Intro and questions (high school)
Julie Bogart <[email protected]>
Hello ladies.
My name is Julie Bogart. I've written in the past for HEM and have
been an unschooler for the last several years. (I also draw from
Charlotte Mason's philosophy for our home education).
We have five kids ranging in age from 15 down to 6--all of whom
have never been to institutional schools.
I have loved the odyssey of home education from the chances to
share beloved literature together, to hosting what we call "school
parties" (focusing on a topic and creating an event to share with
friends be it the California Gold Rush or a Journey to India). So
far my kids have exhibited all the fruits of what I expected from
unschooling: a passion for learning, the ability to tackle a topic of
interest and milk it for all its worth and a voraicous appetite for
books and the arts.
That is, until now.
Suddenly I have teens. My oldest is a sophomore. I feel the
boom, boom of the college drumbeat right behind me most
days. (Husband teaches college English. We're highly aware of
college admissions and wht it takes to go to college.)
This year for the first time, we enrolled our son in Algebra II at the
local high school (since I am not equipped to teach it and the
school offers it for free--and are very friendly to homeschoolers).
This has been an eye-opener. My very bright son suddenly
flunked two tests. While he is getting 95%+ on homework, we
discovered he had no test taking skills. His mistakes were not in
the Algebra, but in the calculation errors (little stuff).
We've worked hard at developing this skill and he's now gotten
both a A- and a B+ in his most recent efforts. But this experience
has me a bit spooked. I suddenly find myself wondering if he
needs to experience ordinary school life in order to be prepared
for the more ordinary approach to academics that will be college.
How do we as unschoolers prepare them for "schoolish"
behavior? Or do we?
Second set of questions has to do with 13 daughter. She
suddenly lost her passion for outside interests and is now
consumed with her social life. As a result, she is pressing to go
to high school so she can have friends. She has a ton of friends
now, but feels ripped off that she doesn't see them every day the
way she would in school. I'm evastated that she no longer is the
creative, self-initiating learner that she was before puberty. Her
main interest is in reading novels and Instant Messaging her
friends.
How have you all handled the transition to high school? Has
unschooling changed? Do you see institutional schooling as
necessary for either social life or college prep?
Thanks for any input!
Julie Bogart
--
http://www.bravewriter.com
An online writing resource for homeschooling families
My name is Julie Bogart. I've written in the past for HEM and have
been an unschooler for the last several years. (I also draw from
Charlotte Mason's philosophy for our home education).
We have five kids ranging in age from 15 down to 6--all of whom
have never been to institutional schools.
I have loved the odyssey of home education from the chances to
share beloved literature together, to hosting what we call "school
parties" (focusing on a topic and creating an event to share with
friends be it the California Gold Rush or a Journey to India). So
far my kids have exhibited all the fruits of what I expected from
unschooling: a passion for learning, the ability to tackle a topic of
interest and milk it for all its worth and a voraicous appetite for
books and the arts.
That is, until now.
Suddenly I have teens. My oldest is a sophomore. I feel the
boom, boom of the college drumbeat right behind me most
days. (Husband teaches college English. We're highly aware of
college admissions and wht it takes to go to college.)
This year for the first time, we enrolled our son in Algebra II at the
local high school (since I am not equipped to teach it and the
school offers it for free--and are very friendly to homeschoolers).
This has been an eye-opener. My very bright son suddenly
flunked two tests. While he is getting 95%+ on homework, we
discovered he had no test taking skills. His mistakes were not in
the Algebra, but in the calculation errors (little stuff).
We've worked hard at developing this skill and he's now gotten
both a A- and a B+ in his most recent efforts. But this experience
has me a bit spooked. I suddenly find myself wondering if he
needs to experience ordinary school life in order to be prepared
for the more ordinary approach to academics that will be college.
How do we as unschoolers prepare them for "schoolish"
behavior? Or do we?
