kids and behavior
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/18/02 5:05:49 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< . You let him get by with too much, he shouldnt treat you like
that. >>
Well, I have to agree with this. I wouldn't let anyone hit me, not even my
child. If my child was throwing things, screaming hurtful things or trying to
harm me or anyone else, I would hold them until they calmed down.
Allowing a child to harm others is wrong. And it could extend into adult
life, which will land ya in jail!!
I think some kids are genetically more intense than others. This doesn't mean
they should be able to hurt people in the vicinity.
Ren
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[email protected] writes:
<< . You let him get by with too much, he shouldnt treat you like
that. >>
Well, I have to agree with this. I wouldn't let anyone hit me, not even my
child. If my child was throwing things, screaming hurtful things or trying to
harm me or anyone else, I would hold them until they calmed down.
Allowing a child to harm others is wrong. And it could extend into adult
life, which will land ya in jail!!
I think some kids are genetically more intense than others. This doesn't mean
they should be able to hurt people in the vicinity.
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
~Arnold Lobel
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/18/02 6:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
ot hurt me, he just loses control, and that is scary. I agree, I think what
is going on with JP is much deeper than parenting issues. I think Yol was
right on the money too, and I am to the point where homeopathy sounds like a
viable option. I hope to be visiting Yol soon :-) I have heard lots of
others testify to the success of homeopathy. I really think that his
behavior is some "unbalance" of some sort.
Teresa
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> think some kids are genetically more intense than others. This doesn't meanI do have to use a therapeutic hold on him sometimes. He doesnt REALLY want
> they should be able to hurt people in the vicinity.
>
> Ren
>
ot hurt me, he just loses control, and that is scary. I agree, I think what
is going on with JP is much deeper than parenting issues. I think Yol was
right on the money too, and I am to the point where homeopathy sounds like a
viable option. I hope to be visiting Yol soon :-) I have heard lots of
others testify to the success of homeopathy. I really think that his
behavior is some "unbalance" of some sort.
Teresa
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Julie Stauffer
<<I would hold them until they calmed down>>
Ditto. I have never had this experience with my own kids but did when I
worked in a psychiatric facility for kids. A basket hold can be a very
comforting thing for someone who is so out of control they are hurting
people they love.
Julie
Ditto. I have never had this experience with my own kids but did when I
worked in a psychiatric facility for kids. A basket hold can be a very
comforting thing for someone who is so out of control they are hurting
people they love.
Julie
Tia Leschke
> Ditto. I have never had this experience with my own kids but did when IIs it possible to describe this hold in text? Or can you point me to
> worked in a psychiatric facility for kids. A basket hold can be a very
> comforting thing for someone who is so out of control they are hurting
> people they love.
something with pictures? My granddaughter still has to be pinned once in a
while to keep her from hurting someone. She struggles mightily and
complains that she's being hurt. If there were a better way to do it, I'm
sure my daughter would be interested.
Tia
Yol, Vishnu & Shanti
I've done this too. I think it not only protects the child from his or her own excess (explosive) energy, but it transmits the parent's calm and understanding attitude. Kids do not understand their
emotions, they just become the emotions themselves. It's up to us to bring some sort of balance to the picture.
Yol
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emotions, they just become the emotions themselves. It's up to us to bring some sort of balance to the picture.
Yol
Julie Stauffer wrote:
> <<I would hold them until they calmed down>>--
>
> Ditto. I have never had this experience with my own kids but did when I
> worked in a psychiatric facility for kids. A basket hold can be a very
> comforting thing for someone who is so out of control they are hurting
> people they love.
>
> Julie
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 1:12:36 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Ethan did that for a while in the 2nd grade.. He just outgrew it. but it
was
very disturbing. JP chews his shirt sleeve or collar. Hes riuns at least a
shirt a week >>
It's funny you brought up the shirt chewing thing today! My sis and I were
reminiscing about how Trevor used to ruin his shirts frequently with this
weird habit.
We talked about the difference in parenting styles then and now, that I use,
and how at that time I nagged him to stop it because I hated his shirts
getting ruined.
