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This list seems to be the place to get expert advice on this topic
lately. Rain broke two bones in her arm today, falling off a scooter
after one of her clogs came off her feet and got under a wheel. I wasn't
there, although I arrived to pick her up a few minutes after it happened.

It was a miserable afternoon in the ER, although she doesn't remember
them setting the fracture because she was on Versed, and they were pretty
good about painkillers there. Now she's home and on Tylenol 3, which
doesn't seem to be doing much for her. She took 50 mg of benedryl a
couple of years ago after three bee stings and didn't fall asleep, so I'm
thinking she has a pretty high tolerance to stuff. I gave her more than
they said to and she finally fell asleep...

They put something on her arm that's not a real cast, and she has to go
in next week for that part. The orthopedic surgeon said that they rarely
put casts on in emergency rooms now because after the swelling goes down
they don't fit tightly enough. We don't have any insurance, which sucks.

I've gone around with her one those clogs for over a year now. I hate
'em, and every time she wears them to go bike riding or stilting or
scootering I try to get her to change to a sneaker type shoe, and she
does... but this was at a friend's house, and a whole gruop of kids were
messing around outside, and she's never very careful and she's frequently
getting hurt. If there's a group of kids and one gets stung by a bee or
falls out of a boat or falls down a cliff, it's her... not because she's
clumsy, but because she's gung-ho on doing everything and not especially
careful. She doesn't generally mind bumps and bruises... She started
walking a day or two after she turned 8 months old, and it was running,
not walking, and she wasn't very good at it to start off and I wish she'd
waited a few months.

Anyway, I have not said anything to her about wearing the clogs and
scootering, but I can't help thinking it. I know she doesn't need me to
say I told you so, but I wish I could have convinced her that this was a
bad idea before this happened. I did try... and I know I need to just let
it go, but I had to say it to someone.

So, if anyone with broken bones (current or past) has any ideas on how to
help her feel better, or help her manage live one-armed, or medications I
should ask for (I have fioricet for my migaines, which I'm tempted to
give her next time) I'd love to hear them.

My mom died a year and a day ago, in a hospital with an IV and monitors
and oxygen prongs in her nose... and Rain and I were both a little
freaked out today when she had all the same stuff (when they reduced the
fracture they had to get her really drugged out - the radius was broken
and also out of place, the ulna was just broken). She mentioned that it
was like grandma... and I knew she wasn't going to die but it was scary
just the same.

We had planned to go visit another friend this afternoon, and all during
the hours at the ER she told people she was going to her friend Hannah's
house next, whenever they talked about her going home soon. And we did
stop at Hannah's, although she was so drugged she fell asleep sitting on
their couch and we left after 10 minutes or so... but she did it.

Anyway, it's been quite a day.

Dar

Kelli Traaseth

Sorry for your hard day, and for Rain. My 8dd, also loves her clogs and she does all the activities with them too. I'll maybe tell her about this.

I don't have advice on pain relievers, but I'm sure there will be others here that can help.

I just wanted to send you and your family comforting thoughts.

Take Care,
Kelli

freeform@... wrote:This list seems to be the place to get expert advice on this topic
lately. Rain broke two bones in her arm today, falling off a scooter
after one of her clogs came off her feet and got under a wheel. I wasn't
there, although I arrived to pick her up a few minutes after it happened.

It was a miserable afternoon in the ER, although she doesn't remember
them setting the fracture because she was on Versed, and they were pretty
good about painkillers there. Now she's home and on Tylenol 3, which
doesn't seem to be doing much for her. She took 50 mg of benedryl a
couple of years ago after three bee stings and didn't fall asleep, so I'm
thinking she has a pretty high tolerance to stuff. I gave her more than
they said to and she finally fell asleep...

They put something on her arm that's not a real cast, and she has to go
in next week for that part. The orthopedic surgeon said that they rarely
put casts on in emergency rooms now because after the swelling goes down
they don't fit tightly enough. We don't have any insurance, which sucks.

I've gone around with her one those clogs for over a year now. I hate
'em, and every time she wears them to go bike riding or stilting or
scootering I try to get her to change to a sneaker type shoe, and she
does... but this was at a friend's house, and a whole gruop of kids were
messing around outside, and she's never very careful and she's frequently
getting hurt. If there's a group of kids and one gets stung by a bee or
falls out of a boat or falls down a cliff, it's her... not because she's
clumsy, but because she's gung-ho on doing everything and not especially
careful. She doesn't generally mind bumps and bruises... She started
walking a day or two after she turned 8 months old, and it was running,
not walking, and she wasn't very good at it to start off and I wish she'd
waited a few months.

