Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Naked People
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:12:43 EST grlynbl@... writes:
It may be just skin to you, or me, but it is more than that to a child
molester. Do you know any child molesters? If you knew a child molester
lived directly next door to you and could see your back yard from his
bedroom window, would you still allow your children to run around nude?
My point is, you just never know, and it's not that uncommon. I don't
think anyone insinuated that a 10yr old girl running around nude was
trying to solicit child molesters. But on the other hand, would you set a
drink down in front of an alcoholic who gets violent when he drinks? Or
give a rapist the keys to your apartment? It is just common sense to not
want to aid this kind of behavior. After a crime of this magnitude is
committed, it doesn't matter much who's to blame, does it. Only that the
crime happened in the first place.
Wende
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> Yeah.. a 10 yr girl running around without a shirt is NOT trying tois, its just skin.
> solicit child molesters...... Like I said before, the bottom line
It may be just skin to you, or me, but it is more than that to a child
molester. Do you know any child molesters? If you knew a child molester
lived directly next door to you and could see your back yard from his
bedroom window, would you still allow your children to run around nude?
My point is, you just never know, and it's not that uncommon. I don't
think anyone insinuated that a 10yr old girl running around nude was
trying to solicit child molesters. But on the other hand, would you set a
drink down in front of an alcoholic who gets violent when he drinks? Or
give a rapist the keys to your apartment? It is just common sense to not
want to aid this kind of behavior. After a crime of this magnitude is
committed, it doesn't matter much who's to blame, does it. Only that the
crime happened in the first place.
Wende
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marji
At 17:05 1/12/03 -0500, Wende wrote:
exhibit sociopathic behavior regardless of what we do or do not do to
protect ourselves. I, for one, choose not to operate in fear-mode. It has
been very important to me to give my son the freedom to enjoy the freedoms
of childhood without having to fear others or feel shame about his
body. In fact, I think that our society's discomfort with nudity has a lot
more to do with shame about our bodies than fear of child molestation
anyway, although there may be an overlap there to some extent. I don't
really know.
Marji
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>It may be just skin to you, or me, but it is more than that to a childHowever, as someone pointed out earlier, sociopathic people are going to
>molester. Do you know any child molesters? If you knew a child molester
>lived directly next door to you and could see your back yard from his
>bedroom window, would you still allow your children to run around
>nude? My point is, you just never know, and it's not that uncommon....
exhibit sociopathic behavior regardless of what we do or do not do to
protect ourselves. I, for one, choose not to operate in fear-mode. It has
been very important to me to give my son the freedom to enjoy the freedoms
of childhood without having to fear others or feel shame about his
body. In fact, I think that our society's discomfort with nudity has a lot
more to do with shame about our bodies than fear of child molestation
anyway, although there may be an overlap there to some extent. I don't
really know.
Marji
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In a message dated 1/12/03 3:10:22 PM, love-it-here@... writes:
<< After a crime of this magnitude is
committed, it doesn't matter much who's to blame, does it. >>
Yes.
If both are "to blame," there wasn't much of a crime.
"Let's not argue about who killed who..." (a Monty Python & the Holy Grail
quote...)
I have discussed with Holly that some males are not used to being around
women or girls, and some are not very nice guys, so there are some places and
times she needs to be more careful what she's wearing, and that some people
will think if she's wearing make-up that she's not a very nice girl.
But...
She IS is very nice girl.
And the people who will think that are fundamentalist Christians.
I didn't tell her that part.
And I'm not going to tell her that it's HER fault if she becomes the victim
of a crime. Neither will I encourage her to flaunt or to disregard safety
and caution.
Somewhere along in there, each person has a threshhold over which he or she
is not comfortable. We'll never all agree on it. Kids played naked in our
back yard (not easily visible from neighbors, but possibly visible by fence
peeking) until they were five or six, large mixed groups. Commonly, all
summer. Some families would NEVER have allowed it. Our babysitting co-op
was a kind of nudist colony for little kids in those days.
Sandra
<< After a crime of this magnitude is
committed, it doesn't matter much who's to blame, does it. >>
Yes.
If both are "to blame," there wasn't much of a crime.
"Let's not argue about who killed who..." (a Monty Python & the Holy Grail
quote...)
I have discussed with Holly that some males are not used to being around
women or girls, and some are not very nice guys, so there are some places and
times she needs to be more careful what she's wearing, and that some people
will think if she's wearing make-up that she's not a very nice girl.
But...
She IS is very nice girl.
And the people who will think that are fundamentalist Christians.
I didn't tell her that part.
And I'm not going to tell her that it's HER fault if she becomes the victim
of a crime. Neither will I encourage her to flaunt or to disregard safety
and caution.
Somewhere along in there, each person has a threshhold over which he or she
is not comfortable. We'll never all agree on it. Kids played naked in our
back yard (not easily visible from neighbors, but possibly visible by fence
peeking) until they were five or six, large mixed groups. Commonly, all
summer. Some families would NEVER have allowed it. Our babysitting co-op
was a kind of nudist colony for little kids in those days.
Sandra
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:45:53 EST SandraDodd@... writes:
for the perpetration of the crime. I don't believe a child or woman ever
"asks" to be attacked, or is to be blamed for such a crime.
very nice
anything but a nice girl. Has a Christian actually told you she was not
because she wore makeup? Sad if that is so.
or six, large mixed >groups. Commonly, all summer. Some families
would NEVER have allowed >it. Our babysitting co-op was a kind of
nudist colony for little kids in those >days.