Second set of questions has to do with 13 daughter. She
suddenly lost her passion for outside interests and is now
consumed with her social life. As a result, she is pressing to go
to high school so she can have friends. She has a ton of friends
now, but feels ripped off that she doesn't see them every day the
way she would in school. I'm evastated that she no longer is the
creative, self-initiating learner that she was before puberty. Her
main interest is in reading novels and Instant Messaging her
friends.
How have you all handled the transition to high school? Has
unschooling changed? Do you see institutional schooling as
necessary for either social life or college prep?
Thanks for any input!
Julie Bogart
--
http://www.bravewriter.com
An online writing resource for homeschooling families
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/5/03 11:56:08 AM, julie@... writes:
<<Do you see institutional schooling as
necessary for either social life or college prep? >>>>
No.
<< How have you all handled the transition to high school? Has
unschooling changed? >>
We never thought of them as NOT in high school, so there wasn't a transition
to high school, but we have, over the years, gathered a group of other
homeschoolers and some of them unschoolers, and so the kids were able to have
social groups not based on school.
They have "gaming friends" and "anime friends," and most of them are either
in school or graduated. Kirby's friends tend to be older. He has worked in
a gaming shop for over two years, and is the youngest charter member of an
anime club older than that. He has one good friend who has graduated from
college already, and several who are out of high school and working.
Marty, at 13, will have his fourteenth birthday next week. I have his guest
list, and there is only one kid who's in school (a junior in high school up
the road), so he moved the starting time from noon to 2:00 so Eric can show
up after school without being too late. The age range is 9 to 18.
We're lucky to live in town, I think, because it's easy for the kids to get
around and back home. We're lucky to be on AOL because most of their
homeschooled friends are too and they are in quick and nearly constant
contact. Also they're all involved in a long-lived online role-playing game.
I think being consumed with social life is healthy. I'm glad they don't have
to go to school to get some!
And instant messages and being on the computer don't bother me. I know where
the kids are!
Sandra
<<Do you see institutional schooling as
necessary for either social life or college prep? >>>>
No.
<< How have you all handled the transition to high school? Has
unschooling changed? >>
We never thought of them as NOT in high school, so there wasn't a transition
to high school, but we have, over the years, gathered a group of other
homeschoolers and some of them unschoolers, and so the kids were able to have
social groups not based on school.
They have "gaming friends" and "anime friends," and most of them are either
in school or graduated. Kirby's friends tend to be older. He has worked in
a gaming shop for over two years, and is the youngest charter member of an
anime club older than that. He has one good friend who has graduated from
college already, and several who are out of high school and working.
Marty, at 13, will have his fourteenth birthday next week. I have his guest
list, and there is only one kid who's in school (a junior in high school up
the road), so he moved the starting time from noon to 2:00 so Eric can show
up after school without being too late. The age range is 9 to 18.
We're lucky to live in town, I think, because it's easy for the kids to get
around and back home. We're lucky to be on AOL because most of their
homeschooled friends are too and they are in quick and nearly constant
contact. Also they're all involved in a long-lived online role-playing game.
I think being consumed with social life is healthy. I'm glad they don't have
to go to school to get some!
And instant messages and being on the computer don't bother me. I know where
the kids are!
Sandra
Helen Hegener
At 2:45 PM -0500 1/5/03, SandraDodd@... wrote:
the local paper yesterday about reinstating the draft: "Wortzel (a
retired Army colonel and current defense analyst) said he supports a
draft because military service helps socialize young Americans." I
thought that was a pretty weird perspective. I knew a lot of guys who
were drafted into the Vietnam war, and the socialization they
reported was mostly of the negative variety...
Helen
>In a message dated 1/5/03 11:56:08 AM, julie@... writes:Catching this from Sandra's reply reminded me of something I read in
><<Do you see institutional schooling as
>necessary for either social life or college prep? >>>>
the local paper yesterday about reinstating the draft: "Wortzel (a
retired Army colonel and current defense analyst) said he supports a
draft because military service helps socialize young Americans." I
thought that was a pretty weird perspective. I knew a lot of guys who
were drafted into the Vietnam war, and the socialization they
reported was mostly of the negative variety...
