion. Who
cares what we "Look Like"? I thought we were among friends. Or is there a
discretionary committee of judgemental, superficial 'old women' peeping
through the curtains at us who are going to gossip to the neighbors?
The initial address of the letter in question "As Christian
Parents/Grandparents.." does, as someone else already mentioned, completely
lump everyone together on this list as Christian. I take exception to that,
not being Christian, as do a number of other list members. As others have
mentioned, this is an INCLUSIVE list. There are plenty of lists out there
that are slanted towards particular religious views, and in particular a
large number of Christian Homeschooling lists. I would like to see this
list remain open and welcoming to those of all faiths.
Nanci K.
> Thank you Susan! I couldn't agree more. Wonderful email. BrynnI have to second that. I wanted to add a couple of comments also.
Corinna Wrote "How does it look when we, as homeschoolers, can't even get
along amongst ourselves? United we stand, divided we fall."
and Susan:
"the iroquios have a saying 'unity through diversity' so why can't our
diversity be accessible? what's wrong with just commenting on a topic
without it being taken as a personal attack? to me this is real strength."
How does it look to whom? Frankly it's insulting to be told to sit down
and be quiet because we are rocking the boat, or some such notion. Who
cares what we "Look Like"? I thought we were among friends. Or is there a
discretionary committee of judgemental, superficial 'old women' peeping
through the curtains at us who are going to gossip to the neighbors?
The initial address of the letter in question "As Christian
Parents/Grandparents.." does, as someone else already mentioned, completely
lump everyone together on this list as Christian. I take exception to that,
not being Christian, as do a number of other list members. As others have
mentioned, this is an INCLUSIVE list. There are plenty of lists out there
that are slanted towards particular religious views, and in particular a
large number of Christian Homeschooling lists. I would like to see this
list remain open and welcoming to those of all faiths.
Nanci K.