I decided that now, I'd see it as something he needed to do for a time, and
pin some rag on his shoulder to chew on until he got over it!! lol
Ren
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Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
<< Ethan did that for a while in the 2nd grade.. He just outgrew it. but it
was
very disturbing. JP chews his shirt sleeve or collar. Hes riuns at least a
shirt a week >>
It's funny you brought up the shirt chewing thing today! My sis and I were
reminiscing about how Trevor used to ruin his shirts frequently with this
weird habit.
We talked about the difference in parenting styles then and now, that I use,
and how at that time I nagged him to stop it because I hated his shirts
getting ruined.
I decided that now, I'd see it as something he needed to do for a time, and
pin some rag on his shoulder to chew on until he got over it!! lol
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
~Arnold Lobel
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 8:24:17 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:
<< I decided that now, I'd see it as something he needed to do for a time,
and
pin some rag on his shoulder to chew on until he got over it!! lol
Both Marty and Holly chewed the centers of their t-shirts. I didn't consider
them ruined. They got over it.
<< I decided that now, I'd see it as something he needed to do for a time,
and
pin some rag on his shoulder to chew on until he got over it!! lol
>>How about a bandana around his neck? Macho AND cheap to chew!
Both Marty and Holly chewed the centers of their t-shirts. I didn't consider
them ruined. They got over it.
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 10:24:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
have noticed since hes been home ( vs at school) he is doing a lot less
chewing.. LOL. I have never made a really big deal out if it.
Occasionally, if his shirt was gettting soaked and we were not at a place he
could go change, I would try to gently encourage him to stop chewing. I pass
his clothes down to my nephew, but his shirts are mostly ruined with holes in
the neck or buttons chewed off.. He also still sucks his thumb. Its like,
unless he is really busy with his hands, he's sucking his thumb. If hes
too busy with his hands, then his shirt is in his mouth. I have basically
ignored the thumb sucking.. Its a non issue to me. The only problem is that
sometimes his thumb gets raw and cracked .. it frustrates him to have
medicine put on it cause he cant suck it. He usually just switches thumbs
til it gets better. Of course, he get comments from well meaning family
members,"When are you going to stop sucking your thumb?... Get that thumb out
of your mouth" He has learned to expect these kinds of statements and he
just makes an effort to not suck him thumb around his grandparents. My
sister sucked her thumb til she was 15.
Teresa
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> decided that now, I'd see it as something he needed to do for a time, andI have only heard of one other kid that did this shirt chewing thing. I
> pin some rag on his shoulder to chew on until he got over it!! lol
>
> Ren
>
have noticed since hes been home ( vs at school) he is doing a lot less
chewing.. LOL. I have never made a really big deal out if it.
Occasionally, if his shirt was gettting soaked and we were not at a place he
could go change, I would try to gently encourage him to stop chewing. I pass
his clothes down to my nephew, but his shirts are mostly ruined with holes in
the neck or buttons chewed off.. He also still sucks his thumb. Its like,
unless he is really busy with his hands, he's sucking his thumb. If hes
too busy with his hands, then his shirt is in his mouth. I have basically
ignored the thumb sucking.. Its a non issue to me. The only problem is that
sometimes his thumb gets raw and cracked .. it frustrates him to have
medicine put on it cause he cant suck it. He usually just switches thumbs
til it gets better. Of course, he get comments from well meaning family
members,"When are you going to stop sucking your thumb?... Get that thumb out
of your mouth" He has learned to expect these kinds of statements and he
just makes an effort to not suck him thumb around his grandparents. My
sister sucked her thumb til she was 15.
Teresa
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 11:01:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
chew on. Of course ,when he was in school, the bandana wouldnt work, they
had to wear uniforms. .. And, he did "ruin" his shirts.. I let him wear them
with ragged necks or small holes, but eventually, the whole neck or collar
would be chewed off. Yeah, they are still OK to wear to play in, but I
wouldnt hand them down to anyone .
Teresa
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> How about a bandana around his neck?That might work.. I have often tried to think of things I could give him to
chew on. Of course ,when he was in school, the bandana wouldnt work, they
had to wear uniforms. .. And, he did "ruin" his shirts.. I let him wear them
with ragged necks or small holes, but eventually, the whole neck or collar
would be chewed off. Yeah, they are still OK to wear to play in, but I
wouldnt hand them down to anyone .
