Re: ritalin
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Yes, Let's do a study on "environment-modification"!
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>> Ritalin, the subject of sharp debate for three decades, was moreeffective than behavior-modification therapy
>___________________________________________________________________
> Of course no one studied whether getting kids out of a noisy,
> stressful
> school environment and home with their families could work BETTER
> than
> ritalin.
>
> Betsy
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>> "In one of the largest studies of its kind ever conducted, researchershave
>> found that the drug Ritalin, the subject of sharp debate for threedecades,
>> was more effective than behavior-modification therapy in treating childrenYes! And I wonder how they measured the "effectiveness." If the goal was
> >with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. ">>
>
> Of course no one studied whether getting kids out of a noisy, stressful
> school environment and home with their families could work BETTER than
> ritalin.
merely for the children to sit down and shut up in school, then it would seem
obvious that drugging them would be the more effective method.
There's yet another article on Ritalin in January's "Reader's Digest."
Mattie
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In a message dated 12/16/99 18:51:40, MrsMattie@... writes:
<< Yes, And I wonder how they measured the "effectiveness." If the goal was
merely for the children to sit down and shut up in school, then it would seem
obvious that drugging them would be the more effective method. >>
Do we know who funded this study? Yes, I am a cynic and I bet it was a
pharmaceutical company-probably the manufacturer of Ritalin. Anyone? Kimme
<< Yes, And I wonder how they measured the "effectiveness." If the goal was
merely for the children to sit down and shut up in school, then it would seem
obvious that drugging them would be the more effective method. >>
Do we know who funded this study? Yes, I am a cynic and I bet it was a
pharmaceutical company-probably the manufacturer of Ritalin. Anyone? Kimme
Lesley
> Of course no one studied whether getting kids out of a noisy, stressfulExactly...and on a similar vein I wonder how many kids who have been
> school environment and home with their families could work BETTER than
> ritalin.
>
diagnosed as having ADHD are actually having food or additive allergies
of some type. Having recently figured out that my son is allergic to
the food coloring Red 40 (and later finding out that some doctors
recommend keeping kids with ADHD off of this stuff)- having behavioral
difficulties that mimic ADHD when he has it- I just wonder how many kids
are really just allergic to this (or allergic to other things). We try
to eat minimally processed foods for the most part, which is how I made
the connection between his behavior and Red 40, but I can see where some
kids would be eating this every day (Froot Loops for breakfast anyone? I
know I probably had it every day as a kid) so that parents wouldn't
notice a connection. Its really not that hard to keep away from it. My
son is having a hard time sleeping tonight because of eating one
maraschino cherry!
I'll post an intro separately now since I haven't posted before...
Lesley
Lynda
there was a definitive work done in the 70's by a doctor who worked for
Kaiser SF. The book is still wandering around. He was phoo phoo because
they didn't want to hear how, what was then called "hyperactive" kids,
might be caused by our over processed food supply. The culprits are most
food colorings, additives and some combinations. If you want a real
example of this, feed your kidlet a red apple, a peanut butter sandwich and
a diet orange soda!
I'll try to find the name of the book and the author.
Lynda
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Kaiser SF. The book is still wandering around. He was phoo phoo because
they didn't want to hear how, what was then called "hyperactive" kids,
might be caused by our over processed food supply. The culprits are most
food colorings, additives and some combinations. If you want a real
example of this, feed your kidlet a red apple, a peanut butter sandwich and
a diet orange soda!
I'll try to find the name of the book and the author.
Lynda
----------
> From: Lesley <decldc@...>
>
> Exactly...and on a similar vein I wonder how many kids who have been
> diagnosed as having ADHD are actually having food or additive allergies
> of some type. Having recently figured out that my son is allergic to
> the food coloring Red 40 (and later finding out that some doctors
> recommend keeping kids with ADHD off of this stuff)- having behavioral
> difficulties that mimic ADHD when he has it- I just wonder how many kids
> are really just allergic to this (or allergic to other things). We try
> to eat minimally processed foods for the most part, which is how I made
> the connection between his behavior and Red 40, but I can see where some
> kids would be eating this every day (Froot Loops for breakfast anyone? I
> know I probably had it every day as a kid) so that parents wouldn't
> notice a connection. Its really not that hard to keep away from it. My
> son is having a hard time sleeping tonight because of eating one
> maraschino cherry!
>
> I'll post an intro separately now since I haven't posted before...