Anyway, I have not said anything to her about wearing the clogs and
scootering, but I can't help thinking it. I know she doesn't need me to
say I told you so, but I wish I could have convinced her that this was a
bad idea before this happened. I did try... and I know I need to just let
it go, but I had to say it to someone.

So, if anyone with broken bones (current or past) has any ideas on how to
help her feel better, or help her manage live one-armed, or medications I
should ask for (I have fioricet for my migaines, which I'm tempted to
give her next time) I'd love to hear them.

My mom died a year and a day ago, in a hospital with an IV and monitors
and oxygen prongs in her nose... and Rain and I were both a little
freaked out today when she had all the same stuff (when they reduced the
fracture they had to get her really drugged out - the radius was broken
and also out of place, the ulna was just broken). She mentioned that it
was like grandma... and I knew she wasn't going to die but it was scary
just the same.

We had planned to go visit another friend this afternoon, and all during
the hours at the ER she told people she was going to her friend Hannah's
house next, whenever they talked about her going home soon. And we did
stop at Hannah's, although she was so drugged she fell asleep sitting on
their couch and we left after 10 minutes or so... but she did it.

Anyway, it's been quite a day.

Dar

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Sorry to hear about Rain. Hope she's feeling better soon.
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>From: freeform@...
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>CC: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Broken bones...
>Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:08:57 -0800
>
>This list seems to be the place to get expert advice on this topic
>lately. Rain broke two bones in her arm today, falling off a scooter
>after one of her clogs came off her feet and got under a wheel. I wasn't
>there, although I arrived to pick her up a few minutes after it happened.
>
>It was a miserable afternoon in the ER, although she doesn't remember
>them setting the fracture because she was on Versed, and they were pretty
>good about painkillers there. Now she's home and on Tylenol 3, which
>doesn't seem to be doing much for her. She took 50 mg of benedryl a
>couple of years ago after three bee stings and didn't fall asleep, so I'm
>thinking she has a pretty high tolerance to stuff. I gave her more than
>they said to and she finally fell asleep...
>
>They put something on her arm that's not a real cast, and she has to go
>in next week for that part. The orthopedic surgeon said that they rarely
>put casts on in emergency rooms now because after the swelling goes down
>they don't fit tightly enough. We don't have any insurance, which sucks.
>
>I've gone around with her one those clogs for over a year now. I hate
>'em, and every time she wears them to go bike riding or stilting or
>scootering I try to get her to change to a sneaker type shoe, and she
>does... but this was at a friend's house, and a whole gruop of kids were
>messing around outside, and she's never very careful and she's frequently
>getting hurt. If there's a group of kids and one gets stung by a bee or
>falls out of a boat or falls down a cliff, it's her... not because she's
>clumsy, but because she's gung-ho on doing everything and not especially
>careful. She doesn't generally mind bumps and bruises... She started
>walking a day or two after she turned 8 months old, and it was running,
>not walking, and she wasn't very good at it to start off and I wish she'd
>waited a few months.
>
>Anyway, I have not said anything to her about wearing the clogs and
>scootering, but I can't help thinking it. I know she doesn't need me to
>say I told you so, but I wish I could have convinced her that this was a
>bad idea before this happened. I did try... and I know I need to just let
>it go, but I had to say it to someone.
>
>So, if anyone with broken bones (current or past) has any ideas on how to
>help her feel better, or help her manage live one-armed, or medications I
>should ask for (I have fioricet for my migaines, which I'm tempted to
>give her next time) I'd love to hear them.
>
>My mom died a year and a day ago, in a hospital with an IV and monitors
>and oxygen prongs in her nose... and Rain and I were both a little
>freaked out today when she had all the same stuff (when they reduced the
>fracture they had to get her really drugged out - the radius was broken
>and also out of place, the ulna was just broken). She mentioned that it
>was like grandma... and I knew she wasn't going to die but it was scary
>just the same.
>
>We had planned to go visit another friend this afternoon, and all during
>the hours at the ER she told people she was going to her friend Hannah's
>house next, whenever they talked about her going home soon. And we did
>stop at Hannah's, although she was so drugged she fell asleep sitting on
>their couch and we left after 10 minutes or so... but she did it.
>
>Anyway, it's been quite a day.
>
>Dar


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Dar -

I can't tell you how sorry I am to hear about Rain's broken arm.