Teresa
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Peggy
From: SandraDodd@...
I've heard of chewing on clothes as part of a pattern with kids with sensory
integration issues such as sensitivity to sound, need to have the labels cut
out of their clothes, can't find socks that feel good, that sort of thing. One
thing that seems to work in the winter time is turtle neck shirts.
My youngest was/is a bit like this. Fighting over it or trying to change her
by telling her since I don't feel things that way then she shouldn't seems
pretty useless. Patience and waiting for her to get a bit older seemed to work
best. And finding clothes that were really soft and all cotton. Some people
recommend hanes all cotton stuff washed a few times to make it soft.
Wonder if it is a combination of sensitivity and anxiety and that is why
getting older helps?
Peggy
> In a message dated 12/19/02 8:24:17 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:Rags pinned on shirts seems a bit humiliating to me.
>
> << I decided that now, I'd see it as something he needed to do for a time,
> and
> pin some rag on his shoulder to chew on until he got over it!! lol
> >>
>
> How about a bandana around his neck? Macho AND cheap to chew!
> Both Marty and Holly chewed the centers of their t-shirts. I didn't consider
> them ruined. They got over it.
I've heard of chewing on clothes as part of a pattern with kids with sensory
integration issues such as sensitivity to sound, need to have the labels cut
out of their clothes, can't find socks that feel good, that sort of thing. One
thing that seems to work in the winter time is turtle neck shirts.
My youngest was/is a bit like this. Fighting over it or trying to change her
by telling her since I don't feel things that way then she shouldn't seems
pretty useless. Patience and waiting for her to get a bit older seemed to work
best. And finding clothes that were really soft and all cotton. Some people
recommend hanes all cotton stuff washed a few times to make it soft.
Wonder if it is a combination of sensitivity and anxiety and that is why
getting older helps?
Peggy
Kelli Traaseth
My son has all these behaviors also, sensitivity things also, one thing that has been hard on him is he had to get glasses, bugs him to death, we'll probably get him contacts as soon as he wants them, maybe that will help.
He also has had outbursts, but they were more prevalent when he was 4 or 5, he's 9 now, and I would hold him close to me so he couldn't hurt himself or others. It seemed like my love and compassion would wash onto him. The more I could ignore and let go the things he was saying and doing the better he would respond to me, the calmer I was the calmer he would be.
He would have been alot worse if he would have been forced into doing alot of activities like other kids were, but he had more time to himself and down time--that has been very important for his development, and it gives us time to talk about dealing with emotions. Its still hard for him to stop and breath but if I just quiet the situation and kind-of remind him of our discussions it works the best.
A book we've used for dealing with emotions is Don't Rant and Rave on Wednesdays! Talks about dealing with anger, there are other books also by these authors, by Adolph Moser When I was reading this with my 9 and 8 yr olds, I didn't think my 5 yr old was listening, she was too busy to sit with us. But every so often she would walk over and look at the pictures, And she has shown me that she did hear some of it because she said the other day, "I counted, Mommy" meaning counting as her anger disappeared. It also talks about breathing and calming our bodies. I liked it.
Hope this helps,
Kelli
Peggy <peggy@...> wrote:
From: SandraDodd@...
I've heard of chewing on clothes as part of a pattern with kids with sensory
integration issues such as sensitivity to sound, need to have the labels cut
out of their clothes, can't find socks that feel good, that sort of thing. One
thing that seems to work in the winter time is turtle neck shirts.
My youngest was/is a bit like this. Fighting over it or trying to change her
by telling her since I don't feel things that way then she shouldn't seems
pretty useless. Patience and waiting for her to get a bit older seemed to work
best. And finding clothes that were really soft and all cotton. Some people
recommend hanes all cotton stuff washed a few times to make it soft.
Wonder if it is a combination of sensitivity and anxiety and that is why
getting older helps?
Peggy
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He also has had outbursts, but they were more prevalent when he was 4 or 5, he's 9 now, and I would hold him close to me so he couldn't hurt himself or others. It seemed like my love and compassion would wash onto him. The more I could ignore and let go the things he was saying and doing the better he would respond to me, the calmer I was the calmer he would be.