Helen
Colonel Newton
----- Original Message ----- Second set of questions has to do with 13 daughter. She
suddenly lost her passion for outside interests and is now
consumed with her social life. As a result, she is pressing to go
to high school so she can have friends. She has a ton of friends
now, but feels ripped off that she doesn't see them every day the
way she would in school. I'm evastated that she no longer is the
creative, self-initiating learner that she was before puberty. Her
main interest is in reading novels and Instant Messaging her
friends.
--------------------------------
Julie,
If it's any consolation, this is true of the students I have In regular school too... ;)
One thing that I have found that helps when they hit this Social Bubble (that's my own name for it) is to give them some outlet for it... film making has been mentioned here... could she do a film about her friends? Or a scrapbook? Or write some kind of thing documenting their friendships? Or whatever? Is there some way to capitalize on her interest and allow her to pursue that in a way that might be more focused? I wonder what ideas she might come up with. :)
Teresa G.
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[email protected]
In a message dated 1/5/03 4:27:28 PM, HEM-Editor@... writes:
<< I knew a lot of guys who
were drafted into the Vietnam war, and the socialization they
reported was mostly of the negative variety... >>
Some of them are loudly socializing with themselves on various streetcorners
in Albuquerque still.
<< I knew a lot of guys who
were drafted into the Vietnam war, and the socialization they
reported was mostly of the negative variety... >>
Some of them are loudly socializing with themselves on various streetcorners
in Albuquerque still.
Tia Leschke
>Like school, only worse.
> Catching this from Sandra's reply reminded me of something I read in
> the local paper yesterday about reinstating the draft: "Wortzel (a
> retired Army colonel and current defense analyst) said he supports a
> draft because military service helps socialize young Americans." I
> thought that was a pretty weird perspective. I knew a lot of guys who
> were drafted into the Vietnam war, and the socialization they
> reported was mostly of the negative variety...
Tia
Russ & Julie Anderson
>From: "Julie Bogart <julie@...>" <julie@...>Hi Julie.. It was a surprise to see your name pop up..a nice surprise! You
> My name is Julie Bogart. I've written in the past for HEM and have
> been an unschooler for the last several years. n).
> How have you all handled the transition to high school? Has
> unschooling changed? Do you see institutional schooling as
> necessary for either social life or college prep?
> Thanks for any input!<<<<<
may remember my Emily and her stories about her Iguana from one of your
writing classes a few years ago? I'm mostly a lurker here.. and seldom post,
but you are definatly in the right place to learn and gain confidence in
unschooling.
As far as your concerns about teens and college.. Our Emily is now 18..
presently works as a waitress..and at a clothing store. She also spent a
Summer working at a local State Park,, doing trail maintence, lots of
mowing, and office/computer work. She continues to research and try out her
ideas for alternative house building (she was in the yard with bare feet
mixing up a clay, straw, sand mixture a few weeks ago..learning to make
'cob'.. at least I think that's what she called it. She is building a small
shelter at the end of our yard..the younger sister thinks it will be a cool
play house.
I don't think we ever experienced any sort of transition..we never pay much
attention to what grades the girls would be in anyway..life just flows. I
also have a daughter who's 12, so can definatly relate to what you are
saying, about friends and social activities becoming so much more important
to them now.
Emily has thought about going to college, even spent time on campus
shadowing one of her friends, another unschooled girl. She stayed in the
dorm and attended a few classes with her too..but right now, Emily doesn't
think college would be of much benefit to her. She continues to learn quite
well on her own..and thinks it's foolish to spend so much money when what
she wants to know is already out there, free for the taking at the local
librairies and talking with those who are already doing what she is
interested in. She came home so excited last week..a friend of a friend got
wind of her interest in alternative building and back to the land stuff and
gave her his entire collection of old Mother Earth News! Number 1thru about
80 I think. (I've been happily reading those myself!) Emily has dreams of
buying a few acres and building a house someday, she wishes that could all
start to happen tomorrow! I think she sees herself as a modern day Thoreau.