About the pain. If the medication isn't working, call and ask for something
else. Don't wait. I put up with morphine for way too long. Not all
medication works for everyone. The only thing morphine did for me was make
me loopy and vomit. Keep trying different meds until you discover one that
works.

About the clogs. I am a clog freak now. I fell down the stairs wearing
them. Every time I see a friend wearing them, I yell at them. While you can
train yourself to grip your toes for better traction, they are still
dangerous. I'm very opinionated about it.

About the insurance. I hope you didn't need surgery, doesn't' sound like it
if you came home already. My three days in the hospital were $18,000. No
idea what the surgery cost. Yikes. But we have complete coverage. Work out
a payment plan.

About your Mom. We had the same problem with the kids as my father in law
died last April. They were afraid to visit me because of that, afraid I was
going to die. My three year old said, happily, as she walked in "You died
yesterday Mama, but you are ok now." Last night my four year old drew
pictures of his Grandpa's hospital room, with Grandpa in the bed and my
hospital room with me in the bed. The children will learn that not all
people will die in the hospital. But it's still scary. My own father
freaked when he walked into the ER and saw me on heart monitors. My Mom had
heart surgery this summer.

I think she'll learn how to adapt to one armedness better than an adult
would. And she'll probably listen to her own body better than adults would,
too.

It really sucks for both of you. I hope her time in the cast is limited. I
had two casts too because of the swelling. And one full week after the
second one was removed, my blister wounds (from swelling) are still not
healed.

Hugs to you both.

Elizabeth


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Karin

freeform@...

> This list seems to be the place to get expert advice on this topic
> lately. Rain broke two bones in her arm today, falling off a scooter
> after one of her clogs came off her feet and got under a wheel. I wasn't
> there, although I arrived to pick her up a few minutes after it happened.


So sorry to hear that Rain broke her arm, Dar, and all the other bad stuff,
too (like no insurance - OUCH).
Hope you can both help each other through this, and that she feels better
soon.
I think I would at least remind her next time she wears clogs to do any
physical activity that she may want to change her shoes. OR, maybe she'll
just do it herself from now on. ;-)

Take Care~

Karin

[email protected]

I've never had a broken arm. Keith has, but he's Mr. Stoic.

One of the hardest things, I've heard, is butt-wiping, and so if that's not
going well, there is some stuff called Balneol, at Walgreen's, and it's a
little plastic bottle of stuff to use if that area's irritated. You use
just a tiny bit, on a cotton ball, or on toilet paper (though you're more
likely to "miss" or lose it that way), and it VERY gently cleans the area.
Use that after paper wiping, or once a day to be sure. If she can't stand
having someone help her, maybeyou could just load a cotton ball and leave it
and she can use that last.

If you tell the doctor she's in pain, he should find something to give her.

For distraction, I always recommend videos. When I was first home with that
leg hurting, sometimes suddenly, sometimes constantly, a movie would make two
hours pass. Or three and a half, in the case of the extended Fellowship of
the Ring DVD.

I broke my leg the year before I had Kirby and we didn't have insurance. We
had had, until Keith graduated from UNM in May. I broke it in July, before
he got a job. We made $50 payments until it was paid off.

I'm altogether sorry to hear about it happening. Clogs... I doubt you'll
have to reason with her in future about how sneakers are safer. She'll
probably remind all her friends.

Sandra

the_clevengers <[email protected]>

--- In [email protected], freeform@j... wrote:
> This list seems to be the place to get expert advice on this topic
> lately. Rain broke two bones in her arm today, falling off a scooter
> after one of her clogs came off her feet and got under a wheel. I
wasn't
> there, although I arrived to pick her up a few minutes after it
happened.

((((((both of you))))) That's no fun!

> messing around outside, and she's never very careful and she's
frequently
> getting hurt. If there's a group of kids and one gets stung by a
bee or
> falls out of a boat or falls down a cliff, it's her... not because
she's
> clumsy, but because she's gung-ho on doing everything and not
especially
> careful.


Oh, this is so *me*, as a child and even now. I've had 13 or so
broken bones and over 300 stitches, most of them as a kid and young
teen. Don't expect it to end any time soon. When I was old enough to
outgrow scooters, I took up things like motorcycles and skydiving. I
think my mom's finally used to it now :-)


> Anyway, I have not said anything to her about wearing the clogs and
> scootering, but I can't help thinking it. I know she doesn't need
me to
> say I told you so, but I wish I could have convinced her that this
was a
> bad idea before this happened. I did try... and I know I need to
just let
> it go, but I had to say it to someone.