He would have been alot worse if he would have been forced into doing alot of activities like other kids were, but he had more time to himself and down time--that has been very important for his development, and it gives us time to talk about dealing with emotions. Its still hard for him to stop and breath but if I just quiet the situation and kind-of remind him of our discussions it works the best.
A book we've used for dealing with emotions is Don't Rant and Rave on Wednesdays! Talks about dealing with anger, there are other books also by these authors, by Adolph Moser When I was reading this with my 9 and 8 yr olds, I didn't think my 5 yr old was listening, she was too busy to sit with us. But every so often she would walk over and look at the pictures, And she has shown me that she did hear some of it because she said the other day, "I counted, Mommy" meaning counting as her anger disappeared. It also talks about breathing and calming our bodies. I liked it.
Hope this helps,
Kelli
Peggy <peggy@...> wrote:
From: SandraDodd@...
> In a message dated 12/19/02 8:24:17 AM, starsuncloud@... writes:Rags pinned on shirts seems a bit humiliating to me.
>
> << I decided that now, I'd see it as something he needed to do for a time,
> and
> pin some rag on his shoulder to chew on until he got over it!! lol
> >>
>
> How about a bandana around his neck? Macho AND cheap to chew!
> Both Marty and Holly chewed the centers of their t-shirts. I didn't consider
> them ruined. They got over it.
I've heard of chewing on clothes as part of a pattern with kids with sensory
integration issues such as sensitivity to sound, need to have the labels cut
out of their clothes, can't find socks that feel good, that sort of thing. One
thing that seems to work in the winter time is turtle neck shirts.
My youngest was/is a bit like this. Fighting over it or trying to change her
by telling her since I don't feel things that way then she shouldn't seems
pretty useless. Patience and waiting for her to get a bit older seemed to work
best. And finding clothes that were really soft and all cotton. Some people
recommend hanes all cotton stuff washed a few times to make it soft.
Wonder if it is a combination of sensitivity and anxiety and that is why
getting older helps?
Peggy
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 11:03:34 AM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< He also still sucks his thumb. Its like,
unless he is really busy with his hands, he's sucking his thumb. If hes
too busy with his hands, then his shirt is in his mouth. >>
It must have been something like this for Trevor also. He sucked his thumb
until he was around nine, maybe it was his daytime comfort when he didn't
want people to see him with a thumb? hmmmm...
The poor kid had issues from not being nursed long enough, I still feel
terrible about it.
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
~Arnold Lobel
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
<< He also still sucks his thumb. Its like,
unless he is really busy with his hands, he's sucking his thumb. If hes
too busy with his hands, then his shirt is in his mouth. >>
It must have been something like this for Trevor also. He sucked his thumb
until he was around nine, maybe it was his daytime comfort when he didn't
want people to see him with a thumb? hmmmm...
The poor kid had issues from not being nursed long enough, I still feel
terrible about it.
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
~Arnold Lobel
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 2:14:06 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Rags pinned on shirts seems a bit humiliating to me. >>
Only if you made the child do it, or had them wear it away from the house.
I was only pondering options that might save the shirt and honor the child's
need.
I think the bandana is a great one, as would be keeping cheap t-shirts around
that they like and saving a few nicer t's for when holes on the shoulder
might not go over well.
My oldest grew out of it, and my middle guy only did it for a little while,
and without the intensity of Trevors chewing.
I know other children that have done this, and they all passed through it
without too many shirts ruined!!
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
~Arnold Lobel
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
<< Rags pinned on shirts seems a bit humiliating to me. >>
Only if you made the child do it, or had them wear it away from the house.
I was only pondering options that might save the shirt and honor the child's
need.
I think the bandana is a great one, as would be keeping cheap t-shirts around
that they like and saving a few nicer t's for when holes on the shoulder
might not go over well.
My oldest grew out of it, and my middle guy only did it for a little while,
and without the intensity of Trevors chewing.
I know other children that have done this, and they all passed through it
without too many shirts ruined!!
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
~Arnold Lobel
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 2:14:06 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Wonder if it is a combination of sensitivity and anxiety and that is why
getting older helps? >>
Trevor was never sensitive over clothing or things like that. But he was
denied the ability to wean himself and I always felt that his mouth issues
were over that.