>
> Lesley
>
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In a message dated 4/15/2003 8:03:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
encadia@... writes:
energy that someone says they need ritalin. Ritalin is a STIMULANT how in
the world would that help a child that already is racing around and not being
able to sit still?
My sons both took ritalin but not because they couldn't sit still in class or
had too much energy. One son finally said to me he couldn't learn in class
because it sounded like the teacher was saying wa wa wa wa wa wa. We had his
hearing checked, we had vision tested, we did lots of testing. After two
years I agreed to a trial of ritalin only because the child was begging for
something to help. It was like night and day for him. His grades
dramatically improved. He was able to concentrate on what he needed to get
done. I didn't see any changes in his play behaviours. The main changes
were that he was much happier with himself and that it took less than half
the time to get his school work done and he could play video games without
getting frustrated. The sad part is when he asked me why I didn't give him
the medication sooner (he was in middle school).
If I had the courage to just homeschool THEN, I guess the ritalin still would
have been helpful to him to help him have clearer thoughts and I guess in a
way more control over his thoughts and actions. If he wanted to concentrate
on his video games for an hour or more, he now could.
I don't understand the part of giving it for kids who have more energy at
all.
glena
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encadia@... writes:
> ><<We have had teachers tell us that we should get Jaiden in school ASAP soOn this subject, I don't understand why when children seem to have a lot of
> >that we can get him on ritalin, with out any problems. :-P--- >>
>
> If this isn't the craziest thing I have heard. Sorry but I just came across
> so missed the origional post.
> I have to ask this? in your district does your school provide ritilan?
>
energy that someone says they need ritalin. Ritalin is a STIMULANT how in
the world would that help a child that already is racing around and not being
able to sit still?
My sons both took ritalin but not because they couldn't sit still in class or
had too much energy. One son finally said to me he couldn't learn in class
because it sounded like the teacher was saying wa wa wa wa wa wa. We had his
hearing checked, we had vision tested, we did lots of testing. After two
years I agreed to a trial of ritalin only because the child was begging for
something to help. It was like night and day for him. His grades
dramatically improved. He was able to concentrate on what he needed to get
done. I didn't see any changes in his play behaviours. The main changes
were that he was much happier with himself and that it took less than half
the time to get his school work done and he could play video games without
getting frustrated. The sad part is when he asked me why I didn't give him
the medication sooner (he was in middle school).
If I had the courage to just homeschool THEN, I guess the ritalin still would
have been helpful to him to help him have clearer thoughts and I guess in a
way more control over his thoughts and actions. If he wanted to concentrate
on his video games for an hour or more, he now could.
I don't understand the part of giving it for kids who have more energy at
all.
glena
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In a message dated 4/16/2003 8:44:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
children. At around 13 or so (each child is different), the child's body
chemistry changes and Ritalin becomes ineffective------or rather changes.
Ritalin was found to "depress" children "by accident" when it was being used
to try to stimulate them. Then they realized it could be used to effectively
quiet them.
~Kelly
~Kelly
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rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
> Ritalin is a STIMULANT how inDaddy, the shrink, says that it's a stimulant in adults, but a depressant in
> the world would that help a child that already is racing around and not
> being
> able to sit still?
children. At around 13 or so (each child is different), the child's body
chemistry changes and Ritalin becomes ineffective------or rather changes.
Ritalin was found to "depress" children "by accident" when it was being used
to try to stimulate them. Then they realized it could be used to effectively
quiet them.
~Kelly
~Kelly
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IT IS A V ERY DANGEROUS DRUG, IT HAS ACTUALLY NEVER BEEN TESTED ON CHILDREN,
EXCEPT OF COURSE THE REAL LIFE TESTS ON OUR CHILDREN. THINK ABOUT ALCOHOL,
IT IS A DEPRESSANT BY NATURE BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF HAPPY DRUNKS. I AGREE
ABOUT THE TEQNICALITIES OF THE DRUG BUT TIME IS SHOWING US THAT IT HAS A LOT
OF NEGATIVE LONG TERM EFFECTS.
THANKS FOR LETTING ME VENT
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EXCEPT OF COURSE THE REAL LIFE TESTS ON OUR CHILDREN. THINK ABOUT ALCOHOL,
IT IS A DEPRESSANT BY NATURE BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF HAPPY DRUNKS. I AGREE
ABOUT THE TEQNICALITIES OF THE DRUG BUT TIME IS SHOWING US THAT IT HAS A LOT
OF NEGATIVE LONG TERM EFFECTS.