She still isn't sure how to get from where's she's at to where she wants to
be..but I'm sure she will figure it out in time.
I love all the discussion your questions have stirred up here..great stuff!
Julie in MO
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/5/03 7:55:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
colnewt@... writes:
themselves isn't there? I haven't experienced this with my teen but it may be
because I am looking at him from a slightly different perspective,
unmotivated isn't a word that's even used here.
outlet themselves rather than another suggestion of something worthwhile to
do.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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colnewt@... writes:
> If it's any consolation, this is true of the students I have In regularI wonder if there is a similarity since in both situations, full control over
> school too... ;)
themselves isn't there? I haven't experienced this with my teen but it may be
because I am looking at him from a slightly different perspective,
unmotivated isn't a word that's even used here.
>I truly believe that letting them BE will give them the space for finding an
> One thing that I have found that helps when they hit this Social Bubble
> (that's my own name for it) is to give them some outlet for it...
outlet themselves rather than another suggestion of something worthwhile to
do.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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Julie Bogart <[email protected]>
--- In [email protected], "Russ & Julie
Anderson" <anderclan@c...> wrote:
Hey Julie! Thanks for posting. It's great to see you. We miss you
over on the Trapdoor Society site. You have such a great outlook
and neat experiences to share.
Your daughter amazes me. It's fun to see how she's continuing
to blossom in her interests.
Last night in talking with my husband, I realized that somewhere
along the way, I got sidetracked. I think the desire to "prepare for
college" is what took over. And the hormonal changes of teen life
and attitude took me completely by surprise. We gradually got
away from the lifestyle of learning and I began orchestrating our
home again. It hasn't worked.
Fortunately my dh is totally aware of the same difficulties and last
night stayed up with me until 2 a.m. as we came to reaffirm our
original vision for our kids. (We're about to go out to breakfast
with them this morning to re-cast the vision of life, rather than
school).
Your story is one that really encrouages me to keep going.
college? I will confess--this is the hardest part for me. College is
a big part of our lives even now and was a very satisfying part of
my young adult life (husband's too) so I think that is what made
us second guess ourselves.
Thanks again for saying "hi"!
Julie
Anderson" <anderclan@c...> wrote:
>surprise!
> Hi Julie.. It was a surprise to see your name pop up..a nice
Hey Julie! Thanks for posting. It's great to see you. We miss you
over on the Trapdoor Society site. You have such a great outlook
and neat experiences to share.
Your daughter amazes me. It's fun to see how she's continuing
to blossom in her interests.
> I don't think we ever experienced any sort of transition..wenever pay much
> attention to what grades the girls would be in anyway..life justflows.
Last night in talking with my husband, I realized that somewhere
along the way, I got sidetracked. I think the desire to "prepare for
college" is what took over. And the hormonal changes of teen life
and attitude took me completely by surprise. We gradually got
away from the lifestyle of learning and I began orchestrating our
home again. It hasn't worked.
Fortunately my dh is totally aware of the same difficulties and last
night stayed up with me until 2 a.m. as we came to reaffirm our
original vision for our kids. (We're about to go out to breakfast
with them this morning to re-cast the vision of life, rather than
school).
Your story is one that really encrouages me to keep going.
> Emily has thought about going to college, even spent time oncampus
> shadowing one of her friends, another unschooled girl. Shestayed in the
> dorm and attended a few classes with her too..but right now,Emily doesn't
> think college would be of much benefit to her.Is this fairly common for unschoolers--to not see value in
college? I will confess--this is the hardest part for me. College is
a big part of our lives even now and was a very satisfying part of
my young adult life (husband's too) so I think that is what made
us second guess ourselves.
Thanks again for saying "hi"!