Yep, you're right on the money with that one. Wish I had a penny for
every time my parents told me I really should be wearing shoes. And
yet I still don't, though I've had pieces of glass, large needles,
and a big sharp hunk of metal removed from my feet at various times.
You think I'd learn, but I don't, and I still love to go barefoot.
Stepped on a tack the other day, too. Dang, that hurt ;-)
I always tell people this story when they still believe that kids
will learn from "natural consequences". Some of us never do! But vent
away here all you want. I'm sure my folks sometimes just didn't know
what to do with me.


> So, if anyone with broken bones (current or past) has any ideas on
how to
> help her feel better, or help her manage live one-armed, or
medications I
> should ask for (I have fioricet for my migaines, which I'm tempted
to
> give her next time) I'd love to hear them.


I'd suggest Homeopathic Arnica for any tissue bruising that occurred
around the break. Also, if she has to take a shower with a cast on,
never, NEVER use a breadbag unless you've emptied the crumbs out of
it first! Learned that one the hard way, LOL. Had 3 weeks left with
those crumbs in my cast, and boy that itched!

Also, try (if you can) not to let her push the limits when she has
the cast on. I did all kinds of things I shouldn't have done with my
cast on when I dislocated my wrist, and it never did heal properly.
Broken bones probably set a little bit better than a dislocation, but
still she should try to take it easy. Tell her to take it easy from
someone who has BTDT. After that, I learned, and the rest of mine set
up better.

> Anyway, it's been quite a day.

Sounds like it! Many hugs to you both. And speedy healing to her!

Blue Skies,

-Robin-
> Dar

Lisa Blocker

We found that a really large size rubber kitchen glove works great for covering an arm cast (when MY child hit a rock on her scooter and broke her wrist and thumb) Just buy the largest size and use medical tape to seal it around the arm above the cast!
Lisa B (who is new and hasn't posted before!)


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I'm way behind - we just had a day and a half power outage so I couldn't
read email and had to muddle through all by myself... but thanks to
everyone who replied, off and on list. I'm sure I'll have more comments
and questions but it felt rude to post that whole mess and then not say
anything for 2 days, so I wanted to explain.

It's been raining in sheets here, cold and windy, so I think right now
I'm going to just snuggle up with hot cocoa and watch The Practice with
Rain...

Dar

Kelli Traaseth

Dar,

I woke up this a.m. thinking about Rain.

How are things going? Did you find something to help the pain?

Hope all is well,

Kelli

freeform@... wrote:I'm way behind - we just had a day and a half power outage so I couldn't
read email and had to muddle through all by myself... but thanks to
everyone who replied, off and on list. I'm sure I'll have more comments
and questions but it felt rude to post that whole mess and then not say
anything for 2 days, so I wanted to explain.

It's been raining in sheets here, cold and windy, so I think right now
I'm going to just snuggle up with hot cocoa and watch The Practice with
Rain...

Dar

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:54:52 -0800 (PST) Kelli Traaseth
<kellitraas@...> writes:
> I woke up this a.m. thinking about Rain.
>
> How are things going? Did you find something to help the pain?

Thanks for asking. She's doing much better now, it was really just the
first 24 hours that were so painful. She's taking one or two tylenol 3 a
day and they seem to be enough, she's bopping around like her usual
.bouncy self. She got her cast on Monday, very purple, so she's spent
the last two days collecting signatures. A note to anyone who ever gets a
dark colored cast - the only pen that shows up is a silver sharpie, we
carry them with us...

The power has been on and off but we've now had 24 continuous hours of
electricity and I'm starting to feel, if not caught up, then at least
less behind. Of course, we're leaving tomorrow to spend a week in Tucson
with my family, including the sister I'm feuding with, and we'll get to
meet my dad's new girlfriend, who just happens to be my sister's
boyfriend's mother...

Oh, and I acquired a third-hand palm pilot from a friend and we've been
having a lot of fun with it - Rain discovered all of the games and has
been mastering them, and I've been making lists that I then never look at
(okay, I play the games too). When the power was out, the palm was our
only operational timepiece...

Rain is getting a GBA from my dad for Christmas (and I'm getting a
laptop... and we got him a plastic banana slug, among other things) and
she's been so happy with the palm games, I imagine she'll love it. I just
found some old emails I'd found and saved with game recommendations,
too... this is such a darn useful list.

Dar, off to read email...