THANKS FOR LETTING ME VENT
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In a message dated 4/16/2003 9:47:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kbcdlovejo@... writes:
said the difference was like without it the world was black and white and
gray, boring and in slow motion. With the ritalin, he was seeing things in
color, he could see all the tiny details and it made much more sense to be a
part of it.
I think he was probably 12 or 13 when he started taking it. He's 18 he still
takes it when he wants to really focus things he's doing. If it's a lazy
laid back day, he doesn't sometimes take it.
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kbcdlovejo@... writes:
> Daddy, the shrink, says that it's a stimulant in adults, but a depressant inApparently why it helped John focus better and be able to concentrate. He
>
> children. At around 13 or so (each child is different), the child's body
> chemistry changes and Ritalin becomes ineffective------or rather changes.
said the difference was like without it the world was black and white and
gray, boring and in slow motion. With the ritalin, he was seeing things in
color, he could see all the tiny details and it made much more sense to be a
part of it.
I think he was probably 12 or 13 when he started taking it. He's 18 he still
takes it when he wants to really focus things he's doing. If it's a lazy
laid back day, he doesn't sometimes take it.
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In a message dated 4/16/2003 9:54:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
TheFadels@... writes:
taking ritalin and a fairly high dose for five or six years now. We haven't
seen any long term affects but then again maybe we didn't know we should be
looking for any either.
My doctor said it's a wonder drug for those who really need it. He told me
point blank that it would not solve behaviour problems, that it does NOT calm
kids down but that it does help them focus on whatever task they have to
accomplish. It took a long time before I would allow a trial for my son. I
feel bad I didn't do it sooner. It has made a huge difference in his life,
he is the one that tells me this. I don't see any outward change in him,
maybe less frustration about some things.
Thank you for bringing to my attention that there could possibly be some long
term affects I am not familiar with. I look forward to hearing about these.
glena
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TheFadels@... writes:
> I AGREEWhat are the negative long term affects you are speaking of? My son has been
> ABOUT THE TEQNICALITIES OF THE DRUG BUT TIME IS SHOWING US THAT IT HAS A
> LOT
> OF NEGATIVE LONG TERM EFFECTS.
>
taking ritalin and a fairly high dose for five or six years now. We haven't
seen any long term affects but then again maybe we didn't know we should be
looking for any either.
My doctor said it's a wonder drug for those who really need it. He told me
point blank that it would not solve behaviour problems, that it does NOT calm
kids down but that it does help them focus on whatever task they have to
accomplish. It took a long time before I would allow a trial for my son. I
feel bad I didn't do it sooner. It has made a huge difference in his life,
he is the one that tells me this. I don't see any outward change in him,
maybe less frustration about some things.
Thank you for bringing to my attention that there could possibly be some long
term affects I am not familiar with. I look forward to hearing about these.
glena
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In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:38:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
24hrmom@... writes:
been taking ritalin.
I'm sure there are tons of stories I could find by googling, but I'd rather
hear what someone who's experienced it first hand can tell me about their own
experiences with long term affects. I of course have read the horror
stories, that's why it took me so long to actually consent to the use of the
medication for me son. But there are those who it works for and works well
and makes a huge difference in their lives for the better. I was thinking
they were speaking about something that shows up much later after long term
use, some organ failure or something dreadful.
Our doctor said if ritalin was the right drug, my son would know it right
away, he says it made a great difference for the better for him.
Maybe he's just one of the kids that it works the way it's supposed to for.
glena
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24hrmom@... writes:
> You've never heard of possible long term health effects from takingWe haven't seen any adverse affects in the five years or so that my son has
> ritalin?? How about ongoing side effects?
>
been taking ritalin.
I'm sure there are tons of stories I could find by googling, but I'd rather
hear what someone who's experienced it first hand can tell me about their own
experiences with long term affects. I of course have read the horror
stories, that's why it took me so long to actually consent to the use of the
medication for me son. But there are those who it works for and works well
and makes a huge difference in their lives for the better. I was thinking
they were speaking about something that shows up much later after long term
use, some organ failure or something dreadful.
Our doctor said if ritalin was the right drug, my son would know it right
away, he says it made a great difference for the better for him.