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
~Arnold Lobel
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
<< Wonder if it is a combination of sensitivity and anxiety and that is why
getting older helps? >>
Trevor was never sensitive over clothing or things like that. But he was
denied the ability to wean himself and I always felt that his mouth issues
were over that.
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
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Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
Mary Bianco
This shirt chewing thread is so funny right now to me. At my park day I
noticed two little children from the birthday party chewing on the middle of
their t shirts. I have never seen that before. And just for the record, that
would drive me absolutely nuts!!!
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noticed two little children from the birthday party chewing on the middle of
their t shirts. I have never seen that before. And just for the record, that
would drive me absolutely nuts!!!
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 4:07:23 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Tia (who believes that the unschooling police is just an urban myth) <g>
the boogeyman just waiting to pounce!! :)
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
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Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
<< Tia (who believes that the unschooling police is just an urban myth) <g>
>>Oh, I don't know about that Tia. I've been told they're out there, just like
the boogeyman just waiting to pounce!! :)
Ren
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Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/19/02 4:07:23 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
I was also a little disappointed as I have been spending a fortune on
colloidal silver to keep everyone well and it didn't work at all. I know
it's not the same but I was upset by it all snowballing at once. >>
I think colloidal silver is WAY overrated.
Here's what we've used that has worked the best for colds/flu type stuff.
Fast recovery times and if you get it in the healthy family members you can
often avoid the entire thing from spreading.
Garlic (by Kyolic usually, good brand)
Echinacea/Reishi mushroom/Astragulus blend by Nature's way
Sometimes I add Cayenne or Goldenseal tea to the regimen, and some
adidopholus to balance out the digestive trac.
I've always had good results with boosting the immune system/killing germs
this way.
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
~Arnold Lobel
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
[email protected] writes:
<<
I was also a little disappointed as I have been spending a fortune on
colloidal silver to keep everyone well and it didn't work at all. I know
it's not the same but I was upset by it all snowballing at once. >>
I think colloidal silver is WAY overrated.
Here's what we've used that has worked the best for colds/flu type stuff.
Fast recovery times and if you get it in the healthy family members you can
often avoid the entire thing from spreading.
Garlic (by Kyolic usually, good brand)
Echinacea/Reishi mushroom/Astragulus blend by Nature's way
Sometimes I add Cayenne or Goldenseal tea to the regimen, and some
adidopholus to balance out the digestive trac.
I've always had good results with boosting the immune system/killing germs
this way.
Ren
"Knowledge will not always take the place of simple observation."
~Arnold Lobel
Unschooling support at pensacolaunschoolers.com
Mary Bianco
>From: grlynbl@...<<He also still sucks his thumb. Its like, unless he is really busy with
his hands, he's sucking his thumb. If hes too busy with his hands, then
his shirt is in his mouth. I have basically ignored the thumb sucking.. Its
a non issue to me. The only problem is that
sometimes his thumb gets raw and cracked .. it frustrates him to have
medicine put on it cause he cant suck it. He usually just switches thumbs
til it gets better. Of course, he get comments from well meaning family
members,"When are you going to stop sucking your thumb?... Get that thumb
out of your mouth" He has learned to expect these kinds of statements and
he just makes an effort to not suck him thumb around his grandparents. My
sister sucked her thumb til she was 15.>>
Oh I'm glad someone brought this up. I've been meaning to ask about thumb
sucking and hadn't got around to it. My kids have all had strong sucking
needs from day one. Even my totally breastfed baby still sucks a "pasher."
My oldest sucked her fingers, my son a pacifier, my daughter her thumb and
the baby still a pacifier. My first two stopped by age 3-4 on their own. My
daughter will be 7 in Feb. and her thumb is still a big favorite. The baby
still has her pasher but that doesn't bother me as she's only 2. What I
worry about is my daughters teeth if she still sucks her thumb. The dentist
tells me she needs to stop. We've talked about it with her and I remind her
during the day when she doesn it. Usually she does it when she's relaxing
and watching tv or reading a book. When I remind her, she takes it out. She
wonders how she'll ever get to sleep if she can't suck it at night. We
talked about the stuff you put on your thumb that tastes bad and she said
for me to get it. I have yet to do so. I'm still on the fence with this.