Julie
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/5/03 11:48:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
anderclan@... writes:
In unschooling, there is no transition to high school!!
Unschooling doesn't change, interests change and activity changes, but
unschooing is just unschooling.
My children have an active and varied social life, without school so no it's
not necessary.
College prep - to me that brings a vision of "rich kids who goofed off and
need an extra year of high school."
I think we (as a culture) need to stop preparing for things and start DOing
things. So learn how to take a college class by taking a college class, not
by pretending to take one.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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anderclan@... writes:
> >How have you all handled the transition to high school? HasI just saw something else I wanted to respond to.
> >unschooling changed? Do you see institutional schooling as
> >necessary for either social life or college prep?
> >Thanks for any input!<<<<<
>
>
In unschooling, there is no transition to high school!!
Unschooling doesn't change, interests change and activity changes, but
unschooing is just unschooling.
My children have an active and varied social life, without school so no it's
not necessary.
College prep - to me that brings a vision of "rich kids who goofed off and
need an extra year of high school."
I think we (as a culture) need to stop preparing for things and start DOing
things. So learn how to take a college class by taking a college class, not
by pretending to take one.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/6/03 9:43:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
julie@... writes:
life" has drastically changed.
It is NOT valuable if there is no reason for going. It depends on what one is
doing in life. College is a tool to me, one that is used for a purpose. If
one wants to be an attorney, one MUST go to college. There is absolutely NO
WAY around that one. If one wants to be a pastry chef, college is not
necessary. If one wants to be a dairy farmer, they can go to college and
study Animal Hubandry and sustainable farming OR they can take over the
family farm OR they can work as a farm hand, then overseer, then manager,
eventually buying into their own farm.
College is a tool. All that knowledge that is contained within the walls of
the ivy covered buildings, is also in our world.
I plan on opening a restaurant (Similar to the Basil Pot!!!) once we have
moved and settled on our land and DH isn't commmuting 2 1/2 hours round trip.
I could start back to college next week when the spring semester starts,
majoring in Restaurant Management, or I can start in the back of the house at
California Pizza Kitchen and ask lots of questions and learn while doing. Or
both! I just choose the tool that I am most happy using to reach my goal.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
julie@... writes:
> Is this fairly common for unschoolers--to not see value inSince we began unschooling, the idea that "College is invaluable to a good
> college?
life" has drastically changed.
It is NOT valuable if there is no reason for going. It depends on what one is
doing in life. College is a tool to me, one that is used for a purpose. If
one wants to be an attorney, one MUST go to college. There is absolutely NO
WAY around that one. If one wants to be a pastry chef, college is not
necessary. If one wants to be a dairy farmer, they can go to college and
study Animal Hubandry and sustainable farming OR they can take over the
family farm OR they can work as a farm hand, then overseer, then manager,
eventually buying into their own farm.
College is a tool. All that knowledge that is contained within the walls of
the ivy covered buildings, is also in our world.
I plan on opening a restaurant (Similar to the Basil Pot!!!) once we have
moved and settled on our land and DH isn't commmuting 2 1/2 hours round trip.
I could start back to college next week when the spring semester starts,
majoring in Restaurant Management, or I can start in the back of the house at
California Pizza Kitchen and ask lots of questions and learn while doing. Or
both! I just choose the tool that I am most happy using to reach my goal.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/6/03 8:16:15 AM, Earthmomma67@... writes:
<< I think we (as a culture) need to stop preparing for things and start
DOing
things. So learn how to take a college class by taking a college class, not
by pretending to take one. >>
WOOHOO! BRAVO!
::Standing applause::
Sandra
<< I think we (as a culture) need to stop preparing for things and start
DOing
things. So learn how to take a college class by taking a college class, not
by pretending to take one. >>
WOOHOO! BRAVO!