Maybe he's just one of the kids that it works the way it's supposed to for.
glena
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In a message dated 4/16/03 7:47:17 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:
<< Daddy, the shrink, says that it's a stimulant in adults, but a depressant
in
children. At around 13 or so (each child is different), the child's body
chemistry changes and Ritalin becomes ineffective------or rather changes.
Ritalin was found to "depress" children "by accident" when it was being used
to try to stimulate them. Then they realized it could be used to effectively
quiet them.
instead of "sped" by ritalin, that if a child does NOT respond to it by
becoming calmer, then the doctors say "Ah, then this child does not have ADD.
They're giving it to adults. Same deal, she believed. If the adult responds
to a stimulant as it's a stimulating thing, not ADD. If a stimulant relaxes
them, ADD.
Few "diseases" are diagnosed by reaction to the treatment.
I hope.
Sandra
<< Daddy, the shrink, says that it's a stimulant in adults, but a depressant
in
children. At around 13 or so (each child is different), the child's body
chemistry changes and Ritalin becomes ineffective------or rather changes.
Ritalin was found to "depress" children "by accident" when it was being used
to try to stimulate them. Then they realized it could be used to effectively
quiet them.
>>My doctor said whatever it is that ADD is causes a person to be slowed
instead of "sped" by ritalin, that if a child does NOT respond to it by
becoming calmer, then the doctors say "Ah, then this child does not have ADD.
They're giving it to adults. Same deal, she believed. If the adult responds
to a stimulant as it's a stimulating thing, not ADD. If a stimulant relaxes
them, ADD.
Few "diseases" are diagnosed by reaction to the treatment.
I hope.
Sandra
24hrmom
<<rubyprincesstsg@... wrote:
On this subject, I don't understand why when children seem to have a lot of
energy that someone says they need ritalin. Ritalin is a STIMULANT how in
the world would that help a child that already is racing around and not being
able to sit still?>>
My understanding of the theory is that the parts of the brain that influence impulse control are understimulated and the "hyperactive" behaviour is the person's attempt to actually arouse them. The stimulant medication arouses this area (by increasing the levels of neurotransmitters) and the person no longer needs to actively seek outside stimulation, and as a result can "sit still and concentrate" for longer periods of time.
Pam L
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On this subject, I don't understand why when children seem to have a lot of
energy that someone says they need ritalin. Ritalin is a STIMULANT how in
the world would that help a child that already is racing around and not being
able to sit still?>>
My understanding of the theory is that the parts of the brain that influence impulse control are understimulated and the "hyperactive" behaviour is the person's attempt to actually arouse them. The stimulant medication arouses this area (by increasing the levels of neurotransmitters) and the person no longer needs to actively seek outside stimulation, and as a result can "sit still and concentrate" for longer periods of time.
Pam L
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In a message dated 4/16/03 8:50:15 AM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< We haven't seen any adverse affects in the five years or so that my son
has
been taking ritalin.
<<I'm sure there are tons of stories I could find by googling, but I'd rather
hear what someone who's experienced it first hand can tell me about their own
experiences with long term affects. >>
Five years isn't "long term."
This isn't a ritalin list, but there ARE ritalin lists!
Sandra
<< We haven't seen any adverse affects in the five years or so that my son
has
been taking ritalin.
<<I'm sure there are tons of stories I could find by googling, but I'd rather
hear what someone who's experienced it first hand can tell me about their own
experiences with long term affects. >>
Five years isn't "long term."
This isn't a ritalin list, but there ARE ritalin lists!
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/16/2003 1:01:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
medication was wonderful for my child. But he wasn't EVER hyper at all. He
was totally calm and laid back, hence some teachers and our thinking that he
was just lazily daydreaming his way through life.
He calmly explained he sat expressionless because he had NO idea what was
being said. OK, further questioning came with the wa wa wa wa wa story.
Took a while to convince me. The other two children in the neighborhood that
were on ritalin climbed on my roof, up in trees, couldn't sit still for a
minute and were not very well behaved neighbors. John just sat around, he
played baseball, got frustrated if he couldn't concentrate on hitting the
ball when he KNEW he should be able to. Got frustrated sitting in class and
not understanding, got frustrated when he couldn't concentrate on the video
games like his brother. His being frustrated manifested itself in feelings
of low self esteem and just giving up on things he really wanted to do.
I know there is such a thing as ADHD with the hyper activity part added in
but I think they give them another medication in addition to the ritalin. My
child only took the ritalin.