Help, ideas and opinions welcome.
Mary B
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Shyrley
On 19 Dec 02, at 22:25, Mary Bianco wrote:
My brrod sucked thumbs n pacifiers until at least 4. In fact, middle
child would steal the baby's.
All have straight perfect teeth. Must to the dentists annoyance. he
couldn't even find cavitites on Monday and he tried really hard. Told
me it was unusual for a child to reach 10 without cavities, like I'd
done something wrong :-)
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
>Dentists aren't always right.
> Oh I'm glad someone brought this up. I've been meaning to ask about
> thumb sucking and hadn't got around to it. My kids have all had strong
> sucking needs from day one. Even my totally breastfed baby still sucks
> a "pasher." My oldest sucked her fingers, my son a pacifier, my
> daughter her thumb and the baby still a pacifier. My first two stopped
> by age 3-4 on their own. My daughter will be 7 in Feb. and her thumb
> is still a big favorite. The baby still has her pasher but that
> doesn't bother me as she's only 2. What I worry about is my daughters
> teeth if she still sucks her thumb. The dentist tells me she needs to
> stop. We've talked about it with her and I remind her during the day
> when she doesn it. Usually she does it when she's relaxing and
> watching tv or reading a book. When I remind her, she takes it out.
> She wonders how she'll ever get to sleep if she can't suck it at
> night. We talked about the stuff you put on your thumb that tastes bad
> and she said for me to get it. I have yet to do so. I'm still on the
> fence with this.
>
> Help, ideas and opinions welcome.
>
> Mary B
>
My brrod sucked thumbs n pacifiers until at least 4. In fact, middle
child would steal the baby's.
All have straight perfect teeth. Must to the dentists annoyance. he
couldn't even find cavitites on Monday and he tried really hard. Told
me it was unusual for a child to reach 10 without cavities, like I'd
done something wrong :-)
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
Shyrley
On 19 Dec 02, at 22:14, Mary Bianco wrote:
at the start of term and by the second week their uniforms looked
like moths had been at them.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
> This shirt chewing thread is so funny right now to me. At my park dayBoth my boys ate clothes. I would buy them new school sweaters
> I noticed two little children from the birthday party chewing on the
> middle of their t shirts. I have never seen that before. And just for
> the record, that would drive me absolutely nuts!!!
>
> Mary B
>
at the start of term and by the second week their uniforms looked
like moths had been at them.
Shyrley
"You laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you are all the same."
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A friend of ours is 20 now. She was an only child. She was still sucking
her thumb at 15. She used to hold her other hand over it, or hold a book in
front of her face.
She's beautiful, her teeth are fine, the only thing that wasn't fine was
people making fun of her.
She doesn't smoke cigarettes, she doesn't use drugs, she doesn't drink
alcohol.
If every cigarette smoker would start sucking his thumb instead, the world
would be a better place.
I say leave them alone, after pointing out to them that most people will not
be kind about it. If they complain that someone was mean to them, you could
say "That will probably keep happening as long as you're sucking your thumb.
You could stop, or you could just deal with the wisecracks."
That is a case of natural consequences.
Sandra
her thumb at 15. She used to hold her other hand over it, or hold a book in
front of her face.
She's beautiful, her teeth are fine, the only thing that wasn't fine was
people making fun of her.
She doesn't smoke cigarettes, she doesn't use drugs, she doesn't drink
alcohol.
If every cigarette smoker would start sucking his thumb instead, the world
would be a better place.
I say leave them alone, after pointing out to them that most people will not
be kind about it. If they complain that someone was mean to them, you could
say "That will probably keep happening as long as you're sucking your thumb.
You could stop, or you could just deal with the wisecracks."
That is a case of natural consequences.
Sandra
Betsy
**If every cigarette smoker would start sucking his thumb instead, the
world
would be a better place.**
... but film noir would look so different!!!
Betsy
world
would be a better place.**
... but film noir would look so different!!!
Betsy
Cathy Hilde
I know a lot of shirt chewers. I have seen and heard that replacing the
chewing thing is the best route to go and straws seem to work very well.
Just ordinary drinking straws. They are *socially appropriate* and seem to
satisfy the craving. I also believe that it is nearly always sensory
related.