::Standing applause::
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 1/6/03 9:04:07 AM, Earthmomma67@... writes:
<< If
one wants to be an attorney, one MUST go to college. There is absolutely NO
WAY around that one. >>
There was at one time, and within the lifetimes of people still living. It
was once possible to take the bar exam without having gone to college or law
school. If you passed, you passed.
It would be cool if the internet and the ability of people to get to
information from their own homes would bring some of that back. The reasons
for going to universities were better before the printing press was
invented!! HA!
AND... before video and the internet and cheap printing, some information was
only available in person. But that's no longer necessarily true.
Sandra
<< If
one wants to be an attorney, one MUST go to college. There is absolutely NO
WAY around that one. >>
There was at one time, and within the lifetimes of people still living. It
was once possible to take the bar exam without having gone to college or law
school. If you passed, you passed.
It would be cool if the internet and the ability of people to get to
information from their own homes would bring some of that back. The reasons
for going to universities were better before the printing press was
invented!! HA!
AND... before video and the internet and cheap printing, some information was
only available in person. But that's no longer necessarily true.
Sandra
Tia Leschke
> Suddenly I have teens. My oldest is a sophomore. I feel theWas taking this course your son's decision? Was he aware of all the
> boom, boom of the college drumbeat right behind me most
> days. (Husband teaches college English. We're highly aware of
> college admissions and wht it takes to go to college.)
>
> This year for the first time, we enrolled our son in Algebra II at the
> local high school (since I am not equipped to teach it and the
> school offers it for free--and are very friendly to homeschoolers).
> This has been an eye-opener. My very bright son suddenly
> flunked two tests. While he is getting 95%+ on homework, we
> discovered he had no test taking skills. His mistakes were not in
> the Algebra, but in the calculation errors (little stuff).
different ways he could learn Algebra II (assuming it was his choice to
learn it) and chose a class?
>I've probably told this story here before, but you wouldn't have seen it. A
> We've worked hard at developing this skill and he's now gotten
> both a A- and a B+ in his most recent efforts. But this experience
> has me a bit spooked. I suddenly find myself wondering if he
> needs to experience ordinary school life in order to be prepared
> for the more ordinary approach to academics that will be college.
> How do we as unschoolers prepare them for "schoolish"
> behavior? Or do we?
young unschooled woman here wanted to go to the community college at age 16.
They wanted her to take an English placement exam which involved writing an
essay. She had never written essays before, just letters and journal
entries, so she asked a local high school teacher for help. She wrote 2 or
3 essays which were critiqued by the teacher. Then she took the exam and
got 96%. If your son really wants to go to college, he'll do what it takes
to get there. Your job would be to help out with ideas for learning how to
take tests or whatever his particular roadblock is. And going to school and
taking tests is not the only way to learn how to take them. I'm pretty sure
there are websites with practice tests, for instance.
Tia
Brenda Rose
Hi! I just joined two days ago, so will not introduce myself or my family now. I am enjoying the writings.
In VA it is possible to become an attorney without college. One can study and pass the bar exam. At least one of the attorneys for HSLDA (possibly not everyone's favorite group) did that. Many things can be attained through apprenticeships and self-study.
Brenda R.
In VA it is possible to become an attorney without college. One can study and pass the bar exam. At least one of the attorneys for HSLDA (possibly not everyone's favorite group) did that. Many things can be attained through apprenticeships and self-study.
Brenda R.
----- Original Message -----
From: Earthmomma67@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Intro and questions (high school)
In a message dated 1/6/03 9:43:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
julie@... writes:
> Is this fairly common for unschoolers--to not see value in
> college?
Since we began unschooling, the idea that "College is invaluable to a good
life" has drastically changed.
It is NOT valuable if there is no reason for going. It depends on what one is
doing in life. College is a tool to me, one that is used for a purpose. If
one wants to be an attorney, one MUST go to college. There is absolutely NO
WAY around that one. If one wants to be a pastry chef, college is not
necessary. If one wants to be a dairy farmer, they can go to college and
study Animal Hubandry and sustainable farming OR they can take over the
family farm OR they can work as a farm hand, then overseer, then manager,
eventually buying into their own farm.