The doctor explained it to me like this. If your child were diabetic would
you hesitate to give him medication? Of course not if he needed it, then he
asked me to at least TRY the ritalin so I guess sometimes it's a good thing.
From outward appearances and behaviours we see no difference when my son
takes his medication and when he doesn't. It's his world that is clearer and
less frustrating for him. I see the difference in grades and smiles and a
better batting average.
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> My doctor said whatever it is that ADD is causes a person to be slowedHere's the thing, my so is diagnosed ADD and I believe them because the
> instead of "sped" by ritalin, that if a child does NOT respond to it by
> becoming calmer, then the doctors say "Ah, then this child does not have
> ADD.
>
>
medication was wonderful for my child. But he wasn't EVER hyper at all. He
was totally calm and laid back, hence some teachers and our thinking that he
was just lazily daydreaming his way through life.
He calmly explained he sat expressionless because he had NO idea what was
being said. OK, further questioning came with the wa wa wa wa wa story.
Took a while to convince me. The other two children in the neighborhood that
were on ritalin climbed on my roof, up in trees, couldn't sit still for a
minute and were not very well behaved neighbors. John just sat around, he
played baseball, got frustrated if he couldn't concentrate on hitting the
ball when he KNEW he should be able to. Got frustrated sitting in class and
not understanding, got frustrated when he couldn't concentrate on the video
games like his brother. His being frustrated manifested itself in feelings
of low self esteem and just giving up on things he really wanted to do.
I know there is such a thing as ADHD with the hyper activity part added in
but I think they give them another medication in addition to the ritalin. My
child only took the ritalin.
The doctor explained it to me like this. If your child were diabetic would
you hesitate to give him medication? Of course not if he needed it, then he
asked me to at least TRY the ritalin so I guess sometimes it's a good thing.
From outward appearances and behaviours we see no difference when my son
takes his medication and when he doesn't. It's his world that is clearer and
less frustrating for him. I see the difference in grades and smiles and a
better batting average.
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In a message dated 4/16/2003 1:13:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
is long term.
glena
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Five years isn't "long term."Sorry, won't post about ritalin questions again. To some people five years
>
> This isn't a ritalin list, but there ARE ritalin lists!
>
is long term.
glena
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24hrmom
<<rubyprincesstsg@... wrote:
What are the negative long term affects you are speaking of? My son has been
taking ritalin and a fairly high dose for five or six years now. We haven't
seen any long term affects but then again maybe we didn't know we should be
looking for any either.>>
You've never heard of possible long term health effects from taking ritalin?? How about ongoing side effects?
It might be time to google again ...
Pam L.
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What are the negative long term affects you are speaking of? My son has been
taking ritalin and a fairly high dose for five or six years now. We haven't
seen any long term affects but then again maybe we didn't know we should be
looking for any either.>>
You've never heard of possible long term health effects from taking ritalin?? How about ongoing side effects?
It might be time to google again ...
Pam L.
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Have a Nice Day!
It is thought that Ritalin "stimulates" the area of the brain that encourages inhibition, which allows them to be able to inhibit their own behavior.
And it is not different in adults, contrary to what was once believed.
HOWEVER...my son also told me that when he used to be on Ritalin it made him*feel* VERY DEPRESSED and he hated it.
I'm glad he's not taking it anymore.
Kristen
And it is not different in adults, contrary to what was once believed.
HOWEVER...my son also told me that when he used to be on Ritalin it made him*feel* VERY DEPRESSED and he hated it.
I'm glad he's not taking it anymore.
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: kbcdlovejo@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]ritalin
In a message dated 4/16/2003 8:44:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
> Ritalin is a STIMULANT how in
> the world would that help a child that already is racing around and not
> being
> able to sit still?
Daddy, the shrink, says that it's a stimulant in adults, but a depressant in
children. At around 13 or so (each child is different), the child's body
chemistry changes and Ritalin becomes ineffective------or rather changes.
Ritalin was found to "depress" children "by accident" when it was being used
to try to stimulate them. Then they realized it could be used to effectively
quiet them.
~Kelly
~Kelly
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Have a Nice Day!
Glena,
We had some side effects to Ritalin initially....anger became a real problem. And as I wrote before, my son said he became very depressed on it (which I did not know until 3 years after he was off of meds).
We also had tried some other stimulants (bec. of the side effects) and one was Dexedrine: BIG MISTAKE. He went into a manic episode and had to be on Lithium for a year after that...and then he reacted to the Lithium too.