For those of you who suspect sensory difficulties in other areas with your
kids I was just steered to a web site that had some good information.
Cathy
www.neurolearning.com
I have only heard of one other kid that did this shirt chewing thing. I
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chewing thing is the best route to go and straws seem to work very well.
Just ordinary drinking straws. They are *socially appropriate* and seem to
satisfy the craving. I also believe that it is nearly always sensory
related.
For those of you who suspect sensory difficulties in other areas with your
kids I was just steered to a web site that had some good information.
Cathy
www.neurolearning.com
I have only heard of one other kid that did this shirt chewing thing. I
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Mary Bianco
>From: "Shyrley" <shyrley.williams@...><<Dentists aren't always right.
My brrod sucked thumbs n pacifiers until at least 4. In fact, middle
child would steal the baby's.
All have straight perfect teeth. Must to the dentists annoyance. he
couldn't even find cavitites on Monday and he tried really hard. Told
me it was unusual for a child to reach 10 without cavities, like I'd
done something wrong :-)>>
No I know dentists aren't always right. But 4 doesn't seem to be a problem
for me, permanent teeth aren't coming in yet. Sierra is just about 7 and
still sucking. Her teeth are all crowded in there as it is. I had to have
permanent teeth pulled as I had no room. Go figure with my big mouth and
all. My teeth are great. Only one cavity. Good strong teeth. I have awful
gums. I'm on drugs right now because of it. I'm also in pain. My husband has
awful teeth. Just awful....but great gums. My kids have to worry either way.
I take them to the dentist religiously for check ups and cleanings. I'll
pound it into them if I have to so they don't end up like my husband and I
now. (okay not really pound. :)
I had braces and my oldest had braces, I guess it happens no matter what.
BUT, I just worry about being able to prevent some of the crap they'll have
to deal with later now.
I guess I feel like if I can try to break the habit, I'll save them some
discomfort or baloney later on.
Still on the fence Mary B
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In a message dated 12/19/2002 9:24:41 AM Central Standard Time,
starsuncloud@... writes:
or something? (I know I did.)
Personally, I think it's teething. My 9 yo has only lost 6 baby teeth, and
they didn't start falling out until he was 8 1/2. About the time he started
chewing his shirts.
Tuck
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starsuncloud@... writes:
> It's funny you brought up the shirt chewing thing today! My sis and I wereMy 18 and 20 yos did it, and now my 9 yo is. Maybe girls chew on their hair
> reminiscing about how Trevor used to ruin his shirts frequently with this
> weird habit.
> We talked about the difference in parenting styles then and now, that I
> use,
> and how at that time I nagged him to stop it because I hated his shirts
> getting ruined.
> I decided that now, I'd see it as something he needed to do for a time, and
>
> pin some rag on his shoulder to chew on until he got over it!! lol
>
or something? (I know I did.)
Personally, I think it's teething. My 9 yo has only lost 6 baby teeth, and
they didn't start falling out until he was 8 1/2. About the time he started
chewing his shirts.
Tuck
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Rachel Ann
Shirt chewing just leads to holey shirts. Hair chewing can lead to problems
if the hair is swallowed, as in hair balls and blocked intenstines etc.
Just something I picked up who knows where...
be well,
Rachel Ann
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From: [email protected]
Date: Friday, December 20, 2002 09:20:00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] kids and behavior
**My 18 and 20 yos did it, and now my 9 yo is. Maybe girls chew on
their hair
or something? (I know I did.)**
I was a hair chewer! It bugged my dad, so he cut my hair one weekend.
My son was a shirt chewer around the age of 6 or 7. Now at 8 he hasn't
done it for a long while. I think he out grew it! I did try not to
pester him about it as I didn't want to increase his anxiety.
Betsy
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if the hair is swallowed, as in hair balls and blocked intenstines etc.
Just something I picked up who knows where...
be well,
Rachel Ann
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Date: Friday, December 20, 2002 09:20:00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] kids and behavior
**My 18 and 20 yos did it, and now my 9 yo is. Maybe girls chew on
their hair
or something? (I know I did.)**
I was a hair chewer! It bugged my dad, so he cut my hair one weekend.