College is a tool. All that knowledge that is contained within the walls of
the ivy covered buildings, is also in our world.
I plan on opening a restaurant (Similar to the Basil Pot!!!) once we have
moved and settled on our land and DH isn't commmuting 2 1/2 hours round trip.
I could start back to college next week when the spring semester starts,
majoring in Restaurant Management, or I can start in the back of the house at
California Pizza Kitchen and ask lots of questions and learn while doing. Or
both! I just choose the tool that I am most happy using to reach my goal.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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In a message dated 1/6/2003 11:37:23 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
saw an interview with the guy (dang if I can remember his name). Anyway, he
became a lawyer by studying for a couple of weeks and passing the bar exam on
the first try. Don't know if that was true or just part of the movie, but
it'd be cool if it were.
Tuck
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> There was at one time, and within the lifetimes of people still living. ItWe saw _Catch Me if You Can_ on Christmas. It's based on a true story, and I
> was once possible to take the bar exam without having gone to college or
> law
> school. If you passed, you passed.
>
saw an interview with the guy (dang if I can remember his name). Anyway, he
became a lawyer by studying for a couple of weeks and passing the bar exam on
the first try. Don't know if that was true or just part of the movie, but
it'd be cool if it were.
Tuck
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Have a Nice Day!
Can you still do this????
Kristen
Kristen
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From: tuckervill@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Intro and questions (high school)
In a message dated 1/6/2003 11:37:23 AM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
> There was at one time, and within the lifetimes of people still living. It
> was once possible to take the bar exam without having gone to college or
> law
> school. If you passed, you passed.
>
We saw _Catch Me if You Can_ on Christmas. It's based on a true story, and I
saw an interview with the guy (dang if I can remember his name). Anyway, he
became a lawyer by studying for a couple of weeks and passing the bar exam on
the first try. Don't know if that was true or just part of the movie, but
it'd be cool if it were.
Tuck
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Tia Leschke
> There was at one time, and within the lifetimes of people still living.It
> was once possible to take the bar exam without having gone to college orlaw
> school. If you passed, you passed.reasons
>
> It would be cool if the internet and the ability of people to get to
> information from their own homes would bring some of that back. The
> for going to universities were better before the printing press wasYes. If we have to have credentialism, and for some professions I'm all in
> invented!! HA!
favour of some kind of certification, then at least let people test out.
A young man here wanted to get some high school credits to make it easier to
go to university. His mother approached the government correspondance
school to see if he could just write the tests, since he already knew what
was covered. The principal said no way could he do that. He has to do the
work, she said. They finally compromised and he only had to do half the
work . . . sigh.
Tia
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In a message dated 1/6/2003 10:53:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Earthmomma67@... writes:
Nice fellow. He's been in business for 19-20 years. He wants to unschool his
daughter, but his wife (a "retired" ER doctor) can't seem to let go! Yet. <G>
I'm glad you liked it. I'll tell him you said so! <g>
~Kelly
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Earthmomma67@... writes:
> I plan on opening a restaurant (Similar to the Basil Pot!!!)Let me know whether you'd like to meet Basil. I'd be happy to introduce you.
Nice fellow. He's been in business for 19-20 years. He wants to unschool his
daughter, but his wife (a "retired" ER doctor) can't seem to let go! Yet. <G>
I'm glad you liked it. I'll tell him you said so! <g>
~Kelly
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In a message dated 1/6/03 7:15:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tuckervill@... writes:
Teresa
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tuckervill@... writes:
> We saw _Catch Me if You Can_ on Christmas.We saw that too. Loved it! Unbelievable!
Teresa
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Gerard Westenberg
<<So learn how to take a college class by taking a college class, not
by pretending to take one. >>
Yep, this is what my older sons have done. The first "test:", my oldest had was at age 14, when he wanted to enter a Chemistry programme for gifted kids at a local university. The test and an essay were the entry requirements. We went through test taking techniques and writing essays, used books from the library, he did fine and got into the programme he desired to enter. It made sense to waut until such things were needed and relevant....Leonie W.