If your son has been using ritalin for a few years, and it makes a significant difference to HIM and HE does not have the adverse effects, then by all means...I think its fine. Each person should be evaluated individuallly. And it sounds like that is what happened in your case.
Kristen
We had some side effects to Ritalin initially....anger became a real problem. And as I wrote before, my son said he became very depressed on it (which I did not know until 3 years after he was off of meds).
We also had tried some other stimulants (bec. of the side effects) and one was Dexedrine: BIG MISTAKE. He went into a manic episode and had to be on Lithium for a year after that...and then he reacted to the Lithium too.
If your son has been using ritalin for a few years, and it makes a significant difference to HIM and HE does not have the adverse effects, then by all means...I think its fine. Each person should be evaluated individuallly. And it sounds like that is what happened in your case.
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: rubyprincesstsg@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]ritalin
In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:38:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
24hrmom@... writes:
> You've never heard of possible long term health effects from taking
> ritalin?? How about ongoing side effects?
>
We haven't seen any adverse affects in the five years or so that my son has
been taking ritalin.
I'm sure there are tons of stories I could find by googling, but I'd rather
hear what someone who's experienced it first hand can tell me about their own
experiences with long term affects. I of course have read the horror
stories, that's why it took me so long to actually consent to the use of the
medication for me son. But there are those who it works for and works well
and makes a huge difference in their lives for the better. I was thinking
they were speaking about something that shows up much later after long term
use, some organ failure or something dreadful.
Our doctor said if ritalin was the right drug, my son would know it right
away, he says it made a great difference for the better for him.
Maybe he's just one of the kids that it works the way it's supposed to for.
glena
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Have a Nice Day!
Actually sandra,
There *are* doctors that still use the "Ritalin test" but the truth is it will cause *anyone* to be able to "focus" better. Thats why they now also give it to adults.
A doctor who uses ritalin as a test for ADD is not practicing good medicine.
Kristen
There *are* doctors that still use the "Ritalin test" but the truth is it will cause *anyone* to be able to "focus" better. Thats why they now also give it to adults.
A doctor who uses ritalin as a test for ADD is not practicing good medicine.
Kristen
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From: SandraDodd@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]ritalin
In a message dated 4/16/03 7:47:17 AM, kbcdlovejo@... writes:
<< Daddy, the shrink, says that it's a stimulant in adults, but a depressant
in
children. At around 13 or so (each child is different), the child's body
chemistry changes and Ritalin becomes ineffective------or rather changes.
Ritalin was found to "depress" children "by accident" when it was being used
to try to stimulate them. Then they realized it could be used to effectively
quiet them.
>>
My doctor said whatever it is that ADD is causes a person to be slowed
instead of "sped" by ritalin, that if a child does NOT respond to it by
becoming calmer, then the doctors say "Ah, then this child does not have ADD.
They're giving it to adults. Same deal, she believed. If the adult responds
to a stimulant as it's a stimulating thing, not ADD. If a stimulant relaxes
them, ADD.
Few "diseases" are diagnosed by reaction to the treatment.
I hope.
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/16/03 11:13:56 AM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< I see the difference in grades and smiles and a
better batting average. >>
Grades?
Still?
If I had a kid who wanted to try it I'd let them, but I'd read a lot about
it, too.
Sandra
<< I see the difference in grades and smiles and a
better batting average. >>
Grades?
Still?
If I had a kid who wanted to try it I'd let them, but I'd read a lot about
it, too.
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/16/2003 1:48:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
enjoyable, that translates into better grades for him.
glena
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Grades?Yes, he's in college now. They send grades. He finds learning much more
> Still?
>
enjoyable, that translates into better grades for him.
glena
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In a message dated 4/16/03 11:18:03 AM, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:
<< Sorry, won't post about ritalin questions again. To some people five
years
is long term. >>
Medically speaking, five years is what is meant by "long term."
I didn't mean to say don't talk about it all, but don't come right out and
SAY you don't want to read at google but you want people to tell you
everything you're going to know here on this list.
Sandra
<< Sorry, won't post about ritalin questions again. To some people five
years
is long term. >>
Medically speaking, five years is what is meant by "long term."
I didn't mean to say don't talk about it all, but don't come right out and
SAY you don't want to read at google but you want people to tell you
everything you're going to know here on this list.