My son was a shirt chewer around the age of 6 or 7. Now at 8 he hasn't
done it for a long while. I think he out grew it! I did try not to
pester him about it as I didn't want to increase his anxiety.
Betsy
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Betsy
**My 18 and 20 yos did it, and now my 9 yo is. Maybe girls chew on
their hair
or something? (I know I did.)**
I was a hair chewer! It bugged my dad, so he cut my hair one weekend.
My son was a shirt chewer around the age of 6 or 7. Now at 8 he hasn't
done it for a long while. I think he out grew it! I did try not to
pester him about it as I didn't want to increase his anxiety.
Betsy
their hair
or something? (I know I did.)**
I was a hair chewer! It bugged my dad, so he cut my hair one weekend.
My son was a shirt chewer around the age of 6 or 7. Now at 8 he hasn't
done it for a long while. I think he out grew it! I did try not to
pester him about it as I didn't want to increase his anxiety.
Betsy
[email protected]
In a message dated 12/20/02 7:25:07 AM, hindar@... writes:
<< Hair chewing can lead to problems
if the hair is swallowed, as in hair balls and blocked intenstines etc. >>
Yeah, if you're a CAT!
I don't think people develp hair balls.
I could be wrong.
Sandra
<< Hair chewing can lead to problems
if the hair is swallowed, as in hair balls and blocked intenstines etc. >>
Yeah, if you're a CAT!
I don't think people develp hair balls.
I could be wrong.
Sandra
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In a message dated 12/20/02 9:39:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
was removed from the stomach of a 12 year old girl who ate her hair. It's a
"psychological condition" They have all kinds of great groovy gross stuff.
Perfect for those scab-picking types.
You should come here and see the wacky stuff.
Like bits of Lincoln's brain with the bullet that was inside his head.
Elissa
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Yeah, if you're a CAT!THere is a HUGE hairball in the Walter Reed Army Medicval Center Museum that
> I don't think people develp hair balls.
> I could be wrong.
>
> Sandra
>
>
was removed from the stomach of a 12 year old girl who ate her hair. It's a
"psychological condition" They have all kinds of great groovy gross stuff.
Perfect for those scab-picking types.
You should come here and see the wacky stuff.
Like bits of Lincoln's brain with the bullet that was inside his head.
Elissa
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Rachel Ann
For reasons known only to G-d and Yahoo, I didn't receive Sandra's post on
this topic, but the reply to it...
Here's what I found searching the net....
http://www.irishlace.net/trichlibrary/faq/keepyourhairon.html
http://neurosurgery.mgh.harvard.edu/fellows/qureshi/Trichobezoar.htm
don't want to read too much because I have a weak stomach for some things,
and it is just a warning to mention to your child if they have that habit.
It is fairly uncommon however...
be well,
Rachel Ann
-------Original Message-------
From: [email protected]
Date: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:03:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] kids and behavior
In a message dated 12/20/02 9:39:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
was removed from the stomach of a 12 year old girl who ate her hair. It's a
"psychological condition" They have all kinds of great groovy gross stuff.
Perfect for those scab-picking types.
You should come here and see the wacky stuff.
Like bits of Lincoln's brain with the bullet that was inside his head.
Elissa
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this topic, but the reply to it...
Here's what I found searching the net....
http://www.irishlace.net/trichlibrary/faq/keepyourhairon.html
http://neurosurgery.mgh.harvard.edu/fellows/qureshi/Trichobezoar.htm
don't want to read too much because I have a weak stomach for some things,
and it is just a warning to mention to your child if they have that habit.
It is fairly uncommon however...
be well,
Rachel Ann
-------Original Message-------
From: [email protected]
Date: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:03:02
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] kids and behavior
In a message dated 12/20/02 9:39:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
> Yeah, if you're a CAT!THere is a HUGE hairball in the Walter Reed Army Medicval Center Museum that
> I don't think people develp hair balls.
> I could be wrong.
>
> Sandra
>
>
was removed from the stomach of a 12 year old girl who ate her hair. It's a
"psychological condition" They have all kinds of great groovy gross stuff.
Perfect for those scab-picking types.
You should come here and see the wacky stuff.
Like bits of Lincoln's brain with the bullet that was inside his head.
Elissa
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