Re: abortion
Tim and Suzy Landreth
<Because when people tell others that having an abortion it is the same as
murdering their child, there CAN't be peaceful, calm discussion.>
You are absolutely correct. And I was trying to get the last word in. AND
I am not capable of having a peaceful, calm discussion on the topic. If it
is not murder, then what is it?
Suzy
murdering their child, there CAN't be peaceful, calm discussion.>
You are absolutely correct. And I was trying to get the last word in. AND
I am not capable of having a peaceful, calm discussion on the topic. If it
is not murder, then what is it?
Suzy
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In a message dated 1/13/03 9:41:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tlandreth@... writes:
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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tlandreth@... writes:
> . If itUnless it is your abortion, it's none of your business.
> is not murder, then what is it?
>
> Suzy
>
>
>
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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Vicki A. Dennis
What a reasonable, truthful, accurate reply! I must definitely remember it for future explanations.
vicki
vicki
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From: Earthmomma67@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: abortion
Unless it is your abortion, it's none of your business.
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stfrances12 <[email protected]>
> Unless it is your abortion, it's none of your business.Yep, it's just between you and your dead baby.
As I had stated before, if you've been involved with an abortion,
it's impossible to not be passionate one way or another. For
instance, I support M.A.D.D. (Mother's Against Drunk Drivers.) But,
not having a loved one killed by a drunk, I'm not *passionate* about
it.
MANY, stanch pro-abortionists have had an abortion, thus their
passion to support what they've done. If you are still hurting from
involvement with an abortion, I urge you to contact Project Rachel, a
free counseling service at 1-800-964-3787. There is healing.
Suzy
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/13/03 11:19:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tlandreth@... writes:
own guilt and dont project it onto others. Its an ineffective ( and
offensive) way of sharing your opinion
Teresa
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tlandreth@... writes:
> MANY, stanch pro-abortionists have had an abortion, thus theirSo, you are obviously operating from a guilt driven mode. Deal with your
> passion to support what they've done.
own guilt and dont project it onto others. Its an ineffective ( and
offensive) way of sharing your opinion
Teresa
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Pam Hartley
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good will obviously come from the nice, respectful tone. It was silly of me
to be worried it might fall rapidly into insults and hysteria.
Pam
>From: [email protected]Gosh, I'm so glad we started this discussion. It's so elevating, and so much
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 2858
>Date: Mon, Jan 13, 2003, 8:22 AM
>
>> Unless it is your abortion, it's none of your business.
>
> Yep, it's just between you and your dead baby.
good will obviously come from the nice, respectful tone. It was silly of me
to be worried it might fall rapidly into insults and hysteria.
Pam
Fetteroll
> Gosh, I'm so glad we started this discussion. It's so elevating, and so muchBoy, I was way too trusting, wasn't I?
> good will obviously come from the nice, respectful tone. It was silly of me to
> be worried it might fall rapidly into insults and hysteria.
>
As others more cynical knew it went no where and did nothing but spew angry
words all over the place.
Talk about unschooling.
Joyce Unschooling-dotcom moderator
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In a message dated 1/13/03 11:19:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tlandreth@... writes:
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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tlandreth@... writes:
>What a hateful person you are.
> Yep, it's just between you and your dead baby.
>
> As I had stated before, if you've been involved with an abortion,
> it's impossible to not be passionate one way or another. For
> instance, I support M.A.D.D. (Mother's Against Drunk Drivers.) But,
> not having a loved one killed by a drunk, I'm not *passionate* about
> it.
>
> MANY, stanch pro-abortionists have had an abortion, thus their
> passion to support what they've done. If you are still hurting from
> involvement with an abortion, I urge you to contact Project Rachel, a
> free counseling service at 1-800-964-3787. There is healing.
>
> Suzy
>
>
>
>
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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Rachel Ann
Can't it be its own issue? According to Jewish Law it is not murder, but
it is akin to murder; it is allowable when the health of the mother would be
severely compromised, and I'm not certain there is an actual choice about it
(according to Jewish law.). This is, of course, if you are Jewish. Women,
who have sought out their Rabbi's for permission, have received the right to
an abortion for myriad of reasons, which are based on the person. Everyone
is unique.
I can see helping someone make an alternate choice, but to do so I must
really be willing to find them other solutions for the reason they are
seeking the abortion and be willing to step aside respectfully if they deem
my help inadequate to meet their needs, and choose something else, including
abortion. I don't think most people like abortions; it is a matter, for
most who make the choice of needs. Of the women I know who have had them,
they do not regret; they may wish circumstances were different so they could
have gone on to have the baby, but they do not regret.
I can not see the logic of abortion being equivalent to murder from
conception on, or every woman who has an early natural abortion has had
someone die. Do we bury the remains of our cycle, because perhaps there is
a conception in there? The chances that a woman has had an extremely early
miscarriage are quite high...I don't remember the statistics on it....as far
as I know I have not, but then have you ever had a late period? One heavy
than normal?