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/16/03 9:43:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
What are the negative long term affects you are speaking of? My son has
been
taking ritalin and a fairly high dose for five or six years now. We haven't
seen any long term affects but then again maybe we didn't know we should be
looking for any either. >>
Well, this is anecdotal...but my brother was on it long term and became a
major drug addict and has been in and out of prison for all of his adult life.
There are other factors at play for this child.
If you don't even know about the long term side effects, why on earth are you
allowing your child to take this drug?
It has been linked to a lot of problems during pubescent years. I would know
ALL potential side effects of any drug I gave my child.
AND, it would be a last resort, after trying alternative methods and such.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<<
What are the negative long term affects you are speaking of? My son has
been
taking ritalin and a fairly high dose for five or six years now. We haven't
seen any long term affects but then again maybe we didn't know we should be
looking for any either. >>
Well, this is anecdotal...but my brother was on it long term and became a
major drug addict and has been in and out of prison for all of his adult life.
There are other factors at play for this child.
If you don't even know about the long term side effects, why on earth are you
allowing your child to take this drug?
It has been linked to a lot of problems during pubescent years. I would know
ALL potential side effects of any drug I gave my child.
AND, it would be a last resort, after trying alternative methods and such.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
Ann Slaughter
Ritalin is only a "stimulant" to those who do not have ADD. After I grad. from high school I found out about ritalin. I was very upset, because school was so difficult for me. I can certainly relate to hearing your teacher ...wa.wa..wa..wa.. I was also angry, if only I had had ritalin then, who knows... I remember feeling very frustrated and also made to think I was not as smart. I knew that was not the case. It was very frustrating and at the same time a big relief, finially there were answers to my questions as to why I was like that. The only way I can explain it is that when you have ADD some of your "wires" are crossed so to speak and ritalin has the opposite effect on us as it would some one else. My sister stole some and gave them to her friends. They went off the wall. It was basically like speed for them. Ritalin helped me retain focus and calmness when my head was running a million miles a minute. I often wish I could take it again, however my insurance stopped covering it years ago. I could no longer afford it and started working on learning other ways to cope. It doesn't always work as well but I am doing much better now that I know what the source is.I try to steer away from medicating until I know that other options do not work. You need to find out what works best, everyone is different. **If your child is on it and they are slow, drained and sluggish you need to have the dosage checked and lowered. It took over 2 years to get the levels right for me. Most people don't realize that it takes 30 days to really see a real change and tell if it's working. I have known people to send their kids back to the doctors and doctors uping the dosage because they were not changing "fast enough". End result- too quick to dispense "standard" dosage for all kids, this leads to overmedicating most kids. Ritalin can be a wonderful thing when dispensed right. These days school systems and doctors as well as parents are looking for a quick fix and the kids pay the price for not fitting into their square box ...(round peg in a ...).~Annie~~You may laugh at me because I am different. I laugh at you because you are all the same.~~--- On Wed 04/16, < kbcdlovejo@... > wrote:From: [mailto: kbcdlovejo@...]To: [email protected]: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:19:46 EDTSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]ritalinIn a message dated 4/16/2003 8:44:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rubyprincesstsg@... writes:> Ritalin is a STIMULANT how in > the world would that help a child that already is racing around and not > being > able to sit still?Daddy, the shrink, says that it's a stimulant in adults, but a depressant in children. At around 13 or so (each child is different), the child's body chemistry changes and Ritalin becomes ineffective------or rather changes. Ritalin was found to "depress" children "by accident" when it was being used to try to stimulate them. Then they realized it could be used to effectively quiet them.~Kelly~Kelly[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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In a message dated 4/16/03 12:44:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Sorry, won't post about ritalin questions again. To some people five
years
is long term. >>
I don't think that was the point.
Ritalin questions are going to come up here....but you shouldn't be asking
people here to spoon feed you ritalin advice. This isn't the place for it.
I don't think that ADD or ADHD is anything like diabetes which is a very real
physical ailment.
If it weren't for school, ADD would not exist.
It's a set of characteristics that certain people have in common, NOT a
physical ailment or disability.
My ADD brother could concentrate just fine on the things he loved. It was
when he was supposed to concentrate on things he wasn't interested in that he
had problems and they had to drug him.
I don't see how ritalin would EVER be necessary for an unschooled child.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
[email protected] writes:
<< Sorry, won't post about ritalin questions again. To some people five
years
is long term. >>
I don't think that was the point.