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by pretending to take one. >>
Yep, this is what my older sons have done. The first "test:", my oldest had was at age 14, when he wanted to enter a Chemistry programme for gifted kids at a local university. The test and an essay were the entry requirements. We went through test taking techniques and writing essays, used books from the library, he did fine and got into the programme he desired to enter. It made sense to waut until such things were needed and relevant....Leonie W.
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In a message dated 1/6/2003 10:13:48 PM Central Standard Time,
grlynbl@... writes:
watched The Mothman Prophecies though, and I thought it was very thought
provoking. Liked it better than Minority Report, which we also watched that
night.
Tuck
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grlynbl@... writes:
> We saw _Catch Me if You Can_ on Christmas.I didn't think it was that great, but it was enjoyable and interesting. We
>
> We saw that too. Loved it! Unbelievable!
>
watched The Mothman Prophecies though, and I thought it was very thought
provoking. Liked it better than Minority Report, which we also watched that
night.
Tuck
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In a message dated 1/6/03 11:39:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> WOOHOO! BRAVO!"Aw, Shucks" she said, as she curtsied prettily.
> ::Standing applause::
>
> Sandra
>
>
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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In a message dated 1/6/03 12:37:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
law, clerked and eventually took over. An apprenticeship. Probably learned
alot more specialized law than those who go to Law School and read obscure
rulings from 1790 on Gigglehopper vs. Tempura.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> There was at one time, and within the lifetimes of people still living. ItI was thinking about that while I was writing that post. Men studied (read)
> was once possible to take the bar exam without having gone to college or
> law
> school. If you passed, you passed.
>
>
law, clerked and eventually took over. An apprenticeship. Probably learned
alot more specialized law than those who go to Law School and read obscure
rulings from 1790 on Gigglehopper vs. Tempura.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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In a message dated 1/7/03 8:29:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tuckervill@... writes:
<The Mothman Prophecies and Minority Report>
Haven't seen those.. But we did rent Snatch, and it was great too.
Teresa
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tuckervill@... writes:
<The Mothman Prophecies and Minority Report>
Haven't seen those.. But we did rent Snatch, and it was great too.
Teresa
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Thanks Kelly!
I remembered you saying that you know him. I plan on coming down there in a
year or two and absorbing his ideas. so DON"T MOVE UNTIL I'VE DONE THAT!!
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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I remembered you saying that you know him. I plan on coming down there in a
year or two and absorbing his ideas. so DON"T MOVE UNTIL I'VE DONE THAT!!
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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I'm dying to see that!
Another Disgusting yet Sexy guy.
BTW, EVERY DYS guy that comes on TV or a movie, gets categorized like that. I
think I'm going to make a list in my word program for fun.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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Another Disgusting yet Sexy guy.
BTW, EVERY DYS guy that comes on TV or a movie, gets categorized like that. I
think I'm going to make a list in my word program for fun.
*~*Elissa Jill*~*
unschooling Momma to 3 beautiful brilliant people
Loving partner for life to Joey
terrible guitarist, fair singer and happy woman.
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In a message dated 1/7/03 6:08:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, grlynbl@...
writes:
I thought it was great!
Patti
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writes:
> <The Mothman Prophecies and Minority Report>I haven't seen those, but I rented The Bone Collector with Denzel Washington.
>
I thought it was great!
Patti
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Mary Bianco
>From: HappyMato2@...<<The Mothman Prophecies and Minority Report>
I haven't seen those, but I rented The Bone Collector with Denzel
Washington.
I thought it was great!>>
Well this movie has nothing to do with any of the 3 listed but I absolutely
loved and found it so thought provoking for me.
Dragonfly with Kevin Costner. Again not a favorite leading man but what a
movie.
Mary B
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