My child and my unborn child are different in an emotional, and I feel legal
sense. I guess I see it this way; were I drowning, and my child drowning,
and a choice must be made, please save my child. Even if I'm pregnant. Even
if the baby is about to be born. The child I have held, nursed, and loved
is the one whose rights take precedence.....
be well,
Rachel Ann
-------Original Message-------
From: [email protected]
Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 09:39:54
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: abortion
<Because when people tell others that having an abortion it is the same as
murdering their child, there CAN't be peaceful, calm discussion.>
You are absolutely correct. And I was trying to get the last word in. AND
I am not capable of having a peaceful, calm discussion on the topic. If it
is not murder, then what is it?
Suzy
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it is akin to murder; it is allowable when the health of the mother would be
severely compromised, and I'm not certain there is an actual choice about it
(according to Jewish law.). This is, of course, if you are Jewish. Women,
who have sought out their Rabbi's for permission, have received the right to
an abortion for myriad of reasons, which are based on the person. Everyone
is unique.
I can see helping someone make an alternate choice, but to do so I must
really be willing to find them other solutions for the reason they are
seeking the abortion and be willing to step aside respectfully if they deem
my help inadequate to meet their needs, and choose something else, including
abortion. I don't think most people like abortions; it is a matter, for
most who make the choice of needs. Of the women I know who have had them,
they do not regret; they may wish circumstances were different so they could
have gone on to have the baby, but they do not regret.
I can not see the logic of abortion being equivalent to murder from
conception on, or every woman who has an early natural abortion has had
someone die. Do we bury the remains of our cycle, because perhaps there is
a conception in there? The chances that a woman has had an extremely early
miscarriage are quite high...I don't remember the statistics on it....as far
as I know I have not, but then have you ever had a late period? One heavy
than normal?
My child and my unborn child are different in an emotional, and I feel legal
sense. I guess I see it this way; were I drowning, and my child drowning,
and a choice must be made, please save my child. Even if I'm pregnant. Even
if the baby is about to be born. The child I have held, nursed, and loved
is the one whose rights take precedence.....
be well,
Rachel Ann
-------Original Message-------
From: [email protected]
Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 09:39:54
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: abortion
<Because when people tell others that having an abortion it is the same as
murdering their child, there CAN't be peaceful, calm discussion.>
You are absolutely correct. And I was trying to get the last word in. AND
I am not capable of having a peaceful, calm discussion on the topic. If it
is not murder, then what is it?
Suzy
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In a message dated 1/13/03 9:19:30 AM, tlandreth@... writes:
<< MANY, stanch pro-abortionists have had an abortion, thus their
passion to support what they've done. >>
Some have had no abortions whatsoever.
Will you please stop the abortion discussion?
<<If you are still hurting from
involvement with an abortion, I urge you to contact Project Rachel, a
free counseling service at 1-800-964-3787. There is healing. >>
Here I repeated it so your last word can come twice. Now I hope it will BE
your last word.
Sandra
<< MANY, stanch pro-abortionists have had an abortion, thus their
passion to support what they've done. >>
Some have had no abortions whatsoever.
Will you please stop the abortion discussion?
<<If you are still hurting from
involvement with an abortion, I urge you to contact Project Rachel, a
free counseling service at 1-800-964-3787. There is healing. >>
Here I repeated it so your last word can come twice. Now I hope it will BE
your last word.
Sandra
Mary Bianco
>From: Pam Hartley <pamhartley@...><<Gosh, I'm so glad we started this discussion. It's so elevating, and so
much good will obviously come from the nice, respectful tone. It was silly
of me to be worried it might fall rapidly into insults and hysteria.>>
And to think I actually thought we could discuss this without nastiness.
Silly old bear!
Mary B
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<< MANY, stanch pro-abortionists have had an abortion, thus their
passion to support what they've done. >>
I wonder if you are misinterpreting something here. Some people don't defend abortion per se, but the CHOICE of women to abort or not, and they don't need to have had one to want to defend that choice. Two different issues.
I may not agree with abortion myself, but I do support the fact that women should have the right to choose, according to their specific situation and perception of the issue.
Yol
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passion to support what they've done. >>
I wonder if you are misinterpreting something here. Some people don't defend abortion per se, but the CHOICE of women to abort or not, and they don't need to have had one to want to defend that choice. Two different issues.
I may not agree with abortion myself, but I do support the fact that women should have the right to choose, according to their specific situation and perception of the issue.
Yol
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Blue Lotus Therapeutics -
Ayurveda, Homeopathy, Yoga & Therapeutic Massage
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Dhyanyoga Center of NC -
Meditation - Kundalini Maha Yoga
http://www.dyc-nc.org
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When nothing is done, nothing is left undone. The world is ruled by
letting things take their course. It cannot be ruled by interfering.
-- Tao Te Ching
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