Ritalin questions are going to come up here....but you shouldn't be asking
people here to spoon feed you ritalin advice. This isn't the place for it.
I don't think that ADD or ADHD is anything like diabetes which is a very real
physical ailment.
If it weren't for school, ADD would not exist.
It's a set of characteristics that certain people have in common, NOT a
physical ailment or disability.
My ADD brother could concentrate just fine on the things he loved. It was
when he was supposed to concentrate on things he wasn't interested in that he
had problems and they had to drug him.
I don't see how ritalin would EVER be necessary for an unschooled child.
Ren
"The sun is shining--the sun is shining. That is the magic. The flowers are
growing--the roots are stirring. That is the magic. Being alive is the
magic--being strong is the magic The magic is in me--the magic is in
me....It's in every one of us."
----Frances Hodgson Burnett
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In a message dated 4/16/03 11:52:44 AM, litlrooh@... writes:
<< A doctor who uses ritalin as a test for ADD is not practicing good
medicine. >>
No, they used psychologists recommendations but right at the end if the meds
didn't help, she said they said the psychologist had been wrong.
It was the last test. The others were pretty much behavioral observation.
Are there others? Isn't it ALL behavioral?
Sandra
<< A doctor who uses ritalin as a test for ADD is not practicing good
medicine. >>
No, they used psychologists recommendations but right at the end if the meds
didn't help, she said they said the psychologist had been wrong.
It was the last test. The others were pretty much behavioral observation.
Are there others? Isn't it ALL behavioral?
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/16/03 12:07:16 PM, SandraDodd@... writes:
<< Medically speaking, five years is what is meant by "long term." >>
NOT NOT NOT!
Where is my "not"?
Sorry.
Long term means later, rest-of-life, after years and years.
Medically speaking, five years is NOT what is meant by "long term."
Sorry it was botched.
<< Medically speaking, five years is what is meant by "long term." >>
NOT NOT NOT!
Where is my "not"?
Sorry.
Long term means later, rest-of-life, after years and years.
Medically speaking, five years is NOT what is meant by "long term."
Sorry it was botched.
Tia Leschke
Seems like *all* your posts are being cut off, Ann. I wonder if it's
something to do with your mail reader. I noticed that the ads a the bottom
have all the html markings, which they usually don't.
Tia
something to do with your mail reader. I noticed that the ads a the bottom
have all the html markings, which they usually don't.
Tia
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Slaughter <annabell1972@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]ritalin
>>Ritalin is only a "stimulant" to those who do not have ADD. After I grad.
from high school I found out about ritalin. I was very upset, because school
was so difficult for me. I can certainly relate to hearing your teacher
...wa.wa..wa..wa.. I was also angry, if only I had had ritalin then, who
knows... I remember feeling very frustrated and also made to think I was not
as smart. I knew that was not the case. It was very frustrating and at the
same time a big relief, finially there were answers to my questions as to
why I was like that. The only way I can explain it is that when you have ADD
some of your "wires" are crossed so to speak and ritalin has the opposite
effect on us as it would some one else. My sister stole some and gave them
to her friends. They went off the wall. It was basically like speed for
them. Ritalin helped me retain focus and calmness when my head was running a
million miles a minute. I often wish I could take it again, however my
insurance stopped covering it years ago. I could no l >>
Have a Nice Day!
Anne, your statement that ritalin is only a "stimulant" for those who have add is simply not true.
Many people have had the same effects you describe without having add.
And many people have had ritalin NOT work for them who DO have add.
Kristen
Many people have had the same effects you describe without having add.
And many people have had ritalin NOT work for them who DO have add.
Kristen
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Slaughter
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom]ritalin
Ritalin is only a "stimulant" to those who do not have ADD. After I grad. from high school I found out about ritalin. I was very upset, because school was so difficult for me. I can certainly relate to hearing your teacher ...wa.wa..wa..wa.. I was also angry, if only I had had ritalin then, who knows... I remember feeling very frustrated and also made to think I was not as smart. I knew that was not the case. It was very frustrating and at the same time a big relief, finially there were answers to my questions as to why I was like that. The only way I can explain it is that when you have ADD some of your "wires" are crossed so to speak and ritalin has the opposite effect on us as it would some one else. My sister stole some and gave them to her friends. They went off the wall. It was basically like speed for them. Ritalin helped me retain focus and calmness when my head was running a million miles a minute. I often wish I could take it again, however my insurance
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