Our yard can only be seen with the use of powerful binoculars, or by
aircraft.
My 3yo is a little nudie who prefers to run and play without clothes. My
5yo usually prefers clothes. It is up to them, when they are out of
public view. I think one of the original posts was regarding nude
children in public places, or places the public can easily see. I don't
see this as the wisest thing to do.
Wende
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> Yes.I meant blamed in societies eyes, or the juries. Not who was responsible
> If both are "to blame," there wasn't much of a crime.
for the perpetration of the crime. I don't believe a child or woman ever
"asks" to be attacked, or is to be blamed for such a crime.
> I have discussed with Holly that some males are not used to beingsome
> around women or girls, and some are not very nice guys, so there are
> places and times she needs to be more careful what she's wearing, andthat some people will think if she's wearing makeup that she's not a
very nice
> girl.I'm a Christian and have absolutely no reason to believe that she is
>
> But...
> She IS is very nice girl.
> And the people who will think that are fundamentalist Christians.
anything but a nice girl. Has a Christian actually told you she was not
because she wore makeup? Sad if that is so.
> Kids played naked in our back yard (not easily visible fromneighbors, but >possibly visible by fence peeking) until they were five
or six, large mixed >groups. Commonly, all summer. Some families
would NEVER have allowed >it. Our babysitting co-op was a kind of
nudist colony for little kids in those >days.
Our yard can only be seen with the use of powerful binoculars, or by
aircraft.
My 3yo is a little nudie who prefers to run and play without clothes. My
5yo usually prefers clothes. It is up to them, when they are out of
public view. I think one of the original posts was regarding nude
children in public places, or places the public can easily see. I don't
see this as the wisest thing to do.
Wende
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Rachel Ann
If I knew a child molester lived near me...I'd move. These people don't
care. They rip children out of houses, and off the street. They play uncle
more than cruise...If I knew and couldn't get him/her out of the area, I
would do my damndest to leave.
be well,
Rachel Ann
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 17:08:55
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Naked People
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:12:43 EST grlynbl@... writes:
It may be just skin to you, or me, but it is more than that to a child
molester. Do you know any child molesters? If you knew a child molester
lived directly next door to you and could see your back yard from his
bedroom window, would you still allow your children to run around nude?
My point is, you just never know, and it's not that uncommon. I don't
think anyone insinuated that a 10yr old girl running around nude was
trying to solicit child molesters. But on the other hand, would you set a
drink down in front of an alcoholic who gets violent when he drinks? Or
give a rapist the keys to your apartment? It is just common sense to not
want to aid this kind of behavior. After a crime of this magnitude is
committed, it doesn't matter much who's to blame, does it. Only that the
crime happened in the first place.
Wende
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care. They rip children out of houses, and off the street. They play uncle
more than cruise...If I knew and couldn't get him/her out of the area, I
would do my damndest to leave.
be well,
Rachel Ann
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, January 12, 2003 17:08:55
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Naked People
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:12:43 EST grlynbl@... writes:
> Yeah.. a 10 yr girl running around without a shirt is NOT trying tois, its just skin.
> solicit child molesters...... Like I said before, the bottom line
It may be just skin to you, or me, but it is more than that to a child
molester. Do you know any child molesters? If you knew a child molester
lived directly next door to you and could see your back yard from his
bedroom window, would you still allow your children to run around nude?
My point is, you just never know, and it's not that uncommon. I don't
think anyone insinuated that a 10yr old girl running around nude was
trying to solicit child molesters. But on the other hand, would you set a
drink down in front of an alcoholic who gets violent when he drinks? Or
give a rapist the keys to your apartment? It is just common sense to not
want to aid this kind of behavior. After a crime of this magnitude is
committed, it doesn't matter much who's to blame, does it. Only that the
crime happened in the first place.
Wende
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In a message dated 1/12/03 6:06:27 PM, love-it-here@... writes:
<< Has a Christian actually told you she was not
because she wore makeup? Sad if that is so. >>
Told me about Holly?
No.
Told me about women in general, LOTS.
And about me? (Not that I wear makeup...) Yes.
You don't mean really to pretend there are not millions of Christians who
consider make-up a sin, and sinful girls to be asking for it, do you?
<<I think one of the original posts was regarding nude
children in public places, or places the public can easily see. I don't
see this as the wisest thing to do. >>
I don't either. But there's always one more line to cross. If back yard is
okay, is unfenced okay? If so, is side yard okay? Front yard? Next door
neighbor's front yard?
If six is too old, is five too old? Four?
Sandra
<< Has a Christian actually told you she was not
because she wore makeup? Sad if that is so. >>
Told me about Holly?
No.
Told me about women in general, LOTS.
And about me? (Not that I wear makeup...) Yes.
You don't mean really to pretend there are not millions of Christians who
consider make-up a sin, and sinful girls to be asking for it, do you?
<<I think one of the original posts was regarding nude
children in public places, or places the public can easily see. I don't
see this as the wisest thing to do. >>
I don't either. But there's always one more line to cross. If back yard is
okay, is unfenced okay? If so, is side yard okay? Front yard? Next door
neighbor's front yard?
If six is too old, is five too old? Four?
Sandra